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But if you have an accident because of the frame, and you don't have liability and its your fault you are going to be sued if someone gets hurt.
Now, look at me.... go see what I have been posting the last few weeks. I lost my truck which I trusted my life with. Go check out the Hyundai Elantra forum posts I have been posting.
I hate it Toyota took my truck and now I have more stress to deal with. I would do it all over again though as I have seen some of the trucks that were a yr older than mine loading onto the 18 wheelers to get taken away. And they were 96's and 95's. I had a 97.
And Toyota would not give us any of the money back we paid for repairs in April because I didn't get a letter in March like other people did and also, they wouldn't pay us for the rust we took care of.
And I complained and for a week was pestered by Toyota to turn the truck over. Yes, they probbaly can make life miserble for you and if you don't carry insurance here in the US its against the law not to have liability insurance. You can drive with no colllision and pay yourself for damage but you can lose your DL if you don't carry basic liability if you should cause an accident. Please do look up my postings on the Hyundai board too.
And then remember.... I was stressed over my truck, now I am double stressed.
My husband was almost killed 3 weeks ago because of a manufacturer defect and the car he was driving is the same kind I am driving. I bought it with my money from Toyota and he liked it so much he went and bought one. And was almost killed. And I am driving a time bomb right now waiting for the same thing to happen to me and there is nothing I can do till it happens.
The regional rep from Toyota told me that length of ownership is now being taken into consideration. My service manager said that owners of trucks purchased after the buyback program was announced may only be offered what they paid, as the timing seems suspicious.
I took my 2001 to my dealer on July 3 and called Toyota the same day, as directed by my service manager. My truck was inspected (and failed) July 16. Now I'm waiting for an offer....
I had a 00 with only 2 years left of payments. They buy it back, give me 14k, I am now literally forced to buy a " tricked out" Tacoma, at 29k, they give 1k incentive, I use my buyback $$ to place a good chunk down, I finance the rest....... hmmmm, through Toyota MOtor credit, hmmmmm they give me a LOUSY interest rate
( FICO is 711, no lates etc) nahhhhhhhh, Toyota is making out good, by the time I pay off this loan with the crappy interest rate.... I really got NOTHING. Dealers have ZERO incentives to sell on the Tacomas, they are pushing Tundras.
Dont get me wrong, I was lucky to find an 09 Barcelona Red 4x4 auto, full cab, SR5, but was happy without all the whistles and bells of my old one... and I am now in severe debt!!!
What is 'ISG?' I thought offers were being mailed....
For anyone that is getting a hard time from Toyota in terms of the Toyota Tacoma Frames rusting out please try this website The Center for Auto Safety It has alot of valuable information on it and you can file a complaint if you wish. Another website is Home | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA) | U.S. Department of Transportation file a complaint and they will start investigating your complaint. Hopefully this can help alot get many of these defective vehicles off the road and correct corporate irresponsibility. If you would like email me at mrmattz88@gmail.com
Thanks
http://www.allworldauto.com/comments/TOYOTA_TACOMA_comments_and_complaints_202-2- - - 109-4.html
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/slideshow/news/15876993/detail.html
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/15879699/detail.html
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15877183/detail.html
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/toyota-offers-to-buy-back-rusty-tacom- - - as/
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/investigative/16192222/detail.html
http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpMgeIbQ_TacomaCustomerSupportProgram.pdf
I dread it so bad. I have been reading your posts for a few days and it's been a big help to me. So, I joined up to this forum today.
I looked under the truck but I don't see anything right off, but I bet they will. I love my truck so much I just don't know what I'll do if it is rejected. I hate the thought of going in debt again.
Will they let you keep your wheels and tires? How about the bug gard and the window wind gaurds? In other words can I strip it down and keep what I want?
I wish I had gone in back in early june because I'm off all summer since school is out, I'm a lunch lady...lol.
Now I'm scared about wrecking, so I'm doing it now.
I was told by ISG if I didn't hear in 5 days about getting the check to call them back as they cut a check the day after they got my offer signed and she had the check from them overnighted to her. That was the earliest she could meet me. I would think you are going to hear by Wed from the person with your check.
And they are not going to get mad if about when you meet them as you are being inconvienced. They are going out of their way to make you feel like you are being treated with the upmost respect as they want you to take that check and buy another Toyota. They gave me a certificate good for $1000 off a truck or $500 off a new/used Toyota car only too when they gave me my check.
If they don't get in touch about meeting with the check by Wed, call ISG and tell them. I would take the rental on vacation. Heck... tell them you can't make it the day they want. As you probably won't get your check before Aug 1 unless by some miracle. And put the darn miles on their vehicle... I bought a new vehicle the week after they took my truck and drove their rental until I had the check in my hand. I wasn't about to put miles on my new vehicle when I had a free rental with unlimited mileage. Did they give you a truck as a rental? As they tried to give me a new 4 x 4 and I told the guy was he going to give me a step ladder too to get in and out of it....hahaha I ended up with a Scion XB. Hated it. Had a worst bench to sit on then my Taco had. My Taco had great seats. This Scion was hard as a rock almost to sit on. But I used it for everyplace local to go.
I had turned in a 2 x 4 extend cab. And told him how the heck did he think I could get in and out of that 4 x 4. I hear the 4 x 4 Tundra is a gas hog too. The girl at my bank lost her Toyota and they gave her one of those to rent till her check comes in. She told me there is no way her husband will get a new Tundra. She said it rides great but really is a super gas hog.
Just want to know if anyone with 2001 tacoma have frame rot? I see lots of rust on mine mostly around welded areas. Need some help on what I should do next. Thanx
i took my case all the way to toyota corparate because i had factory itiems like lock diff, a $700 convienance package that KBB did not give any credit for and a fibor glass cap that was worth more than the $100 credit KBB assigned it.
toyota corp said you are getting 1.5 X KBB; take or leave it chump. my insurance adgent and the national transpertation board both told me, drive this truck after you have been told its bad, get into an accedent and YOU are the liable one
I am really getting sick of the eletist, snobby stuck up attitude I am getting up and down the line in this mess. the dealer's lie to you about what they can.and can't do in getting you into another truck.
This is beginning to smell like a master plan from toyota corparate. Buy back these trucks for at times no more than their true value, get $500 for scrap, up the price of new trucks 5.1%, only put loaded trucks on the lot to choise from, give no rebate on the lower $ truck ($4000 on the tundra hog), don't let the customer order or get a truck from out of the "region", unfavorable financing compareed to other brands, 0 concideration if the greaved customer wonts to buy a Pries or Scion (only 500 off sticker on another Toyota product). The toyota corp is not the great guy their marketing gurus hav emade them out to be.
Safe decision: find a much newer or different brand of truck than the recalled Tacomas.
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My Tacoma had 222,115 miles. I had just put my third set of tires on in March. My next step was to go on line to KBB.com the retail price in excellent condition is $9375 x 1.5 ISG is giving me $14,062.00 + $1000 if I buy a new Toyota.
Also on KBB.COM I used the Internet dealer price search. It turned out my local Toyota dealer had the best price for a new 2008 TRD Off Road Tacoma Model code 7553. Retail was $28,379.00 with out tax and all the charges. With the $2000 rebate out the door with tax and all $23,126.00 if you minus the 14k & 1k from ISG & Toyota my new TRD cost me $8,064.00.
I’M A VERY HAPPY WITH A NEW 2008 TRD TACOMA.
kcram - Pickups Host
Because I don't have the time or energy to spend on this exercise, and because all of those who were notified earlier than me and able to get officially inspected and rejected have sucked up most of the available used Toyota inventory within a 300-mile radius of Vermont, I am now the un-proud owner of a 2006 Ford (!) Ranger, V6 with the potential for ABS problems. Although on the face of it I may have been left with some cash, it is greatly diminished and almost disappears when my time involved is calculated as well as the miles I have driven (I refused to let them have my Toyota on inspection day) looking for a different vehicle. The annoyance factor, lower mpg and the increased insurance premiums take up the rest and more. (By the way, supposedly the dealer was to make me sign a waiver when I left the lot, but I was asked to sign nothing).
Last week I spoke with Clarence Ditlow of the Center for Auto Safety (see their website autosafety.org), and he is aware that this is not a good thing. Although it would appear that Toyota is stepping up to the plate, between refusing to call this a recall and literally leaving people stranded at the dealer when the truck is turned in (and mine is 40 miles away), they have made an awful mess of things. (This doesn't even count the 2000-year plus vehicles which have rust problems). Everyone seems to think that because they provide rentals that that makes up for everything, but taking the rental away and leaving you wondering how to get home after they hand you the check isn't my idea of good public relations.
I've also heard, although I haven't verified it, that if you ignore them after they tell you you have perforation and get the frame fixed on your own, your title then becomes a salvage title, which greatly diminishes the value of the vehicle. (The increased warranty apparently only applies if no perforation is found now). It is apparently also true that if you continue to drive the vehicle and get into an accident even your insurance company won't cover you. Therefore you are FORCED to resell it to Toyota and suffer their repeated overnight mail which barely gives you time to find a copy center and call UPS or, heaven forbid, be out of town during this process.
I've owned Toys for 27 years (put a wooden bed on my '90 when it rusted out), but I'm not sure I will again. They seem to be going downhill fast, and I'm sorely disappointed to be receiving somewhat threatening letters without provocation. No "thanks for being a loyal customer," no "gee, we're sorry to put you through this and we'll help you find a different vehicle to suit your needs, even if it's not a Toyota," just a hired gun (Impartial Services) whose staff don't seem to talk to each other. And they don't even include their email address when they say that you can return things by email. Rushing a bit? Not too well thought out?
Taking on Toyota would be a big job, but there has to be a law firm interested if they only knew the extent of the problem. I just noticed that on the Center for Auto Safety's website (autosafety.org) there is a place to file a complaint and indicate your interest in a class action suit, but because of all of the contact information which is published I'd recommend that you not file your complaint until you've cashed your check. There aren't alot of complaints listed, so people may not know about the site, but I think that if hundreds of people complained a law firm might take notice...even those with model years beyond 2000 should complain.
I am not litigious by nature, but this is appalling. Clearly there is a safety issue here -- I don't argue with that -- but if Toyota wants to survive in this economic climate (and some of us still need trucks), they need to be more accomodating at least. And as one person pointed out on another blog, Toyota MUST have known about this for several years -- so why did it take so long to go public? A recall would have been instantaneous, and more honest.
As far as I can tell I've signed nothing that waives my right to sue, so I'm game. Thanks for listening, I needed to vent.
Unhappy in Vermont
This is a headache all the way around for some of us. Because of the way the buyback program is designed and being implemented, some people are faring better than others, but most are forgetting, I suspect, to factor in their own time expended.
I challenge any automobile manufacturer to come up with an affordable (no bells and whistles) four wheel drive long bed truck with good MPG. Just a truck. Do it. I suspect you'll have a lot of takers. Not all of us live in a city with mass transit, or want a status symbol. Just a reliable truck that will last.
Dealers don't want to deal with it. The first one I called said they did not know what I was talking about. Funny thing that dealer gave me the best price on my new one.
As for buying a 1999 Taco, it too is going to have the 15 yr corrossion warranty on it. And read about the one guy who passed inspection and then 2 months later had holes. Any truck being bought after March is not going to qualify for 150% buyback if it developes holes in the next year or so. Toyota already said any of the affected years will not be qualified. And dealers are not supposed to sell them and if you buy privately they are going to pro-rate any money if a hole crops up. The x-owner is going to get some of the money.
I say look for a truck that won't give you this potential headache.
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