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As for the battery pollution, regular hybrids have fairly small battery packs, a fraction of that on an EV. I trust that all that are worried about battery pollution don't use cell phones or laptops - the world uses MANY more batteries there...
So critics of the EV's "greenness" need to support low carbon energy production. If they don't, then their argument is obviously not centered on an actual concern for emission levels. It lacks intellectual honesty.
Disposing the batteries pollutes the environment
Producing electricity pollutes the environment
Kalifornians want all the pollution in someone else's backyard
Hypocrite liberal eco [non-permissible content removed]
And so will Jiffy Lube and many of your neighborhood garages.
Disposing the batteries pollutes the environment
Producing electricity pollutes the environment
Kalifornians want all the pollution in someone else's backyard
Hypocrite liberal eco [non-permissible content removed]
So does producing any car, and so does powering any car, and so does recycling any car. This argument is a non-starter.
Given the same low carbon type of fuel in each case, the EV will trounce the ICE.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0617/BP-oil-spill-MMS-shortcomings-include-dearth-of-regulations
Disposing the batteries pollutes the environment
Producing electricity pollutes the environment
Kalifornians want all the pollution in someone else's backyard
All very true. I would be willing to bet you could not build an entire Hybrid, EV or Smartphone in the state of CA. The regulations would stop them cold. Yet the state mandates their use. California has one of the largest known reserves of Rare Earth Elements. And they tried to produce them and are again shut down. No way we can compete with China and other countries that have little concern for the environment. So when the state and Feds say no more products can be sold in the USA that are not made under the same strict EPA rules as we are forced to do business under, I refuse to believe they are serious about the environment.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/does-hybrid-car-production-waste-offset-hybrid-benefits.htm
When companies can make batteries using low carbon energy to produce them, they will do so in California.
California is not excluding battery companies, the battery companies are excluding themselves. Nevada has no such rigorous vision for its population. It wants jobs, and industry. So that is Nevada's decision. Perhaps it does not have California's crushing need for environmental controls. China doesn't seem to mind poisoning the air of its cities. So that's the decision China made.
California minds big-time.
By the way you do know that Teslas are built here, right? (Old NUMMI plant, right in the Bay Area).
As for 21 mpg vs. 36 mpg, here again this is blue sky data plucked from the air. If you compare a 2016 Jetta gas car with a 2016 Jetta TDI you will find a very slim margin of MPG differences.
Historically this is nothing new for California. CA forced the automakers to conform to its standards. CA is the 600 lb gorilla in the automobile market and shows no signs of slowing down in that regard.
So California is simply doing what it has always done. If you want to play here, you have to follow the rules.
I'm a bit surprised you haven't made note of this decades-long agenda in California. It's the way things have been since the 1960s.
The Bavarian automaker sells multiple vehicles in the U.S. with 2.0L 4-cyl. and 3.0L 6-cyl. diesel engines, and executives say the take-rate for diesels has remained about the same since the news broke in Wolfsburg in September.
But the negative impact on diesel engines overall seems inevitable, says Wolfgang Stütz, general manager-advanced development of diesel engines for BMW."
VW Saga Will Hurt Diesel Market, BMW Exec Says (wardsauto.com)
Just not enough to ban products made in less than environmentally sound conditions by slave labor.
By the way you do know that Teslas are built here, right? (Old NUMMI plant, right in the Bay Area).
Assembled from parts made all over the World.
I'm a bit surprised you haven't made note of this decades-long agenda in California. It's the way things have been since the 1960s.
Well aware of what CA has been like since 1943. That is one reason I got out of here in 1970 and went where the good jobs were at. I would sure hate to be trying to make a living here today. Jobs in my field pay less than I was making in 1980. You may be proud of the fact that CA has pushed out thousands of companies. I don't see it helping the state sustain its obese budget.
"It's truck after truck after truck and cars sliding off the roadway," Jude said. "We're going car to car now to get people off the road."
It's not clear how many people have been affected, but pictures on social media show dozens of cars and trucks stuck on the highway.
Among them is Caitlin Centner, a reporter for CNN affiliate WKYT.
She's been on the highway since 5:30 p.m. Friday and had "not moved a single inch since" when she spoke to CNN early Saturday morning.
Centner said she can see more than 100 cars for about a half-mile ahead of her. People nearby are running out of gas, and many have been without food and water for a long time.
When you are stuck in snow on an Interstate, you wish you had a Passat/Jetta TDI with a 800 mile range in a single fuel tank
Earlier Flint council at the time wanted to change supply of water from Detroit Water to a new group of users that was being put together who would use water from Lake Huron, as does Detroit Water. That new group [of cities] would have their structure in place in about 2 years. But Detroit Water cut them off since Flint had voted to leave in two years.
I am not clear if that was a clause in the existing contract with Detroit Water or just punitive action on the part of Detroit Water that they would not supply Flint for the interim 2 years until the new group would be ready to supply their own water from Lake Huron at a lower cost.
The water from the Flint river that was in place was more acidic than the water from Detroit Water that had been coursing through the pipes for years. So copper and lead in the pipe that normally would leach at very low levels was catching up from the mild pH environment to the new water's pH.
As to the Governor Snyder attacks, check the political allegiance of the city council and mayor who were in place whent the vote to leave Detroit Water and who voted to use the river water. You'll see why little is being said about their culpability.
Myself, I would go after Detroit Water for not supplying water until the transition to the new water system was safe and in place. Cutting off the Huron water that was coming through Detroit Water because Flint and others were forming their own cheaper Huron water source is criminal.
As to the big hoopla from the media folks who give us their political opinions that it was racism and hatred of people on low incomes that the governor--not the city--had for the people in the City of Flint, I heard a state legislator say that there were two zip codes in Michigan with higher percents of tests showing lead levels in people's blood.
I.e., the copper and lead pipe problem may be more omnipresent than many folks would like to believe around the country with the aged infrastructures in place through which our water and sewage are handled. Could be in your community's pipes. Just like enforcing pollution laws on VW diesels, the polluters must be held accountable.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
As did Mississippi, Tennessee (I lived there during the Blanton pardon selling days), Idaho and of course here in New Mexico. Alaska was a different kind of corruption - it was small enough you could actually meet the powers that be (and get some small time palm greasing that way, plus there was so much cash floating around, no one much cared where it went).
Wouldn't surprise me to learn that VW put a lot of political pressure on CARB to regulate the difficult parts of the emission test away, and to just rely on the OBDII read out. No sniffers?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
mmmm donuts.
You have to remember the Prius have been exempt! In 2004/2005 the EPA/ CARB took the unusual step of dumbing down a time tested test so hybrids could "cheat", albeit legally!? They still couldn't make the grade of their own blather! So you really think they'll pass ?
Oh, but avoid breathing when you hit your neighborhood CARB station - that stuff is bad for you.
Report: Many Volkswagen Managers Knew About ‘Defeat Device’
I can't even make this stuff up !
I have a large # (12) of close family that routinely go back-and-forth to Boston, MA. My money is on a family member coming back (today) will be on time !
Funny how liberals will never blame the agency that is supposed to be doing their job? Always someone else's fault or they want to throw more money at the problem. Never occurs to them that civil servants could be a bunch of lazy feather bedding people. Notice how it only took a couple days to get rid of the VW CEO and several engineers. How many EPA/CARB execs have fallen on the sword? Or are we saying corporate people are far smarter than anyone working in Government?
And here I thought I was getting shortchanged !? http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/22/european-authorities-vw-compensation-program/
But then again, $500 and ULSD being the cheapest price ($1.93, expensive locally) in many years.... Life is good! Well, 259 gals on VW A anyway.
Something tells me that those folks are blaming VW more than CARB/EPA.
A start would be if EPA/CARB refunded the monies for non smog tests they made me do masquerading as smog tests. ( $60 buys 31 gal of ULSD) I suspect Armageddon and Jesus' second coming are more of a sure thing!
So is there any question that( @ least) Tesla is a (government) EV monopoly? http://news.yahoo.com/china-cuts-green-car-subsidies-automakers-electric-dreams-152724174--sector.html
I wonder if CARB still actively hires "scientists" with fake degrees.
I hope to never have to own another gas powered small engine (other than the one that will be in the Prius we'll probably buy). )
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I am partial to Korean cars lately and Hyundai, unlike Toyota, doesn't have mandatory binding arbitration so I could more easily do a lemon law claim if I got a lemon.
Gee, push a car decision 9 months down the road? Does that sound like me? By the time the Ioniq gets to the pipeline, so will the new Prius Five wagon that's running a year behind the new Prius hatch.
Something tells me that those folks are blaming VW more than CARB/EPA.
No way of knowing the Demographics of VW TDI owners. Of all the ones I have seen not a single one had an Obama sticker on it.
Here is my position on the EPA/CARB. The tax payers hand them huge bundles of cash each year to protect our environment. Supposedly EPA tests 15% of all models sold to US. Yet over the 7 year range of VW TDI models not a single one was tested by them. Which tells me they are incapable of doing a good job and should be slapped around by the tax payers. I got a feeling a lot of people in Colorado would like to see them just go away before they do any more damage to the environment.
Which means the right of center needs to vote in people that will force the EPA to do their jobs a lot better than they have. They are great at Writing regulations that make it difficult for businesses to survive in the USA. Just don't bother to follow through.
Just heard that a Leaf owner filled up at a Tesla station and had to have his fuel system purged....
Many managers and staff dealing with emissions problems in the department knew of or were involved in developing the "defeat devices", said the newspaper, which researched the matter with regional broadcasters NDR and WDR."
VW probe finds manipulation was open secret in department (money-marketuk.com)
Well, how about those Denver Broncos?
Slow diesel News Day! . Costco, Folsom CA, ULSD $1.89,
RUG $2.17, PUG $2.39
http://jalopnik.com/this-couple-is-driving-cross-country-to-return-their-po-1753421381
Interesting logic used by this fine pair. My vehicle pollutes a lot, and my sensitive little heart finds that offensive. Best thing for me to do is drive it cross country and beg for attention. No doubt gobs of time and money to spare, I feel a "for thee, not me" lecture from types like this.