Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

nyccarguy · June 2017

stickguy said:

I really liked the X1 I drove. Perfect size for me. I found the X5 to be way too big and Bargey.

They seem to depreciate well into the mid $20s which would make them an excelllent CPO buy.

stickguy · June 2017

Well, I liked the new (I think out for 2017 MY) a lot more. But I could be talked into a 2016 also I guess. With the 2.0t motor.

kyfdx · June 2017

I think the new model started in 2016

stickguy · June 2017

I checked and you are correct. So by the end of he year with 2018s out, used prices should be stepping down

Mr_Shiftright · June 2017

The Tesla Model X Alternative from Jaguar

Mr_Shiftright · June 2017

$50K depreciation in 6 years at a cost of roughly $50 a mile.

There's a story in there somewhere.

stickguy · June 2017

Still pricey. Can drop another 30k in a few years no problem.

fintail · June 2017

Easy story - old style, pre-facelift, old engine, old ICE, not a full option car. Too old to be new, and way too new to be old in a cool way. This is a case where the original owner messed up by not driving it, as the low miles aren't a huge plus. I wonder why it was used so sparingly.

Mr_Shiftright said:
$50K depreciation in 6 years at a cost of roughly $50 a mile.

There's a story in there somewhere.

Mr_Shiftright · June 2017

Hyundai's new compact SUV:

graphicguy · June 2017

Mr_Shiftright said:
Hyundai's new compact SUV:

Ugly must be a pre-requisite for the Nissan Juke, Toyota CHR and this thing. What are these companies thinking?

fintail · June 2017

Lots of styling, busy details, leering menacing lights make suburban clones feel active and exciting. Lift it a few inches and they become rough and tumble nature enthusiasts on top of it.

qbrozen · June 2017

Maybe good news for the CX-3.

stickguy · June 2017

I kinda like it. Other than the black cladding. Maybe it looks better with a dark paint color.

stickguy · June 2017

Though I am sure I am not their target demographic.

ab348 · June 2017

I was in traffic today surrounded by a pair of new Civics, both painted black. I think about half of the ones I see locally are black. Dealers may feel that it helps hide many of the black plastic faux-scoops and vents these are festooned with, and in truth it does make it look a bit better. One thing I noticed at a stoplight that I hadn't picked up before: even the mirror housings are overstyled, with little fins or strake lines molded into them. It is like the modern-day version of a Virgil Exner design of the 1950s.

andres3 · June 2017

nyccarguy said:
Someone I do business with recently purchased a CPO 2015 X5 ///M-Sport . Carbon Black/Black Interior. 39,000 miles. Great shape. His wife noticed after after they were in the car for 1/2 hour or so with the windows up & the AC cranking that it smelled like stale cigarettes. Turns out the person who had leased the car previously had been a smoker. He brought it to the dealer's attention & they are steam cleaning the interior as well as replacing the cabin filter which was BLACK.

They gave him an X1 as a loaner to drive. I checked it out while he was here. White with Brown Interior and those 18" Soccer Ball wheels. Sharp looking little SUV.

Guess CPO doesn't really mean much in terms of dealer pre-conditioning. You would think the 259 point inspection would include the cabin filter.

Mr_Shiftright · June 2017

Sometimes I think these CPO cars are put on stilts and made to run through a bathtub full of 259 inspection points at breakneck speed.

stickguy · June 2017

I think they gloss over the newer ones, if it has normal recent service history, and just assume a lot of things are fine based on the maintenance schedule.

tbirdmarco · June 2017

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpGwiF792E0

roadburner · June 2017

stickguy said:
I think they gloss over the newer ones, if it has normal recent service history, and just assume a lot of things are fine based on the maintenance schedule.

Most of ours come out of the loaner fleet or short term leases. As far as smoking goes, the owner of my M6 was a smoker; I put dryer sheets under the seats a couple of times and cleaned the interior thoroughly and it was fine.

sda · June 2017

ab348 said:
I was in traffic today surrounded by a pair of new Civics, both painted black. I think about half of the ones I see locally are black. Dealers may feel that it helps hide many of the black plastic faux-scoops and vents these are festooned with, and in truth it does make it look a bit better. One thing I noticed at a stoplight that I hadn't picked up before: even the mirror housings are overstyled, with little fins or strake lines molded into them. It is like the modern-day version of a Virgil Exner design of the 1950s.

ab348, I haven't had a chance to read all the recent postings, did you do the deal with the new ATS? I have to agree that the styling on the new Civic is too busy, otherwise a very nice car. An EX-L seems decently priced and well equipped. I just hope Honda doesn't apply too many of the styling cues on the new Accord.

ab348 · June 2017

sda said:

ab348, I haven't had a chance to read all the recent postings, did you do the deal with the new ATS?

No, not yet. It is strange. The dealer had me call GM Financial to advise that I wanted to end the lease early thanks to their buying it out and to schedule a lease-end inspection. I can sort of understand my having to do that instead of them, so I did that last week. In the mail Monday I got the GM Financial lease end paperwork, but still no contact from the inspection company after a week. I was talking to my sales guy on Monday, he was going to get their manager to contact someone at AutoVIN to expedite that process, but as of right now still nothing.

qbrozen · June 2017

ab348 said:

No, not yet. It is strange. The dealer had me call GM Financial to advise that I wanted to end the lease early thanks to their buying it out and to schedule a lease-end inspection. I can sort of understand my having to do that instead of them, so I did that last week. In the mail Monday I got the GM Financial lease end paperwork, but still no contact from the inspection company after a week. I was talking to my sales guy on Monday, he was going to get their manager to contact someone at AutoVIN to expedite that process, but as of right now still nothing.

That doesn't make sense. If the dealer is buying it out, no lease end inspection happens because it isn't going back to GM financial.

kyfdx · June 2017

qbrozen said:

ab348 said:

No, not yet. It is strange. The dealer had me call GM Financial to advise that I wanted to end the lease early thanks to their buying it out and to schedule a lease-end inspection. I can sort of understand my having to do that instead of them, so I did that last week. In the mail Monday I got the GM Financial lease end paperwork, but still no contact from the inspection company after a week. I was talking to my sales guy on Monday, he was going to get their manager to contact someone at AutoVIN to expedite that process, but as of right now still nothing.
That doesn't make sense. If the dealer is buying it out, no lease end inspection happens because it isn't going back to GM financial.

Yeah.. maybe they aren't buying it out..

ab348 · June 2017

I have no idea what the inner workings of the deal are. Maybe there are some incentives from GM to pull ahead the lease end date. If I don't hear anything today I'm going to start pushing. It's not like I'm desperate to do this.

pensfan83 · June 2017

Received this email from the sales manager at the Ford dealer I am visiting Friday. After doing some research on the car I've cooled on it a bit so we'll see if a test drive brings me around or eliminates it from consideration.

Steve,

Bryan let me know you will be here Friday morning to look at one of our Fusion Sports. We are very proud of the Fusion Sport and think you will be very pleased with what you see and drive. Bryan explained to me you are just starting the process of looking for your next vehicle and that you would not be prepared to commit to a purchase. Assuming the vehicle meets and exceeds your expectations, and I believe it will, I want to take this opportunity to let you know I will do whatever I can to get you into the Fusion Sport. I am aware your current lease does not end for another 3 months however I think we can make a very competitive offer for your Audi. We are very appreciative of the business your parents, and most recently your brother from what Bryan tells me, have provided to us over the years and I am pleased you are giving us the chance to earn your business as well.

Please make sure you ask for me on Friday morning when you arrive as I have a genuine interest in seeing you leave in a Ford vehicle and I'm confident in our ability to convince you that is the right decision. In the interim please do not hesitate to contact me at the number below if you have ANY questions, concerns, or need additional information on leasing.

Michaell · June 2017

pensfan83 said:
Received this email from the sales manager at the Ford dealer I am visiting Friday. After doing some research on the car I've cooled on it a bit so we'll see if a test drive brings me around or eliminates it from consideration.

Steve,

Bryan let me know you will be here Friday morning to look at one of our Fusion Sports. We are very proud of the Fusion Sport and think you will be very pleased with what you see and drive. Bryan explained to me you are just starting the process of looking for your next vehicle and that you would not be prepared to commit to a purchase. Assuming the vehicle meets and exceeds your expectations, and I believe it will, I want to take this opportunity to let you know I will do whatever I can to get you into the Fusion Sport. I am aware your current lease does not end for another 3 months however I think we can make a very competitive offer for your Audi. We are very appreciative of the business your parents, and most recently your brother from what Bryan tells me, have provided to us over the years and I am pleased you are giving us the chance to earn your business as well.

Please make sure you ask for me on Friday morning when you arrive as I have a genuine interest in seeing you leave in a Ford vehicle and I'm confident in our ability to convince you that is the right decision. In the interim please do not hesitate to contact me at the number below if you have ANY questions, concerns, or need additional information on leasing.

Interesting .. I'm guessing the Ford dealer doesn't get a lot of current Audi owners (or leasers) interested in their product.

The tone of the email is slightly pushy, but not offensive (to me).

Best of luck with the test drive on Friday; curious to hear your thoughts.

qbrozen · June 2017

Wow. Only 3500 miles a year. Fin, anything really wrong with these 280s?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=458520563

stickguy · June 2017

I like that one. Lots. Would be nice for me probably, if I was buying now.

pensfan83 · June 2017

Quite frankly I was surprised by the sales manager's interest in the matter altogether and thought it was a little pushy too but I think it also has undertones of desperation, especially given the state of Fusion sales and the sedan market in general...aside from the likes of Honda or Toyota. My parents are very loyal to the Ford brand and to this dealer in particular so maybe that's the reason. They didn't get a shot in 2011 when I bought my last and only Ford (also a Fusion Sport) because they didn't have any in stock.

I doubt they get many Audi (or BMW, Mercedes, Acura, etc) owners cross-shopping too but on paper the Ford looks like a budget Audi that comes in around $10,000 less than a comparably equipped A4. There's probably a reason for that and I'm looking to flesh it out on Friday.

qbrozen · June 2017

I know I told myself I wouldn't buy another turbo 3 liter bimmer, but the cheapness has me intrigued:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=443569310

nyccarguy · June 2017

qbrozen said:
I know I told myself I wouldn't buy another turbo 3 liter bimmer, but the cheapness has me intrigued:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=443569310

What could possibly go wrong with a 9 year old German car?

stickguy · June 2017

I like the BMW. But trust the MB more

graphicguy · June 2017

stickguy said:
I like the BMW. But trust the MB more

I like both. Go with the least expensive.

fintail · June 2017

Nothing wrong per se, but it is a final run W203 - a car not known to be the zenith of MB quality. I am not aware of any glaring Achilles heel. Spec looks fairly basic. Condition looks good anyway.

qbrozen said:
Wow. Only 3500 miles a year. Fin, anything really wrong with these 280s?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=458520563

Michaell · June 2017

pensfan83 said:
Quite frankly I was surprised by the sales manager's interest in the matter altogether and thought it was a little pushy too but I think it also has undertones of desperation, especially given the state of Fusion sales and the sedan market in general...aside from the likes of Honda or Toyota. My parents are very loyal to the Ford brand and to this dealer in particular so maybe that's the reason. They didn't get a shot in 2011 when I bought my last and only Ford (also a Fusion Sport) because they didn't have any in stock.

I doubt they get many Audi (or BMW, Mercedes, Acura, etc) owners cross-shopping too but on paper the Ford looks like a budget Audi that comes in around $10,000 less than a comparably equipped A4. There's probably a reason for that and I'm looking to flesh it out on Friday.

Looking forward to your feedback.

@jpp5862 and I are making tentative plans to test drive some stuff on Saturday. Might hit up the Mazda dealer -me to drive a 6 with a stick shift and @jpp5862 to look at the CX-5.

breld · June 2017

Here's an interesting listing.

5 series wagon M-sport manual

breld · June 2017

Michaell said:

pensfan83 said:
Quite frankly I was surprised by the sales manager's interest in the matter altogether and thought it was a little pushy too but I think it also has undertones of desperation, especially given the state of Fusion sales and the sedan market in general...aside from the likes of Honda or Toyota. My parents are very loyal to the Ford brand and to this dealer in particular so maybe that's the reason. They didn't get a shot in 2011 when I bought my last and only Ford (also a Fusion Sport) because they didn't have any in stock.

I doubt they get many Audi (or BMW, Mercedes, Acura, etc) owners cross-shopping too but on paper the Ford looks like a budget Audi that comes in around $10,000 less than a comparably equipped A4. There's probably a reason for that and I'm looking to flesh it out on Friday.
Looking forward to your feedback.

@jpp5862 and I are making tentative plans to test drive some stuff on Saturday. Might hit up the Mazda dealer -me to drive a 6 with a stick shift and @jpp5862 to look at the CX-5.

You'll have to let me know how it goes - I'll likely be tied up with boys' baseball games but otherwise would join in.

I'm starting to see a couple of the new CX-5's on the road - really sharp.

kyfdx · June 2017

breld said:
Here's an interesting listing.

5 series wagon M-sport manual

Okay.. you win. That is interesting.

Really low mileage units on all these vehicles.

tbirdmarco · June 2017

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4OA6mX4Ee74

stickguy · June 2017

like the concept. Hate the colors. And the wheels. Having been used to tow also concerns me.

corvette · June 2017

One of my neighbors appears to have traded their Lexus hybrid (one of the ones that is a Prius clone) for a Mustang GT with a manual. Quite a departure!

tbirdmarco · June 2017

@pensfan83 good luck on Friday! cant wate to hear all about it and what the outcum will be! haven't had the chance to sit in one of those the regular one sat in back in October think it was nice car!

tbirdmarco · June 2017

@corvette wow nice for your neighbor! how is your car deal cumming along!

corvette · June 2017

Marcothecarguy1986 said:

@corvette wow nice for your neighbor! how is your car deal cumming along!

Thanks for asking. I think I'm picking it up on the 24th.

stickguy · June 2017

I can't remember. Did you ever say what you are getting? Or is it still a mystery?

corvette · June 2017

stickguy said:

I can't remember. Did you ever say what you are getting? Or is it still a mystery?

I'm a mysterious kind of guy.

tbirdmarco · June 2017

@corvette nice nice you are welcome any time. cante wate to hear all about it!

andres3 · June 2017

corvette said:
One of my neighbors appears to have traded their Lexus hybrid (one of the ones that is a Prius clone) for a Mustang GT with a manual. Quite a departure!

They probably thought due to the looks it was going to be fast (The Lexus Prius copy), and perhaps also because the speedo probably goes up to 160 MPH (can't believe people fall for that).

stickguy · June 2017

well, I don't think I can see myself driving this, but if you want a drop top, this one based on year and miles seems to actually be a pretty good deal. Cheap enough.

https://www.subaruofcherryhill.com/used/Volkswagen/2009-Volkswagen-New+Beetle+Convertible-Cherry+Hill+NJ-723640930a0e0ae8284806090e740060.htm?searchDepth=36:36

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