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July 7, 2009
Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with [non-permissible content removed]
Al Gore today compared the battle against climate change with the struggle against the [non-permissible content removed].
The former US Vice President said the world lacked the political will to act and invoked the spirit of Winston Churchill by encouraging leaders to unite their nations to fight climate change.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6658672.ece
The so called climate experts, act more like [non-permissible content removed], trying to shut up legitimate scientists that disagree with their fear mongering.
If Churchill is truly invoked, we face a dark and bleak future :sick:
Washington, D.C.-During a hearing today in the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, EPA Administrator Jackson confirmed an EPA analysis showing that unilateral U.S. action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions would have no effect on climate. Moreover, when presented with an EPA chart depicting that outcome, Energy Secretary Steven Chu said he disagreed with EPA's analysis.
"I believe the central parts of the [EPA] chart are that U.S. action alone will not impact world CO2 levels," Administrator Jackson said.
Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) presented the chart to both Jackson and Secretary Chu, which shows that meaningful emissions reductions cannot occur without aggressive action by China, India, and other developing countries. "I am encouraged that Administrator Jackson agrees that unilateral action by the U.S. will be all cost for no climate gain," Sen. Inhofe said. "With China and India recently issuing statements of defiant opposition to mandatory emissions controls, acting alone through the job-killing Waxman-Markey bill would impose severe economic burdens on American consumers, businesses, and families, all without any impact on climate."
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.PressReleases&Content- Record_id=564ed42f-802a-23ad-4570-3399477b1393
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..."Massive power project is in doubt"
By Jeanine Benca
Bay Area News Group
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The operative word is probably massive. The Home Power crowd (link) is about getting off the grid, not making lots of new ones.
The City of Santa Clara is hardly MASSIVE "Total 18.38 sq mi (47.6 km2)
- Land 18.4 sq mi (47.6 km2)
- Water 0.0 sq mi (0.0 km2)
Elevation 75 ft (23 m)
Population (2005)
- Total 109,000 "...
600 miles of high-voltage transmission lines - sounds like a pretty "massive" impact.
Notice that even Google (anybody ever heard of Google?
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Google burns a lot of power, so, as wiki says, one place they put them is in Oregon to take advantage of inexpensive hydroelectric power. Follow the money.
Part of the complaint about getting that renewable power to the California cities is the cost.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618143950.htm
We are heading into uncharted territory.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/china-parc-20090705.html#more
As the Chinese motor vehicle fleet grows we can expect the CO2 contribution to increase, however, the increasing number of coal power plants and cement plants will likely exceed the amount generated by vehicles.
The increase in vehicles is truly staggering. In another 5 to 10 years they will exceed the U.S. When that happens we will need to continue the discussion on a Chinese forum, assuming of course, that you can actual discuss this issue without censorship.
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And TOTALLY allowed and approved by the Kyoto protocols, not signed by the US under the GWB administration.
"This study tells us that CO2 was not the main trigger, though our data continues to suggest that greenhouse gases and global climate are intimately linked."
How can anyone believe that the whole GW/CC business is anything but a money grab by people like Al Gore? Calling those that do not buy into his scam, [non-permissible content removed].
Glad to see that old Byrd calling the Cap n Trade what it really is today. The House will be lucky if half the Democrat Senators buy into their huge tax and spend scheme.
Those being Big Coal...
Byrd may be having a bit of a change of heart in his old age. Too many of his constituents are at risk of getting flooded out from all the mountaintop scraping with the overburden filling in the creeks and valleys.
But yeah, India and China are still too poor to be able to afford to be greener, and why should they cut back when the West won't?
Coal=plentiful, reliable, and awfully polluting.
Wind=plentiful, reliable (in places) and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment)
Solar=plentiful (in places), 100% reliable (sun is always shining somewhere), and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment)
Number of carcinogens released from burning coal: up to 15
Number of carcinogens released by a block of solar panels: Zero
Number of carcinogens released by a wind turbine farm: Zero
So you see the coal problem?
The sooner we eliminate coal as a source for electricity generation, the better.
So for example, when CHINA builds ONE coal buring plant and there are already literally hundreds if not thousands built and many more planned: a plant lasts between 30-60 years between major upgrading.
Here is one in Morocco for 1.5 BILLION (2001) link title
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That is, until Mr. Peabody's Coal Train hauls it all away. You want a wind generator. T. Boone will have 687 of them for sale soon. No one wants to invest in Wind or Solar is a big part of the problem. It is too unstable of a market. As long as fossil fuel is plentiful, alternatives will be on the back burner. People with money do not want to waste millions of it fighting environmentalist over the 3 toed salamander out in the desert.
And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place.
The only ones that matter are the ones who have successfully gotten in the way !! So no, I am not talking about ALL....
..."And you have to wonder how cheap the new coal plants will be to build once a carbon tax is in place. "...
Right and how much C02 will the wind and solar farms save that were NOT built !!??
As I have said all along ( this is a graphic demonstration that) the first and foremost priority has been to increase the cost (per measured unit) of power !! CO2 discharge has always been a myth.
Well, that idea has been out there as a conservation measure and as a way to wean the US off of foreign oil.
Is a Higher Gasoline Tax Good Or Bad For America?
GM is going
Oh yes and they need to spend hundreds of millions to change the logo !!!! As you can tell, it is being run better already !! :lemon:
There is a new developing technology that uses pure oxygen rather than just normal air to burn coal. It produces virtually 0 harmful emissions and is supposed to be perfect for coal fired generating plants. Many current plants could be retrofitted. With about 500 years worth of coal within our borders this is great news...but I can already hear the wind and solar activists screaming that we will use up all the oxygen.
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New York Governor Encourages Unique Clean Coal Plant (Environment News Service)
Cleaner burning is good. Doesn't address all the mining impacts though.
...and the source of the purified oxygen for that matter...
Nothing that I know of just magically appears out of thin air. There are always compromises. The idea for our energy needs has to be a balance between cost, efficiency, and environmental friendliness.
If we truly want to stop financing our enemies with oil money, clean coal is our only practical answer.
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We have the coal. We should use it in a responsible way. If we need more, they can drain Lake Powell and use the 1000 year supply covered with water. When someone comes up with a practical 24/7 power source phase out fossil fuel generation. If we do start using electric vehicles solar will be pretty much useless charging your car overnight. Both wind and solar are VERY limited as to where they will produce adequate energy to be practical. In spite of the hoopla surrounding them. So far most of our local projects for wind and solar have been shot down by several well meaning groups. We need more electricity or a massive war to eliminate a lot of users. :sick:
You called? :shades:
25 years ago this week my wife and I were paddling some river up in the Yukon on our honeymoon.
I think natural gas is a better option than coal in the short term of the old tech fuels. And you can run cars on it "directly".
They should be glad for that. You can't have any CO2 if you don't have any O.
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We can use all the solar panels that we won't need for power to split water.
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FYI - I doubt we will have 1,000 years supply. Currently Lake Powell is being filled at the expense of Lake Mead.
By content, Lake Powell is 66.86% of Full Pool (24,322,000 af)
By content, Lake Mead is 42.74% of Full Pool (25,877,000 af)
http://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/
http://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/
And speaking of draining things:
"The eastern lobe of the disaster-struck Aral Sea seems to have shrunk by four-fifths in just three years, the European Space Agency (ESA) said on Friday."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090710/sc_afp/environmentdisasteraral;_ylt=AtFnFa0- Rb6kFPtfMxvYJTs1pl88F
Another example of how man is impacting the earth.
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It's a good water year, but we've about quit paddling. Just sold a solo canoe 2 weeks ago and have the tandem on the market now. Paring down the fleet.
I did see a Prius an hour ago with a roof rack on it so that's encouraging.
“I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.
“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.”
What this means to the average US citizen is lowering our standard of living. It will not affect people like Al Gore that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like. With a Global Government, we will be brought down to the living standard of those in Africa, India and China. Climate Change is the vehicle that will be used to globalize the World even further. It has been a while coming.
Gore's call for “global governance” echoes former French President Jacques Chirac's call in 2000.
On November 20, 2000, then French President Chirac said during a speech at The Hague that the UN's Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance."
Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed UN's Kyoto Protocol as a “socialist scheme.”
That is exactly what it is. A one World government socialist scheme. Has nothing to do with Climate and everything to do with controlling the people.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Gl- obal-Governance
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That has been going on for some time now. Do you really expect the U.S. to be able to keep on using 20-25% of the world's energy with only five percent of the population? Nate over at the oildrum had an interesting comment on that:
"Among many differences I notice when comparing American attitudes/behavior to those of people from other countries when I travel, one predominates: that of entitlement. While scanning a crowd at a train station or airport or restaurant or public event abroad, one can oftentimes notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA."
http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/5546#more
It is also interesting how business CEOs have been giving themself huge pay raises at the expense of the American worker. Notice also how quickly they moved manufacturing offshore. None of that has anything to do with a climate bill or Al Gore.
"It will not affect people like Al Gore that are allowed to have a carbon footprint as large as they like."
And why do you ignore all the Republican fat cats in your discussion?
And let me add, it is really sad when people associate standard of living with how much money you have or how big your car is... The climate bill will force people to start to address the issue of energy efficiency that have been dragging their feet. Is it perfect, no, but it is a start.
They are not preaching against a large carbon footprint while using way more than the average citizen. Do as I say, not as I do is very common among the Liberal Elite. If I am not mistaken, GW Bush has a much smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore. In fact he may be absorbing more CO2 on his ranch than he emits.
A big share of the offshore loss of jobs is due to heavy corporate taxes, repressive unions and impossible environmental regulations. I personally would have a lot smaller vehicle carbon footprint if not for regulations. My modest 3000 sq ft home is very energy efficient. I have not used the AC more than 8 hours this year. Part of that is a result of Global Cooling. We have averaged about 6 degrees below normal this Spring & Summer in So CA.
notice just by attitude alone who hails from USA."
I have witnessed that in Mexico many times. I call it the Sports fan mentality. Yes we put out an ugly face to the rest of the World. We also flaunt our wealth. It is no wonder the rest of the World want to share our standard of living. I doubt many of the masses want to see US come down to their standard. Only the elites that want to protect their standard of living at the expense of yours and mine.
You have bought into whole Cap n Trade, and I can guarantee if the Senate does not shelve it, we are in deep doo doo.
Entitlement? I certainly believe that we are all individually entitled to the things we work hard for and earn. Usually folks who disagree with this are either very poor or very rich and have no concept of how to apply themselves for their betterment.
Giving people a fish never works for long if they are hungry. They have to develop the incentive to want to learn how to fish....and then just do it.
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I guess I wasn't surprised, but the ex-Pres. also purchased a typical mansion just before leaving office. Around Dallas iirc. His ranch house is cool.
Blurbs from the climate bill the House sent to the Senate:
"It also requires the EPA to prepare a report on the emissions benefits of using natural gas as an automotive fuel and to come up with recommendations for maximizing benefits from use of natural gas fuel.
The environmental agency also would be required to establish rules for a national transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions reduction plan; regulations for cutting "black carbon" emissions - diesel particulates, or soot, is one type of black carbon; and rules for cutting use of hydroflurocarbons (HFCs) including those used in automotive air conditioning systems."
Senate Takes Up Climate Bill in September, Will Have Big Impact on Autos (Green Car Advisor)
HFCs sound like they could be the next big deal.
DuPont study says HFC emissions could erase progress (Ittefaq)
Damn right I do, and more if we can get it. I expect that the people I elect to help BETTER my life not DETRACT from it.
If you are so full of love for the rest of the world that you want to give them all your wealth, good for you. Give your money away to the world socialist movement and take a vow of poverty. But don't try to drag us down with you. :mad:
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Indeed one can designate IRS/FTB/County/Regional/Local/ tax payments over and above one's "FAIR" share !!! Evidently they are stepping up the marketing efforts for those that advocate this are NOT doing it !!! :lemon: