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You give up the availability of ABS with the Dana 44, so you have to decide which means more to you. I didn't mind forgoing the ABS in order to get the Dana 44, but that is up to you.
One thing I wish is that I had gotten the TracLoc with the Dana 44. Since I was already getting the Dana 44, the TracLoc would have only cost $285.00, and there are several people in here that have said that the TracLoc is real good for ice and snow. I didn't know how useful it was when I ordered Thelma.
If you would take the time to go back and read a lot of the old posts in here, you might get some real good tips on what options to get.
I think you get it anyway with the Sahara, but that subwoofer makes a huge difference in the sound quality of the radio. If you end up with a Sport, be sure you get one with the subwoofer, unless you are going to upgrade your sound system with after market stuff anyway.
tsjay
I think the sub comes standard on the sahara now..
we dont get much ice or snow here...just wondering if the DANA really is worth the money..
I'm gonna keep the factory stereo. just add a amp..& new speakers...
I'll keep you updated on the Mrs Saharanut progress
Keep huggin'
By the way tsjay, the dana 44 includes the trac-
loc. So if you have the dana 44 you already have a trac loc.
I wish you were right, but you do not automatically get the TracLoc with the Dana 44. You have to have the Dana 44 in order to get TracLoc, but if you want TracLoc, you have to order it and it is an additional $285.00.
You might be thinking if the package that calls for TracLoc, which means you get the Dana 44 AND TracLoc, which costs something like $585.00 (or something like that).
It IS confusing. But, believe me, if you get the Dana 44 as part of the Canyon wheel and 30" tire package, you don't get TracLoc unless you ask for it and pay the extra $285.00, which I wish I had done.
And I AM JEALOUS! Bumper deep snow!!! Man, would I love to take Thelma out in those conditions!
Hopefully, you will tell us more in the chat tonight.
Later, my friend.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
rs1157 - The rep I spoke with yesterday was not aware of any plant closings or slowdowns. However, it does seem odd that history had been somewhere in the 3-5 week range, and we'll be closer to 7. I think that we, along with tjy, are in the same batch heading through the plant right now.
saharanut - welcome to the group and good luck on getting the Jeep through purchasing.
-twylie
with the 30" tire group right...
how about ABS?...does that come with DANA?
Didnt know I needed a college degree to get a jeep.
thanx twylie
but that might change in the future...
is getting DANA my money's worth or should I stick to ABS then?
Thanx for the info
Terry
I just wasn't all that interested in ABS, and I wanted the heavier-duty rear end.
I DO know, tough, that you don't automatically get TracLoc with the Dana 44. You have to pay the extra $285.00.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
He said this is a sport/sahara combo.
Only available in black or silver..
Any comments?
I don't know anything about the 60th anniversary edition, but I would like to hear about it. Either of the colors sounds good.
Are they as willing to deal on those as they are on the regular Wranglers? You know there are some killer deals on Wranglers now and there's the $500 rebate.
tsjay
We had Volare, Jeepcrewzn, Tonkadave, Hosstj, Saharanut, and yours truly. (Sorry if I left anyone out) Where were the rest of you Jeepers?
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Make every day a topdown day!
Brian
30" tire & wheel group, embroidered floor mats, dual top & speed control...
had a great time at at the chat last night
hope we have more next week
see ya
thats about what i'm leaning to...
i'm really not planning to do any off-roading..
i'm not into spending 25,000 on a vehicle to muddy. Have you heard what the best ARP new jeeps are geeting now?..
Thanx again
saharanut
Now, that's all I can look at while I'm driving! Thank you very much!!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1426591&a=10683235
Get your butt back on the puter sometime and chat with your old buddy!
tsjay
had a great time in chat last night...
we need to get more folks next week!
Keep huggin your jeep
http://matchboxes.homestead.com/thelma.html
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
(sigh) well mybe someday..
Put me on your buddy list as "tjoh298765"
Or, look up my email address in my profile and email me.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I would second your opinion that unless you can identify a specific reason to need the heavier rear-end, you are better off with ABS. All virtues aside, the Wrangler is a somewhat touchy car and I think safety systems like ABS are a better investment than on on the typical "family" vehicle. I think ABS should be standard equipment and it's a shame it's not available with the Dana 44.
-cwk.
I picked up a set of auxiliary back-up lights I'd like to wire up. A few questions:
1. Any idea on whether doing this myself causes warranty issues? I know DC won't cover _my_ work, but it won't void anything else, will it?
2. I looked under the car and don't see any good ways to run power back from the engine area. So I'm thinking of trying to follow the path used to run the wires to the signal lights in back. Any ideas?
3. My fuse block has a lot of open space, and I'd like to try and use it b/c I like to keep things neat and professional. Has anybody here done this?
-cwk.
For a switch, you can pick up a factory fog lamp switch for less than $25 which will keep things looking very stock. I don't remember if you have a hard top and fog lights, but the location next to the ashtray will hold up to three switches.
The fuse block is also an option, but may not be neccesary if the phantom wires actually exist.
Of course, YMMV.
Good luck and tell us how it goes.
ATL was a killer top down day today. Sunny and 60.
-twylie
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
My current plan is to run some juice back from there to the lights, and wire a relay into my signals so that the aux's go on when my regular reverse lights go on. The main problem is figuring out _where_ to run the power wire: undercarriage offers nothing promising, and if I run through the interior, don't know where to start.
Shutup about the ATL weather, okay?
-cwk.
If I remember correctly, that makes her last few tanks 17.5, 18.0, 17.9, 17.9, and 19.0 from most recent backwards. I'm totally happy with that.
She has 4460 miles on her now. Still not a bit of trouble other than the bad spot on her hard top paint and the small paint run on her right rear corner. Chrysler paid for a complete repaint of the top, and the job turned out real well. They approved a repaint of the right rear corner section to fix the paint run, but I would rather keep the factory paint, and I am not worried about that small paint run.
I got a J.D. Power survey on Thelma, but I don't know how to rate her on things like ride smoothness, quiet, fuel economy, and stuff like that. Of course all of those things are terrible on a Jeep, but I knew that when I bought her. I can't see buying her knowing those things and then giving her a bad rating on a survey!
I LOVE my Thelma, and I don't want somebody reading my survey and thinking I am not satisfied with her. They really need a separate survey for Jeeps! They don't give you any room for commentary on the survey, well, just a little room in each section, but no place to put your overall feelings about the vehicle.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Knowing that, you bought it anyway, because it had other qualities which made up for those charcteristics. It would however be dishonest to suggest to others that Jeeps are not Jeeps.
That being said, all of those perceived negatives exist because the Wrangler is not built to be a family sedan or luxury SUV. Compared to a Defender or a Mog the Wrangler is a pretty darn civilized vehicle. Saying that a Wrangler rides a bit rough and noisy is different than suggesting a Chevy Cavalier rides rough and a bit noisy.
-cwk.
There wasn't even a category for the main reason that I bought Thelma... FUN! There was no place to explain that I EXPECTED low fuel economy, rough and noisy ride, etc., and that I was willing to live with those things in order to drive a Jeep.
It would be silly to rate a Jeep on a CAR survey.
There was no place to rate offroad capability. Now, so far, I have no experience offroading, but that's just another example of what I mean: this was a survey for PASSENGER CARS!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'd say if you feel so strongly, put a letter in with the survey saying that you think they need to adjust their ratings.
-cwk.
I agree that the undercarriage is a bad place for wiring, but pull out the torx bits and see where you can snake stuff under the TJ carpet.
I think we'll get the heavy electrical with the fog lights, so it's good to hear we'll have some space in the fuseblock. I saw an install where the poster installed a barrier strip from Radio Shack to give themselves a set of ground connections. I thought it was a great idea. I always end up unscrewing something in an effort to slip a ground wire behind a bracket. A dedicated ground strip eliminates one potential problem.
Wiring into the backup lights sounds good. I've found the "tie in" taps where you have a connector that splices into an existing wire work very well.
If it makes you feel any better, it's getting down to mid 30's tonight with rain for the next day or so... I'll try to refrain from rubbing in top down days if you'll avoid telling us how much fun it is to ride around in the snow...
t-minus 4 days to gettin' on the train.
-twylie
I made all the same points in my email as in my posts here.
They ask you to rate things on a scale of one to ten according to your opinion of how well your vehicle does in each of the categories.
Well, since this is subjective, I could rate Thelma's gas mileage as a ten, because she gets all that I was expecting. That's the problem with the survey. I could also rate her gas mileage as a one, compared to the overall average for all vehicles. It all depends on your perspective.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I feel like this is a great deal. Any suggestions?
Madman390
Like you, I'd like to see if my local dealer is interested in matching!
JeepnLongBeach
If you put the rebate back onto the price of $20,636.00, you are at $21,136.00, which is within $1000.00 of what I paid.
It is hard to compare deals on vehicles with different equipment- that's the reason you have to talk price in relation to invoice. According to posts in here, you ought to be able to buy your Jeep at invoice and still get the $500.00 rebate, so you can effectively buy at $500.00 below invoice.
I bought Thelma for $200.00 over invoice, which was about as good as anyone was doing back then. The rebate was not in effect yet, so I missed out on that. Theoretically, I could get the same Jeep now for $700.00 less with the rebate and all.
Take a look at Thelma's web page and read about my buying experience, if you are interested.
http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/thelma.html
Hope you get the best possible deal and enjoy your Jeep. I sure love my Jeep!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'm geeting closer..Mrs Saharanut..actually went to look at TJ's today....I really like the 60th anniversary edition...the interior is ALOT better than the Sahara...with the same Options..
I'll keep ya posted
T
Item Price
2001 Wrangler Sport 17543
D package 527
A/C 761
TRACLOC 242
ABS 510
Full Doors 106
Soft Top Tint 106
Sentry Key 64
Subwoofer 170
Side Steps 64
Fog Lights/Hooks 153
Trunk 106
Destination 585
Chrsler Fee 300
Rebate -500
Total 21,237
Their Price 20,537
Processing Fee 149
Total Sale Price 20,686
He was even kind enough to fax me the no kidding order form with the price clearly annotated. My dealer will have a hard time refuting it!
madman390
I can count at least 4 on the board that should get on the train this week. Fingers crossed!
I can honestly say I have never been as excited to get a new vehicle.
-twylie
Looks like we are in the same situation..
We need to get our wives together..then we sneak out to buy our TJ's...whatcha say?
SaharaNut
The tire pressure will be checked soon. Thelma has almost 4600 miles on her, and at 5000 she will get her first dose of Mobil 1. They will check the tire pressure then. Pressure was OK at her 2000 mile oil change.
I do need to check it between oil changes, though, cause keeping the right pressure will help gas mileage, no doubt.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?