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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    Well...ya never know. mmgrad could have been waiting around 4 years for a response. Now he can move on with his life...or at least replace those bald tires he's been driving on. :)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,539
    We have a 2002 Accord LX with a 5-speed manual trans. It now has 44,000 miles on it, and not surprisingly the oem Michelin Energy tires (195/65R 15 89H) are worn, or at least two of them are. Even though I've been rotating the tires about every 10k mi, the front two are now clearly in need of replacement, while the rear tires look like they have some life left in them.

    I went to two tire places for estimates, and thought I'd be able to make a quick decision, but instead I'm not certain what tires to get.

    The guy at the first place (Ken Towery Tires) said that the rear tires didn't need to be replaced. I said I wanted to get them alll done, however, and he recommended two kinds of tires.

    First, there was the Goodyear Assur with Triple Tread. That came to $574 with installation, tax, and road hazard warranty.

    The second was a Kumho Solus KH16, which he said was just as good, but came to just $341.

    I'd never heard of Kumho before, but he told me it was a Korean tire and quite good. Does anyone out there know anything about Kumho?

    The big thing this guy said is that I should stay with an H rated tire for handling.

    It's true that one of the things I really like about my Accord is the handling, which makes it fun to drive even around town. I don't ever get above about 80mph on the highway (and then only for brief moments when passing), and so do I really need an H rated tire?

    At the Goodyear store the guy said I didn't need an H rated tire. He recommended the 80,000 mile Assurance Triple Tread, which came to $572 with installation, tax, and road hazard warranty.

    If I wanted an H rated tire, he said he could put me in a Goodyear Eagle GT-HR for $498.

    Any advice?

    I could do anything from just getting two Kumho's to getting four Goodyear Triple Treads.

    Thanks in advance, Ben
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    You didn't really tell us what you wanted from a tire, except you did mention you liked the way the Honda handled. If that is important, then stay with H rated tires. Aside from the speed capability, one of the things that goes along for the ride is handling. As a general rule the higher the speed rating, the more responsive the tire. There are also a safety reason to stick with a more capable tire.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Haven't bought tires online for years but when my 02 concorde ltd needed a new set at 50k, did some checking for the 225-55-17 radials. Lot's of good reviews on the BF Goodrich traction TA's so I priced a set at the local low price tire chain. Set of 4 installed with tax was $548. Bought them online and had them mounted /balanced at tire shop [all 4 fit in the monster trunk] for $384 everything included. Plus I've got a half dozen coupons for free rotations with no expiration date at the local tire store.
    Tires run smoother and quieter than the michelin's---time and miles will tell but I'm feeling pretty good about this deal.
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    I also have a set of the BFGoodrich Traction T/As. Mine are on an AWD vehicle, and I have about 10,000 miles on them. I love them. Recently on a trip to the beach, we encountered a horrible thunderstorm. A lot of water had pooled up on parts of the road. I was able to maintain a decent speed throughout the storm, and never once felt any hydroplaning/slipping from those tires.
  • cjgtcjgt Member Posts: 28
    Kumhos are decent tires. I like them better then the OEM Michelin Energy’s I got with my 01 Hyundai Elantra GT. I don't know much about the Solus KH16 but after having 2 different sets of Kumhos (Ecsta HP4 and ASX) I can't see spending more money for anything else. The ASX in particular have been very good. I've seen good reviews for the Goodyear Triple Treads but they are pricey. Still, an 80,000 mile tire is hard to overlook. Me personally, I would go for the 60k tire at $50 (Kumho KH16) over the 80k tire at $100 (Goodyear TT). The Eagle GT-HR's I think are a little more expensive then the Kumhos and are 50k tires so if tire wear is a concern the other 2 mentioned may be better choices if you are sure about these being the only 2 brands you want. Plus, try different places. I found the best prices for tires on the web.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,539
    The Kumho's sound good.

    But I ended up buying Goodyear Assur Triple Treds (they spell it that way for some reason) for $570 with everything (installation, lifetime road hazard, and sales tax). Plus, there was an $80 rebate if you bought four and applied for a Goodyear credit card. And so my total cost was $490. That's still far more than I've ever paid for tires, but then again I've never had 80,000 mile tires before. I usually drive about 10,000-11,000 miles per year, and so there's at least a chance these tires will last for 6 years. When you divide the cost by 6 years it comes out to only about $82 a year. That seems like a cheap price to pay to have one of the best tires on the road. So far, my road tests have revealed that for me they perform better than the oem Michelins the car came with. For instance, there's this hill with a stoplight at the top in my town, and often when starting from a stop there before I would peal out, or skid, or whatever you want to call it when starting from a stop at that light. I went there after the Triple Treds were put on (and the stoplight obliged by being red) and started right off without a skid of any kind. So, it seems like these tires have much better traction, which will be especially helpful in snow and rain. I also took my son out to the empty parking lot at the local high school and did some agressive cornering, and the performance was great. My son was having fun, but he said things like "This is like a roller coaster dad! Should I get out of the car and watch you! Giving these tires to you is like giving a gallon of sugar to a kid!"

    Ahh, the things kids say. Anyway, I think these are good tires for an Accord. And they are H-speed rated, just like the oems (not that I'm ever likely to get anywhere near 130 mph. I think my top speed ever was 95).

    Ben
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • jabbottjabbott Member Posts: 14
    One month after accepting delivery of my new car, I checked the tires for inflation pressure. The owners manual specified a pressure of 30 PSI. The sticker on the door specified 30 PSI. The warning on the tire said not to exceed 40 PSI at any time. Image my surprise when I found 45 PSI in all the tires. The service manager of the dealership told me that autos are shipped that way to prevent flat spots on the tires. The dealorship should have reduced the pressure, but failed to do so. I now have 800+ miles on the tires. Other than being upset with the dealorship for putting me and my family at risk, I am wondering if the tires have sustained permanent damage. Does anybody have an opinion on this? I would apreciate your input.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Your tires are probably fine. I had a similar experience with a car I bought 4 years ago---even after asking if the tire pressures were checked prior to delivery. I checked them at home and they were all over the place---some too high -some too low. Used my electric pump to get it right then complained to the customer service rep [the customer satisfaction survey from the manufacturer hadn't arrived yet] and recieved three free oil changes for my trouble.
    You might try to recieve a bit of justice in a like manner.
    Good luck.
  • waiwai Member Posts: 325
    Besides the suspension might be over stressed a little bit, your tires will wear off more on the center thread, the shoulder of the tires will barely has any wear because of overinflation. Its hard to say if the tire structure is permanently damaged or not. you should complaint to them and may be they will exchange a new set of tires to you free for the sake of peace of mind. I did have a time that the tire dealer inflated my new tires according to the maximum pressure on the wall.
  • zelmozelmo Member Posts: 1
    Costco has these as an exclusive. Does anyone know where they fit in the BFGoodrich line of tires or what they are comparable to?
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    In general, here's how to do this:

    Record the UTQG information and compare it to tires that are similar - same type, same speed rating. In this case, you would want to look at a "touring" tire.
  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Member Posts: 365
    I am wondering if the manual or digital tire guage is best? Also, any particular brand better than the others, or are they all about the same? I lost my manual guage.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Haven't used a digital one in years but I've found that if you stay away from the really cheap ones, any mid-priced gauge at an auto store will do fine. I keep one in each car and if they don't get lost or misplaced, they last indefinitely so buy a good one.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    I asked at the local dealer when I bought my Harmonys how they make sure they have reasonably accurate gauges. They said they use three of the cheap pencil type... Then get a new one and throw out the one that seems to vary the most out of the four.

    Cheap technique and probably as accurate as needed. But I bought a metal dial gauge and took the back off and adjusted the setting screw to suit me. I compared it with the measurement at their shop and my other two at home.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I have a set on my Corolla and my Tercel and I love them both. Nice ride, quiet, excellent traction in all conditions, and wear seems to be as good as any so far. Considering they cost half or less than most other tires, could they be the best tire value?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Member Posts: 1,565
    I now have about 9000 miles on a set of BF Goodrich Traction TA tires (the T rated version) on my 2000 Taurus.

    I am very happy with them so far. They seem to be good handling, quiet tires with decent wet traction, and adequate for me to get through the winter. I would recommend them, as they seem to have close enough characteristic of a premium tire, but at a more reasonable price. They are tehorectically rated for 70,000 miles. I don't know if I will have the car that long, but so far so good.
  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Member Posts: 365
    What is 'mid priced'? I have seen them at K Mart anywhere from 4.00 to a digital one from Sears Craftsman for $35.00
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Mid-priced means something costing between $4.00 and $35.
    [sorry--couldn't resist]
    Sears has decent gauges priced between 5-10 dollars. Get one with a double chuck --makes it easier on the wrist when the valve stem is near the ground. You can use the gauge to bleed air out if overfilled though some have a bleeder pin.
    I prefer the pencil gauges---they take up less space in the visor pouch and /or pocket.
    Just stay away from the 1-2 dollar cheapies. They never last.
    Keep your eyes open for a good deal on a 110 volt inflater. Very handy for tires and other inflatables. I keep a 12 volt one in the trunk along with a can of fix-a-flat. The 12 volt works real slow but it works.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    I suggest the $1 gauges and buy another one in several months and then compare the two. Replace and pitch as you see fit. I have some that are 20 years or more around here.

    Harbor Freight has occasional sales on 12 volt air pumps that I carry in trunk. They probably have sales on 110 volt models--if you have a Harbor Freight in your area. Their sale prices are often 1/3 or the shelf price.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Member Posts: 365
    I happen to have a Harbor Freight up the street. I will check them out.
  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Member Posts: 365
    I just purchased four Goodyear Triple Treads from a Meineke just down the street from me for a good price. I did not purchase the road hazard protection. Anyway, I found out on the Goodyear website that there is what they call the "Assurance" warranty on them that includes free emergency road service. My question is, do you have to do anything special to let Goodyear know you have these tires. Reason I ask is that because I got them at Meineke and not an official Goodyear store, I'm not sure I am covered under this Goodyear warranty. If I am, is the Assurance warranty the same as any retailers road hazard warranty? The manager at the Meineke seemed to not know about Goodyear's warranty, even though he sold Goodyear tires.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    The website has the program which you can download with a toll free number. You have to register the tires accordingly but I don't see why you wouldn't be covered.
  • nodulenodule Member Posts: 118
    Im looking to replace the tires on my 2005 Hyundai Elantra
    with either the Kumho Solus KH16 or Cooper Lifeliner SLE.
    Which of these tires will prove to be the most smoothest
    and quietest tire??
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    Don't know much about the Coopers, but I just replaced a set of Badyear Allegras on my Corolla with a set of Kumho 795 A/S's and I can't believe the difference! The Kumhos are infinitely smoother riding and quieter. Considering their price, I don't know if the Kumhos can be beat, or even matched!
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    Yesterday I checked the pressure of my tires while I had them off the vehicle. I inflated them to the usual 35 psi and then re-installed them. This morning I decided to check them again (using my trusty Accutire digital gauge) and all 4 were reading either 33.5 or 34 psi. I'm ruling out the possibility of all 4 tires leaking out what is essentially exactly the same amount of air overnight. The odds of that occurring are astronomical. I'm guessing the difference has something to do with checking them while off the vehicle vs on. However, logic tells me if there is a difference, the pressure should read higher with the tires on the vehicle because of the added weight. Can anyone explain why I experienced the exact opposite?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Temperature change. Pressure drops about 1 pound per 10 degrees.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I would agree this is the MOST likely thing that happened. SO the temp difference were indeed 10-15 degrees difference between when you filled and checked again.

    So the cleanest way to fill is to STILL fill when "cold" (undriven up to 1 mile). However for some, this is not realistic. So an easy rule of thumb is (in addition to 1# psi change every 10 degrees) operation adds app 4/6 psi to the tire.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    It was 15-20 warmer yesterday compared to this AM.
  • dairyshickdairyshick Member Posts: 129
    I live in FL and need new tires on my car...the Walmart near me has the BF Goodrich Excentia GT's, but my only concern is their temp rating of 'B'. Is 'A' the only way to go, or will a 'B' temp rating be alright?
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    ".....I live in FL.... Is 'A' the only way to go....."

    Smart man!! Lots of data that came out of the Firestone problem indicated that the states where tire failures are most likely to occur are hot weather states and Florida was #5. My vote is for the A temp rating.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    I am driving my mom's Volvo, which still has the OEM Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 tires with 37,000 miles on them. There is about 5/32" of tread in the front, and 6/32" in the rear. Dry traction has always been poor, and as they've worn, they're getting dodgy in the rain, and based on that, I think they need replacement before the winter. I know that it's partly because this is a FWD vehicle, but on dry pavement, it's very easy to chirp the tires when starting off. The other tires in the Pilot line seem to have better dry traction, and the Pilot HX MXM4s remind me more of the Energys in their lack of dry traction. Also, the factory Michelins are making a lot of noise.

    It's a non-turbo model with 225/50/17 tires. The objectives for the replacement tires are a smooth, quiet ride, good rain and snow traction, and capable handling (not like the car goes to the track, but responsive enough to safely perform evasive maneuvers).

    I've found the following models (and eliminated some, like Goodyear Eagle RS-A, that seem to have very poor reviews, or poor snow traction):

    Falken Ziex ZE-512
    Avon Tech M550 A/S
    Kumho ECSTA ASX
    Sumitomo HTR+
    Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
    Yokohama ADVAN S.4.
    Yokohama AVID V4S
    Bridgestone Turanza LS-V
    Goodyear Eagle ResponsEdge
    Big O Euro Tour
    Toyo Proxes TPT

    I'd appreciate any help in narrowing down the above list.
  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    Hi!

    On another board I come accross a guy who makes such comment:
    "Heat build up in tires is created by sidewall flex in the main and, as we all know, heat is the enemy especially when it comes to rubber compounds. Tire OEMs design the tire and test it at max cold inflation. However, a tire design is only tested for a matter of minutes and only has to maintain its integrity for the duration of the test to attain whatever speed rating the OEM is after.

    Lower max inflation tires keep their form at lower pressures because they are more robustly constructed. High max inflation tires are cheaper to make and are lighter because there simply isn't as much material in them. Because there is less material in them, high max pressure tires can be built to higher speed ratings more cheaply because there is less centrifical force trying to tear them apart. Load rating applies equally across the spectrum."

    As far as I can tell what he writes is not true but it would be nice to point him (or me if I am wrong) to some kind of source about tire construction.

    Krzys
  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    Krzys
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    I have an '06 Chevy HHR that came with 215 / 55 / R16 wheels/tires. I replaced them with 215 / 50 / R17 wheels and tires. I noticed the guy at the shop set the pressure at 42 in all 4 tires when he mounted them. Was this done for any particular reason (to help the bead seal maybe??), or should I back the pressures down some?
  • micwebmicweb Member Posts: 1,617
    He probably set them high on the assumption that, like most drivers, the only time your tire pressure will get checked and adjusted is when you go in for an oil change. It's hard to spot an underinflated tire when the profile is as low as you have, and underinflation can quickly damage the very short sidewall. In other words there isn't as much room for error so he started on the high side.

    Wal-Mart used to do the same thing in their oil shops, except 35 psi was the magic number for them, whether your tires were hot or cold, whether it was a hot or cold day, and whether you came in early morning or midday.

    Personally I check my tires once a month with a gauge. If you do the same, use the tire pressure on the sticker on the door jamb as a guide (and I think that is about 30 or 32 psi). I wouldn't go over 35 psi, the number recommended (oddly enough) by one rallye driver.
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    Krzus,

    These comments have some apples and oranges with some bananas thrown in, but some of what he says is true.

    Can you point to the other board so I can see where he is coming from?
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    "use the tire pressure on the sticker on the door jamb as a guide"

    That is part of my problem - the pressure listed on the door sticker is for 215/55/R16, and I now have 215/50/R17 on the car. The sticker for the 16" wheels calls for 30psi. Thee car sat in my garage all day yesterday, so last night I backed the tires down from 42psi to 35psi. That should have been a cold reading. I may run them at 35 psi during Fall/Winter, and back them down to 32 for Spring/Summer - checking monthly.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Member Posts: 1,230
    According to Tirerack, the 16" wheel/tire combination has a load rating of 91, and the 17" LR is 90. If the load rating on your new tires is lower than 90, he MAY have over-inflated them purposely. But any respectable installer would NEVER use tires beneath the stock load rating, so it's possible he just did it out of habit, or as mentioned before, because most people don't check then often enough. Who knows?

    Double-check your load rating on your new tires. If it's 90 or better, then go ahead and run the pressures you like. If not, get rid of them and get ones that do. It's a safety issue more than anything else.
  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    you have one brand new message in your carspace mailbox.
    The author is...
    me.

    Krzys ;-)
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    The new tires are rated at 91.
  • ray80ray80 Member Posts: 1,655
    From the sticker on my 17" equipped HHR

    215/50R17 35PSI/240KPA front and rear (17x6.5 tire)
  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    Cool - thanks....

    Truth be told, this is my parents' car. My wife and I are "fixing it up" for them. They have always wanted a set of custom wheels for it, but didn't know where to start when it comes to modifications. My wife and I bought a new set of wheels and tires for it, and an upper and lower billett grill. I had everything installed Monday, and it looks GREAT. The HHR is the Daytona Blue color (I think that's what it was called. It also has the rear factory spoiler on it. Over all, the car looks sharp.
  • jpfjpf Member Posts: 496
    I am in the process of purchasing a 2005 Grand Caravan with tire size 215/70R15. I have a set of 4 winter tires of size 205/75R15. Can I put these tires on the Grand Caravan for winter use?
  • texag64texag64 Member Posts: 4
    In my quest to select the right tire for my '05 G35 auto sedan I'm now looking at Yokohama AS430 & Goodyear Response Edge. Since these are fairly new tires on the market TireRack has very little data on the Good' & none on the Yokos'. My OEM Goodyear RS-A 215/55R19s are needing replacement at 20M. After checking the Yoko & Good' sites I'm leaning toward the Yoko at $121 vs $160. But before I purchase I would appreciate some input from someone regarding these tires. Thanks
  • kenndallaskenndallas Member Posts: 7
    After running the OEM Goodyear RS-A's for 33K on my 04 G35 Coupe, the rears were worn out so I began shopping around. Wound up with the Goodyear Response Edge. There was no real data available, just took a chance. I like the way they corner on freeway overhead ramps, and seem to grip well in wet weather, although drving in the rain in Texas lately has not a frequent occurance. But they are definitely better on wet roads than the RS-A's. Don't have enough miles to speak to wear. They are quieter than the RS-A's. Besides, they have a cool tread design. Something about 3 tread designs in one according to the sales guy at Goodyear, who were much highter that Discount Tire. Bought them at Discount Tire, where I got a $50 rebate check.
  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Member Posts: 365
    Just yesterday, my company cargo van had the wheel covers stolen. It was sitting in my parking lot where it normally does, and when I closed the store, there it was with no covers.

    Anyway, my question(s) to this group is, where do I get replacements? The dealer? Or can I just pick up a set of four at WalMart? Are they specially designed for the van, or will any set do? The van is a 2002 Ford E-250 Extended cargo van with full wheel covers (not dog dishes). P.S. I just called the local Ford dealer. They list the price as $59.00 per cover. Any other suggestions?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    CAll recycling yards. They'll tell you who is likely to have what you want.

    Some stores, sort of auto flea markets, specialize in wheel covers/hub caps.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Member Posts: 1,230
    I can't see why you can't just head to the local auto parts store and get a generic set. They may not be OEM or have "Ford" stamped on them, but they'd be MUCH cheaper than $59/per.

    All you need is the wheel diameter, and you're all set.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,429
    Yeah... but dog dish caps only cover the inner 2/3 of the wheel (correct me, if I'm wrong).. I'm not sure the auto parts store will have that kind of cap.. A pickup truck would look goofy with full wheel covers..

    A salvage yard should be able to set you up for around $100 for all four...

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