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Anyone who wants a car as transportation should go with a Toyota or Honda. That is what I recommend, especially if you like the styling. If on the other hand you want a car that is a bit more unique and fun to drive, then get a VW and don't expect Toyota/Honda quality.
I have a 2000 Jetta that is flawless after 13,000 miles. I would definity buy another in 3 or 4 years. Best car I ever owned with fewer problems than my 280ZX, which was basically a great car also.
For a better overall picture of VWs, go to vwvortex.com. All problems are discussed and you will see that 90% of the people there rate their cars as very good or excellent.
I think VW overengineered on certain things like interior quality and stuff which makes the buyer at first like it alot since it closes with a solid thud! Dang good. Love the instrumentations too. Who wouldn't go oh ah over the blue lights. However VW underengineered things that drives the car. Parts that is essential to owning one. Parts where buyers won't see until they bought it and drive it home. =(
Seriously, you know that my previous post does have it's merit. And I'm not the only person who shares this opinion. In fact A former Corrado and Golf owner shared it to me first and I thought...hmm....that makes sense.
VW will never go out of business. Just look at GM. Most of their cars suck. From their cavaliers to the Pontiac cars, they fall apart. But their cars are cheap and very affordable for lower income ppl or young grads. Likewise, VW offers the cheapest/affordable European cars in the market. So ppl who fancy the European brand but unable to foot out the money for the expensive marques will jump on VW's offerings which I think is ain't bad. Both the VR6 and 1.8T engines are quite good. But alas, in order to fulfil a low cost European car that carries BMW like interiors, they have to cut corners. Simple economics.
You know it's true. I apologise if I stepped on your toes wsommariva.
Thanksgiving day hint: If yer goin' to Gramma's for Thanksgiving and you're assigned to "bring the rolls", just put them in the passeneger seat and turn it up to '5'. They will be nice and toasty when you arrive!! ))
Be safe and: Drive it like ya stole it!!!
Oh...I've just thought of a few short comings - rear passenger room is a bit tight and the trunk space has been reduced from a football field to a hockey rink.
To put it simple, the Jetta TDI is probably the second best car that VW has ever come out with. The Passat TDIs in Germany are the best!
I hope this has helped.
Mike
It took many calls to VW's un-helpful c/s department as well as several calls to the president's office (that seems to work) to get them to buy back this piece. Anyone having problems - call the president's office, call the BBB and call the Auto Safety Line for the Federal Hwy Commission. I had to do all of the above before VW would do ANYTHING.
They all make lemons. That's a fact. And it's nice to see that the lemon laws we have in place to protect the consumer do work. Granted, it does result in lost time and frustration on your part, but in the long run it pays off.
Sorry, no controversial, debilitating 'Honey, call-the-lawyer' defects to report. ;-)
Pete
1) All of the brakes needed replacing including the rotors.
2)Replace coil pack (and transformer) which was faulty since the car was new. It caused the car to "chug and stall" when starting in humid weather. This wasn't detected until after the 2 year warranty and of course is not covered under the 10 year drive train warranty.
3) Ignition switch replacement which caused a short causing the headlights, AC and windshield wipers to sporadically stop and the air bag light to remain on. This was especially bad when driving on a hot rainy night.
4)Wheel lock broke on hub - couldn't get the tire off to fix the brakes until the lock set was replaced.
5) Cooling system gasket leak - constant leaking of fluid - had to replace thermostat housing and pipes.
Here's what I've learned from experience: If you have a Jetta and are not under warranty and decide to keep it -
1) Find a non-dealer mechanic who specializes in VW's. An example - #3 above - after I was quoted $900+ for the job ("we'll have to take apart the whole steering assembly and that's 6 hours work and bla bla), I was so fed up I finally found someone after searching a little bit. I was charged $34.00 for the ignition switch, $144.00 for installing it and $131.00 for tracing the problem - far less than the dealers inflated estimate. In the Chicago area the place is Tandil Auto Repair on N. Oak Park Ave.
2) Get your brakes fixed at Midas. They will do it for far less than any dealer plus they are guaranteed for the life of the car. If anything goes wrong or they need replacing again, they will only charge labor - no questions asked.
One question I have now - the car is actually working OK except for the cruise control and heated seats. Could these possibly be blown fuses?
Thank you and safe motoring.
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
1.dead battery
2.a small leak in a vacuum hose (which my mechanic, an independent mechanic who specializes in water cooled VWs fixed free of charge)
3. an exhaust buzz under heavy acceleration due to a loose heat shield.
go to vwvortex.com if you want to see and hear from people who love their VWs. this forum is entitled "how often do jettas breakdown?" it's going to attract a lot of disgruntled owners, naturally. most VW owners love their cars and are fairly loyal to the brand.
Thanks!
I demand a re-count!
Read post #766.
The easiest way to find all of them is to key Jetta into the Topic Search feature on the left side of the page.
Good luck.
Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
http://forums.vwvortex.com/vwbb/Forum4/HTML/018217.html
i thought the purpose of buying a new car, is not having any worries about stuff going wrong, for at least 4 years. i currently have a civic, any recommendations, should be buy that extened warrenty??
On the other hand, Volkswagen's customer service record is not number one. That is a fact. Another thing I have noticed from reading this and several other forums is that a lot of the previous problems with the new Jetta (A4 or MKIV) platform have been resolved.
Try reading the vwvortex.com forum. You'll read both complaints and praises of all VW/Audi built cars there, so it gives a more balanced view than does this valuable, but more negative forum base.
I have not had one problem with my Jetta. We bought it in August and will be ready for its 5K checkup soon. Absolutely zero defects to date.
But, you must weigh your own decision. Just don't do it soley on this forum. Go for another test drive! ;-) As for the extended warranty? I got one, but then I keep my cars for 8-10 years too.
Good luck!!
A satisfied VW owner....
Please, Jetta owners only. This is a private, moderated list and is totally a for-fun, not-for-profit venture.
-Jim
I have one word for you... GARBAGE. In fact if you are seriously considering buying one I will send you my repair bills from the last month and that ought to change your mind. I live in Wisconsin, the car is phenomenal in temps down to around 10 degrees, but once the temps dropped below that we have had nothing but problems and VW could care less. It has put on more miles behind the tow truck lately than under its own power. VW has several technical service bulletins out regarding this problem, but they can't seem to pinpoint the cause. They just tell us that it is "BAD FUEL" (the easy answer). We have tried fuel from three different reputable locations (all certified, 60/40 blend, winterized) plus we have added the antigel which VW recommends. Still having problems. Car will start fine and usually runs well for the first 15-20 minutes then dies. I could go on and on, but if anyone is interested in hearing more email me at tscola@uniontel.net and I would be happy to fill you in! Anybody want to buy a TDI?
Tom
While I was at the VW dealers in Regina 4 more TDi's came in on flat bead trucks all with the same problem. The dealer effected repairs to the check valve and sent me on my way. 5 hours later and still 5 hours from home the problem reoccurred. I managed to keep the engine running this time and limped home at 50 mph in 4th gear with the check engine light on! I figured high fuel flows in cold weather were part of the problem so I kept the speed down. I told the service manager the problem might be the fuels...but what was VW going to do take on the petro companies? I think not! I'm now looking at installing a fuel line heater just prior to the fuel filter and the offending check valve. All VW can do is effect repairs to the check valve.
I bought the car new in April and have put 22,000 miles on it This is the only problem I have had. I love the car but I'm a little leary of highway travel in very cold weather. - 35 degrees C and below. I have forgotten to plug the car in {block heater} on a couple of occasions on very cold nights. I wait for the glow plug light to extinguish and the engine fires up in protest but runs smoothly after about 1 minute.
I have added a Hermann tuning box. This box unlike a chip can be un/installed in minutes. It raises the torque to 197 ft/pds and hp climbs from 90 to 115. Horse power sells but it's the torque that gives the thrill. I have more torque than the VR6 and the 1.8T. Because the diesel is geared so low I installed a Neuspeed short shift kit to handle the quick shifting needed to help keep engine revs in the proper power band under hard excelleration. I also run with a K&N air filter to take full advantage of the tuning box. I have purchased some alloy wheels 17in X8 in with fat Goodyears for summer running. I run my stock steel wheels with winter treads in winter. Even after modifications my mileage is exactly the same as before. 56/57 miles/gal. imperial. I can now pass with confidence without down shifting. This is just about the perfect engine if I can sort out the cold weather problem.
Seems to me, VW's two year comprehensive warranty is not adequate and may reflect relatively poor quality control in several areas. One the other hand, a 10 year powertrain warranty is quite generous and thinking logically probably reflects a good powertrain. If I buy the Jetta GLS TDI I have my eye on, I think I will have to buy the extended warranty for peace of mind.
Some specific areas are of more concern to me. Firstly the relatively poor dealership experience many posters have noted here. In my experience I dealt with very good Japanese dealers and very indifferent Chrysler and GM dealers. The dealer experience is very important to me and I'd hate to have new car problems coupled with a dealer who doesn't really care to fix them.
Secondly I live in Western Canada and cold weather is an obvious concern for a diesel car owner. I wish someone could say authoritatively if are there or are not systematic cold weather problems (say below -30 C) with the TDI engine? petethepilot's experience would seem to indicate there are. (BTW, petethepilot weren't you much closer to the VW dealer in Medicine Hat rather than the one in Regina?)
Anyone know if Canadian diesel fuel is generally any better than American diesel fuel quality? After all that's the excuse VW uses to explain why they don't make available in North America any of their other more powerful diesel engines they have in Europe.
I want a very reliable new car. I do not agree that you can expect any car to breakdown regularly. My wife's 1980 Toyota Tercel survived 17 years and 240K kms with ONE non-maintainance related repair required before we finally sold it (the wire connected to the rear window defroster broke off). My mother's 1990 Acura Integra has had precisely zero problems. Even my 97 Dodge Grand Caravan ES AWD has had only two minor problems albeit it has only 66K kms (alternator wire came off and the service engine soon sensor is faulty) though it's fuel mileage is pretty horrid which is really why I want the Jetta...
Also, sometimes up a hill, the tranny will *clunk* into 3rd from 2nd. Anyone else have this, and is this a "new car break-in" problem, or something I need to complain about? The fiancee hasn't noticed it in her driving... but then again I dig the turbo a bit more. Experiences?