Thanks for the help everyone. They promise to mail me back the owner manual and ask me to drive back to have radio reset. But, I guess I am still missing the warranty booklet. So the owner manual and warranty booklet is separated? Not all in the same booklet? I hope my warranty will still be valid. BTW, one thing I am not sure, if the radio code is located on the back of the equip, what's the point to have a anti-thef system? just my 2 cents
automatic, Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I went out and bought a pair of tire chains before I saw your post. I decided to trust the auto part store people and bought the cable chain they had (without the rubber tensioner). Hopefully, I'll never need to actually use the chain.
if the radio code is located on the back of the equip, what's the point to have a anti-thef system?
The security code isn't on the back of the head unit. But the dealer can take the serial number off the back of the head unit and look up the security code in the Honda database.
1. Manual, 2. Warranty booklet, 3. Manual Digest (small handy booklet), 4. Card with Radio Code, 5. 3 sets of keys (including one valet key), 6. Wrenches for the spare tire, crank-tool for sunroof, black plastic gadget for back door, a jack. Hope I listed everything.
I admit it: I have absolutely no aptitude for spatial relations.
We are considering the purchase of an '05 CR-V, and I'm trying to figure out just how much we can reasonably carry in the cargo area (which I cannot seem to deduce despite my having seen the car with my own eyes).
I'm confused by the stated cargo capacity of 33.5 cubic feet, because it's not clear to me whether or not that implies that the entire cargo bay is filled up, thereby obscuring vision out of the rearview mirror.
Suppose that we a) have passengers in the rear seats (so that we can't fold up those seats) and b) have the optional cargo cover in place (so that we can see out of the back of the car).
How would the capacity of the '05 CR-V cargo area compare with, let's say, the trunk of a Camry (which I'm told has a good-sized trunk)?
Even those volume figures can be misleading because it says nothing about the shape of the area.
My suggestion is to take a couple of suitcases and maybe a stroller (if you have kids) and test it out with your "stuff". Maybe a few empty boxes that hold beer cases.
You can leave the beer at my house. )
CR does a "biggest box" test which is useful, but even that folds the seats down. They also test to see how many suitcases and duffle bags fit, which might be more useful to you.
"Suppose that we a) have passengers in the rear seats (so that we can't fold up those seats) and b) have the optional cargo cover in place (so that we can see out of the back of the car)."
With those criteria, you are significantly handicapping any wagon-style vehicle. So, I would go with the Camry. While an SUV/wagon might have more volume (maybe 14-16 cu.ft.), the shape of the Camry trunk would allow for longer and more oddly shaped objects.
Something you might try with the CR-V is taking out the picnic table from under the rug. Then you can fit duffles or whatever into the floor and stack on top of them. I do that with backpacks to keep them low in the cargo hold and away from my field of view.
"How would the capacity of the '05 CR-V cargo area compare with, let's say, the trunk of a Camry (which I'm told has a good-sized trunk)?"
It also depends upon how far forward you put the rear seats. There is about 40 cu feet of space behind the rear seats when they are slid completely forward, about 34 cu ft when they are slid compeletely to the rear. Of course, you are sacrificing rear leg room for that cargo room! I stack mine to the ceiling when needed (lightest stuff on top, coats & etc) and use the side mirrors, though I've never actually gotten all the way to the top - I can still see through the rear window. I put the sliding cover on the floor (there is a holder for it built into the vehicle). I also keep a lot of the basic gear (first aid kit, etc), in the wheel well, which saves a lot of space.
With the rear cargo cover in place, it is about the cu ft of a Camry (16 ft), or larger (20 cu ft) with the rear seats forward, but (as noted in this thread before), the Camry has a longer and wider space (but shorter vertically), which may be more useful for large suitcases & etc. However the CR-V has the capability of loading up to 73 Cu Ft behind the front seats (don't try that with a Camry).
Oh god, beside 2 sets of key. I got nothing else but the car. I guess I am a feaking stupid consumer. BTW, the card with radio code. Is that a simple paper card with code and it is some kind of hi-tech computer manu card with the code program on it? Oh man, I am so pissed.
It's a little plastic card about the size of a credit card, but very thin. It has the Honda logo on the front and says Anti-Theft Radio Identification Card in English and French. It has a small sticker with the Code Number and Serial Number. On the back are instructions about entering the code number (also in English and French).
Oh I know, I just wanted to remind people to fasten things down since it's the season where everyone is out buying gifts. :-)
Mazda has a neat roll out screen on the 6 wagon to seperate the cargo area, I wish other manufacturers would copy the idea. I think Volvo has something similar also.
Your solution to my original question (while strictly speaking, not the most practical), was certainly the funniest (thanks for the laugh).
Thanks to everyone for the information regarding the cargo space. I think that we'll need to put the stroller in it and a couple of (empty) pieces of luggage and see how it feels.
We might end up getting a Highlander instead if we really feel that the cargo area of the CR-V is too small (the Pilot is too big for our taste).
Well, I'm not familiar with what you can fit into a camry, but I'll tell you what I fit into the back of my CR-V on a road trip to the beach in August. I had two adult men riding in the back seat, so we had only the remaining cargo room in the back to work with (which I think is what you are concerned with).
We fit: - 2 medium sized suitcases - 2 large duffel bags - a large cooler - 3 boogie boards - 1 medium duffel bag - Several grocery bags of food (we actually tucked as many of these into the "pit" as possible by lifting up the card table and storing the bags underneath it) - A box of bottled water (probably the 24 pack?) - many other things we randomly stuffed where it would fit, such as pillows, towels and shoes
It definitely took some strategic packing, but I was amazed at how much stuff I could fit into that rear space. And my rear view was only partially blocked (probably no more than the head rests block the view!), I could still see out the back. I don't think I could have ever fit that stuff in a sedan, and it is obviously a more roomy ride for everyone, too!
Although I did stuff ungodly amounts of things in my 1991 Civic when I was moving to/coming home from college. Maybe I'm just a good packer...
Good idea, just include whatever tongue weight you have in the total payload calculation. If you have 200 lbs back there you should subtract that from the usable payload inside.
We went to Virginia Beach... the waves were good, but nothing like I've seen on the west coast.
The boogie boards were brought along as a throwback to our childhoods. We showed up at the beach with two boards and left with three (one of my friends couldn't resist buying one for himself).
We did have fun catching some of the waves, though...
I love my Subaru Forester (2003 XS 5-speed), but also am very impressed with what I see/read/hear about the CRV.
Drove an EX Automatic last weekend; VERY impressed! Great interior room, quality materials, more storage and more elbow room for drivers.
I do have a couple of questions for the Experienced:
- My commute is about 100 miles a day. Anybody have real world experience with the highway mileage with the 5-speed automatic in the 05 CRV? EPA says 27mpg... what are you seeing?
- What about the Real-Time 4WD? The Forester is AWD, and adjusts torque if any of the wheels slips. The CRV is Front-drive until a wheel slips? Then kicks into 4-wheel? In 4WD, is it 50/50 front/rear, or does it adjust? I bought into the 'pro-active' sales pitch by Subaru; but it seems like many smaller SUV's have a similar automatic system for All-Wheel Drive. Will I even notice it working?
- Pricing/Negotiations: I can get an EX Automatic for $500 over dealer invoice, which seems ok.
The dealer touts a "Tires For Life" program, which they say is worth up to $1,000 in tires. My thought is that I will want to replace my tires before they think it's needed; plus I will probably opt up to Goodrich Traction T/As or another brand that's better than the Duellers that come on the CRV.
I'll propose that they keep their "Tires For Life" offer - and sell me the car for cash at the dealer invoice.
= = =
Any thoughts and input (especially from former Forester drivers) is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!!
Martin
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I'm targeting my questions towards current generation CR-V owners (automatic tranny). Can anybody shed some light on the following:
A. Passing power: How does the CR-V perform in passing situations? Does it dog out or is it capable (by capable I don't mean quick as a bullet I mean is it comfortable or is it a major exercise in forward planning)?
B. The 05 has a 5 speed tranny, can anybody comment on the passing power w/ the 5 speed auto?
C. AC: Honda usually has a bad rap for underpowered AC in its 4 bangers (our 04 Civic is borderline acceptable when its warm). How does your AC perform?
D. Noise: I've heard things get noisy in there; any feedback?
A: Passing power is "acceptable", though everyone has a diff def of that; it is,imo, the slowest accelerating car from 50ish to 75ish I've ever owned besides my ol'68 VW back in the days. Some of the zealots here will rave about it's "power": it is jes'ok on the flats and requires some planning on inclines. Once the tranny gets it into the 4G rpm range+, things start to happen.
C: A/C is ok; like many oriental based cars the coolness and output is somewhat dependent on "moving": in stop and go it's a bit slack in terms of "coolness". Weird: on mine, HVAC tube constantly condenses and drips with A/C on, into the glove box. The genius Stlr has had 3 cracks at it w/no fix.
D:Noise...I'm the near solo critic here of the considerable highway noise generated by tires,etc.,huge wheel wells and very slim insulation,(though I've gone Plus1 wheel size w/diff tire and some slight improvement). It simply Drones at hwy speeds. My Vette w/Borla stingers, notoriously loud, is less intrusive at cruise speeds, imo. If you test drive one, find a used one w/worn tires for a real world effect.
Good commuter/errand car or...kinda third worldish,imo. Maybe the '05s address some of the weak spots. GL,md
MPG will vary. Some owners have gotten 30 mpg on highway-only trips with the 2002-2004 models. Others have much not much better than 23 on the highway. It depends on your driving style.
If you keep your speed down under 70mph and drive "smooth", you should be able to get 27 mpg on a regular basis.
The CR-V's AWD system is adequate for most conditions. The Subaru system is "better" when it comes to moving you forward, but there are other pros and cons for AWD performance. I would say that a major advantage for the CR-V is the fact that it includes stability control and traction control as standard equipment. These systems not only help you move forward, they help prevent skids and keep you pointed in the right direction when braking. AWD only helps when you have your foot on the gas.
The RAV4 also has stability control as standard equipment, and a few other small SUVs have it as an option on higher trim levels. Keep an eye out for it as you shop around.
In regard to the "Tires For Life" program, I'd say skip it. The stock Duellers for the CR-V are not very good. The stock BFGs are better, but still not great (if those are still offered).
Passing power is fine for most drivers, but, again, it depends very much on your driving style. Take a test drive. You are the only one who can determine what is good enough for you.
The A/C is fine. But the CR-V has more interior volume than most sedans. That means it takes a while to cool down the entire vehicle.
Noise is a legitimate issue. Especially with the Dueller tires mentioned above. Engine noise is not a problem. Wind noise is okay. But the road noise is too much for many drivers. Again, take a test drive and see how your ears feel about it.
Just a note - the CR-V I just bought had Dunlop tires (can't recall the exact model) installed, not the Bridgestone ones. I don't find my CR-V noisy at all...
I have a 02 V and I might have misplaced the Anti-Theft Radio Identification Card, how can I get the radio codes? will the dealer be able to help. greetings fig.
Well, winter has officially kicked into gear here in upstate NY. I came out to find my CRV buried in snow yesterday morning... took a while to brush it off, definitely sucked.
So I was thinking about an automatic car starter... any of you have one installed in your CR-V? This is probably an irrelevant question for those who live in warm climates, but any of you cold-weather folks?
Will any brand be just fine? What are the prices on these things, with installation?
Hi, Can anyone tell me a good place to purchase a cargo net for the back of my V? When I load groceries or anything else in the back, it is so large, that things just roll all over the place. (I am not a crazy driver). A friend has a net that stretches to allow you to put grocery bags and other things in it and it hold things in place so nicely. I know the dealership sells them, but they are very expensive. Any ideas?
Has anybody had a chance to drive the 2? Is there a perceptible differance? How about RPM's at crusing (70mph or so)? Is the pickup any better?
The 5spd Auto Tranny is a big upgrade in my eyes. I intend to test it out soon, however I know my dealer has no 04's left for me to draw my own comparison.
I second you on this. If we know that options such as ABS, airbags (side and front), stability control, etc, save lives and/or prevent serious injuries and accidents, why are they options? Are seat belts optional? No, because federal and state governments passed laws which ultimately resulted in the manufacturer putting these in all cars, and also enforcing the public to use them.
All I know is this. I tried desperately to try and find a base, or lower end 04 Toyota 4Runner with side airbags. Good luck... Toyota (at least the Northeast Toyota dealers) only package side curtain airbags on their Limited model 4Runners. Why the heck is Toyota packaging their vehicles this way? I was looking at buying a 28-30K 4Runner, but Toyota was forcing me to pay another 5-7K so I can get the safety features that I want.. No thanks, and see you later. I had similar problems with the local Nissan dealers when I was purchasing my Altima a few years ago.
I applaud manufacturers like Subaru that make all of these features standard. Good for them.
Honda's CR-V sport utility vehicle will be made for the first time in the United States at one of two Ohio plants, the sites of five other Honda vehicles.
I wonder if the Euro CR-V will be made in USA and exported? I'd love to have a CR-V with diesel.
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I went out and bought a pair of tire chains before I saw your post. I decided to trust the auto part store people and bought the cable chain they had (without the rubber tensioner). Hopefully, I'll never need to actually use the chain.
The security code isn't on the back of the head unit. But the dealer can take the serial number off the back of the head unit and look up the security code in the Honda database.
2. Warranty booklet,
3. Manual Digest (small handy booklet),
4. Card with Radio Code,
5. 3 sets of keys (including one valet key),
6. Wrenches for the spare tire, crank-tool for
sunroof, black plastic gadget for back door,
a jack.
Hope I listed everything.
We are considering the purchase of an '05 CR-V, and I'm trying to figure out just how much we can reasonably carry in the cargo area (which I cannot seem to deduce despite my having seen the car with my own eyes).
I'm confused by the stated cargo capacity of 33.5 cubic feet, because it's not clear to me whether or not that implies that the entire cargo bay is filled up, thereby obscuring vision out of the rearview mirror.
Suppose that we a) have passengers in the rear seats (so that we can't fold up those seats) and b) have the optional cargo cover in place (so that we can see out of the back of the car).
How would the capacity of the '05 CR-V cargo area compare with, let's say, the trunk of a Camry (which I'm told has a good-sized trunk)?
SDE
My suggestion is to take a couple of suitcases and maybe a stroller (if you have kids) and test it out with your "stuff". Maybe a few empty boxes that hold beer cases.
You can leave the beer at my house.
CR does a "biggest box" test which is useful, but even that folds the seats down. They also test to see how many suitcases and duffle bags fit, which might be more useful to you.
So I'd check CR. The May 2002 issue.
-juice
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It's funny because for some cars the numbers are different when you get a moonroof. So that indentation in the ceiling supposedly robs cargo space!
But not in the real world...
-juice
With those criteria, you are significantly handicapping any wagon-style vehicle. So, I would go with the Camry. While an SUV/wagon might have more volume (maybe 14-16 cu.ft.), the shape of the Camry trunk would allow for longer and more oddly shaped objects.
Something you might try with the CR-V is taking out the picnic table from under the rug. Then you can fit duffles or whatever into the floor and stack on top of them. I do that with backpacks to keep them low in the cargo hold and away from my field of view.
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It also depends upon how far forward you put the rear seats. There is about 40 cu feet of space behind the rear seats when they are slid completely forward, about 34 cu ft when they are slid compeletely to the rear. Of course, you are sacrificing rear leg room for that cargo room! I stack mine to the ceiling when needed (lightest stuff on top, coats & etc) and use the side mirrors, though I've never actually gotten all the way to the top - I can still see through the rear window. I put the sliding cover on the floor (there is a holder for it built into the vehicle). I also keep a lot of the basic gear (first aid kit, etc), in the wheel well, which saves a lot of space.
With the rear cargo cover in place, it is about the cu ft of a Camry (16 ft), or larger (20 cu ft) with the rear seats forward, but (as noted in this thread before), the Camry has a longer and wider space (but shorter vertically), which may be more useful for large suitcases & etc. However the CR-V has the capability of loading up to 73 Cu Ft behind the front seats (don't try that with a Camry).
At least fasten cargo down with a bungee cord or something.
-juice
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Mazda has a neat roll out screen on the 6 wagon to seperate the cargo area, I wish other manufacturers would copy the idea. I think Volvo has something similar also.
-juice
Your solution to my original question (while strictly speaking, not the most practical), was certainly the funniest (thanks for the laugh).
Thanks to everyone for the information regarding the cargo space. I think that we'll need to put the stroller in it and a couple of (empty) pieces of luggage and see how it feels.
We might end up getting a Highlander instead if we really feel that the cargo area of the CR-V is too small (the Pilot is too big for our taste).
SDE
-juice
We fit:
- 2 medium sized suitcases
- 2 large duffel bags
- a large cooler
- 3 boogie boards
- 1 medium duffel bag
- Several grocery bags of food (we actually tucked as many of these into the "pit" as possible by lifting up the card table and storing the bags underneath it)
- A box of bottled water (probably the 24 pack?)
- many other things we randomly stuffed where it would fit, such as pillows, towels and shoes
It definitely took some strategic packing, but I was amazed at how much stuff I could fit into that rear space. And my rear view was only partially blocked (probably no more than the head rests block the view!), I could still see out the back. I don't think I could have ever fit that stuff in a sedan, and it is obviously a more roomy ride for everyone, too!
Although I did stuff ungodly amounts of things in my 1991 Civic when I was moving to/coming home from college. Maybe I'm just a good packer...
-juice
-juice
The boogie boards were brought along as a throwback to our childhoods. We showed up at the beach with two boards and left with three (one of my friends couldn't resist buying one for himself).
We did have fun catching some of the waves, though...
Drove an EX Automatic last weekend; VERY impressed! Great interior room, quality materials, more storage and more elbow room for drivers.
I do have a couple of questions for the Experienced:
- My commute is about 100 miles a day. Anybody have real world experience with the highway mileage with the 5-speed automatic in the 05 CRV? EPA says 27mpg... what are you seeing?
- What about the Real-Time 4WD? The Forester is AWD, and adjusts torque if any of the wheels slips. The CRV is Front-drive until a wheel slips? Then kicks into 4-wheel? In 4WD, is it 50/50 front/rear, or does it adjust? I bought into the 'pro-active' sales pitch by Subaru; but it seems like many smaller SUV's have a similar automatic system for All-Wheel Drive. Will I even notice it working?
- Pricing/Negotiations: I can get an EX Automatic for $500 over dealer invoice, which seems ok.
The dealer touts a "Tires For Life" program, which they say is worth up to $1,000 in tires. My thought is that I will want to replace my tires before they think it's needed; plus I will probably opt up to Goodrich Traction T/As or another brand that's better than the Duellers that come on the CRV.
I'll propose that they keep their "Tires For Life" offer - and sell me the car for cash at the dealer invoice.
= = =
Any thoughts and input (especially from former Forester drivers) is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!!
Martin
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I'm targeting my questions towards current generation CR-V owners (automatic tranny). Can anybody shed some light on the following:
A. Passing power: How does the CR-V perform in passing situations? Does it dog out or is it capable (by capable I don't mean quick as a bullet I mean is it comfortable or is it a major exercise in forward planning)?
B. The 05 has a 5 speed tranny, can anybody comment on the passing power w/ the 5 speed auto?
C. AC: Honda usually has a bad rap for underpowered AC in its 4 bangers (our 04 Civic is borderline acceptable when its warm). How does your AC perform?
D. Noise: I've heard things get noisy in there; any feedback?
Thanks a bunch !!!
Jopopsy
C: A/C is ok; like many oriental based cars the coolness and output is somewhat dependent on "moving": in stop and go it's a bit slack in terms of "coolness". Weird: on mine, HVAC tube constantly condenses and drips with A/C on, into the glove box. The genius Stlr has had 3 cracks at it w/no fix.
D:Noise...I'm the near solo critic here of the considerable highway noise generated by tires,etc.,huge wheel wells and very slim insulation,(though I've gone Plus1 wheel size w/diff tire and some slight improvement). It simply Drones at hwy speeds. My Vette w/Borla stingers, notoriously loud, is less intrusive at cruise speeds, imo. If you test drive one, find a used one w/worn tires for a real world effect.
Good commuter/errand car or...kinda third worldish,imo. Maybe the '05s address some of the weak spots.
GL,md
-juice
If you keep your speed down under 70mph and drive "smooth", you should be able to get 27 mpg on a regular basis.
The CR-V's AWD system is adequate for most conditions. The Subaru system is "better" when it comes to moving you forward, but there are other pros and cons for AWD performance. I would say that a major advantage for the CR-V is the fact that it includes stability control and traction control as standard equipment. These systems not only help you move forward, they help prevent skids and keep you pointed in the right direction when braking. AWD only helps when you have your foot on the gas.
The RAV4 also has stability control as standard equipment, and a few other small SUVs have it as an option on higher trim levels. Keep an eye out for it as you shop around.
In regard to the "Tires For Life" program, I'd say skip it. The stock Duellers for the CR-V are not very good. The stock BFGs are better, but still not great (if those are still offered).
Their costs for it are probably minimal, so don't expect a discount for opting out of it.
regards,
kyfdx
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The A/C is fine. But the CR-V has more interior volume than most sedans. That means it takes a while to cool down the entire vehicle.
Noise is a legitimate issue. Especially with the Dueller tires mentioned above. Engine noise is not a problem. Wind noise is okay. But the road noise is too much for many drivers. Again, take a test drive and see how your ears feel about it.
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Buyers shouldn't have to choose safety from an option list
Bingo, I've been saying this all along.
-juice
What he's really saying is that buyers cannot be trusted with making that choice. So the manufacturers should make it for them.
shocking, no? ;-)
Make it standard and then spread the costs so it's affordable for everyone.
Options should include Nav systems, not must-haves like safety gear. What if they had made crumple zones optional? Or roll bars in a Jeep Wrangler?
-juice
So I was thinking about an automatic car starter... any of you have one installed in your CR-V? This is probably an irrelevant question for those who live in warm climates, but any of you cold-weather folks?
Will any brand be just fine? What are the prices on these things, with installation?
Maybe I'll have to ask Santa to bring me one...
Thanks.
Steve, Host
The 5spd Auto Tranny is a big upgrade in my eyes. I intend to test it out soon, however I know my dealer has no 04's left for me to draw my own comparison.
Jopopsy
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I second you on this. If we know that options such as ABS, airbags (side and front), stability control, etc, save lives and/or prevent serious injuries and accidents, why are they options? Are seat belts optional? No, because federal and state governments passed laws which ultimately resulted in the manufacturer putting these in all cars, and also enforcing the public to use them.
All I know is this. I tried desperately to try and find a base, or lower end 04 Toyota 4Runner with side airbags. Good luck... Toyota (at least the Northeast Toyota dealers) only package side curtain airbags on their Limited model 4Runners. Why the heck is Toyota packaging their vehicles this way? I was looking at buying a 28-30K 4Runner, but Toyota was forcing me to pay another 5-7K so I can get the safety features that I want.. No thanks, and see you later. I had similar problems with the local Nissan dealers when I was purchasing my Altima a few years ago.
I applaud manufacturers like Subaru that make all of these features standard. Good for them.
I wonder if the Euro CR-V will be made in USA and exported? I'd love to have a CR-V with diesel.
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