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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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  • smithedsmithed Posts: 444
    The cars that Edmunds thinks we should be discussing here are listed above. Are there others that should be included here?

    Is the decision to group cars based on price alone or perceived prestige or something else? :shades:
  • Just to spoil the discussions----took my Lucerne in today to correct a slight 'bump' in the steering which could be felt in low speed turns. Replaced the steering shaft under warranty. Was told that safety was not involved.

    The car was delivered at Thanksgiving last year and has 1800 miles on it. (CXL)

    A friend who owns a Lucerne had to have the same thing repaired.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Again I say, and YOU should know this as a Maxima owner...the Maxima...is not a near luxury car, it's a sports sedan, nothing more.

    The Maxima can't even be hyped anymore at this point, it's getting beat up by it's little brother (Altima). The only thing holding the Altima back is it's size!
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    "Folks really stop needing to be so literal when they watch those commercials. ;) "

    I'm afraid that some will always look at the Azera as aspiring to "nuevo riche," not to be permitted entry into the automotive country club... :shades:

    Hey, at least the valet (who I can now afford to pay) seems impressed... :P
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    They are simply in denial. Anyone that actually gets in one and drives it...find it hard to deny the Azera for what it actually is.

    Unfortunately...since they won't simply let it in, the Azera is going to have to kick the door down on it's own! LOL
  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    As Azera Lovers say " get your numbers straight link title

    now in reference to safety lexus beats Azera in IIHS rating
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Alexstore, are you tripping...STILL???

    Maybe you need a new prescription???

    I hate to break it to you, but there are numbers in the Azera column that are larger than the ones in the LS460 column. :surprise:

    The Avalon has a few numbers that are larger and a few that are smaller, so we have to call that one a draw between the Azera and the Avalon. :blush:

    The Maxima only has one number that's a hair larger and their equal on one as well...advantage, Azera! ;)
  • vic10vic10 Posts: 188
    Obviously there are two types here: Lovers and non lovers of the Azera. Hyundai's latest commercial would appear to both. The "duh" commercial. Their take is "duh" means it's so obvious. My take is the "duh" is the one you'd hear from a two-digit IQ-er.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Cost had no influence on my decision.
    you'll have a hard time getting me to bite on this one and I believe yu will find that the new LS is significantly larger than either the Azera (or Avalon FTM) not to mention about double the price which I am supposed to believe 'had no influence'?
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Well...Alexstore provided the link that showed the numbers. The LS is significantly bigger on the exterior, but when it comes to the interior, the only place it's significantly bigger is in the trunk.
  • dborthdborth Posts: 474
    re 2717: allmet33, you need to take a deep breath. Taking exception to everything posted here can be bad for you blood pressure. Everything has a positive or a negative spin, it depends on the individual.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    the packaging benefits of FWD vs. RWD - granted the interior volume is close, the Avalon is even slightly bigger than the Azera, but the LS is still a much larger car than either of them.
  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    ME!. The Toyota/lexus lines actually offer less, is smaller and offers fewer safety features. While it does offer Nav, I could care less. I really did look seriously at the Lexus ES 350, but just did not like it as well and the dealer could care less about customer service. The $10,000 price savings did not figure into my final decision.
    As for the Infiniti, the interior is way small and the Big Dial just duplicates what the buttons on either side do.
    I'm 5'7" and 165 lbs and I found the Infiniti, Avalon and Lexus small.
    Did check out the GS and LS, but they seem to be getting smaller, more reliability issues and the metal is thiner.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I'm 5'7" and 165 lbs and I found the Infiniti, Avalon and Lexus small.

    Did check out the GS and LS, but they seem to be getting smaller, more reliability issues and the metal is thiner.


    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

    Metal is thiner? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ROTFLOLx1000!!!

    Note to myself: From now on I'll just take scbob's post as "joke of the day"...
  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    Appears that way to me, but I never thought of it until I read it in reviews of Toyota Corp. cars. Was referred to as their "minimilization" process.
    While the previous versions of the GS and LS were larger inside, the new ones are not.

    Also, have no idea what all the letters mean. Say what you mean, please. Maybe I should keep my opinions to myself, rather than sharing them. :(
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,514
    "I'm 5'7" and 165 lbs and I found the Infiniti, Avalon and Lexus small"

    I am 6' 290 (pure muscle ;)) and feel extremely comfortable in my '06 Avalon. Honestly out of all things ever said about the Avalon I have never heard complaints of a small interior. Actually, I would think that the Av may have one of the largest interiors in a 4 door sedan except for (maybe) the Ford 500/Taurus.

    P.S. Louiswei's acronym: ROTFLOLx1000!!! = rolling on the floor laughing out loud times 1000!!!.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Dborth, actually...I'm fine. I just find it so funny that folks are quick to discount the Azera in any way, shape or form that they can...and almost every single time, they fall short in doing so.

    You're right, there is a positive and a negative spin that can be placed on all that's seen...depending on the individual. My problem is when someone uses factual information to prove something, and prove nothing at all.

    I also can't stand it when someone quotes something found in a single publication and tries to use that as the statement that IS. Alexstore has this thing about Maximas and he truly wants it to be something it's not. The Maxima was and is NOT a luxury vehicle. I have read a lot of things about the Maxima over the years and the only one I can think of that would have come close to luxury for its time would be the Maxima of the mid-late 80's (you know, the square body style). I had a buddy that owned one and back then, when it came out...it was the closest thing to entry level luxury that you could get. Since then, the Maxima has evolved into a sports sedan and that's what it remains to this day.

    You want examples of luxury sport sedans? BMW, Infinti, Lexus, MB, Cadillac...

    Okay..NOW I can take my deep breath! ;)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,514
    The problem is and will continue to be is that Hyundai (as a company) is still thought by many as "junk" Think of how long it took Toyota and Honda to become what they are today. I am not saying they don't build a quality car, I am just stating what I hear when I talk to people. Case in point, when I was shopping for my Avalon I mentioned to several people I looked at the new Hyundai. What? they questioned... the Azera. Oh, how much is that? Around 31K loaded. Then a long pause. 31K for a Hyundai? Are you kidding? Image is everything, and Hyundai still has a long way to go.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • jlindhjlindh Posts: 282
    Can't believe you actually said "Image is everything".
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    You are right in what you're saying, however...those very same people are making the judgement based on what they knew from before. They aren't taking a look at what's going on today. It's refreshing to hear someone else mention the tribulations that Honda and Toyota went through when they first started out. It seems that folks have forgetten that, which is a good thing...that means the same can happen for Hyundai.

    $31 for a loaded Azera??? Where were you shopping? You can get the Limited with the Ultimate package for around $27K.
  • jaymagicjaymagic Posts: 309
    Good point. Hyundai is still generally perceived by the public as a player in the low end of the market. Now, those that have Azera's, and probably most that have sampled it, seem to concede that it is at the very least a great value and a fair competitor to virtually any mid size or larger sedan that stickers under $35K.

    It would also appear that the large majority of Azzy owners (posting of this forum) feel the need to extoll the virtues of the car they selected (myself included). I am not sure that the level of owner loyalty and intensity is as high for other makes of sedan that are discussed in this forum. For example, most Avalon owners know that their car is generally highly regarded (deservedly so) and while they will be happy to dispute any claim that an Azera is better than an Avalon, they seem less sensitive about a comment that an Azera might be the equivalent of the Avalon or even better regarding a particular dimension or feature (as long as the Avalon is the perceived overall winner).

    We underdog unappreciated Azzy owners are willing to jump into the fray at the least provocation. Maybe a couple of years more of Hyundai quality cars and the the release of even more upscale models will change that, but for now, our feathers are easily ruffled and attack mode is just a key stroke away.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,514
    "$31 for a loaded Azera"

    I was talking MSRP. If I recall the actual # was $30,600.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Funny...you may end up back around $30K after tax, tags, title and the whole 9.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,514
    "Can't believe you actually said "Image is everything"

    Why not? I am not saying that I believe in it but I would think that many do even if they won't admit it. How many things do people buy that cost more money but aren't really any better except for the name? The clothing industry immediately comes to mind.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    Thanks for your comments. Perhaps we Azzy owners do go overboard, but it also seems that some people become very defensive if you think Azera is better than their preferred cars. It is all a matter of perception and opinion anyway.
    My comments are based on six months of research and test drives. In addition, I own/owned Toyotas and almost bought an Avalon until the latest version came out. Another problem was the difficulty in finding one with ESC the way I wanted it. Also have friends who owned Toyotas. Most very good, but some were terrible.
    Tested the Lexus and negotiated with five different dealers. Every time I got into the car or looked at the brochure and compared it to Azera, it just wasn't there.
    I would love to get a Lexus, if it looked like it was worth $40 - 75,000 and had the features that I want.
  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    The Limiteds I test drove sure felt smaller than the Azera. Also, If I remember correctly, the dimensions in the brochures were smaller overall for the Avalon.
    Sometimes, it is a matter of where you place the steering column and the size of the console. A reputable magazine review(not me Louiswei) said the Infiniti G35 seating is smaller because of the width of the console.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I think the reason the Avalon FEELS smaller inside is the way the glass surrounding the cabin is. I mean...I sat in an Avalon and it did feel more closed in than my Azera does.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,514
    Interior Azera Avalon
    Front Headroom 40.2 in. 38.8 in.
    Rear Headroom 38.2 in. 37.5 in.
    Front Shoulder Room 57.9 in. 59.4 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room 57.1 in. 58.2 in.
    Front Hip Room 55.5 in. 55.8 in.
    Rear Hip Room 55.1 in. 56.2 in.
    Front Leg Room 43.7 in. 41.3 in.
    Rear Leg Room 38.2 in. 40.9 in.

    This is taken from right here at Edmunds. It must be the extra headroom that makes the Azera seem bigger. They are really close in every dimension.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Yeah...I've seen the numbers before, I did that research when I looked at the specs when I was looking. Like I said before...I've sat in both and looking around the car, I really can't say one is bigger inside than the other. I do know that the Avalon offering reclining rear seats is a bonus for rear passengers.

    However, another thing that can change the perception of size when it comes to the interior is the color itself. Darker colors swallow everything up and make it seem smaller inside, lighter colors make it seem more open. More light shining in also makes it seem larger as well. If I recall, the windows on the Avalon seem to sit a little higher compared to the Azera. I don't think the glass surface is as tall (side windows).
  • makigrlmakigrl Posts: 19
    What about chrysler, jeep and dodge vehicles with there unlimited powertrain warranty that is good on all of there vehicles except diesel, srt-8, sprinter, and fleet vehicles. The maxima is usually considered to be a neat luxury vehicle just like the mitsubishi diamante and mazda millenia are. Without the prestige you get from the other higher end vehicles.

    If you go to the car reviews you will notice vehicles like the buick lacrosse they will compare them to chrysler 300c, avalon, and maxima. If you go to review for the maxima on the other hand they will compare it to the bmw 3 series and some of the higher end more luxurious vehicles.
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