Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

Mr_Shiftright · October 2016

I might squeeze one in.

xwesx · October 2016

Mr_Shiftright said:
I might squeeze one in.

Spoiler alert!

But, on a serious note, two months with no buys on this thread? We might as well just shut it down.

stickguy · October 2016

if it wasn't for the TDI flurry, I would be sitting pretty.

on that C300, I would already be up looking if I was buying now. I trust that dealer so assume it is legit. But, I suspect it will be sold quickly and I never will know.

I hope these deals are popping up a year from now when I actually need a car!

qbrozen · October 2016

There will be more punches.

stickguy · October 2016

only if VW gets to you before January!

I still think this year needs to have an asterisk assigned because of all the TDI arbitrage monkey business.

corvette · October 2016

stickguy said:

I still think this year needs to have an asterisk assigned because of all the TDI arbitrage monkey business.

breld and possibly qbrozen might have bought something anyway if they didn't buy a TDI. In my instance, I agree, I wouldn't have bought anything if it weren't for the TDI.

stickguy · October 2016

well Breld is his own category. But even QB, if he did pull the plug on the caddy, would not have bought 2 subsequent cars (most likely!)

stickguy · October 2016

update on that C class. Just noticed that they adjusted the price on the dealer site (from 14,987 to 17,987). Wonder if it was just a typo earlier? Still out on cars.com at the lower price. Still, not a bad price. Just not quite as screaming of a deal!

stickguy · October 2016

I actually like this loaded but very slightly used 2016 MB corporate car.

Whole lot cheaper than buying the same thing from a dealer. only 7 months old too.

http://www.eimports4less.com/detail-2016-mercedes~benz-c~class-certified_c300_4matic_awd_sedan_camera_slash_navi-used-15573629.html

ab348 · October 2016

^^^ That's a handsome car.

corvette · October 2016

The new C-class looks too much like the CLA. Give me a GLE or whatever they call the M-class now.

stickguy · October 2016

that would be a GLE. A bit too big for me. The GLC though, that is a nice size.

roadburner · October 2016

I drove the i3 on a couple of errands tonight; it feels relatively quick and it's extremely nimble. Funny thing- when started on my errands it showed a range of 99 miles. I drove a bit over 7 miles and when I returned home it showed a range of 100 miles. Go figure.

And I'm convinced that the interior designers were fans of the Enterpise D bridge seen in Star Trek: The Next Generation:

stickguy · October 2016

sometimes my RTE calculation does that, if you start out getting higher MPG than it expects.

Michaell · October 2016

I've watched the DTE monitor in the Outback go from 400 to 450 miles when we do a road trip.

rb, were your errands in town? Lot of stop and go? Regenerative braking could add distance to the battery.

iluvmysephia1 · October 2016

Hey, roadburner, congratulations on the BMW i3 electric. Not really up on it's power propulsion but I do like the "chunky-modern" looks to that crossover. Or SUV. Or whatever they name it. Interested in what you think of it in the coming weeks. I really am starting to dig the titanium grey colors out now. Kia does their Soul very well in that shade. Someone across the street from us in Alamogordo, NM, bought a 2015 Kia Soul in Titanium Grey and it indeed rocks like Foghat on tour at the Seattle Center Coliseum in 1978.

stickguy · October 2016

if you want a deal on a loaded to the hilt Genny, here you go. 12K off sticker.

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2016-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V6_3.8L_AWD-Philadelphia-PA/2796747703

and pretty hefty discount on a nice loaded Elantra limited (a 2017 even)

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Hyundai-Elantra-Limited_2.0L_Automatic_PZEV-Philadelphia-PA/2793335103

28firefighter · October 2016

stickguy said:

if you want a deal on a loaded to the hilt Genny, here you go. 12K off sticker. http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2016-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V6_3.8L_AWD-Philadelphia-PA/2796747703 and pretty hefty discount on a nice loaded Elantra limited (a 2017 even) http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Hyundai-Elantra-Limited_2.0L_Automatic_PZEV-Philadelphia-PA/2793335103

Wow. That pricing on the Genesis is crazy. I wonder what that leases out to?

kyfdx · October 2016

28firefighter said:

stickguy said:

if you want a deal on a loaded to the hilt Genny, here you go. 12K off sticker.

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2016-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V6_3.8L_AWD-Philadelphia-PA/2796747703

and pretty hefty discount on a nice loaded Elantra limited (a 2017 even)

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Hyundai-Elantra-Limited_2.0L_Automatic_PZEV-Philadelphia-PA/2793335103

Wow. That pricing on the Genesis is crazy. I wonder what that leases out to?

I think they may have ended lease support for the 2016 Genesis.

Mr_Shiftright · October 2016

stickguy said:
I actually like this loaded but very slightly used 2016 MB corporate car.

Whole lot cheaper than buying the same thing from a dealer. only 7 months old too.

http://www.eimports4less.com/detail-2016-mercedes~benz-c~class-certified_c300_4matic_awd_sedan_camera_slash_navi-used-15573629.html

How is this car "certified" if it's not being sold by an MB dealer?

Mr_Shiftright · October 2016

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

stickguy said:

if you want a deal on a loaded to the hilt Genny, here you go. 12K off sticker.

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2016-Hyundai-Genesis-4dr_Sdn_V6_3.8L_AWD-Philadelphia-PA/2796747703

and pretty hefty discount on a nice loaded Elantra limited (a 2017 even)

http://www.faulknerhyundaiphilly.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Hyundai-Elantra-Limited_2.0L_Automatic_PZEV-Philadelphia-PA/2793335103

Wow. That pricing on the Genesis is crazy. I wonder what that leases out to?

I think they may have ended lease support for the 2016 Genesis.

With discounts like that, the resale value must be pretty grim.

kyfdx · October 2016

Mr_Shiftright said:

stickguy said:
I actually like this loaded but very slightly used 2016 MB corporate car.

Whole lot cheaper than buying the same thing from a dealer. only 7 months old too.

http://www.eimports4less.com/detail-2016-mercedes~benz-c~class-certified_c300_4matic_awd_sedan_camera_slash_navi-used-15573629.html
How is this car "certified" if it's not being sold by an MB dealer?

Short answer: It isn't.

stickguy · October 2016

well, some places mean they certify it. But in this case, it means it is under BtoB warranty still. But use, probably not the right wordage to use.

qbrozen · October 2016

Drove the Cayenne Turbo. In short, that thing is a BEAST! It is a bit unnerving getting something that big and heavy moving that fast in such a short amount of real estate. I actually feel concern that it won't stop in short order. There is a great deal to like about it, of course, but the seats aren't one of them. The bottom is just a bit too firm and the bolstering of the seat bottom is also irritating. I worry it would be a problem on long drives.

On the way home, I stopped to recheck on the H3. I still really like it. Great seats and it gives quite a sense of security. I think the power is largely adequate (this was a 3.7 model). I did discover one big fault I had not previously noticed or remember: the steering wheel is not telescopic. Really ruins an otherwise comfy driving experience.

Mr_Shiftright · October 2016

So you can't compensate using tilt and seat adjustments?

Yep that Cayenne is a porker---5200 lbs. But the weight doesn't seem to slow it down!

Biggest criticism of that model was that the cabin tech was woefully out of date for the times.

suydam · October 2016

I don't know. I always think, if their sales department is like that, how can you trust the service?

breld · October 2016

Interesting note on the TDI buyback - one of our dealer networks here (VW, Audi, Volvo, Mazda and Hyundai) is basically "fronting" the TDI buyback on trade. So they'll give you trade value equal to the stated buyback and then they're just storing the cars until they hand them back to VW.

We know this cause my wife wanted to check out GTIs today (in spite of the current tales of woe from @28firefighter). She drove a base S 6-speed and then also a previous gen Golf R. She liked both but still really likes her Mini. I think something like a Clubman will eventually win her over.

I took out a new CX-9 again and continue to be impressed with it. Definitely a more dynamic look and feel than, say, a Pilot or Highlander. I'll keep it on the list for if/when I move to a 3-row SUV.

stickguy · October 2016

do you know now exactly how much you will be getting (including the extra from the unclaimed pool)? Or is the dealer just giving you the set amount, and if so, what happens if a little more comes later?

breld · October 2016

Hmm - good question. I haven't heard anything yet on the "unclaimed" pool and doubt the dealership has any add'l info yet.

This would be great for @qbrozen, but for me, the proceeds are basically spoken for given the situation we continue to be in with owning 2 homes.

qbrozen · October 2016

Where is this dealership? Are they doing it for used cars? XC60 is still in my top 2.

Michaell · October 2016

qbrozen said:
Where is this dealership? Are they doing it for used cars? XC60 is still in my top 2.

The dealership is in Denver ... it's where I leased my Jetta.

Michaell · October 2016

qbrozen said:
Where is this dealership? Are they doing it for used cars? XC60 is still in my top 2.

You might be interested in this:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/10/now-volvo-wants-volkswagen-owners-new-best-friend/#more-1440841

qbrozen · October 2016

I knew about the safe and secure offer, which was on their website long before the final court approval, but the $750 cpo credit is new. I'll have to find out how that works.

stickguy · October 2016

I looked at that piece on TTAC. My take is, if you love your VW, the logical replacement is a gasser of the same model. Not like you can really get something comparable elsewhere with a diesel. So, if you are going back to gas, no need to change brands. Of course, some people probably refuse to buy another VW, so they don't count!

If you have a Golf, a new 2017 Wolfsburg has the 1.8t, and will push 40 on the highway. and you can get a stick! more equipment too, for a lot less than the tdi cost. And you fuel costs will barely go up anyway, if at all.

Michaell · October 2016

stickguy said:
I looked at that piece on TTAC. My take is, if you love your VW, the logical replacement is a gasser of the same model. Not like you can really get something comparable elsewhere with a diesel. So, if you are going back to gas, no need to change brands. Of course, some people probably refuse to buy another VW, so they don't count!

If you have a Golf, a new 2017 Wolfsburg has the 1.8t, and will push 40 on the highway. and you can get a stick! more equipment too, for a lot less than the tdi cost. And you fuel costs will barely go up anyway, if at all.

Try saying that in the "what would it take for you to drive a diesel" thread and see what happens.

corvette · October 2016

The Cruze diesel is probably comparable to the Golf/Jetta/Passat. And I think it's offered in hatchback form now. But, you can get a used gas Cruze turbo fully loaded inexpensively enough to pay for a lot of gas.

qbrozen · October 2016

stickguy said:

I looked at that piece on TTAC. My take is, if you love your VW, the logical replacement is a gasser of the same model. Not like you can really get something comparable elsewhere with a diesel. So, if you are going back to gas, no need to change brands. Of course, some people probably refuse to buy another VW, so they don't count! If you have a Golf, a new 2017 Wolfsburg has the 1.8t, and will push 40 on the highway. and you can get a stick! more equipment too, for a lot less than the tdi cost. And you fuel costs will barely go up anyway, if at all.

I got better mileage in my Fit than I have been getting in my TDI.

Mr_Shiftright · October 2016

Side from use in big SUVs and in trucks, I think diesels are pretty much a bust in small cars.

Sandman6472 · October 2016

Finally got to drive a 2017 Cruze with just over 4K on the clock yesterday. Must say, was quite impressed overall. Interior ain't too bad for a domestic, dash layout adequate and ergonomics right up there. On the expressway, drove as good as any vehicle at 70 to 75. But if I were to get one, it would have to be the hatch version as the regular four door looks like any other sedan, the hatch looks so much better.
Great job Chevy!!

The Sandman

Sandman6472 · October 2016

Had to pick up minivans and sedans for the presidents visit to Miami the last couple of days. They needed minivans for the dogs that go along and a mess of sedans for others in the party. Ended up getting them very low mileage Hyundai Sonata's and yesterday, drove them over to the coast guard base next to the airport that they are flying into. Talk about security, they checked us out a lot before they'd even let us on the base. They definitely take security very seriously for our president, as it should be!

The Sandman

henryn · October 2016

xwesx said:
Our main mower (for the lawn) has a Honda engine, but it is a Lowes special (Troybilt, maybe?). Just a push mower with high rear wheels, $260 out the door. It's a great little unit, and quiet! I've never liked the self-propelled units, which is about all you can get these days; they're such a pain to navigate on uneven terrain.

I have exactly the same mower, and I bought it for exactly those reasons. It took 3 trips back to Lowes to get the thing running right when it was brand new (carb problems), but since then it has been a great mower.

I have had to pull the front wheels, free them up, and apply dry lubricant a couple of times (bearings would have been nice, instead of just a plastic sleeve, but for the price ...).

And now, at 4 years, there is a hole rusted in the side of the deck. So do I ignore the hole, find someone to weld a plate over it, or just buy a new one? Decisions, decisions.

henryn · October 2016

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

I looked at that piece on TTAC. My take is, if you love your VW, the logical replacement is a gasser of the same model. Not like you can really get something comparable elsewhere with a diesel. So, if you are going back to gas, no need to change brands. Of course, some people probably refuse to buy another VW, so they don't count!

If you have a Golf, a new 2017 Wolfsburg has the 1.8t, and will push 40 on the highway. and you can get a stick! more equipment too, for a lot less than the tdi cost. And you fuel costs will barely go up anyway, if at all.

I got better mileage in my Fit than I have been getting in my TDI.

I am getting insane mileage on my '13 Passat TDI. Friday, I drove over 200 miles, mostly on freeways, maybe 10 or 15 miles on surface streets. Average speed on the freeways around 65 to 70 mph. I filled up and reset the trip computer the night before. At the end of the day, my MPG reading was a little over 47.

And in case you don't think I should believe the computer: I have gone through 4 tanks of diesel in the time I've had the car. Mostly stop and go, commuting to work in downtown Houston. My lowest number is 35 mpg, highest is 37, computing by hand.

corvette · October 2016

henryn said:
My lowest number is 35 mpg, highest is 37, computing by hand.

B-b-but, computing by hand doesn't work, according to VW's factory rep!

qbrozen · October 2016

35-37 is my usual. Straight highway shot netted 41.

28firefighter · October 2016

corvette said:

My lowest number is 35 mpg, highest is 37, computing by hand.
B-b-but, computing by hand doesn't work, according to VW's factory rep!

You guys are killing me.

stickguy · October 2016

Here's another one for QB. Nice color, and the low miles he desires. Price seems high to me, but I guess it probably is what they go for. No clue if this is the right trim level, but I can only report what I find!

http://www.lillistonchryslerdodgejeep.com/used/HUMMER/2007-HUMMER-H3+SUV-4fc815a80a0e0a17159b70a165deb8f8.htm

kyfdx · October 2016

I've only put on 1500 miles, so not a lot to go on.... but, have never been under 37 mpg on a fill up. Car indicated a little over 47 mpg for a 40 mile trip with my wife driving, though.

qbrozen · October 2016

Nope. Leather is a must in those Hummers. In any case, without a telescoping steering wheel, it just isn't going to work for me.

Sandman6472 · October 2016

Have been getting close to 40 on the highway with my TSI Golf, so am quite pleased and have enjoyed the ownership experience so far. Hit 23,350 yesterday, so if I'm going to get a warranty before I hit 25,001...need to get crackin'. Still mulling the idea over because it's gonna be a $100.00 hit each time I use it and for the first 11K miles, will still be under the VW factory warranty so a bit of duplication there. So have to decide if I think numerous issues or expensive ones will crop up between 36,001 up to 90,000. Since I've only heard hearsay about VW reliability, am leaning towards going forward with one but don't know many folks who've owned a VW product that long who've had issues.
So, is it better to just bank the $1500.00 and hope for the best or get the warranty? Help!!!

The Sandman

stickguy · October 2016

I would just bank it and self insure. That is a lot of money that won't even have a potential benefit for quite a while. Plus, you seem to be real sensitive to risk, so if you do have an issue that costs nearly as much as the contract, I would bet you would dump it anyway. Plus, you have one of the simpler cars that they make. No DSG, no AWD, etc.

but, as with any insurance, your money and risk tolerance. Just keep in mind, the insurance companies know they are making money, and most people that buy them never make theirs back.

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