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Now that I am not towing the truck seems to think it still is! Is it possible that the adaptive transmssion needs to adjust to the lighter load? The truck now kicks off hard shifts, like if it has a shift kit. I have not even tried tow/haul mode!
Does anyone know if this pf58 will hurt my engine I'll change it when I pick it up from the dealer today I's in for the ping-knock on the left side (see 1533 to keep it short)
thanks. andy
Just remember that after clearing the block learn it will shift funny until it learns your driving.
Site isnt working now but try later click on the link VIN DECODING on the right
Ryan
Maybe you're right, and we should compare to the 2500. At least the mileage would be closer.
Mike L
My apologies for severely understating the Toy sales.
I guess GM better go over to Toy and get some pointers on how to sell trucks.
Even the S-10 outsells the Tundra!!!
Mike L
Guess i got lucky. Oh yea they still stock them too
Ryan
Also, why does anyone even waste time discussing the silly little tundra with a Chevy. Isn't that kinda like comparing a man to a boy?
The sales figures show how few people accept it as a full size truck.
Then, after they figure out they paid too much they have to try and justify the purchase to everyone else.
My 2500 LS 4x4 cost less than the price of the Tundra reg cab 4x4. My 1500 cost way less.
Mike L
This is getting asinine. I pointed out in a different thread with quotes from Truck Trend that Toyota aims to sell 100,000 Tundras per year. And they have met that figure for 2000 and they are about to meet it for 2001 since in October Toyota had almost 90K units sold. Toyota has only one factory in Indiana specifically designed to produce Tundras and more recently Sequoias. The factory is working at full capacity.
Toyota is not out to sell more than the big three sell trucks. The primary aim is to establish a foothold in the full size truck market. That has been achieved. Later on Toyota will bring more variations on the Tundra and introduce crew cabs, diesels, bigger engines and make the Tundra larger.
Keep in mind that this truck has been in production for only two years. That is it. And it has become the most reliable full size truck on the market as CR and JD have shown. GM and Ford have been producing full size trucks for years and they still do not rival the reliability and the quality of the Tundra.
If you look at JD Power initial quality for the full size truck in 1999 you will find an F150. However, by 2000 and 2001 the Tundra has taken over.
"Then, after they figure out they paid too much they have to try and justify the purchase to everyone else."
How do you figure? I paid 25,700 for my truck out the door. I have a 4x2 with the all power package, CD/cassette/stereo and six speakers, LSD, fog lights, hitch package, Alloy wheels with 265/70/16 tires, Captain Chairs and floor mats.
Please price a comparably equipped Chevy Silverado for me. And please use the 5.3 L engine since you always use it to compare the rado to the tundra when it comes to towing and performance.
All I am trying to say is, I have worked the Relablity test lab, and the Big Three are the winners.
Jim
Peter
Chris
Man, you never give up do you. Look, I race cars for a hobby and I have been to racing school and all the instructors that I talked to hate ABS. One of them related an experience at Sebring when his 240SX Nissan hit a bump and because the wheel skipped on the road he lost all braking and went off the track.
Furthermore, new studies have shown that ABS is not as effective as at first believed. The accident rate for cars with ABS and those w/o ABS is virtually the same. There is not much of a difference.
Even some insurance companies have stopped giving ABS discounts.
Is this a 2002? And is the 24.9K with taxes+lic+fees?
Lastly, I'm sure you'll agree that the level and experience in braking would differ between a race instructor and a soccer mom. That being the case and in trying to stop a two and half ton truck vs a 240SX is entirely different, especially under the circumstances that they would be used. BTW, did the instructor habitually pump the ABS by mistake, forgetting that ABS would not work properly using his "pumping" technique?
My 2500 4x4 with 6.0L engine, AC, PS, 4wPDB, LSD, Forged Alloy Wheels, Foglights, Hi Cap Air Cleaner, PW, PDL, CD, Camper mirrors, CC, LT 'E' rated tires, skid plates, ABS, fender flares and more was $24,288.34 + CA Tax and License fees. Sure doesn't feel like I paid too much.
A 1500 is about $900 less. A 2wd is about $2000 less. Still seems like your trying to justify your overpriced purchase.
For reference, I paid $20,473.74 + T&L for my similarly equipped 99 1500 4x4. It didn't have the PW, Forged Alloy Wheels or Fender flares, but did have a sliding rear window.
You'll have better luck preaching to the converted (the Tundra group may believe you got a good deal).
Mike L
They're for maintaining control under hard braking because the wheels don't lock up.
Come back, obyone, and argue about ABS brakes when you do your homework and understand what they do.
Didn't you just imply that soccer moms are the ones driving two and a half ton trucks with ABS, and people who actually know how to drive are in Nissans?
Yeah, I'll agree. Mostly I see soccer moms driving those big Chevys. And if it's not a soccer mom behind the wheel, it's some little guy mini-tasking (or not tasking at all) his big truck.
I'm glad we finally see eye to eye on something, obyone.
No I didn't. that's your interpretation. If you read the previous post by ndahi12 you'd understand a whole lot better.
You said,"Come back, obyone, and argue about ABS brakes when you do your homework and understand what they do."
What is it that you don't understand about my post? What is there to argue about? AS a truck owner I would hope that you'd understand that an empty bed causes traction problems during hard braking. GM truck's have the Dynamic Brake Proportioning System which continuously monitors vehicle wheel speed while braking and balances front-to-rear brake pressure to ensure effective and predictable braking response, regardless of vehicle load and works in conjunction with the ABS.
I can see the frustration you must have with your truck. With a one star side impact rating, no ABS, and no brake proportioning system....must really be a bummer........
And you did say that ABS stops you faster. I notice you're not saying that anymore. That's good. I'm glad I clarified that for you, for your safety and others as well.
But Scout's Honor, that's what he said. If he never said ABS makes you stop faster, why did he wait so long to defend himself?
He now says he never made that statement because the post no longer exists, that's why. Clever, huh?
The Tundra stops quicker than the Silverado.
ABS does not help WEAK brakes!
thx.....john
-- Don
Scout's honor? lol
AND no comment on the Dynamic Brake Proportioning System? Something Toyota doesn't even offer. That is too funny........
Bama-
Pompoms? DOH!!
I just optioned a 2002 1500 Silverado Extended cab 4X2 to the same options that I had on my Tundra on Kelly Blue Book. My truck invoice price was 23,321. The Rado invoice was 26,928.
I also priced a rado 2002 1500 extended cab LT 4X2 at EDMUNDS with the options that you mentioned and I got 26,951 invoice. Again my truck invoiced at 23,321.
So how in the hell are you going to tell me that the rado is cheaper than the Tundra.
I will list the option group on my truck so you can double check. Please list the option group on a similar Rado truck
Tundra SR5 Access Cab 2WD 6 1/2 ft bed:
VP Convenience package
LD Limited Slip
CF Floor mats
LF fog lights
DH Towing system
DZ Deluxe Am/FM radio/cassette/cd w/6speakers
CC Captain Chairs
AL Alloy wheels w/265/70R16 M&S tires
Please list comparable options on a 2002 Rado and let us compare them.
http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releases/1996/pr121096.htm
Is that proof enough for you? This comes from the IIHS. I know your response: "they are biased because they rated the Tundra better than the F150 and the Rado in crash tests." LOL
Their trucks have epidemic problems with knocking engines, shaking steering columns, inferior brakes (even though they're 4 wheel disks), interiors that fall apart, etc. Chevy trucks consistently and continually are subjected to criticism in automotive reviews due to obvious build quality issues, and are always recommended as used vehicles to avoid. Heck, even Edmunds said their Sierra had almost TWICE as many problems as their Jeep, formerly their most problematic vehicle ever reviewed.
Go to the lemon trucks thread. Compare Chevy entries versus Toyota.
I wouldn't give up all hope, though. A few of those guys on the lemon trucks thread admitted to being die-hard Chevy fans, but the OBVIOUS crap GMC is producing, combined with their atrocious customer service, is forcing them to admit GMC = Garbage Motor Corporation.
But of course, you will always have the obyones and quadrunner500s in the world who, despite having new Chevy trucks in the shop for over 4 months, continue to swear by them.
Heck, why should we care? It's their money, not ours, right?
The Chevy boys only argument is their trucks are strong performers - when they run or don't fall apart, that is.
ndahi12-
The trim level between a rado LT and a Tundra SR5 in not comparable. You either need to drop the rado to the LS trim or upgrade the SR5 to a limited. Don't you know these things. Again, not compairing apples to apples....then of course their is the tow and hauling specifications which we know leaves the Tundra in the dust. It's not even worth looking up the prices when comparing a rado LT 2500 to the jounce bumper riding Tundra with only a couple of hundred pounds riding in the truck.
"We don't know why antilocks aren't producing the benefits many people expected," O'Neill says. "Drivers might feel overconfident and drive faster or take more risks. They might pump brakes or not hit the pedal hard enough so the antilock feature isn't activated. Drivers might react to pedal feedback from antilocks and ease off the brakes, which deactivates antilocks. Or they could be braking hard and wrenching the wheel in emergencies to avoid one type of crash while steering into another. It could be any of these, a combination, or something else. We need more study to find out why antilocks are impressive on the test track but not on the road."
Read the last line. It does tell the story. Sometimes you just can't save people from themselves now can you. So please reiterate your statement regarding ABS.
DOH!! Can't do that, can you? Tacoma was rated overall the safest compact truck!
For once, why don't you quit trying to skirt issues and comment on my post #1641?
DOH!! Can't do that, can you?
VP Convenience package
LD Limited Slip
CF Floor mats
LF fog lights
DH Towing system
DZ Deluxe Am/FM radio/cassette/cd w/6speakers
CC Captain Chairs
AL Alloy wheels w/265/70R16 M&S tires
Rear sliding window (standard)
Transmission cooler (standard)
HD Bilestin TRD shocks for $319. Yes the stock shocks SUCK on the Tundra.
Add the $319 to the 23,321 invoice and you get $23,640
Please price a comparably equipped Rado
It is amazing how you gave up on the main argument and latched on the test track one.
My original argument was that ABS has not proven its effectiveness.
The article clearly states that in the opening paragraph of the article. That makes the statment the THESIS (main) point:
"Cars with antilock brakes are more likely than cars without them to be in crashes fatal to their own occupants. In particular, antilock cars are more likely to be in fatal single-vehicle crashes. These are the findings of a new Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study comparing the fatal crash experience of cars with antilocks and otherwise identical models with regular brakes."
So I showed you the evidence and proved my point. Rather than be a man and say "you are right" you come back at me with the "ABS are impressive on the test track." Well pal, people do not drive on the test track, they drive on the road. That is what counts.
I showed you the evidence. Please admit that you are wrong.
What can you expect of somebody who thinks their new Chevy-in-the-shop-4+ months is the best truck there is?
It's true. His beloved Chevy has been in the shop 4+ months. Why do you think he never argues about that fact? He's posted links saying so.
From now on, I'll be at the Toyota boards. You Chevy "guys" are something else, LOL!
Pluto-
We have establised that you lie in the Tacoma vs. Ranger topic. We have nothing further to discuss. Why? Cause I can't waste my time discussing anything with someone who fabricates stories.
One last thing....if I discredit your links to a post or subject, it's only because it is flawed in the first place....I'm sure you'll agree on this one now!!
The reason I suggested that you price your own truck is to prevent an accusation of bias from you. But I will do it for you:
2002 Rado Extended Cab 1500 LS
* PCM Convenience Pkg., Electrical
(N/A Base) (Std. LT) Includes Inside Automatic Day/Night Mirror & Fog Lights.
* Z85 Suspension Pkg., H.D. Base, LS & LT 4WD
(Req's Tires-QCC or QCJ on 2WD Models)
* Z82 Trailering Equipment, Special H.D.
(N/A w/Suspension Pkg.-Z83) (Req's LR4 4.8L or LM7 5.3L Engine) Includes Platform Trailer Hitch, 7-Wire Trailer Harness, High Capacity Air Cleaner & Transmission Oil Cooling.
* G80 Axle, Limited Slip Rear
* UP0 Radio, AM/FM Stereo w/CD & Cassette
* A95 Seats, Bucket; LS w/Seat Trim-D
* PF9 Wheels, Polished Cast Aluminum
* QCC (5) P255/70R16 BSW
So what is the total invoice price of an LS Rado with the above options? 25,795. A Tundra with the same options is 23,640. That is $2,155 cheaper than the rado.
So you are wrong again. Wrong on the ABS and wrong on the Tundra being more expensive than a similarly equipped rado.
and, if the rado is only 2K more for a fullsized truck, why would anyone in their right mind pay so much for a mid-sized tundra?