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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well her dad has a 2000 Impala, which he drives when he doesn't need to tool around in his diesel truck for gas mileage. He needed the Ford, back for the farm that we were borrowing. We thought we could still end up with the buick, if we waited but the family feud came to a head last week and we had to finally cave in and just buy something else. So my FIL, let us use his truck so my wife would have time to pick out a new car. I will not miss the $57 dollar fill-ups the Ford killed me with. ;) I might put the 96' Dodge Ram up for sale since I won't use it very much. If I need a truck, I can borrow my FIL's. Maybe I can get him to buy the Ram, and work out a deal that I can use one of his trucks anytime. The RAM is a flatbed which would be perfect for his farm and after replacing lottsa parts on it should run like a brand new vehicle. We will see..... ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    bumpy, The Maxima is a foreign car and I don't do those anymore. The only one I'd risk being a hypocrite over would be that new 08' EVO-X ;) You don't think that plum color is to gurly ?

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    lemko, what kind of mileage can I expect out of my 04' 3800. The only 3800 I owned was in a 92' Bonnevile which was Supercharged. Your wife has the LaCrosse, but that has the 3.6 in it right or does it have a 3800 ?

    Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    LaCrosse Super is not a reskinned Impala. Why do you think that?
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    62' do you know what the last generation 3800's delivered in fuel economy ? I don't recall pal ?

    Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Don't look now, but your Impala was built in a foreign country we call Canada. :surprise: :P

    I don't think you'd fit in an Evo-X, and if you did I don't think you could get back out on your own. :sick: Hold out for the G8; your wallet and your chiropractor will both thank you.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Same platform, same wheelbase, same engine, same transmission, different interior and sheetmetal. Reskin.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Don't look now, but your Impala was built in a foreign country we call Canada.

    Oh it was.....I forgot about that. I do have some Canadian heritage on my grandmothers side and have been to canada, a few times and it reminds me of the U.S. I do support the CAW, and do like Canadians as they remind me as just being another state rather than another country. ;)

    I don't think you'd fit in an Evo-X, and if you did I don't think you could get back out on your own.

    Well I'm 6'2 245 lbs. so your probably right. ;) I'd love to maybe consider a Sky or Soltice but they would give me a similar challenge. They both are sharp as I'd like a Yellow or Red GXP Soltice or a Aqua blue Sky. :sick: I guess I could eat nothing but Corn like my buddy Casey, did in a weight loss bet in 1 month and he dropped 45 lbs in a month just to have a figure ready for summer. :blush:

    Hold out for the G8; your wallet and your chiropractor will both thank you.

    Good advice bumpy, but I don't like the G8 that much. I like it alot but not enough to buy one. I'd personally would rather have the Holden, styling. I also want more of a sport-lux car and I know a CTS-V is dang expensive but I do get a GM employee discount and it's one of a few cars that grabs my heart, mind, soul. ;) The 08's CTS, does the same but not as much soul. What I may do is get a 08' CTS and then a 1-1 1/2 years trade it in for a "V". That is a option I will keep on the table as I might be able to work out a deal with a Cadillac dealer on that proposal and get it signed in writing. ;)

    Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Psst! Try "Research Used Cars" on the main Edmunds page. ;)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Okay, thanx :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I don't see it pal ? Maybe I'm blinde ? :P

    Rocky
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    Witt Motors?
    Hope they keep their car lot well lit at night. No body wants to shop with a dim Witt. :blush: Sorry, that was not Witty enough.

    Does the 3.9 engine have a different intake manifold than the 3.8 engine?
    I am sending you an email.

    The 3.8 and other V6 GM engines I have owned have been able to match or exceed the EPA figures, which is a good thing. So much talk these days of those figures being way off. I have yet to have that happen, though the PT was off most of the time, as it is a bit boxy and subject to head winds, and other issues. My new car, I think will hit the mark once it has some miles on her. Kinda like the model you got compared to the current as it is a bit more Impala looking. Should be a good ride overall.

    Loren
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    A nice off-lease CTS-V would be the financially prudent approach. Edmunds says a 2004 (with the LS6) runs just north of $30k these days.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Thanks Loren....I just hope she can pull around 30 MPG hwy. I don't think that is being unreasonable as my 92' Bonneville would get around that when I wasn't pressing the gas pedal to the floor. :blush:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    True, but since it's been a while since I've owned a brand-new car I'm going to own one in the next few years. I'll probably lease ;)

    The wife wants to go out for some dinner in our new ride. I'll be on later.......

    Rocky
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

    Rocky, the link above is great. You can also enter your own gas figures and mix of usage between city and highway. See modifications link on the site once you look up a car there.

    And that is blind and not blinde.... only if you are blonde or should I say blond.
    :D Got ya!

    Loren
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    >No body wants to shop with a dim Witt

    All humor needs to be kept to the puns discussion.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    The V6 has plenty of HP, with more on the way for the 2008 model. How can you use more HP on the street? Maybe on the track. The CTS with the 3.6V6 should be the ticket for overall performance. Good cornering, hopefully improved gas mileage, and all the power one can use on the street. The 0-60 is gonna be sub 7 seconds. What will it actually be, maybe below 6.5 seconds? Anyway, the CTS-V is pretty cool, and it's your wallet. Enjoy! At the track those race versions are really loud. Louder than the Corvettes, at least back a couple years ago. Dang, I liked the look of the race cars. Caddy and the Vette looked awesome. Look at this L I N K

    :shades: Loren
  • altestaltest Member Posts: 79
    Used Chevy???????? My new one had hard time staying away from garage, and I had to get rid of it within 5 years of purchase.

    I have no plans to buy Chevys again. I may lease.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    The 3800 in LeSabre 03 gives 31-33 traveling at interstate 68-72 with 3 adults and luggage. It gives 35-38 traveling at 55 cross country flatland here in W. Ohio. It gives my wife 22.5 in short trips to stores when I just let the DIC run and average the mileage. When I drive it around it gives 24. Regular gas. Tires at 33.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    Otherwise there are "pun i tive" damages, I assume ;)

    Speaking of humor. I am liking the new Honda ads. Maybe GM needs to switch again? I know they just changed, but are the new ads working? Sad thing is, some of the really - really good ones GM had back over the last couple of years got pulled. Ads, like the kids driving the Corvettes, were interesting -- well done. Pressure to pull the ads ended that one. VW use to be the best at finding good ad companies. Ford, poor ol' Ford, same ol' type of ads. Maybe all three of the ad companies the three use for GM, Ford and Chrysler do have some great ideas which are not accepted by management??? Who knows. Seems like lots of tallent out there. The Geico ads are great! GM has had some good ones, some good ones got shot down after release, and some I am not too sure about. The Honda salesman ads are pretty darn good.
    Loren
  • mf15mf15 Member Posts: 158
    It was a v6 don't remember specifically which engine, yes the oil was changed at the correct time, and it was the specified oil at the time. I am sure the miles were low.
    I remember that the salesman told me when I bought the car that you need to change the oil often, gee I guess he was right.
    Junk. They have PO'ed mainstream America, their bread and butter, the baby boomers. Old Mike
  • punkr77punkr77 Member Posts: 183
    Have you been in any of the latest models from GM (new in last 3 years)? Refinement is pretty much even with Honda/Toyota and even better in some segments. Yes, we can argue about soft plastic vs. hard and DOHC vs. not but overall GM is even with fits/gaps/quietness and pretty much everything.

    To be honest, I've been to Pontiac/Chevy dealers recently, but only in "looking around mode". To be honest, none of their cars other than the Vette spark any interest at all. I'm more of a sports coupe/sports car kind of guy and my wife is more of a 5 door wagon kind of gal. The Vette is out of my price range ATM and the Malibu Maxx is just butt ugly.

    We also tend to buy new and drive our cars until it's no longer an option (totalled out or repairs go through the roof), so long term reliability is important. That's where the Honda's and Toyota's really shine. The 3 Honda's and a Toyota in our family's past all made it way past 100K with no mechanical issues other than an A/C repair (accord) 2 break-ins (accord and civic), and brake work (RAV 4). The American car I'm driving now (Mustang) has mirrored my past experiences with American cars: designed obsolescence. As soon as the warranty goes, stuff starts breaking, wearing out, falling apart. I would be interested to see a JD powers survey showing 6 or 8 year reliability. Consumer reports has something like that in their '07 New Car issue. It looked pretty much like I expected (except for VW, who did much worse than I would have figured)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The V6 has plenty of HP, with more on the way for the 2008 model. How can you use more HP on the street?

    Loren, yes for most it would be more than adequate. I don't mind breaking the law pal when it comes to speeding. I don't usually speed but in the Acura I did have it over 140 mph a few times. If I got a CTS-V I would try to max it out which will be in the neighborhood of 190 mph. This is Tejas, not California. Would I try anything that stupid on I-5 hell no !!!!!! I am willing to do it on some of our Farm & Market roads that are pretty empty. There is no race tracks for average folks thus we need an autobahn. I do not understand why we don't have a Autobahn system here in the U.S. yet ? We are suppose to be a Free Society and now in Germany, they are trying to put speed limits every where on the Autobahn, which I think is a shame. :sick:

    South of me about 6 1/2 hours in West Texas around Odessa, Midland their is enough flat space to build a Autobahn system. The speed limit was moved up to 80 mph and my pals tell me it should be a lot higher. Montana had a unlimited speed limit for a while but the idiots shut it down. Why ? So a few people got killed oh well. You can get killed going 70 mph in Chicago, with those crazy drivers but on roads that are pretty much traffic free why not give us drivers a place to say we are free. I here story's of friends that have driven the Autobahn in Germany, and they said it was one of the best experiences in life they ever had. Many americans buy cars with limitations that far exceed our laws. It's ashame they have to risk going to jail to get that experience of pushing their highly capable cars to it's limits. :sick: This is the risk I will take if I buy a high performance car like a CTS-V or Vette.

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The Impala owners I know rarely have problems. My friends at work had a ABS motor go out on hers but that has been the only troble she has ever had with hers. My Great Uncle has a plum Impala, and he's never had a problem with his either. I don't know what the bible says about the Impala, but I here they are Buick reliable. ;) What problems did you have with yours ? What year was it ?

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Loren, buying GM was so logical even "cavemen" did it ! :P

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Loren the CTS-V race car is pretty darn fast. 0-60 in 3.8 and 11.4 quarter I beleive are the numbers I read in MT. That is why I hope the next "V" get 600 hp. The "V" race car has 515 hp.

    Rocky
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    What happened to the long term JD Powers info. @ Edmund's site? Another mystery to unravel.

    Hope this is not part of the offensive -- just kidding. :P

    Loren
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Thank-you Loren, as that was a easy to use link pal. :)

    20 city 30 hwy for the 3800 :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Oh I didn't scroll down to your post bumpy as I instantly replied to Lorens. I appreciate it pal. Those are good numbers. I might be able to beat them as Loren, said. I believe my great uncle said he gets 32 mpg in his in optimal conditions. I will ask him next time I talk to him as he owns one kind of like mine only his is a 2001 or 2002 I think. He has a plum color one also.

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    WOW :surprise: Keith, those are really good numbers pal. That is the type of actual experience I was looking for. You own a 3800 and I should get similar numbers I would think as the Impala, should maybe a hair lighter than the Lesabre, I would assume. :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The new 09' Impala, should be one of those cars that may rewrite the history books. It very well could be a icon that 30 years from now my generation will say that was one damn fine automobile. Ya know like your generation does with the 60's cars. :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The only thing missing on my Impala, are a set of these right ? :blush:

    http://www.eliteautowerks.com/spin_kits.htm

    As LIL Troy would say "I wanna be a baller, shock collar, 20-inch blades on the Impala" :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9qoaUI3JE

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1C_-JddgLo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7RqcQukw

    Maybe after watching these video's you might see why I want a 09' :blush:
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Only if the Imapala and Lesabre were geared the same. However, I think the Lesabre got a taller final gear than the Impy, which would give it better highway mileage.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    I would clear the memory in the computer so that it starts out learning your driving style. I don't know if that can be cleared just by disconnecting the fuse to the PCM or not.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Detailed discussions of individual models or problems with cars belong in discussions for those make/models. Please use the Browse By Vehicle search tool in the left sidebar to find the appropriate discussions.

    This discussion is about GM the corporation, let's keep it that way please.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    I don't know why they would need a different gearing in a lighter car? Does anyone have data from those years? I do kno the touring models of Lesabres had a higher number ratio than regular suspension models when I was looking at one time.

    I can't understand why GM needs to kill a motor like that for us conservative drivers. Keeping these good motors with good reputations is a plus. Hopefully some of the new designs with tricked up valve timing schemes can do as well for those of us who don't want the low torque/high horsepower output like some other companies advertise.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    Looks like we will see the next phase of the product offensive in two weeks. Supposedly 6 GM vehicles will be at the NY autoshow even though Edmunds doesnt bother to mention any of them in their preview. Of course all the vehicles they focus on are Japanese but that is no surprise.

    Any ideas about what will be shown? We already know two Buicks will be there and possibly the '08 STS. That's three down and three to go. I think a CTS coupe will be shown and an Aura Redline. Look for Escalade hybrid as well.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    The last quantitative data I saw (3 years ago)showed all Oshawa built cars with better reliability and Initial quality numbers better than Camry/Accord.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Congrats on the Impala! I remember when my girlfriend first saw the Impala at the Philadelphia Auto Show some years back. She nearly pulled my arm out of its socket running over to it and saying, "What kind of car is that? It's beautiful! I want that!" A year later, she bought a new green 2001 model. The car was so great that it inspired her father to buy a new Impala two years later.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Well, my 1988 Park Avenue and her 2005 LaCrosse both have the 3800 V-6 although separated by several generations. I've managed about 19 City and 29 Highway with both cars. I believe her LaCrosse is a heavier car than the Park Ave. Her Impala has the 3.4 V-6 and can get 31 MPG if you're not too much of a leadfoot. She had a 1999 Oldsmobile Cutlass sedan, (good God, I hated that car!) That little piggy was a guzzler for such a small car.
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    New York Show link

    They will have several cars from GM. The Malibu is a little more rounded looking Aura and the CTS gets a more stretched out, less vertical edgy look to it. I guess this is good? Opel arrives as a Saturn in a hatchback. And they will have the G8. Sort of a cross of retro Pontiac front, with more Aura like roof line to the back pillar. So far it looks like nice, evolutionary styling, while being non-offensive, as not overly styled or bold. None of the in-your-face boldness of the Chrysler 300, which is both good and bad. Seems to be a careful, somewhat overly control evolution of style, more so than an American Revolution. It truly is An American Evolution. From a sales stand point, this may be a good thing. No retooling every three years to keep up with bolder, on the edge styling. Eventually though, to make a splash, something really fresh and exciting will have to be produced, I would think, or everyone will fall asleep. Maybe the show stopper is the Impala? Or maybe the Camaro. I hope they trim the fat on that one. The Astra, from the Opel division, may be something people stop to look at. The hatch will mainly sell well with the younger set. As always, just opinions...
    Loren
  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    ...You can get killed going 70 mph in Chicago, with those crazy drivers...

    Hey?!

    You ought to come up now Rock. We've had road construction on most of the express-/highways up here (particularly I-94), so the roadways have been jammed up. So we don't drive as fast (69mph)! ;)
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Orders for the soon-to-be launched Buick Enclave -- the crossover sport utility vehicle at the center of the struggling brand's revival -- are coming in quicker than General Motors Corp. can build them.

    Buick General Manager Steve Shannon on Wednesday said GM has received more than 6,000 orders, more than twice what the automaker is able to build by the summer launch date.


    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070322/AUTO01/703220345/1148-
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    I read about cheap materials in GM interiors. My GM car has padded panels over 90% of the door and dash. The carpet sinks in one inch if I push with my finger. Everything has held up great for 11 years. The radio, power antenna, CD, a/c, power windows, locks, remote keyless, instruments, power seats, heated seats, power sunroof, 8 way power seats, climate control, electro-chromic mirrors, power mirrors, cruise, traction control, all still work perfect and have never acted up. The leather seats are excellent without wear or tears after 155700 miles. I get 27 mpg hwy from 3700 lb (empty) car with 282 ft lbs Torque. That is the same as it was rated new. It does have an idle issue and the paint started to have issues in the 11th winter but Buick said they will share the cost of fixing the paint. This car has taken me a long way in comfortable, 7 sec 0-60, style and is still solid and quiet. I have previously drove an Olds 203000 miles. a Camaro 175000 miles, a Monte Carlo 175000 miles and have an Astro with 180000 miles on it and another with 102000 miles on it. None ever left me stranded, got bad mileage, or were falling apart when I sold them. I never had any major engine or trans work on them, except a timing gear on the '70 Olds. I test drove an Impala SS (303 HP) yesterday that was very fast yet got 31 mpg in 4cyl mode at 70 mph. The Impala is better than the Accord in many ways and about $4000 less. It also has a better warranty. Have you ever rode in a Honda with 170000 miles on it? I have. Felt and sounded like it was falling apart and the owner told me it had dropped from 42 to 34 mpg as it aged.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    There was some dicussion here earlier about oil changer intervals. GM says 12,000 miles possible. Can Honda or Toyota say that?

    Peter Lord, executive director of GM's service operations, said oil can last 12,000 miles or even more for many drivers who don't run their vehicles in extreme heat or cold or tow heavy loads.

    "It really does depend on the individual customer and how they've used the vehicle," he said.


    Ford Motor Co. became the latest manufacturer to extend its oil life guidelines, making public that it is raising the recommended oil change interval from 5,000 miles to 7,500 on its newly redesigned 2007 models and all subsequent redesigned or new models.


    GM has been here awhile.

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070322/AUTO01/703220325/1148-
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    GM says 12,000 miles possible. Can Honda or Toyota say that?

    Can they say that? Yes. Are they foolish enough to say that? No.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Yea, you are right. Some kind of sludge issues or something.
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