Now when did I say there was no such thing as overkill??? What I'm saying is that adding the two more speakers to the system was overkill for a system that already sounded great! The only folks that will really benefit from the speakers up on the rear package shelf are the passengers in the back seat. If you're an audiophile, you would be more concerned with your front sound staging than anything else.
However, you are right...if it makes you happy, then by all means!!! I don't want the most toys, just give me the good ones!
Well, here goes my update on the installation of 4 door speakers and adding a 12" sub.
First of the 4 speakers were replaced to Front - Infinity Kappa 60.7CS Rear - Infinity Kappa 62.7i Amp - Orion HCCA-D1200 Sub - Orion HCCA 12D
The sub was placed where the spare wheel is located. (That's right no more spare tire). They built a box (fiberglass and wood) and it came out to 3.1 cubic feet. The floor was raised 3/4" to accommodate the wood placed on the floor. The sub was installed by the underside and the original carpet was glued over the wood. You cannot see the sub nor the 2x 4" ports. If I open the trunk you wouldn't even know there's a Sub there.
I picked up my car yesterday night and couldn't wait to get it. When i first step into the car the first song I played was (Smoothjazz - Brian Culbertson-When I Think of You) because it pounds and sounds good. My reaction was OMFG this is unreal!
The 4 speakers made a big difference to start with. Much more range, way better highs and mid lows. The sound is way more clear.
BUT...
The bass is out of this world! The box was tuned to 31HZ and let me tell you the bass is REALLY low. It does NOT pound (I don't like that) it rumbles and vibrates unbeleivable!!! There's MAJOR bass in my AZERA!
I drove for an hour and listened to all kinds of songs and then listened to more music for another 2 hours when I got home, I then went to bed, woke-up early this am and played a Golf tournament. As soon as I finished the game, I got in the car and listened to it all afternoon doing some final tweaking.
Overall I extremely satisfied with the sound and this with the Factory Radio!
Can't wait to get in my car to listen to more music!
That's my update.
Very, very happy. 43 years old and still love loud music and DEEP bass.
PS. I can't put pictures cause you can't see anything. Sorry
Went for a test drive in an Azera today and was mighty impressed.
Was glad to see that the audio system was MP3 capable. However, I have to make 6 hour drives between New Orleans and Houston and have gotten accustomed to listening to audiobooks or podcasts during the drive. The vehicle I drove had no cassette player.
I asked the salesman if there was any way to connect an audio jack to the system. The salesman said that they deal with an aftermarket shop that installs GPS and backup sensors, but he was not aware of any jacks being added to accomodate MP3 players.
Seems like a pretty trivial thing, but I've made this trip so many times since Hurricane Katrina that I don't know if I could hack with just radio, even if it is XM.
Anyone know of a way to hook in an MP3 player?
Can the XM be unhooked to provide an input or is it in the dash unit?
It is my understanding that the audio volume automatically increases and decreases based on the speed of the Azera. The volume level numbers do not change on mine as I go from stop to 70 mpg and I really cannot detect any volume change. Was my understanding wrong, is my Azera defective, or could it be that I need to see an audiologist?
I have yet to see any evidence the volume automatically increasing or decreasing. When I get on the freeway I have to manually increase the volume and I have to manually decrease the volume when I get off the freeway.
Good audio systems allow the user to turn on/off this "feature" through a menu.
my volume adjustment works just fine. You maynot notice it if you're blasting your music to begin with, but if you are playing it at a comfortable level you will notice that the volume goes does, say at a stop light, then when you pull off the volume will increase. :shades:
You can head to Radio Shack (or the like) and buy a cassette-pluggable or an FM-transmitting MP3 transmitter device which gets your MP3 music into the existing radio head unit.
Thanks, but it the one I drove didn't have a cassette.
The cassette adapter do work pretty well. I wouldn't have a problem using the cassette adapter, but from the best I can tell, they removed the cassette player when they added the XM as standard. I would be happy to be disabused of this notion. (Anyone else have any info on recent Azera's?)
To me, if that's what they did, it's a big marketing mistake, as so many people have ipods or competing players. Toyota is putting an audio input jack on certain Camry's and Avalon's.
I've tried those transmitters in the past, but I thought they were less than satisfactory.
I would be willing to pay a little extra for a custom install of an audio jack, but that may not be possible if there are no spare inputs behind the faceplate.
I thought I'd share some pictures of the job that was done in placing my sub. I took advantage of the fact that one of the ports fell in and so I took these pictures while re-gluing the port that fell off. Here's how they did my special Sub Box utilizing the spare wheel space. Here's the Sub...It's an Orion HCCA 12D Driven by a Orion HCCA-D1200
Here it is with the 2 ports
Here it's installed with the 2 side pieces of MDF
And finally with the temporary carpet for now.
I have barley lost any trunk space and the sound is great!
Does anyone know if the 07 Infinity radio head can be tuned to match the AM portion of the antenna system? I get VERY poor AM reception. My Q45 had a tuning screw located behind the cassette door. The instructions were to set the radio to a mid dial station and slowly turn the screw until obtaining the best reception. I do not see a similar adjusting screw on the Hyundai radio
I would tell you to contact Harman-Kardon (Infinity), but they are not the ones that make the radio. The only components that are Infinity are the speakers and the amp. Since it's a majority of the sound system...they can call it an Infinity sound system.
You would need to contact the service department at your dealership and ask them there, or possibly contact Hyundai Corp. to see if any one there can assist you by giving you some contact info. for the maker of the radio.
RE: 270 Mike I went that route when I switched the radio head from the original 06 to the 07. Hyundai swore that the transition could not be done because of different wiring as well as other factors. The transfer took less than 15 minutes and all the wire attachments were exactly alike. Hyundai would supply no technical information about the radio, and the manufacturer of the radio said that as the unit was manufactured as an OEM Hyundai radio, they would not give any technical information to the public. The dealership states that if they have a radio problem they exchange it with Hyundai parts distribution.
So far, I've read about going to the considerable effort of pulling the rear deck (involves removing the rear seat and pretty much what goes into the effort to replace the rear sunscreen), then adding some vibration-baffling material and putting it all back together.
I've suggested placing two ten-pound bags of Kitty-Litter on the deck on either side of the subwoofer, but you have to severely limit the instance of any panic stops if you go that route... :shades:
RE:275 The inside top trunk liner can be lowered by simply unhooking the two clamps that secure the liner to the rain gutter. Gently raise hooks from gutter and slide them forward. The liner can than be lowered. You might find that something easily reachable, is loose. I guess that one could place some foam or fiberglass insulation in the cavity, which might eliminate some or all of the vibration. In any event, it would only take a few minutes to give it a try.
The 605 watt system adds two speakers in the rear deck. The factory amp is a lil different to accomodate those extra speakers. Each speaker may be getting the same amount of power as in the 315 watt system, bu the sub might be getting a bit more. So adding in the two speakers and bumping up the sub a bit would bring the total to 605 watts easily.
Personally...adding the speakers in the rear deck throws off the sound staging for the rear riding people. I like having the speakers in the rear door so that voices and music comes from in front of them and of course, the bass fills in from behind and surrounds you. IMO...the 605 watt system is overkill as there was nothing wrong with the 315 watt system.
I see one post here asking how to dial in logic 7 (surround mode)- I have a hometheater audio processor Lexicon (Harman Kardon)- Logic 7 is display on front lcd - I don't see any thing to choose Logic 7 on Azera audio system, any comments ? Thanks Thuan
I haven't seen the newer 605 watt logic surround sound system, but I would believe that it's a full time surround sound with various sound "fields" to choose from (maybe not). By the system not being set up for DVD entertainment, it lacks a need to be able to choose between 5.1 surround for movies and 5.1 for music.
As a matter of fact, I would almost be lead to believe that is the case as the head unit is not manufactured by Infinity (Harman-Kardon). So it wouldn't have the Logic 7 technology built in or have an option to select it. The amplifier, however, is made by Infinity and it would have all the components needed for that processing. In this particular case...full time.
I guess the main difference between the 315 watts system and the 605 watt system is the orginal one was 5.1 and the newer one is 7.1 (adds the two rear speakers). I know in my '06 Azea with the Infinity system, the sound is separated quite nicely. The vocals to localize at the center of the dash, with the music mostly coming from the side speakers and of course the bass from the rear deck.
Hi all, As my OP, my audio system is 605w/12 speakers as stated in Ultimate 25 package - But I count only 10 speakers: 1 front, 1 back (sub), 4 front doors, 2 read doors, and 2 rear deck = That's 10 I wonder if I got robbed by the dealer ? That's $550
Anyone here has Ultimate 25 with Limited, can you count 12 speakers ?
For some reason, Hyundai counts coaxial speakers separately (as stated in my post before).
Let me give you a run down...
1 - Center speaker (mid-driver)in dash 2 - Right front tweeter (upper front door) 3 - Left front tweeter (upper front door) 4 - Right front mid-driver (lower front door) 5 - Left front mid-driver (lower front door) Here's where it gets tricky... 6 & 7 - Full range driver (rear right door with mid-driver and tweeter combined...also known as a coaxial speaker) 8 & 9 - Full range driver (rear right door with mid-driver and tweeter combined...also known as a coaxial speaker) 10 - Right rear deck mid-driver 11 - Left rear deck mid-driver 12 - Rear center subwoofer
You did not get robbed, Hyundai just chose to count a coaxial speaker as two separate speakers since it consists of a mid-driver and a tweeter combined.
Thanks, I feel better now So the 10-speakerts system will miss 2 rear deck speakers, correct ? Darn, so for a pair of the conventional 6x9 car speakers, Hyundai will count as 6 speakers - since it has tweeter, mid range, and sub drivers stack on top of each other.
BTW: I just check tire's pressure on my Azera: 46 psi !!! Spec on driver side door show 30 psi - Talk about Hyundai engineering :confuse: I went on and check ALL fluid/oil level - fortunately they're correct ! That's strange Regards Thuan
Yeah...I have an '06 that had the 10 speaker 315 watt system. However, based on how Hyundai counts, the upgrades I've done I have a 13 speaker, 765 watt system! LOL
A pair of 6x9's can be a 2, 3 or 4 way speaker. So depending on which it is...one 6x9 can be 2, 3 or 4 speakers in one.
Yeah...46 psi is quite high. From my understanding, they usually do ship them at a high psi and by the time they get to the consumer, the air pressure is down around where it should be...not always the case. You may find taking the psi down to 30 psi will make the ride too cushy. When I had my factory wheels and tires on, I kept the tire pressure at 35 psi and the ride was fine.
I think I'm the one that added that post. As I said before the owners manual shows my radio with a "surr" icon in the display but there is no mention of it in the writing. And though 4K miles I've still never seen that icon on the display. And I've tried every mode. So I may have just paid $550 for two speakers.
That's what I thought! How can I tell 315w or 605w amplification ? My Lexicon (home audio) show Logic7 on its front display - not with Hyundai audio system :mad: But overall, the sound (sub level) is awesome Thanks Thuan
Correction, you paid $550 for two more speakers and 290 watts of power. Not sure what to make of the issue you're talking about with the surround icon. My take is that the surround mode is always on. It's not far fetched to believe that something that shows up in the manual isn't actually how it is in the car.
I would tell you to contact Hyundai Corp, but they'll only tell you to contact your dealer.
As it was explained to me, the 315 watt system is putting out 45 watts to each channel (7-channel amp). In this system, the power is divided amongst each channel evenly.
Channel 1 - Center Speaker Channel 2 - Front Tweeters (upper) Channels 3 & 4 - Front Door Woofers (lower) Channels 5 & 6 - Rear Door Speakers Channel 7 - Subwoofer
You can't compare the home system to the car system...two different animals.
I just contacted a tech at Harman-Kardon concerning the breakdown on the newer 605 watt sound system. As soon as I get any feedback, I'll post my findings.
Bob . . . Why did you switch the head unit on your 2006?
Does anyone know IF there is an antenna adjustment (trimmer) for the AM on the factory M465S? :confuse:
My AM reception flat 'sucks' as some of the younger generation might say. I cannot 'read' KNX (1070) that is located just 65 air miles away transmitting with 50K watts.
Perhaps my window tint guy lied to me about his material not affecting my radio reception? :surprise: The FM side is great; Just the AM is not 'normal.'
RE:293 I changed the head unit of the audio system on my car from the OEM 06 to the OEM 07 to get all of the features now available on the 07 steering wheel mounted remote switch,such as presets, seek, next disc and next track on CD, mode select, volume and mute. I was able to pick up 07 unit real cheap on Ebay and installation was a snap. By the way, both Service and Parts managers at dealership as well as Hyundai Customer Affairs claimed that the wire harness was not compatible from 06 to 07,and that the swap would not work. As usual, they were both incorrect. The wiring was exactly alike, with no modification needed. I do not have tint film on my windows, and AM reception still sucks. I still have not been able to determine if the AM radio can be tuned to the antenna like many other radios that I have owned. I don't know if a booster can be added to the antenna. Any help from others regarding this topic would be appreciated.
"Changed the head unit" . . What unit did you get? How'd you get the original out of the dash? There's a special tool? XM now? What's the tariff for the ebay purchase if you don't mind?
At least we know that there are a few of us that are 'aware' of the AM reception problem. You have this same problem without tinting your rear window?
When traveling into the greater Los Angeles area, we like to be able to listen to some of the AM stations to catch their regular traffic reports. Being forwarned can save beaucoup time if you learn 'bout a traffic accident blocking a freeway, etc. KFWB (980) is completely unreadable; KNX (1070) does work once we get part way but with too much 'noise' and it's hard to hear what's being said.
RE: 295 The hyundai audio head that I purchased from Ebay was prior to the introduction of the XM system. I believe that I paid about $150.00. No special tools are necessary to change the head unit. The only time extra care is needed is removing the "wood" trim that runs across the top of the panel and over the glove box. Careful prying forward with a plastic trim remover pops the retaining clips free. The dash panel that surrounds the stereo is removed by unscrewing about 6 to screws. The head unit itself is secured by a few additional screws. The harness is unplugged and repluged into the new unit. The entire change, including the learning curve, took less than 1 hour.
Bob, you do or do not have your rear windshield tinted?
You had this same poor AM reception with both head units?
Are there one or two antenna leads coming into the head unit? If there is only one, wouldn't it be coming from the rear windshield? If that's where the signal originates, perhaps the antenna amp. needs to be more powerful? Maybe Hyundia does not use an antenna amplifier at all?
Please inform us about what steps (if any) were taken to try and resolve your poor AM reception so I will not needlessly repeat 'em as I get into it. I live close enough to the Hyundia headquarters in Garden Grove to be able to go there and bug them face-to-face! Maybe that might help?
RE:297 No tint film on windows. One coax antenna lead going into head unit. If there is an antenna booster amp used it must be near rear window. The preferred boost is to push a signal from a location close to antenna rather than to pull the signal from an amplifier near the head unit.
The 605 watt Infinity sound system in the newer Azeras works in the following way. The surround mode is always on, thus, that is why you don't see an icon telling you if it's on or not.
As far as the sound goes, it will get a bit louder than the 315 watt system (45 watts x 7 channels) as it's pumping out 55 watts x 11 channels. So this time around, every speaker gets it's own channel on the amp except for the sub, which seemingly gets two since it's a dual voice coil sub. In essence, that means the sub is getting 110 watts (which would make sense since it requires more output to keep up with the mids & highs).
More wattage really doesn't make it louder...what you get with that extra wattage is a cleaner sound with less distortion. That makes it sound louder because the speakers don't distort. I was told many years ago by an audio engineer that concert hall music is rated a 3 watts (no distortion). The problem with low wattage amps is they add distortion when you turn the volume up....by adding more power you get better filtering so the music sounds better.
Quick question on 07 stock radio. Does it have an aux port in the back of the unit where we can hook up an ipod/mp3 player? Several people wrote about that AUX port in the back of the unit for other Hyundai models but nobody confirmed there was one in Azera's Infinity unit.
Actually...more wattage doesn't equate to cleaner sound with less distortion. Wattage, simply put is power. The ability of the speakers to efficiently handle that power is what allows the sound to be distortion free, not to mention a clean signal to begin with. An amplifier does nothing more than boost the signal, so if the signal is "dirty", the amp will boost dirty sound which can cause distortion at lower sound levels. There are actually a few variables that equate to less distortion and cleaner sound.
Trust me, it's not the wattage you wanna turn up, it's the voltage on the signal you want to increase. This helps to lower the noise on the sound floor.
Music cannot be rated into watts. Any music can be played at any wattage. Concert hall music at 3 watts...trust me, all you'll hear are the strings, brass, wood winds and anything else in the mid to higher frequency range of music. At 3 watts, you will miss the lower frequencies a great deal. It takes more wattage to produce the lower notes than the higher ones.
Anyway, back to the statement you made earlier...more wattage will make it louder, doesn't necessarly mean it'll sound better. However, in this case...it certainly will because the system is designed to be what it is. I guarantee you that if you compared a 315 watt Infinity system and play it on say 5 and do the same with the 605 watt system...you'll notice a difference.
No...there is no Aux input located on the back of the factory stereo. The only way you can set up something like that would be to use one of those FM modulator adaptors that would plug into the antenna and the sound would play via a "blank" radio station.
However, there are some wireless adapters that do the same thing.
Yeah...I would gather to say it was a mistake upon printing of the manual. Those things do happen sometimes. Could've been a communcation error between the manufacturer of the radio, Infinity and whomever printed the manual.
At any rate, the tech from Harman-Kardon definitely said that the surround mode stays on all the time.
Hi "other Bob" For the past 20 years, I have not been able to get decent AM reception on any car radio. This includes Saab, Audi, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Ford. I can pick up about four stations, but all have a lot of static and fade after about 10-15 miles. This in the 3rd largest SMSA in South Carolina. Of course, considering all AM in this area are Talk Radio, I wouldn't listen anyway. BTW, I discovered that if you use the EQ (Equalizer) button, it cancels all the sound settings that you entered.
Your best bet...XM or Sirius. Your chances of better reception are enhanced because the antenna would be external. I mean...for those that really want talk radio. I burn all the music I listen to, the radio doesn't get much action to be honest. There are times, but it's always FM and usually just the local morning show from time to time.
I'm probably in over my head here, but here's what I think/know.
I have a top-brand aftermarket stereo in my older sedan. It's listed at 50 watts x 4. In talking with a stereo dealer recently, I mentioned that the speakers begin to distort at high volume, and what the rated output of the stereo was. He replied that the distortion was coming not from the speakers, but from the amp. His laughing comment about the rated wattage, was "Yeah, maybe it's making 200 watts peak, for 3 seconds, if it gets hit by lightning."
This reinforced my previous impression about distorted sound in general: Amplifiers produce distortion along a rather predictable curve. Near their maximum, it shoots up to several times worse than the distortion rate at lower outputs, as a phenomenon called "clipping" (literally, the overtaxed amplifier cutting off the top of the sound waves) sets in. A good explanation can be found at http://www.dc-developments.com/cornell_output%20explained.htm
So the real point of discussing rated amplifier wattage as it relates to distortion isn't that you need to listen at that wattage. It's that you want to have enough reserve wattage that your most demanding listening occurs well BELOW it, so your distortion stays low.
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However, you are right...if it makes you happy, then by all means!!! I don't want the most toys, just give me the good ones!
First of the 4 speakers were replaced to
Front - Infinity Kappa 60.7CS
Rear - Infinity Kappa 62.7i
Amp - Orion HCCA-D1200
Sub - Orion HCCA 12D
The sub was placed where the spare wheel is located. (That's right no more spare tire). They built a box (fiberglass and wood) and it came out to 3.1 cubic feet. The floor was raised 3/4" to accommodate the wood placed on the floor. The sub was installed by the underside and the original carpet was glued over the wood. You cannot see the sub nor the 2x 4" ports. If I open the trunk you wouldn't even know there's a Sub there.
I picked up my car yesterday night and couldn't wait to get it. When i first step into the car the first song I played was (Smoothjazz - Brian Culbertson-When I Think of You) because it pounds and sounds good.
My reaction was OMFG this is unreal!
The 4 speakers made a big difference to start with. Much more range, way better highs and mid lows. The sound is way more clear.
BUT...
The bass is out of this world! The box was tuned to 31HZ and let me tell you the bass is REALLY low. It does NOT pound (I don't like that) it rumbles and vibrates unbeleivable!!!
There's MAJOR bass in my AZERA!
I drove for an hour and listened to all kinds of songs and then listened to more music for another 2 hours when I got home, I then went to bed, woke-up early this am and played a Golf tournament. As soon as I finished the game, I got in the car and listened to it all afternoon doing some final tweaking.
Overall I extremely satisfied with the sound and this with the Factory Radio!
Can't wait to get in my car to listen to more music!
That's my update.
Very, very happy. 43 years old and still love loud music and DEEP bass.
PS. I can't put pictures cause you can't see anything. Sorry
Was glad to see that the audio system was MP3 capable. However, I have to make 6 hour drives between New Orleans and Houston and have gotten accustomed to listening to audiobooks or podcasts during the drive. The vehicle I drove had no cassette player.
I asked the salesman if there was any way to connect an audio jack to the system. The salesman said that they deal with an aftermarket shop that installs GPS and backup sensors, but he was not aware of any jacks being added to accomodate MP3 players.
Seems like a pretty trivial thing, but I've made this trip so many times since Hurricane Katrina that I don't know if I could hack with just radio, even if it is XM.
Anyone know of a way to hook in an MP3 player?
Can the XM be unhooked to provide an input or is it in the dash unit?
Thanks y
Good audio systems allow the user to turn on/off this "feature" through a menu.
Here's one:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2361893&cp=2032059&f=Taxon- - omy%2FRSK%2F2032059&categoryId=2032059&kwCatId=2032059&kw=mp3+connect&parentPage- - =search
... here's another:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2110504&cp=2032059&f=Taxon- - omy%2FRSK%2F2032059&categoryId=2032059&kwCatId=2032059&kw=mp3+connect&parentPage- - =search
I've read that the cassette unit offers the better sound quality...
The cassette adapter do work pretty well. I wouldn't have a problem using the cassette adapter, but from the best I can tell, they removed the cassette player when they added the XM as standard. I would be happy to be disabused of this notion. (Anyone else have any info on recent Azera's?)
To me, if that's what they did, it's a big marketing mistake, as so many people have ipods or competing players. Toyota is putting an audio input jack on certain Camry's and Avalon's.
I've tried those transmitters in the past, but I thought they were less than satisfactory.
I would be willing to pay a little extra for a custom install of an audio jack, but that may not be possible if there are no spare inputs behind the faceplate.
Thanks again.
The XM add-on's that play thru FM &/or the cassette really do not offer the kind of fidelity to make it worth my while.
Thanx.
Here's how they did my special Sub Box utilizing the spare wheel space.
Here's the Sub...It's an Orion HCCA 12D Driven by a Orion HCCA-D1200
Here it is with the 2 ports
Here it's installed with the 2 side pieces of MDF
And finally with the temporary carpet for now.
I have barley lost any trunk space and the sound is great!
I get VERY poor AM reception.
My Q45 had a tuning screw located behind the cassette door.
The instructions were to set the radio to a mid dial station and slowly turn the screw until obtaining the best reception.
I do not see a similar adjusting screw on the Hyundai radio
You would need to contact the service department at your dealership and ask them there, or possibly contact Hyundai Corp. to see if any one there can assist you by giving you some contact info. for the maker of the radio.
Mike
I went that route when I switched the radio head from the original 06 to the 07.
Hyundai swore that the transition could not be done because of different wiring as well as other factors.
The transfer took less than 15 minutes and all the wire attachments were exactly alike.
Hyundai would supply no technical information about the radio, and the manufacturer of the radio said that as the unit was manufactured as an OEM Hyundai radio, they would not give any technical information to the public.
The dealership states that if they have a radio problem they exchange it with Hyundai parts distribution.
Nice work. The sound must be amazinig, with all the mods you've done. Thanx for sharing the pix.
I'm very pleased with the sound. How can you NOT be!
I've suggested placing two ten-pound bags of Kitty-Litter on the deck on either side of the subwoofer, but you have to severely limit the instance of any panic stops if you go that route... :shades:
The inside top trunk liner can be lowered by simply unhooking the two clamps that secure the liner to the rain gutter. Gently raise hooks from gutter and slide them forward. The liner can than be lowered. You might find that something easily reachable, is loose. I guess that one could place some foam or fiberglass insulation in the cavity, which might eliminate some or all of the vibration.
In any event, it would only take a few minutes to give it a try.
Also, make sure the covers to the child seat anchors are secure. If they get loose, they will vibrate like crazy when the bass hits!!!
I just bought one new with package 25 ($3100) but I'm not sure if the audio system is really surround sound with 605w ?
The other package option is 04 ($2550) with 315w audio system - That's $550 premium on audio alone (all else are the same)
From the audio face plate - what's the differences between the two ?
Thanks
Thuan
Personally...adding the speakers in the rear deck throws off the sound staging for the rear riding people. I like having the speakers in the rear door so that voices and music comes from in front of them and of course, the bass fills in from behind and surrounds you. IMO...the 605 watt system is overkill as there was nothing wrong with the 315 watt system.
Thanks
Thuan
As a matter of fact, I would almost be lead to believe that is the case as the head unit is not manufactured by Infinity (Harman-Kardon). So it wouldn't have the Logic 7 technology built in or have an option to select it. The amplifier, however, is made by Infinity and it would have all the components needed for that processing. In this particular case...full time.
I guess the main difference between the 315 watts system and the 605 watt system is the orginal one was 5.1 and the newer one is 7.1 (adds the two rear speakers). I know in my '06 Azea with the Infinity system, the sound is separated quite nicely. The vocals to localize at the center of the dash, with the music mostly coming from the side speakers and of course the bass from the rear deck.
As my OP, my audio system is 605w/12 speakers as stated in Ultimate 25 package - But I count only 10 speakers:
1 front, 1 back (sub), 4 front doors, 2 read doors, and 2 rear deck = That's 10
I wonder if I got robbed by the dealer ? That's $550
Anyone here has Ultimate 25 with Limited, can you count 12 speakers ?
Thanks
Thuan
Let me give you a run down...
1 - Center speaker (mid-driver)in dash
2 - Right front tweeter (upper front door)
3 - Left front tweeter (upper front door)
4 - Right front mid-driver (lower front door)
5 - Left front mid-driver (lower front door)
Here's where it gets tricky...
6 & 7 - Full range driver (rear right door with mid-driver and tweeter combined...also known as a coaxial speaker)
8 & 9 - Full range driver (rear right door with mid-driver and tweeter combined...also known as a coaxial speaker)
10 - Right rear deck mid-driver
11 - Left rear deck mid-driver
12 - Rear center subwoofer
You did not get robbed, Hyundai just chose to count a coaxial speaker as two separate speakers since it consists of a mid-driver and a tweeter combined.
I feel better now
So the 10-speakerts system will miss 2 rear deck speakers, correct ?
Darn, so for a pair of the conventional 6x9 car speakers, Hyundai will count as 6 speakers - since it has tweeter, mid range, and sub drivers stack on top of each other.
BTW: I just check tire's pressure on my Azera: 46 psi !!!
Spec on driver side door show 30 psi - Talk about Hyundai engineering :confuse:
I went on and check ALL fluid/oil level - fortunately they're correct !
That's strange
Regards
Thuan
A pair of 6x9's can be a 2, 3 or 4 way speaker. So depending on which it is...one 6x9 can be 2, 3 or 4 speakers in one.
Yeah...46 psi is quite high. From my understanding, they usually do ship them at a high psi and by the time they get to the consumer, the air pressure is down around where it should be...not always the case. You may find taking the psi down to 30 psi will make the ride too cushy. When I had my factory wheels and tires on, I kept the tire pressure at 35 psi and the ride was fine.
But overall, the sound (sub level) is awesome
Thanks
Thuan
I would tell you to contact Hyundai Corp, but they'll only tell you to contact your dealer.
Channel 1 - Center Speaker
Channel 2 - Front Tweeters (upper)
Channels 3 & 4 - Front Door Woofers (lower)
Channels 5 & 6 - Rear Door Speakers
Channel 7 - Subwoofer
You can't compare the home system to the car system...two different animals.
I just contacted a tech at Harman-Kardon concerning the breakdown on the newer 605 watt sound system. As soon as I get any feedback, I'll post my findings.
Does anyone know IF there is an antenna adjustment (trimmer) for the AM on the factory M465S? :confuse:
My AM reception flat 'sucks' as some of the younger generation might say.
I cannot 'read' KNX (1070) that is located just 65 air miles away transmitting with 50K watts.
Perhaps my window tint guy lied to me about his material not affecting my radio reception? :surprise:
The FM side is great; Just the AM is not 'normal.'
Thanks in advance for any help.
I changed the head unit of the audio system on my car from the OEM 06 to the OEM 07 to get all of the features now available on the 07 steering wheel mounted remote switch,such as presets, seek, next disc and next track on CD, mode select, volume and mute.
I was able to pick up 07 unit real cheap on Ebay and installation was a snap.
By the way, both Service and Parts managers at dealership as well as Hyundai Customer Affairs claimed that the wire harness was not compatible from 06 to 07,and that the swap would not work.
As usual, they were both incorrect.
The wiring was exactly alike, with no modification needed.
I do not have tint film on my windows, and AM reception still sucks. I still have not been able to determine if the AM radio can be tuned to the antenna like many other radios that I have owned.
I don't know if a booster can be added to the antenna.
Any help from others regarding this topic would be appreciated.
"Changed the head unit" . . What unit did you get? How'd you get the original out of the dash?
There's a special tool? XM now? What's the tariff for the ebay purchase if you don't mind?
At least we know that there are a few of us that are 'aware' of the AM reception problem.
You have this same problem without tinting your rear window?
When traveling into the greater Los Angeles area, we like to be able to
listen to some of the AM stations to catch their regular traffic reports.
Being forwarned can save beaucoup time if you learn 'bout a traffic accident blocking a freeway, etc.
KFWB (980) is completely unreadable; KNX (1070) does work once we get
part way but with too much 'noise' and it's hard to hear what's being said.
Doesn't someone know of a fix?
The hyundai audio head that I purchased from Ebay was prior to the introduction of the XM system. I believe that I paid about $150.00.
No special tools are necessary to change the head unit.
The only time extra care is needed is removing the "wood" trim that runs across the top of the panel and over the glove box. Careful prying forward with a plastic trim remover pops the retaining clips free. The dash panel that surrounds the stereo is removed by unscrewing about 6 to screws.
The head unit itself is secured by a few additional screws.
The harness is unplugged and repluged into the new unit.
The entire change, including the learning curve, took less than 1 hour.
Bob, you do or do not have your rear windshield tinted?
You had this same poor AM reception with both head units?
Are there one or two antenna leads coming into the head unit?
If there is only one, wouldn't it be coming from the rear windshield?
If that's where the signal originates, perhaps the antenna amp. needs to be more powerful?
Maybe Hyundia does not use an antenna amplifier at all?
Please inform us about what steps (if any) were taken to try and resolve your poor AM reception so I will
not needlessly repeat 'em as I get into it. I live close enough to the Hyundia headquarters in Garden
Grove to be able to go there and bug them face-to-face! Maybe that might help?
No tint film on windows.
One coax antenna lead going into head unit.
If there is an antenna booster amp used it must be near rear window. The preferred boost is to push a signal from a location close to antenna rather than to pull the signal from an amplifier near the head unit.
As far as the sound goes, it will get a bit louder than the 315 watt system (45 watts x 7 channels) as it's pumping out 55 watts x 11 channels. So this time around, every speaker gets it's own channel on the amp except for the sub, which seemingly gets two since it's a dual voice coil sub. In essence, that means the sub is getting 110 watts (which would make sense since it requires more output to keep up with the mids & highs).
Just an update for those who wish to know.
Trust me, it's not the wattage you wanna turn up, it's the voltage on the signal you want to increase. This helps to lower the noise on the sound floor.
Music cannot be rated into watts. Any music can be played at any wattage. Concert hall music at 3 watts...trust me, all you'll hear are the strings, brass, wood winds and anything else in the mid to higher frequency range of music. At 3 watts, you will miss the lower frequencies a great deal. It takes more wattage to produce the lower notes than the higher ones.
Anyway, back to the statement you made earlier...more wattage will make it louder, doesn't necessarly mean it'll sound better. However, in this case...it certainly will because the system is designed to be what it is. I guarantee you that if you compared a 315 watt Infinity system and play it on say 5 and do the same with the 605 watt system...you'll notice a difference.
However, there are some wireless adapters that do the same thing.
At any rate, the tech from Harman-Kardon definitely said that the surround mode stays on all the time.
For the past 20 years, I have not been able to get decent AM reception on any car radio. This includes Saab, Audi, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Ford. I can pick up about four stations, but all have a lot of static and fade after about 10-15 miles. This in the 3rd largest SMSA in South Carolina.
Of course, considering all AM in this area are Talk Radio, I wouldn't listen anyway.
BTW, I discovered that if you use the EQ (Equalizer) button, it cancels all the sound settings that you entered.
I have a top-brand aftermarket stereo in my older sedan. It's listed at 50 watts x 4. In talking with a stereo dealer recently, I mentioned that the speakers begin to distort at high volume, and what the rated output of the stereo was. He replied that the distortion was coming not from the speakers, but from the amp. His laughing comment about the rated wattage, was "Yeah, maybe it's making 200 watts peak, for 3 seconds, if it gets hit by lightning."
This reinforced my previous impression about distorted sound in general: Amplifiers produce distortion along a rather predictable curve. Near their maximum, it shoots up to several times worse than the distortion rate at lower outputs, as a phenomenon called "clipping" (literally, the overtaxed amplifier cutting off the top of the sound waves) sets in. A good explanation can be found at
http://www.dc-developments.com/cornell_output%20explained.htm
So the real point of discussing rated amplifier wattage as it relates to distortion isn't that you need to listen at that wattage. It's that you want to have enough reserve wattage that your most demanding listening occurs well BELOW it, so your distortion stays low.