Actually the 2007 CR-V is what the Veracruz looks most like to me--exterior-wise anyway. Particularly the rear side windows, how they curve down. The front of the Veracruz is much nicer though--except the wart on the lower lip of the grille.
The CRV and Veracruz have similiar side profiles however the side profile of the Veracruz looks alot classier/cleaner than that of the CRV IMHO. The front end and backend profile of the CRV looks hideous IMHO.
Evening group. Just wanted to share my experience today. Was out shopping this afternoon (eastern PA close to NJ border) and saw a vehicle pull into the lot that looked surprisingly like a Veracruz. Driver and passenger left the vehicle and I gave it a closer look. Sure enough it was a Veracruz in white devoid of ANY exterior badging that indicated "Hyundai or Veracruz". It had a special issue "vehicle mfr" plate from NJ. Saw the driver inside and asked when it would be available--after his shock that I recognized it as a Veracruz, he said "February". Thought I 'd let you know...
That sounds about right. It debuts at the Detroit Auto Show in January, and you know they have to have everything together since it is already available in Korea. I'm just waiting for a few more interior statistics, a price, and a test drive to make a final judgement.
Agreed...especially the CRV! My wife waited a year for the the 2007 CRV to come out, after the RAV4 came out with it's new design for 06'(w/same tire design attached to rear). She's now going to deside between the 07' Sante Fe or the RAV4. Honda has blown it. I'm sure it's a quality vehicle... but it's just not a clean/crisp look. They've now opened the door 'wiiide' open for the 07' Santa Fe. Even though the RAV4 looks nice, they got lazy on the spare tire design /engineering effort. So Santa Fe....make the most of it!
Personally...looking at the Veracruz vs the GM Lambdas.
Glad to hear they'll be here soon. I'm looking forward to test driving the Veracruz. Just wondering if you noticed if it had a NAV system? It looks like the Korean version has NAV available. Anyone know if NAV available for US market?
So far Hyundai has surprised and disappointed me by not having NAV available for the US market in their lineup. They would have more sales if it's available. I really don't want an aftermarket NAV.
Anyone find any test drive reviews yet on the Veracruz?
The Korean navigation system has been around for a while. The NA navigation system is supposed to be here by Spring of 2007 so I'm guessing this is the first vehicle that receives it since it will be coming out about them.
There might be some reviews out there if you can read Korean, but they get a 3.0L V6 turbo-diesel motor and a few little extras that probably won't make it here. The chassis dynamics should be about the same though.
BTW, the Veracruz 6-speed auto is sourced from Aisin. It may be very similar to the one found in the Mazda CX-9. If so, that transmission has received good reviews for quick, smooth shifts.
Check it out - the Korean site for Veracruz. Good video/pics. 3rd row looks like it has decent room, although not too much cargo area behind it. It would be great if the US got all the features/toys. The cooling compartment is a cool idea. Chrysler has something like it in some newest cars. 3rd row splits. Good link. Enjoy - click on the corners of most pics to flip pages like your looking at a brochure.
None of them have all that much. If they do, its a tall this space. Even the biggest of the new crossovers only has 19 inches from the back seat to the wall. Chances are that we won't see the cooling compartment and some of the other goodies in order to cut costs. Most people are still not ready for a Hyundai that gets that expensive.
It seems that Hyundai has really thought this out. They made the vehicle spacious without making the exterior cumbersome. It should be fairly easy to maneuver in tight spaces compared to some of its rivals. The power to weight ratio is also more than competitive.
Hip room (in., front/2nd row/3rd row (7-passenger only)) 55.8/55.0/44.6
The Veracruz is 6" longer and 4" wider than the Santa Fe. I don't think it will be as big a difference between the CX-9 as one might thing given that it is 9" shorter, but the CX-9 will definitely have more space available behind the 3rd row.
No, North American version will come with a 3.8L V6 w/ approximately 265hp like the Azera. It has an Aisin 6-speed automatic. With a rather low coefficient of drag for an SUV, it should get relatively good gas mileage, but I guess we'll have to wait for the release.
I'm hoping they bring the diesel though. It's supposed to be rather fuel efficient. I think it would only be a 45 state diesel like Mercedes.
do you have a site with some additional data on Veracruz dimensions. If the Veracruz is 4" wider than the Santa Fe, then that would make it aprox 78". A little wider than anticipated, eventhough expected the length to be around 190". Any other dimensions or sites with data would be nice.
This site has some dimensions specs. You have to click on Specifications in the bottom right corner. They are in millimeters. The final width, with some conversion, of the Veracruz comes out to about 77.6 inches and length is 190.7 inches, making it longer and wider than a Honda Pilot that supposedly seats 8. It is also wider than the new Mazda CX-9.
Unfortunately it does. California's standards are the highest in the nation. Unless Hyundai is able to harness the same technology as MB's blutec and Honda's new 4-cyl diesel yet to be delivered, we probably won't see that diesel engine. Who knows though? All the manufacturing, including little Subaru, are all working on new diesel motors. Ford is even bringing a V6 diesel to the F-150 soon.
The TDI Tourag could have been more sucessful if the model hadn't been plagued with problems/poor consumer support and *if* the hyundai veracruz is really going to make any serious inroads in this segment,it has to bring it's diesel. period!
Lux SUV's with true AWD such as the Subaru Tribeca(not part time such as the majority of crossovers) people who are looking for the real thing have the BMW,Merc,and Subaru Tribeca..the rest are just whattabe's....cars with big bodies and without the Diesel,game over.
Ummm... the Tribeca really sucks though. Third row room is suspect, performance is marginal at best, and it requires premium fuel. BMW doesn't offer a diesel in NA, and you have to have your mechanic on speed dial. You have to take out a second mortgage to get the GL with the diesel, and it's not a 50 state vehicle until next year (and even then you have to keep filling it with special fluid). The Tourag doesn't really compare either because it doesn't offer 3rd row seating or even good fuel economy with any of the offered engines, including the diesel (not 50 state legal either).
It would be nice if Hyundai would bring the diesel, but I'm guessing they won't because it probably isn't 50 state legal. It might be available by 2009, but I wouldn't expect it until then. The average NA buyer isn't really to keen on diesels yet anyway.
Hyundai has a pretty darn good AWD system with great onroad performance, and decent offroad performance. AWD really isn't meant for offroading anyway. To really go offroad, you need a good 4x4 system w/ low range. Otherwise you'll just need someone to pull you out the mud later.
I've been test driving and reading many reviews and nowhere have I read anything but good reviews on the Tribeca,it drives wonderfully on and off-road with it's fulltime AWD and 9" clearance,the Tribeca forums at edmunds mention virtually no major complaints which is what really counts. IMO,It would be a mistake not to give it a look if you want a crossover in this class. I'm close to buying but would like to see the Veracruz and drive it exactly where I've been driving the other candidates.
BTW,the manual says the tribeca needs 87> octaine and the tribeca7 has third row seating. The Merc GL and X5 are just too expensive for my family and your right,it looks like no Diesels in this class in 07/08. Sorry if this sounded like a subbie promo..I just wanted to point it out as a viable comparison.
I love Subaru, don't get me wrong. I fell in love with the 2002 WRX when it debuted. I had a poster in my office. It's just that the Veracruz will provide more horsepower, better towing, full-time AWD (although not 50/50 unless locked), and over 8" of ground clearance. It will also do it for the same price or less, with a better warranty. The Subaru in 7-passenger form only has average 2nd row room and poor 3rd room. It also has nearly 19 cu. ft. less storage space with the seats folded. The Tribeca is a slick vehicle, but it lost some of its appeal due to its less functional interior space. Sorry, I didn't mean to be so harsh on the Tribeca.
I admit that was wrong about it requiring premium gas, but it does recommend it. The Veracruz is the same way though.
NP,Tribeca has 5 star crash test rating plus a good chance to avoid accidents with AWD, multiple air bags and stability control plus tiptronic transmission,heated seats,mirrors and wipers makes it a true winter dream especially with aftermarket performance winter tires.Not a hotrod like some roos but comfortable.
We'll give the Vericruz a hard look *if* we don't jump on the current subbie trade-in deal for 02 and newer roo owners..hard to pass up.
Yup, all that stuff is nice, but the Veracruz has all that too. It also has side curtain airbags for all three rows while the Tribeca only has them for the first two rows. This is going to be a truly upscale vehicle for Hyundai. It even has LED tail lights and HID headlights.
I probably won't be in the market right away anyway. My wife wants to go back an get her doctorate. I'll certainly give one a test drive when it comes out though.
The 5 Star Crash Test and Roll-over is cetified to the Tribeca,I don't think the Veracruz has been tested in the US. My wife found this -06- blurb and I'll end my comments..thanks for the feedback:
The B9 Tribeca is equipped with high levels of passive and active safety equipment. Passive safety systems are the systems that help protect occupants in the event of a collision. Active safety systems are designed to help the driver avoid hazardous situations.
Passive safety
In the B9 Tribeca, the foundation of passive safety is the Ring Frame Reinforced structure, with a front-end structure that disperses collision energy in three directions. This design forms a series of "rings" around the passenger compartment, providing excellent protection in a variety of collision types. Hydroformed center pillars enhance side-impact protection, which is further bolstered by side-impact door beams.
Active safety
Designing a vehicle for active safety provides a strong sense of security by giving the driver control and maneuverability. Subaru has designed the B9 Tribeca with the crisp, agile handling that can help to provide outstanding accident avoidance. To that end, active safety in the B9 Tribeca begins with its "right size" proportions and reasonable weight, then moves to its dynamic handling systems-notably, the most advanced version of Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive.
The system combines Variable Torque Distribution All-Wheel Drive with Vehicle Dynamics Control, an advanced stability control system, and four-wheel traction control to endow the B9 Tribeca with outstanding nimbleness and all-weather grip.
About the rating system
NHTSA's New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) provides consumers with vehicle safety information, primarily front and side crash test results, and, more recently, rollover resistance ratings, to aid consumers in their vehicle purchase decisions. The test results are relayed to consumers via an easily recognizable star rating system-from one to five stars, with five being the highest. The NCAP crash tests are conducted at speeds higher than required by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards for both side impacts, at 38.5 miles per hour, and full frontal barrier impacts, at 35 miles per hour. Results can be found at www.safer car.gov.
Nope. It hasn't been tested yet, but it has all the same safety features of the Santa Fe which got excellent safety scores. It comes standard with all of its safety features including active head restraints.
Can't wait to test this CUV. These dimensions(77"Wx 190"L) match my SWB Caravan. This means "Real" world 3 across seating in back. With nice style, good performance and MPG at the right price, this may get me out of a mini-van. Thats a compliment, folks ! ! An intelligent alternative for the average bloke. Takes a relative upstart like Hyundai, to disrupt the market with good clean sheet design. If Hyundai can work out the suspension thump from the Santa Fe, in this incarnation, that would be great.
The Santa Fe is rather comfortable in the 3rd row so this should be even better. It will be interesting to see some of the more technical figures for the US models when it debuts.
The new Veracruz has active engine mounts that adjust with a solenoid valve. This could mean trouble. Honda has egg on its face with the Odyssey's active engine mount system. Many brand new Odysseys had their engine mounts replaced with no success in fixing vibration issues. But I digress. The new Veracruz will definately steal more sales from Honda & Toyota (probably not Lexus due to branding).
Tell me it aint so!. Looks like they don't offer a navigation system on this car either What's up with Hyundai not wanting to offer NAV's in new US cars? It's offered on the Korean version. Any ideas, comments?
It looks like a well executed crossover in almost every detail.
It could be available later this year. The nav system was rumored to be coming this Spring so a US version would not be directly available for launch if this is true because the vehicle is supposed to be available in the Spring some time. I don't want nav in my vehicle so it's not an issue for me. The only issue I saw was the lack of an auxilary audio port, but I might have just missed it.
Hyundai is claiming that it is quieter at idle than the RX350 due to special engine and transmission mounts. Performance should be pretty decent too for a 7-seater that large. I think 0-60 will be in the mid to high 7's if it can carry the same hp/torque comparison with the RX350. At 18/25 mpg for FWD, gas mileage isn't too shabby either.
Towing is important to me and I haven't seen any numbers for that. With not much more horsepower and a lot more weight, I suspect the Veracruz will have the same towing capacity as the Sante Fe,i.e. 3500 ibs. Any thoughts?
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side profile of the Veracruz looks alot classier/cleaner than that of the CRV IMHO. The front end and backend profile of the CRV looks hideous IMHO.
but it's just not a clean/crisp look. They've now opened the door 'wiiide' open for the 07' Santa Fe. Even though the RAV4 looks nice, they got lazy on the spare tire design
/engineering effort. So Santa Fe....make the most of it!
Personally...looking at the Veracruz vs the GM Lambdas.
So far Hyundai has surprised and disappointed me by not having NAV available for the US market in their lineup. They would have more sales if it's available. I really don't want an aftermarket NAV.
Anyone find any test drive reviews yet on the Veracruz?
There might be some reviews out there if you can read Korean, but they get a 3.0L V6 turbo-diesel motor and a few little extras that probably won't make it here. The chassis dynamics should be about the same though.
BTW, the Veracruz 6-speed auto is sourced from Aisin. It may be very similar to the one found in the Mazda CX-9. If so, that transmission has received good reviews for quick, smooth shifts.
Check it out - the Korean site for Veracruz. Good video/pics. 3rd row looks like it has decent room, although not too much cargo area behind it. It would be great if the US got all the features/toys. The cooling compartment is a cool idea. Chrysler has something like it in some newest cars. 3rd row splits. Good link. Enjoy - click on the corners of most pics to flip pages like your looking at a brochure.
It seems that Hyundai has really thought this out. They made the vehicle spacious without making the exterior cumbersome. It should be fairly easy to maneuver in tight spaces compared to some of its rivals. The power to weight ratio is also more than competitive.
Pricing should be a little less than the CX-9 with comparable fuel economy.
Head room (in., front/2nd row/3rd row (7-passenger only)) 40.2/39.6/34.8
Leg room (in., front/2nd row/3rd row (7-passenger only)) 42.6/36.8/31.3
Shoulder room (in., front/2nd row/3rd row (7-passenger only)) 59.5/58.6/53.9
Hip room (in., front/2nd row/3rd row (7-passenger only)) 55.8/55.0/44.6
The Veracruz is 6" longer and 4" wider than the Santa Fe. I don't think it will be as big a difference between the CX-9 as one might thing given that it is 9" shorter, but the CX-9 will definitely have more space available behind the 3rd row.
I don't believe the front headroom dimension for a sunroof application though.
I'm hoping they bring the diesel though. It's supposed to be rather fuel efficient. I think it would only be a 45 state diesel like Mercedes.
dimensions. If the Veracruz is 4" wider than the Santa Fe, then that would make it aprox 78". A little wider than anticipated, eventhough expected the length to be around
190". Any other dimensions or sites with data would be nice.
This site has some dimensions specs. You have to click on Specifications in the bottom right corner. They are in millimeters. The final width, with some conversion, of the Veracruz comes out to about 77.6 inches and length is 190.7 inches, making it longer and wider than a Honda Pilot that supposedly seats 8. It is also wider than the new Mazda CX-9.
hadn't been plagued with problems/poor consumer support and *if* the hyundai veracruz is really going to make any serious inroads in this segment,it has to bring it's diesel. period!
Lux SUV's with true AWD such as the Subaru Tribeca(not part time such as the majority of crossovers) people who are looking for the real thing have the BMW,Merc,and Subaru Tribeca..the rest are just whattabe's....cars with big bodies and without the Diesel,game over.
It would be nice if Hyundai would bring the diesel, but I'm guessing they won't because it probably isn't 50 state legal. It might be available by 2009, but I wouldn't expect it until then. The average NA buyer isn't really to keen on diesels yet anyway.
Hyundai has a pretty darn good AWD system with great onroad performance, and decent offroad performance. AWD really isn't meant for offroading anyway. To really go offroad, you need a good 4x4 system w/ low range. Otherwise you'll just need someone to pull you out the mud later.
BTW,the manual says the tribeca needs 87> octaine and the tribeca7 has third row seating. The Merc GL and X5 are just too expensive for my family and your right,it looks like no Diesels in this class in 07/08. Sorry if this sounded like a subbie promo..I just wanted to point it out as a viable comparison.
I admit that was wrong about it requiring premium gas, but it does recommend it. The Veracruz is the same way though.
We'll give the Vericruz a hard look *if* we don't jump on the current subbie trade-in deal for 02 and newer roo owners..hard to pass up.
I probably won't be in the market right away anyway. My wife wants to go back an get her doctorate. I'll certainly give one a test drive when it comes out though.
The B9 Tribeca is equipped with high levels of passive and active safety equipment. Passive safety systems are the systems that help protect occupants in the event of a collision. Active safety systems are designed to help the driver avoid hazardous situations.
Passive safety
In the B9 Tribeca, the foundation of passive safety is the Ring Frame Reinforced structure, with a front-end structure that disperses collision energy in three directions. This design forms a series of "rings" around the passenger compartment, providing excellent protection in a variety of collision types. Hydroformed center pillars enhance side-impact protection, which is further bolstered by side-impact door beams.
Active safety
Designing a vehicle for active safety provides a strong sense of security by giving the driver control and maneuverability. Subaru has designed the B9 Tribeca with the crisp, agile handling that can help to provide outstanding accident avoidance. To that end, active safety in the B9 Tribeca begins with its "right size" proportions and reasonable weight, then moves to its dynamic handling systems-notably, the most advanced version of Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive.
The system combines Variable Torque Distribution All-Wheel Drive with Vehicle Dynamics Control, an advanced stability control system, and four-wheel traction control to endow the B9 Tribeca with outstanding nimbleness and all-weather grip.
About the rating system
NHTSA's New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) provides consumers with vehicle safety information, primarily front and side crash test results, and, more recently, rollover resistance ratings, to aid consumers in their vehicle purchase decisions. The test results are relayed to consumers via an easily recognizable star rating system-from one to five stars, with five being the highest. The NCAP crash tests are conducted at speeds higher than required by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards for both side impacts, at 38.5 miles per hour, and full frontal barrier impacts, at 35 miles per hour. Results can be found at www.safer car.gov.
http://www.megaauto.com/contents/view.php3?menu_id=97&id=35987&cur_page=1
Word of mouth is that both NAV and Bluetooth will be seen on the Veracruz here for the US market.
According to an insider.
They go into production (planned) by Dec. 12th.
Will they be built in the US along with the Santa Fe?
These dimensions(77"Wx 190"L) match my SWB Caravan. This means "Real" world 3 across seating in back. With nice style, good performance and MPG at the right price, this may get me out of a mini-van. Thats a compliment, folks ! ! An intelligent alternative for the average bloke.
Takes a relative upstart like Hyundai, to disrupt the market with good clean sheet design.
If Hyundai can work out the suspension thump from the Santa Fe, in this incarnation, that would be great.
Veracruz Press Release at NAIAS
It looks like a well executed crossover in almost every detail.
When will we able to test drive them?