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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    andres3 said:



    I find it odd that Honda, a company known for great manual transmissions, is pushing CVT's when Kia is doing dual clutch autos. Maybe they'll learn. Can't get that triple clutch automatic transmission they patented recently out fast enough! They need that thing like yesterday.

    Honda is known for reliability, not innovation, not the latest and greatest technology. "Latest and greatest" does not make for "reliability".

    2023 Chevrolet Silverado, 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    PF_Flyer said:
    Yea, had one of those 2-speed beauties in my '73 Vega (that makes me shiver just to think about it) Useless safety tip of the day... NEVER try to see how fast a Vega will go on a straight stretch of interstate... not unless you took your Momma's advice and had clean underwear handy! :s
    Didn't the Vega have a top speed of about 100 MPH? When I was in high school a friend of mine had an older brother who was trying to cram a small block V-8 into a Vega. Can't remember if he ever succeeded.
    That may have been the spec, but that would have to be test track conditions, not real world :)
    I would be surprised if a Vega couldn't do at least 90.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Back to baseball, it's been years but I can finally fly my T flag.  B)

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    henryn said:
    I find it odd that Honda, a company known for great manual transmissions, is pushing CVT's when Kia is doing dual clutch autos. Maybe they'll learn. Can't get that triple clutch automatic transmission they patented recently out fast enough! They need that thing like yesterday.
    Honda is known for reliability, not innovation, not the latest and greatest technology. "Latest and greatest" does not make for "reliability".
    True "latest and greatest" usually hasn't had all the bugs worked out and is prone to issues. Older technology that has had the bugs worked out tends to be more reliable. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045

    fintail said:

    Toyotas can rust here in the PNW, but it seems to take 30++ years for it to really set in.

    Mine took 3.
    Nowadays doesn't every manufacturer have at least a 10 year warranty on rust?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Just kidding---it's a vinyl wrap!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,800
    fintail said:

    I wonder if a normal Smart or normal non-Abarth 500 can do 100. I bet the Fiat can get to 110-120. Many modern mainstream cars can hit 120-140, at least when in good condition. I think my fintail was originally given a top speed of 106. I wouldn't want to try that today, but when in good tune and everything maintained, they are the kind of old cars that can do 85 all day without complaint.

    driver100 said:


    There are a lot of cars out today that I wouldn't go 100 mph in....SmartCar and Fiat come quickly to mind for a start.

    A quick search on the Fiat 500 turned up conflicting reports, but all over 100. I would say 115 seems about right and likely.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    GEEZ, I wouldn't go that fast in that little thing. One semi passing the other way and you're an errant hockey puck.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045
    Here's a typical '95 Neon review right on Edmunds User Reviews (Review by Kesha; not me; maybe the singer???:

    Review
    The Dodge Neon is the worst car I have ever had. I wanted the car because it was cheap. But the car repairs make up for the money that I was trying to save. I had to replace the head gasket. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix. The brakes are bad. They have to have a heavy duty liner on it to help it last a little longer. The car is loud when you drive it. The axle was bad. The heat doesn't work well at all. The clear coat on the paint is coming off. It just is a sad little car what can I say.

    Best Features
    None

    Worst Features
    Just do the opposite of what they did when they made it.


    I guarantee that the worst case scenario German car costs much less than the typical Neon for $/mile (not including purchase price) I like the line on worst features. Chrysler should do the opposite of what they think is right everytime, and they would make America great again.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,406
    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,284
    Back to baseball, it's been years but I can finally fly my T flag.  B)
    Tigers??  Tribe??  Texas??  Toronto??
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Must be the Rangers....
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    First time I ever saw a smart "in the wild" was on the Washington DC Beltway in typical beltway traffic. I'm not sure if the driver was breathing or not, but he sure looked like he might have had concerns about testing the Tridion safety shell ;)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,637

    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.
    I do and I may try to find the truck drivers record, though it won't change anything now.

    The insurance company doesn't seem to want to pay for the Tech Pkge on the 2017 model - $2600!
    Remember the 2015 car had a Premium PKge for $5000 that had all the features of the Premium Pkge plus these features, LED adoptive headlights, auto hi-beam activation, 360 degree top view camera. The 2017 model has the same Premium Pkge for $3000 , but to get those features they call it a Tech Pkge for $2600.

    I think they are trying to get away with whatever they can. I have sent an email to the ex-insurance company owner to see what recourse I have.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045
    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.
    I do and I may try to find the truck drivers record, though it won't change anything now.

    The insurance company doesn't seem to want to pay for the Tech Pkge on the 2017 model - $2600!
    Remember the 2015 car had a Premium PKge for $5000 that had all the features of the Premium Pkge plus these features, LED adoptive headlights, auto hi-beam activation, 360 degree top view camera. The 2017 model has the same Premium Pkge for $3000 , but to get those features they call it a Tech Pkge for $2600.

    I think they are trying to get away with whatever they can. I have sent an email to the ex-insurance company owner to see what recourse I have.
    Mercedes playing games with the options packages and prices surely isn't helping.

    Someone needs to invent an app where you choose all of your preferred options ala cart and then the app configures the closest real-world approximations to your selections given how the automaker limits option packages.

    Some automaker websites sort of do this in real-time by telling you when you are making an impossible combination (yellow exterior, red interior; nope can't do that, must select XYZ when choosing this option). My idea is better, just at the end auto configure 3 options that come close to what you want, some under budget, some over budget.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,637
    Seems the Vega's top speed depended on the engine...it had to be tuned just right.

    To evaluate the improvement in driveability, we updated our Vega to the new-model specifications. It's an altogether different car. The old holes in the throttle response have successfully been filled. But there has been a noticeable power loss, partially due to the cam and partly attributable to the air pump, which engineers say costs 7 hp at the peak. The car is slower. Top speed dropped from an indicated 105 mph to 95 mph and 1.0 mph disappeared from the quarter-mile speeds. But the car is so much easier to drive that the power loss is a fair trade.

    Full ARTICLE COMPARE VEGA TO PINTO

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045
    In case anyone missed the end all and be all of the speed kills myth discussion (you really missed out!), here is your weekend reading material from a PhD that knows what he's doing:

    http://www.vollynet.org.nz/Speed Limit Law and Fatality Rates.pdf
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    andres3 said:

    Here's a typical '95 Neon review right on Edmunds User Reviews (Review by Kesha; not me; maybe the singer???:

    Review
    The Dodge Neon is the worst car I have ever had. I wanted the car because it was cheap. But the car repairs make up for the money that I was trying to save. I had to replace the head gasket. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix. The brakes are bad. They have to have a heavy duty liner on it to help it last a little longer. The car is loud when you drive it. The axle was bad. The heat doesn't work well at all. The clear coat on the paint is coming off. It just is a sad little car what can I say.

    Best Features
    None

    Worst Features
    Just do the opposite of what they did when they made it.


    I guarantee that the worst case scenario German car costs much less than the typical Neon for $/mile (not including purchase price) I like the line on worst features. Chrysler should do the opposite of what they think is right everytime, and they would make America great again.

    Hardly a typical review for that car. There are 68 reviews for the 1995 neon and it received an average 3.5 stars (not great but not bad either). This person gave it only 1.5 stars and is only one of three (out of 68) that gave it less than 2 stars. While at the other end of the spectrum there were 18 people who gave it 5 stars.

    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    andres3 said:

    a PhD that knows what he's doing:

    Isn't that an oxymoron?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593

    Must be the Rangers....

    You're both wrong.

    It's been a long standing tradition for the Cubs to fly a white flag with a blue 'W' on it after the Cubs win and a blue flag with a white 'L' on it if the Cubs lost. This was done to let people going by the park on their way home the outcome of the game. Cubs fans wave the 'W' flags at games when the Cub win and some of the fans of opposing teams (especially those with strong rivalries) will wave the 'L' flag if the Cubs lose.

    Well last night due to rain the game ended early after 6 innings with a tie score (first MLB tied game in 11 years), so we can't fly the 'W' or the 'L' so we have to fly a 'T'.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,470


    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.

    Yeah, and there are still some running around even here in the salt belt. It's funny but the only mid-90s cars you see around here with any sort of regularity are these, Spirits, Cavaliers, and Grand Ams. Don't ask me why. No Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and don't even ask about Hyundais from that era. The Neon was obviously built to a price, hence the noise issues, and had some design flaws like the head gasket and brake pads. And like many other cars at the time they had some paint issues. But they were tough too.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045

    andres3 said:

    Here's a typical '95 Neon review right on Edmunds User Reviews (Review by Kesha; not me; maybe the singer???:

    Review
    The Dodge Neon is the worst car I have ever had. I wanted the car because it was cheap. But the car repairs make up for the money that I was trying to save. I had to replace the head gasket. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix. The brakes are bad. They have to have a heavy duty liner on it to help it last a little longer. The car is loud when you drive it. The axle was bad. The heat doesn't work well at all. The clear coat on the paint is coming off. It just is a sad little car what can I say.

    Best Features
    None

    Worst Features
    Just do the opposite of what they did when they made it.


    I guarantee that the worst case scenario German car costs much less than the typical Neon for $/mile (not including purchase price) I like the line on worst features. Chrysler should do the opposite of what they think is right everytime, and they would make America great again.

    Hardly a typical review for that car. There are 68 reviews for the 1995 neon and it received an average 3.5 stars (not great but not bad either). This person gave it only 1.5 stars and is only one of three (out of 68) that gave it less than 2 stars. While at the other end of the spectrum there were 18 people who gave it 5 stars.

    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.
    3.5 stars is pretty bad. Edmunds is really nice with the weighting and rounding for advertising purposes. Even my personal review somehow gave the Neon two stars, even though if you asked me directly, the summary conclusion would be zero stars (or 1 star if only between 1 and 5). I would say Edmunds has about a 1 to 1.5 star inflation model for the averaging. They must have a very low weight on the build quality rating. Most of the 5 star reviews look like they were written by Chrysler or UAW employees to be honest.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045
    edited September 2016
    ab348 said:


    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.

    Yeah, and there are still some running around even here in the salt belt. It's funny but the only mid-90s cars you see around here with any sort of regularity are these, Spirits, Cavaliers, and Grand Ams. Don't ask me why. No Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and don't even ask about Hyundais from that era. The Neon was obviously built to a price, hence the noise issues, and had some design flaws like the head gasket and brake pads. And like many other cars at the time they had some paint issues. But they were tough too.
    Don't forget about the suspect pre-mature death on all the rubber belts and batteries (along with pre-mature corrosion issues on the battery, and starter cables/wires). Don't forget the leaky trim oozing adhesive all over the windows, the gaskets/o-rings leaking gas, the failing O2 and fuel pumps, the suspect parking brake, the suspect AC system, and the suspect short-lived 3-speed automatic transmission, and the overall generally poor performance that degrades pre-maturely.

    Edmunds own summary review says to stay away from the ones that have had transmission or engine issues. That would be pretty much all of them if you consider head gaskets an engine issue.

    I'd suspect most of the Neon's still on the road have doubled their original MSRP in repair bills by now (not including regular maintenance). Some people just don't understand how money works I guess.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    PF_Flyer said:

    First time I ever saw a smart "in the wild" was on the Washington DC Beltway in typical beltway traffic. I'm not sure if the driver was breathing or not, but he sure looked like he might have had concerns about testing the Tridion safety shell ;)

    First time I ever saw a Smart in the wild was at a driving event they held, I was able to drive one. It was in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago. For you who don't know Lincoln park is very dense in population and in traffic. narrow city streets with tight maneuvering spaces, plenty of buses and pedestrians all about. Traffic moves through there slowly. I'll tell you I was really impressed with that car in that environment. It handled that dense urban driving great, nimble enough to get around and through small spaces and the transmission worked well in that type of driving.

    Now in with the type of performance driving that most here prefer you will not get that with the Smart, but for driving in tightly packed urban jungles it does great.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    andres3 said:

    In case anyone missed the end all and be all of the speed kills myth discussion (you really missed out!), here is your weekend reading material from a PhD that knows what he's doing:

    http://www.vollynet.org.nz/Speed Limit Law and Fatality Rates.pdf

    What's his PhD in?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,045

    PF_Flyer said:

    First time I ever saw a smart "in the wild" was on the Washington DC Beltway in typical beltway traffic. I'm not sure if the driver was breathing or not, but he sure looked like he might have had concerns about testing the Tridion safety shell ;)

    First time I ever saw a Smart in the wild was at a driving event they held, I was able to drive one. It was in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago. For you who don't know Lincoln park is very dense in population and in traffic. narrow city streets with tight maneuvering spaces, plenty of buses and pedestrians all about. Traffic moves through there slowly. I'll tell you I was really impressed with that car in that environment. It handled that dense urban driving great, nimble enough to get around and through small spaces and the transmission worked well in that type of driving.

    Now in with the type of performance driving that most here prefer you will not get that with the Smart, but for driving in tightly packed urban jungles it does great.
    Surely some performance fanatic can figure out how to shoehorn an AMG V8 into a Smart Car. Now that would be interesting.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989


    Two things I learned....

    1) selling a manual transmission anything is difficult for dealers as fewer and fewer people know how to drive them. Therefore, they don't put many on the lot. In the case of the Mustang, the salesman actually admitted he had to get a lot boy to pull it from the back lot as he didn't know how to drive a manual trans car.

    I know I mentioned before that in high school I was a "lot boy" so talking from experience I can definitely say that many a lot boy learned to drive a manual on the dealership inventory. So all you buying cars with manual transmissions be aware that the gears of your brand new car might have been grinded by the lot boy.
    I can attest to that.

    After his junior year in high school Son #1 wanted to work at a very large Chevy dealership near us for the summer so he applied for the job as lot boy/car washer. One of the questions on the job application was, "can you drive a standard transmission"?

    After he learned on my automatic I showed him how to drive a stick that belonged to a friend who had a beater and was willing to let him learn on that. Almost right from the beginning, yes he stalled it a few times and lightly polished a few gears, but he got it down pat better than I did when I learned how to drive a stick. Any way, he answered "yes" to the question. Got a call the next day to come in for an interview. The first question asked of him by the SM was, "can you really drive a stick because if you can you have a good chance of getting this job but we are going to talk to other kids before we decide who to hire. We had to let the kid that had this job go before he ruined too many cars. So, don't make me waste my time taking you on a test drive if you can't drive a stick". My son took the test drive and waited to hear from the SM who said he did pretty good. The SM called the next morning and told him he got the job because he did a LOT better than the other kids that he interviewd and wanted him to start right away, like that day! Since this was at the start of the Summer he went down immediately.

    The part he liked best about this job was that they took him to a couple actions along with other employees so that he could drive cars back to the dealership. He became the designated "stick shift driver" because not too many employees could be trusted with a stick. He likes to tell the story about how he damn near wet his pants one time when they let him drive a Vette back to the store. Just before he is about to drive back the SM said, "if you so much as scratch this car I'll have your [non-permissible content removed] and it will come out of your pay, believe me". :@

    I was very surprised that they would let a kid drive anything back from an action let alone a Vette even in the late '80's. I doubt that a kid today could do that no matter how well he could drive a stick.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    edited September 2016
    andres3 said:

    andres3 said:

    Here's a typical '95 Neon review right on Edmunds User Reviews (Review by Kesha; not me; maybe the singer???:

    Review
    The Dodge Neon is the worst car I have ever had. I wanted the car because it was cheap. But the car repairs make up for the money that I was trying to save. I had to replace the head gasket. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix. The brakes are bad. They have to have a heavy duty liner on it to help it last a little longer. The car is loud when you drive it. The axle was bad. The heat doesn't work well at all. The clear coat on the paint is coming off. It just is a sad little car what can I say.

    Best Features
    None

    Worst Features
    Just do the opposite of what they did when they made it.


    I guarantee that the worst case scenario German car costs much less than the typical Neon for $/mile (not including purchase price) I like the line on worst features. Chrysler should do the opposite of what they think is right everytime, and they would make America great again.

    Hardly a typical review for that car. There are 68 reviews for the 1995 neon and it received an average 3.5 stars (not great but not bad either). This person gave it only 1.5 stars and is only one of three (out of 68) that gave it less than 2 stars. While at the other end of the spectrum there were 18 people who gave it 5 stars.

    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.
    3.5 stars is pretty bad. Edmunds is really nice with the weighting and rounding for advertising purposes. Even my personal review somehow gave the Neon two stars, even though if you asked me directly, the summary conclusion would be zero stars (or 1 star if only between 1 and 5). I would say Edmunds has about a 1 to 1.5 star inflation model for the averaging. They must have a very low weight on the build quality rating. Most of the 5 star reviews look like they were written by Chrysler or UAW employees to be honest.
    No, 3.5 out of 5 isn't bad, not great but then not bad.

    remember that the good reviews 4 and 5 stars outnumbered the bad reviews 3 stars and less. And the fact you picked one of the worst reviews and claimed it was a typical review while all the time apparently ignoring the vast number of good reviews the car got.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    jmonroe said:


    Two things I learned....

    1) selling a manual transmission anything is difficult for dealers as fewer and fewer people know how to drive them. Therefore, they don't put many on the lot. In the case of the Mustang, the salesman actually admitted he had to get a lot boy to pull it from the back lot as he didn't know how to drive a manual trans car.

    I know I mentioned before that in high school I was a "lot boy" so talking from experience I can definitely say that many a lot boy learned to drive a manual on the dealership inventory. So all you buying cars with manual transmissions be aware that the gears of your brand new car might have been grinded by the lot boy.
    I can attest to that.

    After his junior year in high school Son #1 wanted to work at a very large Chevy dealership near us for the summer so he applied for the job as lot boy/car washer. One of the questions on the job application was, "can you drive a standard transmission"?

    After he learned on my automatic I showed him how to drive a stick that belonged to a friend who had a beater and was willing to let him learn on that. Almost right from the beginning, yes he stalled it a few times and lightly polished a few gears, but he got it down pat better than I did when I learned how to drive a stick. Any way, he answered "yes" to the question. Got a call the next day to come in for an interview. The first question asked of him by the SM was, "can you really drive a stick because if you can you have a good chance of getting this job but we are going to talk to other kids before we decide who to hire. We had to let the kid that had this job go before he ruined too many cars. So, don't make me waste my time taking you on a test drive if you can't drive a stick". My son took the test drive and waited to hear from the SM who said he did pretty good. The SM called the next morning and told him he got the job because he did a LOT better than the other kids that he interviewd and wanted him to start right away, like that day! Since this was at the start of the Summer he went down immediately.

    The part he liked best about this job was that they took him to a couple actions along with other employees so that he could drive cars back to the dealership. He became the designated "stick shift driver" because not too many employees could be trusted with a stick. He likes to tell the story about how he damn near wet his pants one time when they let him drive a Vette back to the store. Just before he is about to drive back the SM said, "if you so much as scratch this car I'll have your [non-permissible content removed] and it will come out of your pay, believe me". :@

    I was very surprised that they would let a kid drive anything back from an action let alone a Vette even in the late '80's. I doubt that a kid today could do that no matter how well he could drive a stick.

    jmonroe
    That reminds me of a time when I worked there we got a few cars that were for the local police department. Large V8's with guess what else, us kids should not have been driving those.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited September 2016
    andres3 said:

    andres3 said:

    Here's a typical '95 Neon review right on Edmunds User Reviews (Review by Kesha; not me; maybe the singer???:

    Review
    The Dodge Neon is the worst car I have ever had. I wanted the car because it was cheap. But the car repairs make up for the money that I was trying to save. I had to replace the head gasket. It cost me a thousand dollars to fix. The brakes are bad. They have to have a heavy duty liner on it to help it last a little longer. The car is loud when you drive it. The axle was bad. The heat doesn't work well at all. The clear coat on the paint is coming off. It just is a sad little car what can I say.

    Best Features
    None

    Worst Features
    Just do the opposite of what they did when they made it.


    I guarantee that the worst case scenario German car costs much less than the typical Neon for $/mile (not including purchase price) I like the line on worst features. Chrysler should do the opposite of what they think is right everytime, and they would make America great again.

    Hardly a typical review for that car. There are 68 reviews for the 1995 neon and it received an average 3.5 stars (not great but not bad either). This person gave it only 1.5 stars and is only one of three (out of 68) that gave it less than 2 stars. While at the other end of the spectrum there were 18 people who gave it 5 stars.

    As for your guarantee, not worth much as I know people who spent more on brake jobs for high end Benz's then we spent altogether on our Neon. IIRC in a little more than 50K of driving (bought used with 60K+ on the clock) all we put into it was oil changes and a brake job. Ignoring the price of the car, insurance and gas we likely paid out less than a penny a mile.
    3.5 stars is pretty bad. Edmunds is really nice with the weighting and rounding for advertising purposes. Even my personal review somehow gave the Neon two stars, even though if you asked me directly, the summary conclusion would be zero stars (or 1 star if only between 1 and 5). I would say Edmunds has about a 1 to 1.5 star inflation model for the averaging. They must have a very low weight on the build quality rating. Most of the 5 star reviews look like they were written by Chrysler or UAW employees to be honest.
    Huh? Consumers write reviews and we publish them (unless they are obscene or something). There's no massaging of the data to keep FCA happy (nor are the Renegade's transmission issues glossed over). You can look at each individual review and see how people rated comfort or reliability or whatever. What Ph.D. told you that? :p

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    I still see an old Neon or two around here, and the later run cars aren't terribly rare yet. The coupes are thin on the ground, likely being used for banger racing, I think. Old Civics and Corollas (90s era) are still a dime a dozen - in the climate here, neglect will claim them before the elements. Still quite a few small GMs of the era. It seems Hyunkias of the era recently became uncommon,

    Speaking of kids working for a dealer and crazy cars, when I got the E250, I arranged for the dealership to give me a loaner and drive me back to my car when the dashcam was moved over. I got a ride back from a young attendant who was driving a 2013 E63, a nice high option car. He nearly crashed it just as we pulled out of the lot, not checking for cross traffic. That was interesting.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,406
    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.
    I do and I may try to find the truck drivers record, though it won't change anything now.

    The insurance company doesn't seem to want to pay for the Tech Pkge on the 2017 model - $2600!
    Remember the 2015 car had a Premium PKge for $5000 that had all the features of the Premium Pkge plus these features, LED adoptive headlights, auto hi-beam activation, 360 degree top view camera. The 2017 model has the same Premium Pkge for $3000 , but to get those features they call it a Tech Pkge for $2600.

    I think they are trying to get away with whatever they can. I have sent an email to the ex-insurance company owner to see what recourse I have.
    I think it's time to start complaining about headaches and dizzy spells. You might also want to complain that your chances on "Dancing With the Stars" have been diminished.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593

    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.
    I do and I may try to find the truck drivers record, though it won't change anything now.

    The insurance company doesn't seem to want to pay for the Tech Pkge on the 2017 model - $2600!
    Remember the 2015 car had a Premium PKge for $5000 that had all the features of the Premium Pkge plus these features, LED adoptive headlights, auto hi-beam activation, 360 degree top view camera. The 2017 model has the same Premium Pkge for $3000 , but to get those features they call it a Tech Pkge for $2600.

    I think they are trying to get away with whatever they can. I have sent an email to the ex-insurance company owner to see what recourse I have.
    I think it's time to start complaining about headaches and dizzy spells. You might also want to complain that your chances on "Dancing With the Stars" have been diminished.

    I personally think it went from "Dancing With the Stars" to Dancing With the Hasbeens" to "Dancing With the 'Who Are These Guys Again'".

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,284
    Must be the Rangers....
    You're both wrong. It's been a long standing tradition for the Cubs to fly a white flag with a blue 'W' on it after the Cubs win and a blue flag with a white 'L' on it if the Cubs lost. This was done to let people going by the park on their way home the outcome of the game. Cubs fans wave the 'W' flags at games when the Cub win and some of the fans of opposing teams (especially those with strong rivalries) will wave the 'L' flag if the Cubs lose. Well last night due to rain the game ended early after 6 innings with a tie score (first MLB tied game in 11 years), so we can't fly the 'W' or the 'L' so we have to fly a 'T'.
    Ah, thanks for clarifying.  First tie in MLB since 2005, I believe.
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    I do have a question for the Mercedes crowd here. On the way to work this morning I got behind a Benz SUV. While stopped in traffic for a series of lights I could easily see the drivers side mirror and I noticed that the blind spot warning light was on when we were stopped. I found this very odd as we were in the left lane with a wide raised divider separating us from oncoming traffic so there was nothing there that would set it off. As we drove off it stayed on until we hit about 20 MPH then went off. It seemed to come on again once the speed went below 20 MPH. All this time s/he was in the left lane with nothing to his/her left to set it off.

    My question is that blind spot warning supposed to act like that and why?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989

    Just kidding---it's a vinyl wrap!

    Well at least you'll be given the right of way at 4 way stop signs.

    My first second car was a rusted out '67 Chevy Impala 2 door (Power Glide tranny) that my Father wanted to give to me so that Mrs. j didn't have to get up, dress Son #1 and take me to work, which was a whapping 3 miles away, when she needed to have the car. I didn't want the beast if for nothing else other than I didn't even think that it was worth the cost of the additional insurance but he insisted so I gave him about $200 for it in the early 70's. Mrs. j refused to drive it, so she inherited my car, which I knew she would. Therefore, I became the owner of this beast.

    This thing had rusted out rocker panels and the lower part of the rear fenders plus a few other area. I remember patching it for my Father when it was his third car that he used as a beater. I never bothered to even putty or paint this thing, just pop riveted on galvanized sheet metal from old duct work and left it at that. I guess people must have thought that anything that looked like that couldn't have working brakes (it did and I made sure of that). So, when I came to a 4 way stop sign every one wanted me to go first. I mentioned this to Mrs. j a few times when I was coming to a 4 way stop but she didn't think it was so funny. She didn't even want to be seen in it and thought I should at least "paint it a little".

    That thing wasn't worth a little of anything but it did give me the right of way at stop signs. So who am I to complain? ;)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,637

    driver100 said:

    driver100 said:

    Update on my accident 081616.
    Briefly, I stopped for yellow light, big waste truck plowed into us....his excuse, he thought I was going thru the yellow light so he kept going. Cop thought this made sense and didn't charge him.

    Insurance company tried to offer me about $3000 less than a replacement car would cost. They found a dealer who left off an option that included LED headlights, enhanced hi beam features, top view camera, that were all on the 2015 car. Insurance company asked for an invoice from my dealer, that was 2 weeks ago, haven't heard anything from them. Maybe they are shopping around to see if they can buy it for less somewhere. It has been 2 weeks since they requested the information.

    In a way it is better because they are still paying for the rental car, once they pay me, they won't pay for the rental. BTW...this little X1 is a great handling little car.....and is actually a lot of fun to drive. Steering is super firm though - but, you get to like it. If anyone wants to know what a difference driving something that is fun is, try one of these. I would buy this over that Chryco 300 anytime.

    I got a call from the Supervisor of Collision Reconstruction. He said they have science and can reconstruct what happened and there is no way I should be blamed in any way for the accident. He assured me my insurance rates would not be affected since I was not at fault on the collision report. He said the cop did not do his job properly, he will have to rewrite the collision report, and he will be monitored going forward. They can't charge the truck driver after the fact and he couldn't discuss the truck drivers driving record - which leads me to believe there could have been past problems. I can take it further but I got nothing to gain at this point....I think everyone learned something and hopefully the system will be better for it.

    Well of course you can't be blamed. You don't need any fancy scientists to tell you that. As to the truck driver's record, here in NY you can get anyone's driving record for 10 bucks if you have their license number. Should be on the accident report.
    I do and I may try to find the truck drivers record, though it won't change anything now.

    The insurance company doesn't seem to want to pay for the Tech Pkge on the 2017 model - $2600!
    Remember the 2015 car had a Premium PKge for $5000 that had all the features of the Premium Pkge plus these features, LED adoptive headlights, auto hi-beam activation, 360 degree top view camera. The 2017 model has the same Premium Pkge for $3000 , but to get those features they call it a Tech Pkge for $2600.

    I think they are trying to get away with whatever they can. I have sent an email to the ex-insurance company owner to see what recourse I have.
    I think it's time to start complaining about headaches and dizzy spells. You might also want to complain that your chances on "Dancing With the Stars" have been diminished.

    Good point, I should tell them my neck pain feels a lot worse when I have to argue over a $2600 option, that they should give me. It seems to get better when I don't have to think about it.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,637

    I do have a question for the Mercedes crowd here. On the way to work this morning I got behind a Benz SUV. While stopped in traffic for a series of lights I could easily see the drivers side mirror and I noticed that the blind spot warning light was on when we were stopped. I found this very odd as we were in the left lane with a wide raised divider separating us from oncoming traffic so there was nothing there that would set it off. As we drove off it stayed on until we hit about 20 MPH then went off. It seemed to come on again once the speed went below 20 MPH. All this time s/he was in the left lane with nothing to his/her left to set it off.

    My question is that blind spot warning supposed to act like that and why?

    The blind spot warning is a solid orange when the car is stationary and up to 30 mph (you were still observant to say 20 mph)
    When you reach 30 mph the orange light goes off. Then it will flash if there is a car in your blindspot.
    If you put your signal light on, and if there is a car in your blindspot, there will be a loud beeping noise.

    I think it was designed this way because at low speeds you could have all kinds of cars next to you, and they would make the blindspot warning meaningless....so it really starts once you reach 30 mph.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    thebean said:



    Must be the Rangers....

    You're both wrong.

    It's been a long standing tradition for the Cubs to fly a white flag with a blue 'W' on it after the Cubs win and a blue flag with a white 'L' on it if the Cubs lost. This was done to let people going by the park on their way home the outcome of the game. Cubs fans wave the 'W' flags at games when the Cub win and some of the fans of opposing teams (especially those with strong rivalries) will wave the 'L' flag if the Cubs lose.

    Well last night due to rain the game ended early after 6 innings with a tie score (first MLB tied game in 11 years), so we can't fly the 'W' or the 'L' so we have to fly a 'T'.


    Ah, thanks for clarifying.  First tie in MLB since 2005, I believe.

    And the disappointing Pirates get to claim the other end of the tie. The way the Pirates played this year it would have been better to have more ties.

    Whoever said a "tie is like kissing your sister", never had to live with the uglies the Pirates are hanging out with now. :o

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I know I mentioned before that in high school I was a "lot boy" so talking from experience I can definitely say that many a lot boy learned to drive a manual on the dealership inventory. So all you buying cars with manual transmissions be aware that the gears of your brand new car might have been grinded by the lot boy.

    When I was in high school driver's ed had a 65 Coronet, Impala or Galaxie. You could request a specific one for your behind the wheel. They also had an old 57 Chevy with 3 on the tree for anyone needing to learn stick shift. My dad had a Ford with 3 on the tree, so I opted to learn on the Coronet. I liked the idea of a lighter weight car with a bigger 318 V8 B)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,647
    I might date myself...my driver's ed car was a Plymouth Acclaim. Small town, that was the "good" car (it was fairly new). The other car was a Ford Fairmont, which was pretty old even then. It apparently had a stalling problem, and people kept away from it.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    So no V8 for you ;)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,815
    I've mentioned this story before but heck, I am old, so will repeat myself.

    I had driver's ed when the downsized FS chevy's were fairly new (it was 1978). At that point, all my driving was in a Beetle and a Volvo 144. Both sticks, manual steering and brakes. So, I had developed certain "habits".

    first time I drove the Chebby, teacher had us go from one telephone pole, and stop at the next one. Well, starting was fine, I knew how ATs worked. But, power brakes were a new concept. Get to the next pole, and mash the brake pedal. I think I bounced the front bumper off the road it stopped so hard. Had to adjust the touch after that.

    Hey, you try stopping a 4 wheel disk manual brake 69 Volvo without some serious pressure on the pedal. It ain't happening!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    stickguy said:

    I've mentioned this story before but heck, I am old, so will repeat myself.

    I had driver's ed when the downsized FS chevy's were fairly new (it was 1978). At that point, all my driving was in a Beetle and a Volvo 144. Both sticks, manual steering and brakes. So, I had developed certain "habits".

    first time I drove the Chebby, teacher had us go from one telephone pole, and stop at the next one. Well, starting was fine, I knew how ATs worked. But, power brakes were a new concept. Get to the next pole, and mash the brake pedal. I think I bounced the front bumper off the road it stopped so hard. Had to adjust the touch after that.

    Hey, you try stopping a 4 wheel disk manual brake 69 Volvo without some serious pressure on the pedal. It ain't happening!

    The opposite thing happened to a friend of mine.

    I was moving into our second house in 1989 and I needed his '77 GMC pickup for a few things before the new buyers closed on my old house that I left there after I moved to the second house. He said, "take your time I won't need it over the weekend so don't worry about keeping it for more than one day". I said take my sons car he's off at school (Penn State) so he won't need it, so he accepted my offer. Son #1 had a '74 Olds Omega with a 350 V8 but it had standard brakes.

    The following Monday when I got to work I went to his desk and gave him his keys. He said, "it should be illegal to put that engine in that car without power brakes and you should have warned me it didn't have power brakes. The first time after I got it up to speed checking it out and came to a stop sign, I damn near didn't get it stopped in time. Don't ever do that to me again". :@

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,406
    edited October 2016
    stickguy said:

    I've mentioned this story before but heck, I am old, so will repeat myself.

    I had driver's ed when the downsized FS chevy's were fairly new (it was 1978). At that point, all my driving was in a Beetle and a Volvo 144. Both sticks, manual steering and brakes. So, I had developed certain "habits".

    first time I drove the Chebby, teacher had us go from one telephone pole, and stop at the next one. Well, starting was fine, I knew how ATs worked. But, power brakes were a new concept. Get to the next pole, and mash the brake pedal. I think I bounced the front bumper off the road it stopped so hard. Had to adjust the touch after that.

    Hey, you try stopping a 4 wheel disk manual brake 69 Volvo without some serious pressure on the pedal. It ain't happening!

    I had the opposite problem in driver's ed. Started off on dad's 66 Polara wagon with very touchy power brakes. So my gentle touch didn't work in the Plymouth with non power brakes the school used. Almost went up on a lawn when I tried to stop.

    Do any cars have non power brakes any more?

    Isn't if funny how clear your memories are from 1968 but you can't remember what you had for breakfast today?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    In Driver's Ed in the early 80's we had all Chevy's- Chevette's, Malibu's and Caprice's. It was a lucky day to get the Caprice - they were well-equipped, had a V-8 (they made us check the oil) and were roomy. I remember the Malibu as being cramped for a mid-sized car. The Chevette's were very uncomfortable, and would hardly accelerate with four people aboard.
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,637
    edited October 2016
    What always bothered me the most about a Chevette was the steering wheel that came out at an angle. That is what I call unacceptable engineering.....how could you make a car so poorly designed? And, why would anyone overlook that when buying a car.......obviously, most people just don't care.

    I thought I might be the only one who noticed this, but, obviously this salesman who sold them experienced the same major flaw;

    The test drive in a Chevette was an experience. You had to be a contortionist because the driver’s seat did not sit square. It wasn’t exactly facing the front. The steering wheel came at you from an angle and it was off center. So much so that your right hand would be about two inches closer to your body than your left. For the driver it all came together with the hump in the floor from the transmission, remember the Chevette was still rear wheel drive. So all of the pedals were offset to the left. So your driving position was crooked, with your upper torso twisted to the right and your legs twisted to the left and your arms at two different lengths, in other words, a chiropractors dream.

    SALESMAN TRYING TO SELL A CHEVETTE


    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    edited October 2016

    My question is that blind spot warning supposed to act like that and why?

    The blind spot warning is a solid orange when the car is stationary and up to 30 mph (you were still observant to say 20 mph).

    That's a strange way for the blind spot warning to operate. Why wouldn't it turn off if there's no one in the danger area?

    My '14 Malibu's blind spot is off until there's someone in the adjacent lane, then it turns on solid. If I start to change lanes the lane control beeps and the light in the mirror flashes. If I turn on my turn signal and there's someone in the blind area, the light in the mirror flashes like crazy, whether I wander over the lane markers or not.

    Sitting still there's no orange light blinding me from the mirror if the lane's empty.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989

    stickguy said:

    I've mentioned this story before but heck, I am old, so will repeat myself.

    I had driver's ed when the downsized FS chevy's were fairly new (it was 1978). At that point, all my driving was in a Beetle and a Volvo 144. Both sticks, manual steering and brakes. So, I had developed certain "habits".

    first time I drove the Chebby, teacher had us go from one telephone pole, and stop at the next one. Well, starting was fine, I knew how ATs worked. But, power brakes were a new concept. Get to the next pole, and mash the brake pedal. I think I bounced the front bumper off the road it stopped so hard. Had to adjust the touch after that.

    Hey, you try stopping a 4 wheel disk manual brake 69 Volvo without some serious pressure on the pedal. It ain't happening!

    I had the opposite problem in driver's ed. Started off on dad's 66 Polara wagon with very touchy power brakes. So my gentle touch didn't work in the Plymouth with non power brakes the school used. Almost went up on a lawn when I tried to stop.

    Do any cars have non power brakes any more?

    Isn't if funny how clear your memories are from 1968 but you can't remember what you had for breakfast today?
    Breakfast? I can't even remember if I woke up today! :o

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

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