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And lots more sales. :P
Sounds to me like the notorious GM sponge pedal. No it has great brakes:from Automotive.com and others.
One of the attributes we like best about the Sky is its powerful, progressive braking, with very little slop at the top of the pedal before deceleration starts. These are big discs brakes for such a small car, and they work very well and very consistently.
Did not seem that anything was useless. If you are in market for that size and configuration car then it behooves to read all input with an open mind. I did not see any off-topic info such as on the state of war in mideast, football, movies, etc.
Don't know what was considered useless, perhaps some might think the info on pink Cadillacs and Mary Kaye. However, that was enlightening for those who might be offended by paying a large amount for a "luxury" auto and not knowing but someday seeing one of those pink cars parked in same lot as their new DTS. If I had not known about pink Caddies and spend lots of dough on an elegant color suiting that sedan, I would be offended. I would think that "my" DTS was diminished by that offensive pink car.
Just what was useless in Edmunds article?
Not sure what is unclear on pricing. go to the GMC website and use the build your own method to get the exact MSRP of the vehicle you want. How more clear can that be?
If you are looking at the vehicle it is against the law to remove the window sticker with the price until sold.
I'm looking to escalate this problem to a director of customer service but I'm getting stalled by the reps who refuse to give me an address or even a name.
I have used the Search function here but as far as I can tell there has been no discussion started regarding this subject.
Can anyone tell me if they have a mailing address or email for the VP or Director of Customer Service/Relations? I've searched the company website but can only find the president's name.
Has anyone else experienced problems recieving the monthly diagnostics with their Buick?
For Honda, there are a lot of buyers out there, so is the information on the price. Not for GM. For example, on this forum, folks are talking about MSRP for their GMC Acadia. If GM can always do MSRP, I don't think there will be this topic "Wanting them to succeed". Get real!
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For Honda, there are a lot of buyers out there, so is the information on the price. Not for GM. For example, on this forum, folks are talking about MSRP for their GMC Acadia. If GM can always do MSRP, I don't think there will be this topic "Wanting them to succeed". Get real!
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Normally the real selling price is negotiated with the dealer, the only exception I am aware of is Saturn.
As far as I know all other manufacturers; Honda, Toyota, Chevrolet, GMC, etc. set an MSRP from the factory and then the dealer sets the actual selling price. Cars in demand usually get close to MSRP, those that are not get less.
Does anyone know what I am missing? There are specific forums here where you can go to find what some have actually negotiated with the dealer.
here is the Pilot forum on pricing:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef0e959/0
here is one on Accord and someone got more than $4000 off MSRP.
servlet_us, "Honda Accord: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #14245, 15 Mar 2007 10:30 pm
GM prices have firmed a bit compared to last year. If you are buying a vehicle which is not too gas efficient, the current run-up in gas prices should help. By summer the gas prices should lower SUV prices even more. Right now, with over $3 per gallon gas, on SUVs I would expect to pay UNDER the Intellichoice price.
Loren
I think Saturn is running $1,500 off total discount on Aura. Edmund's is pretty good at posting discounts. There is a link for Incentives & Rebates on the Edmund's site. So much help for people on the Net these days. Really is great. Like you said, you gotta do the dealing with the dealer yourself on cars. It can be a good challenge. Then you claim to have won the battle, yet deep down you know the dealership is never giving away product. Why would they. Its all in the game.
Loren
Now GM is begging the President and congress for help. Maybe it's because more than 50% of the members of congress drive large SUV's.
Come on GM grow up and make the changes.
Flex fuels like ethanol is not a cure all. We tried that in 1974 & 1975. It didn't work then and not going to work now.
Take a look at Europe!
What, diesel? Scooters? Ultra micro cars? We here in the U.S. live a different lifestyle than they do. They have mass transit that puts us to shame! We like to do things that require a bigger car or an SUV like boating and RVing. I suppose you think we should try right hand drive too.
Ethanol may not be the cure all, but I think we'd do OK with a mix of 1/3 ethanol, 1/3 regular gasoline, and 1/3 gasoline produced from coal, an abundant source in this country, which could be made at a cost of about $40-45 a barrel. Diesel I could live with.
Ethanol is a different story. There is nothing wrong with running it in a car that's built for it but ethanol from corn is just a subsidy grab by large agricultural interests. It is not economically viable so the government both subsidizes corn (which will raise the price for feed and consumer corn as well) and they put a tax on imported ethanol.
Right now both the subsidy and the import tax are in full force.
If we tried to install a transit system to match Europe it would break us. Europe proper is not that large.
Yes I have an RV and boat but people in Europe do too. There are some pretty nice boats on the Mediterranean.
By the way. Right hand drive is in the British Isles.
To grow corn costs more than it helps and the cars get less mileage using ethanol.
Diesel is not the only answer, but, right now, it will cut down on the US demand for fuel.....
$350 a year!!?? I'm 51, and pay over $300 a month with a $5k yearly deductible. Sounds like eating steak to me
I put in 20 years at a nasty glass factory, and they went bankrupt. Eventually the "legally" funded retirement plan went bankrupt and the PBGC took it over. When I retire I'll get reduced $ and no medical, so no matter what, I hope the UAW does what it has to to protect the retirement fund. Look how United Air Lines dumped off their folks 2x in bankruptcy :mad: Shoulda let 'em go under IMHO, all they did was shift the burden to us taxpayers while punishing the airlines that DIDN'T screw their peeps.
Nothing against the UAW, just hope they can swallow some pride. They ate like kings during the good years (as did management) but there never seemed to be the ability to adjust downward during bad times. At my house, when I bring less in, I spend less. Of course I expect the same from management.
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I have a date for your 17 year old daughter. He's spent a year in prison, but that was only after he was released from the psychiatric therapy clinic. Don't let the fact that he has tattoes all over his body upset you. Now for the rest of the description...
Same idea, xrunner.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Not sure what the heading to this thread is suppose to imply, or be asking?
Loren
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at GM headquarters. GM really needs to reinvent itself. What it's done in the past obviously isn't working. What it looks like it's trying (style over substance) is only a stopgap. Chrysler tried it in the late 80's and early 90's. They built cars that looked good/great, but that were lacking in refinement and reliability.
For a couple of years, great styling will move some cars. After the first few years, the design stops drawing stares and the fashonista's move on. Witness the PT cruiser and VW bug.
Honda and Toyota are known for so-so looking designs, but benchmarks for design, refinement, and reliability. That's why they move millions of Camry's and Accords year in and year out.
Rocky
Sure the UAW, will have to make some sacrifices but roll over and die they shouldn't.
Rocky
GM may never be larger in North America, but there is room to expand in other countries. Smaller doesn't mean it can not be stronger right here in USA.
Loren
I don't know which direction we are headed Loren ? I honestly feel politics of 08' will determine the future and where we are headed good or bad.
Rocky
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This is ridiculous. No one knew the price of gas was going to skyrocket in 2005, not even Toyota. I think its important to consider that it takes years to develop new products and you cannot change plans overnight once fuel prices went up.
Toyota and Nissan have full truck/SUV lineups and have shown no signs of backing off those segments and yet people act like only domestic automakers are peddling large vehicles. If Toyota knew so much about gas prices why did they have a large gas guzzling pickup in development? why are they about to launch a new LX470 and Land Cruiser?
Last time I checked the Big 2.5 have asked congress for money to develop battery technology and improve ethanol distrubution. That isnt exactly what I would call a bailout.
Have you been in any of the latest models from GM (new in last 3 years)? Refinement is pretty much even with Honda/Toyota and even better in some segments. Yes, we can argue about soft plastic vs. hard and DOHC vs. not but overall GM is even with fits/gaps/quietness and pretty much everything.
Reliability is pretty much even with GM vs. Honda/Toyota. The "place" in the data bounces back and forth among GM and Toyota/Honda every year and the problems per vehicle are now so low it is a matter of 1 problem or 2 problems per car. Just not much difference anymore.
example: JD Power 2006 3 year dependibility:
problems per hundred cars
Buick 151 pph
Cadillac 163 pph
Toyota 179 problems
Honda 194 pph
Industry average 227
Pontiac 232 pph
GMC 239
Chevrolet 241
In the midsize market GM bested the vaunted Camry/Addord!
And these are on cars that are 3 years old and GM has said and the data shows that the newer models are being built even better.
For initial quality (after 3 months of ownership) the differences are even smaller. Best in class is 91 (Porsche) with an industry average of 124 pph. Not even worth talking about anymore EXCEPT it shows that the future of these latest models is one of great dependiblity.
problems per hundred cars
Buick 151 pph
Cadillac 163 pph
Toyota 179 problems
Honda 194 pph
Industry average 227
Pontiac 232 pph
GMC 239
Chevrolet 241
In the midsize market GM bested the vaunted Camry/Addord!
If GM's midsizers outscored the Camry and Accord, what pulled Pontiac and Chevy down into the 200s?
Do not know. I no longer have access to individual vehicle data. JD Power only publish quantitative data by division (Chevrolet, Toyota, etc). They then list the top 3 in each segment and in the midsize GM made the top 3 and Honda/Accord did not make it.
BUT, I do know that for Chevrolet the old model trucks (built 3 years ago) were not world class, in fact were below the industry average. So I would say those old trucks brought down the Chevrolet average since they make up a huge percentage of Chevrolet sales.
At Pontiac? Not sure. But then again the delta from Honda to Pontiac is only .5 pph, not a heck of a lot of difference from a "vaunted" marque.
As I have said before quality (things gone wrong) is pretty much a moot point anymore, things are so close.
In fact perhaps that is where CR is having problems with some. Since the "dots" are filled in per above/below/whatever average and the problems per vehicle is getting so even that it is perhaps becoming meaningless. If all cars on average have .32 problems with the transmission and XXX has .3 problems and gets a red and YYY has .35 problems and gets a black then it is pretty much irrelevent anymore.
I guess I would need to look at their data to see how they calculate the spreads. Where is this data published? I do not recall seeing it in the magazine. How do they decide the range for each visible marker (all black, 1/2 black, empty, 1/2 red, all red)?
Who said anything about 2005? If I could see that rising gas prices, spot shortages, and dependence on imported oil were issues in the 1970s, where in the heck were the geniuses that ran GM?
Oh wait, I know. They were sitting fat and happy rolling in the profits on trucks and the emerging SUV market.
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Honda 194 pph
Pontiac 232 pph
Maybe the flood of rental-grade Grand Prixes and Grand Ams clobbered the Poncho?
I think you're right about the trucks pulling down Chevy, since GMC was at 239 pph and all they had 3 years ago was trucks.
Pontiac 232 pph
GMC 239
Chevrolet 241
My math is usually right. the issue is my typing? I meant Toyota, not Honda. Actually it is about .3 problems between Pontiac and Honda and .5 problems between Pontiac and Toyota.
Maybe the flood of rental-grade Grand Prixes and Grand Ams clobbered the Poncho?
I doubt if the rentals get surveyed by JD Power for their quallity study.
Looks like I am seeing more cars on the lots at GM, compared to say a couple years ago when the lots were filled with only SUV and trucks. And people may be looking at these cars once again. Better styling and interiors will bring in some shoppers. In the back of their mind is the question of beauty only being skin deep. More friends and family owning a GM product with good results, more good car reviews, some good reliability figures, and the perception of product may indeed change. And in the mean time a warranty which is longer helps. Wise move. A move also done by Hyundai. Hyundai though seems to losing some steam.
The return of the RWD Impala will get some good press. The Malibu, is a maybe, as it is already out now in other forms. The New Malibu looks like it has potential, as the interior is a bit more exciting than the rest of the G6 platform cars, and it is sold by all those Chevy dealers. Camaro should be a hit. What is needed now is time and no strike by the UAW. Hope that all works out for all concerned.
Loren
Most if not all of them would ex-rentals by now, but I don't know if JDP would track that or if they only follow new-retail-sale cars.
I don't know if this happened elsewhere, but the local Pontiac dealers moved a lot of blowout Grand Ams and Grand Prixes at the end of the model runs a few years ago, which pretty much killed local G6 and GP sales until this year.
The study, which measures problems experienced by original owners of 3-year-old (2003 model-year) vehicles, finds that there is an ever-smaller gap in reported problems between luxury and higher-volume brands—averaging 15 PP100, down from 31 PP100 in 2003. Quality improvements with non-luxury brands are seen primarily in two categories—ride, handling, braking, and engine and transmission—which both have a strong impact on customer satisfaction.
http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/102642/value-losing-cars
It said that there were 16000 GM workers in Ohio; but there were 40000 retirees. The workers and retirees are going to have to face reality on the healthcare costs and pay more per month and larger copays and coinsurance to keep getting it from the company because of the continually increasing costs.
The distaff side just had a colonoscopy and esophageal endoscopy--the hospital estimate of cost for nondoctor services was $8000. I know the insurance won't pay anywhere near that because of URC writedowns. But someone without insurance might be asked to pay that much unless they know to negotiate it down.
The providers are seeing no pressure to keep costs lower; in fact the more they charge, the higher price they end up with after negotiating. Sort of like a value-added dealer sticker running up the price on a car and then discounting part of that fluff markup.
No political change is going to pressure hospitals and providers to keep costs lower in the near future. Co GM has this to work around along with other American companies.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I thought it was a Freudian slip.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Which motor and how frequently or infrequently was the oil changed? How many miles? Oil type used?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Loren
Keith, this is one of those very rare times you and I strongly disagree pal.
Rocky
Hey, we both can be wrong at times.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It has 39,000 miles on it and paid $12,900 and if we pay it off within' 60 days which is our plan because the rest of my money will come in from my lawsuits by then and the price will only be $10,900 cash minus what we paid on it through car payments. My wife's credit score is very low because of medical bills she was unable to pay before she married me. So this is a oppertunity if we pay on it longer to rebuild her credit score even though it might cost us a lil' more. We thankfully were able to pull off a good interest rate 4.3% because my credit score being the co-signer was so good. We were borrowing my FIL Ford Pick-up as we had to give up the Buick Century, after having it for a few days as it caused a family feud between my Wife's cousin who wanted it for his daughter. So my wife's uncled decide no family members were going to buy it and we had to hand him back the key's. :mad:
The Dodge, is still getting worked on as my buddy has been forced in to work for 23 days in a row for a audit. So that means he hasn't had time as you can tell but still is saving us hundreds of dollars in repairs. Yesterday was his last day of the audit so he will be able to finish it up now. THANK-GOD !!!! :sick:
So the plan is now is to either keep or sell the Dodge, and buy another used car this summer. If I run across a deal for a work car which will likely be a GM, I will buy it in the next few months but ultimately I'm going to buy something new this summer or early this fall I think. Maybe I could bump my head and buy a EVO-X? :surprise: Probably not but it is added to my list of possibles. That would be the only foreign car I'd ever consider but I'm afraid it will be to small for me anyways.
Well that's about it........
Rocky
Yep you can be wrong once in a while as I'll forgive you this time. :P
Rocky
It's not too hard to figure out that the LaCrosse Super will be a reskinned Impala SS, but what can they do for the Lucerne
without stepping on the DTS's toes? Facelift the Northstar Lucy and call that a Super to separate it from the geezer/rental V6 version?
Page 2, 5 cars down
Rocky
P.S. It has that trust worthy 3800