Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

jpp75

qbrozen said:

Another car that is not actually for sale:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=449294451

Move the decimal a place or two left and maybe.

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

I like the looks of these. But you would have to be way braver than me to "call for price"

https://www.subaruofcherryhill.com/used/Saab/2005-Saab-9-5-Cherry+Hill+NJ-86d0bae50a0e0ae7513b8f85ac6c05af.htm?searchDepth=9:36

164,000 miles on a Saab? What could possibly go wrong?

Price is $3,150 asking. With cars like this, what you do is take a test drive.....alone...and drive the living crap out of it for 20 minutes....if it doesn't break down, leak, emit steam, make horrifying noises or light up the dash board, it's probably OK.

stickguy

when I posted they had not priced it. I would go $1,500 if it drove perfect. and had a stick shift.

kyfdx

DETROIT (AP) — Honda says its Accord midsize car will be offered only with four-cylinder or gas-electric hybrid engines when an all-new version comes out later this year.

The company says the smaller engines are sufficient for what its customers want. Only 14 percent of buyers in 2016 bought V-6 Accords.

Honda released some details of the new Accord on Friday. The car will come with a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a more powerful 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder. A hybrid powertrain is optional. The smaller engine will get a continuously variable transmission, while the larger one will get a new 10-speed automatic transmission. Manual transmissions also are available.

Honda says the new design has a more aggressive stance than previous Accords.

Price and gas mileage and other details will be announced later.

ab348

That Saab 9-5 is a really nice car. Way overpriced though. Maybe the unicorn factor is at play here.

andres3

kyfdx said:

DETROIT (AP) — Honda says its Accord midsize car will be offered only with four-cylinder or gas-electric hybrid engines when an all-new version comes out later this year.

The company says the smaller engines are sufficient for what its customers want. Only 14 percent of buyers in 2016 bought V-6 Accords.

Honda released some details of the new Accord on Friday. The car will come with a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a more powerful 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder. A hybrid powertrain is optional. The smaller engine will get a continuously variable transmission, while the larger one will get a new 10-speed automatic transmission. Manual transmissions also are available.

Honda says the new design has a more aggressive stance than previous Accords.

Price and gas mileage and other details will be announced later.

14% is still a big chunk. That's why they are offering a 2.0L Turbo and not just the 1.5.

When you get used to a certain amount of power, you notice it when you drive slower cars. I don't mind winding a smaller engine out, so I can get by as long as the max HP output is sufficient.

The 3.6 in the Subaru is definitely more quiet than the 2.5 at equal acceleration inputs.

stickguy

well, a turbo accord, with a stick, if it has a decent equipment level (as in, not a strippo) could be interesting! And a 2.0T motor in the accord, should be pretty quick (probably will run with the current V6 model).

andres3

roadburner said:

People like big SUVs and Minivans because they don't want to think about packing for a trip or similar- just throw in anything you might remotely need.

Admittedly I did have to use some brain power and planning as to how I was going to fit that treadmill in the Wagon. Also, I had to take out a few screws (off and on - maybe 5 extra minutes spent). So the trade-off for 10 minutes of brain power and labor is less MPG and probably much higher initial cost on a larger SUV.

Can't blame those that get the bigger car though, but how often do most really use all that extra space?

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

stickguy said:

I like the looks of these. But you would have to be way braver than me to "call for price"

https://www.subaruofcherryhill.com/used/Saab/2005-Saab-9-5-Cherry+Hill+NJ-86d0bae50a0e0ae7513b8f85ac6c05af.htm?searchDepth=9:36

164,000 miles on a Saab? What could possibly go wrong?

Price is $3,150 asking. With cars like this, what you do is take a test drive.....alone...and drive the living crap out of it for 20 minutes....if it doesn't break down, leak, emit steam, make horrifying noises or light up the dash board, it's probably OK.

Shouldn't you do that with any old car? Or is that what you meant by "cars like this?" I remember an old CRX test drive (owner went with me), and he made comments like "you sure have a heavy foot." I smelled burning oil, that was enough to turn me off.

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

DETROIT (AP) — Honda says its Accord midsize car will be offered only with four-cylinder or gas-electric hybrid engines when an all-new version comes out later this year.

The company says the smaller engines are sufficient for what its customers want. Only 14 percent of buyers in 2016 bought V-6 Accords.

Honda released some details of the new Accord on Friday. The car will come with a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a more powerful 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder. A hybrid powertrain is optional. The smaller engine will get a continuously variable transmission, while the larger one will get a new 10-speed automatic transmission. Manual transmissions also are available.

Honda says the new design has a more aggressive stance than previous Accords.

Price and gas mileage and other details will be announced later.

Interesting. Seems to be the trend, though. Less displacement and slap a tubo on it. That said, I like the current crop of 4 cyl turbos out now. BMW's, Audi's, Cadillac's, Mercedes' are the ones I've driven. All of them were peppy. Problem there, Honda's 6 is smooth as silk. If you're looking for that in a 4 cyl, you'll be disappointed.

tjc78

I think it's a power play to make you step up to Acura.  The loaded V6 Accord/Camry etc are too close to the luxury versions of the same brand.  

It probably also streamlines production and lowers CAFE so all in all a big win for the manufacturers.  

stickguy

Makes it a leaner car if you don't need room for the V motor. Mazda did this with the latest model 6

ab348

stickguy said:

Makes it a leaner car if you don't need room for the V motor. Mazda did this with the latest model 6

Except Mazda forgot the turbo.

andres3

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Makes it a leaner car if you don't need room for the V motor. Mazda did this with the latest model 6

Except Mazda forgot the turbo.

Sort of like Pontiac the last 10 years of their existence!

I suppose the G8 did have a V8, but I see those once every blue moon.

stickguy

Mazda has the turbo now if they want. I assume at some point they will cave in and offer it.

stickguy

anyway, proving once again that we are a bit out of the norm, the market speaks and says in mid size family sedans, the 4 cyl (and now, the small displacement turbo) is fine for them. the take rate for the V6 stays in the 10% range it seems. And the Turbo motor in the Sonata and Optima is probably just as low. Same reason we don't get sticks offered! Though at least the V6 is available.

one difference I just realized that hurts too. The V6 is usually only on higher trim levels. The stick on just a sport model or strippo one.

tjc78

Camry used to offer the LE trim in V6 but they were really rare.   Most V6s were XLE. I have no idea what the trims are now.  

andres3

tjc78 said:

Camry used to offer the LE trim in V6 but they were really rare.   Most V6s were XLE. I have no idea what the trims are now.  

Back in 2002 when I got my '03 Accord Coupe V6, I got the rarest version imaginable!

Imagine this:

240 HP V6, but hub cap plastic wheel covers over steel wheels. No moon-roof. No leather.

This was a "rare bird" as one dealer put it. The Accord LX V6 Coupe. It was a bargain compared to the EX V6 though! Had everything else, and the wheels are easily fixable. So if you don't like leather all that much, and you don't care for moon-roofs, it saved you a lot of money back then.

tjc78

The Solara at the time could be had in a similar configuration (even with a stick).  They probably sold about 7 that way.

When I got my 2000 every V6 for miles was a full boat loaded SLE so that is what I got. I loved that car.   

mjfloyd1

Well I spoke too soon on Mershon's being stand up guys for agreeing to fix the issues with the 1963 split window coupe. They haven't ever come to pick it up. When I email, they say "next week". After 3 weeks I ask again and am told that they took a slim deal on the car and they won't "drop everything " to come pick it up. Then they say they have sold a car near me and they will get it in a few days but that was almost 2 weeks ago...

stickguy

just found out I am going to get a chance to tour this private collection in a few weeks. Supposed to be phenomenal in person.

http://carzhunt.blogspot.com/2014/05/in-my-own-backyard-saratoga_26.html

andres3

tjc78 said:

The Solara at the time could be had in a similar configuration (even with a stick).  They probably sold about 7 that way.

When I got my 2000 every V6 for miles was a full boat loaded SLE so that is what I got. I loved that car.   

Ahhh, the Accord had a stick option, but in the sedan you had to get a stripper, and with the coupe, it had to be a fully loaded EX if I recall correctly.

sda

jpp5862 said:

qbrozen said:

165k? No thanks!

I actually always liked the looks of the final gen sedan.

I did as well. It was a great last gasp from Saab. If I had unlimited funds, time and mechanical and electrical knowledge I'd consider one.

There is a sharp black one of those that I see often in our area, still looks good and contemporary. When Saab shut down I remember reading there was a huge lot with new unsold inventory Saabs just wasting away. I wonder what ever happened to them.

stickguy

a neighbor had a very late SAAB like that. I assume it was leased. A year or so ago got replaced by a nice Dodge Ram Big Horn PU

tjc78

Never too early to test drive right?  On the 20th the Elantra goes in for its first service so while I'm there waiting, I'm going to take take a Santa Fe out.  I'm hoping they have a fully loaded one to check out.  

I figure I find I can squeeze in a test drive a month I'll know what's replacing the Enclave by the time it goes back in Dec.  

breld

Out of town in Albuquerque for my son's baseball tournament, but had a chance this morning to catch up a bit on posts.

• I like that last model Saab 9-5 too - very sharp. I suppose if it were cheap enough, it may be worth the risk to experience one.
  
• I have quite a few voicemails from the newbie salesperson who showed me the Del Sol - "We have a few people inquiring about it, so if you're interested you may want to come in this weekend." Uh, yeah - I don't doubt that there are others interested in the car for the low miles. But anyone legitimately interested in the car knows a bit about the car and understands it is way way overpriced. A CRX with those low miles? They could probably get $7-8k from someone who just has to have it. Not a Del Sol. And if someone did? Go for it.
  
• If that new Accord is available in a stick with the 2.0l turbo, I may find myself back in a Honda. That could potentially be the "mature" version of a Civic Si that I'd like.
  
• Finally, my trip computer on the Durango showed around 22 mpg for the trip down - I'm thrilled with that, and happy I didn't let gas mileage get in the way of the upgrade from the V-6.
  

Okay - I'm off to more baseball in the desert.

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

That Saab 9-5 is a really nice car. Way overpriced though. Maybe the unicorn factor is at play here.

Well to be fair, $1500 only buys you pieces of junk these days. Any basic decent car that you wouldn't be ashamed to drive, and that will actually get you somewhere, is going to probably cost you more than that, Saab or not.

houdini1

kyfdx said:

DETROIT (AP) — Honda says its Accord midsize car will be offered only with four-cylinder or gas-electric hybrid engines when an all-new version comes out later this year.

The company says the smaller engines are sufficient for what its customers want. Only 14 percent of buyers in 2016 bought V-6 Accords.

Honda released some details of the new Accord on Friday. The car will come with a 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a more powerful 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder. A hybrid powertrain is optional. The smaller engine will get a continuously variable transmission, while the larger one will get a new 10-speed automatic transmission. Manual transmissions also are available.

Honda says the new design has a more aggressive stance than previous Accords.

Price and gas mileage and other details will be announced later.

Maybe rename it as a Civic Plus.

tbirdmarco

@mjfloyd1 sorry to hear they are giving you an hard time.

tbirdmarco

@stickguy nice cant wate to hear all about that car collection! when you go to see it! any mor test drives planed for this weekand or for the upcoming week!

tbirdmarco

@breld glad you and your son are having an good time!

tbirdmarco

@tjc78 no never to early! sounds good to me! the one time was with an frend who tested the sport one few years back fully loded one was nice. did not end up getting that one they haved the Kia Serento think pryer jen now for an few years and love it.

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

ab348 said:

That Saab 9-5 is a really nice car. Way overpriced though. Maybe the unicorn factor is at play here.

Well to be fair, $1500 only buys you pieces of junk these days. Any basic decent car that you wouldn't be ashamed to drive, and that will actually get you somewhere, is going to probably cost you more than that, Saab or not.

No, I was referring to the 2011 linked - for sale at $21995.

fintail

My uncle got $1600 for a ~98 LeSabre with 160K miles on it with non-working AC and a big dent in the fender. The engine had the dexcool/intake issue repaired at some expense at about 70K, and it had been maintained well and drove fine, but still an old car with some issues. The buyer was very happy with it, too.

Mr_Shiftright said:

ab348 said:

That Saab 9-5 is a really nice car. Way overpriced though. Maybe the unicorn factor is at play here.

Well to be fair, $1500 only buys you pieces of junk these days. Any basic decent car that you wouldn't be ashamed to drive, and that will actually get you somewhere, is going to probably cost you more than that, Saab or not.

Mr_Shiftright

Well, would you drive it? Doesn't seem like you would.....

fintail

If I didn't care about cars, I would drive it. It will probably be reliable transportation for at least a couple years, and that's all a lot of people care about. My uncle is like that. My grandma gave him her old Taurus, he took it as it was newer and had very low miles. It's a transportation pod, he's fine with it.

On the CCB idea, my friend who is thinking about MKZ lease end. He drove a CT6 hybrid today. MSRP 76K, get this - it had a "green car" ADM for an additional 10K. I laughed out loud when he mentioned it. He liked the car though - the reverse camera in mirror wows him, and he was impressed by the silence and smooth ride. Still a bit dear, I wonder what real world leasing will be towards the end of the year.

Michaell

fintail said:

If I didn't care about cars, I would drive it. It will probably be reliable transportation for at least a couple years, and that's all a lot of people care about. My uncle is like that. My grandma gave him her old Taurus, he took it as it was newer and had very low miles. It's a transportation pod, he's fine with it.

On the CCB idea, my friend who is thinking about MKZ lease end. He drove a CT6 hybrid today. MSRP 76K, get this - it had a "green car" ADM for an additional 10K. I laughed out loud when he mentioned it. He liked the car though - the reverse camera in mirror wows him, and he was impressed by the silence and smooth ride. Still a bit dear, I wonder what real world leasing will be towards the end of the year.

Don't hybrids in WA get exempt from sales tax?

stickguy

this is nice. Like the colors. I could probably live with it.

http://www.eimports4less.com/detail-2014-bmw-3_series-certified_328i_xdrive_luxury_line_awd_camera__nav-used-15724832.html

My son texted today that his roommate was at the BMW dealer, working on trading his 2014 GTI for a 328i. Ended up buying a 2014 CPO 3 series, and selling his GTI to carmax.

now he needs to find someone to buy the older MB S class that he got back in the winter. 20 years old or so? I forget which engine, but I think the V8 version of the big mama benz that Fintail had.

fintail

I think there's something like that for the first 30K or so of MSRP, not a total break. I also think it might just be for EVs, and plug in hybrids/ I am not certain though, as very few of them appeal to me in the slightest way. I'd rather it be a MSRP-based restriction, but the social engineers still think it will trickle down or something. Probably put just enough strain on the power grid to hike our relatively low electricity rates.

Michaell said:

Don't hybrids in WA get exempt from sales tax?

Michaell

A little help, please - newly married couple looking for some advice:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/45717/toyota/x/buying-new-or-used#latest

stickguy

Well, it's too late. They are already married.

Oh wait. Not that kind of advice?

Will pop right over!

js06gv

stickguy said:

I saw a nice new style CTS yesterday. Medium blue. With full fabric roof, and gold line tires. Was interesting.

Good to know the New Jersey Package is still alive and well, ruining tasteful cars along the east coast.

stickguy

was pointing out some more vehicles to the wife that interest me, and will be on the list of ones to test drive. Though I still have not finalized a plan yet (could be anywhere from fancy new car, to cheap lease on a basic one, to a few YO model at a nicely depreciated price, to a cheap thing to barely use, or maybe no car at all. IOW all over the place).

But on the list now are also a 2 door Wrangler (stick) and a Ram PU. Just don't ask me why. Along with all the other stuff already on it (too numerous to mention).

Though if I needed a car today, that 2013 Mini S 6 speed is still calling my name!

pensfan83

After needing to make multiple Lowe's runs for plants, potting soil, pots, and other misc. items either Ms. Pensfan or myself are going to be driving an SUV in 3 months.  The convenience factor of folding seats down and having all that space is appealing.

@stickguy funny you added a Ram to the list because I parked near a GMC Canyon Crew Cab and thought of adding that to the list but I think my happiness with a truck would be short lived.

tjc78

pensfan83 said:

After needing to make multiple Lowe's runs for plants, potting soil, pots, and other misc. items either Ms. Pensfan or myself are going to be driving an SUV in 3 months.  The convenience factor of folding seats down and having all that space is appealing.

@stickguy funny you added a Ram to the list because I parked near a GMC Canyon Crew Cab and thought of adding that to the list but I think my happiness with a truck would be short lived.

I was really pushing the wife to allow us to get a sedan when the Enclave goes back but unfortunately the roominess is needed.  I came to this realization last weekend (I pretty much knew anyway) when one night we had both car seats and an extra passenger and then the next day I took a loveseat and chair to my SILs house.  Oh well... 

And good for you doing landscaping.  We didn't do our raised planting beds or flowers all over we usually do because most likely sometime in August there will be backhoes and bobcats tearing up the yard pouring footing for an addition.  Fun fun 

pensfan83

tjc78 said:

pensfan83 said:

After needing to make multiple Lowe's runs for plants, potting soil, pots, and other misc. items either Ms. Pensfan or myself are going to be driving an SUV in 3 months.  The convenience factor of folding seats down and having all that space is appealing.

@stickguy funny you added a Ram to the list because I parked near a GMC Canyon Crew Cab and thought of adding that to the list but I think my happiness with a truck would be short lived.

I was really pushing the wife to allow us to get a sedan when the Enclave goes back but unfortunately the roominess is needed.  I came to this realization last weekend (I pretty much knew anyway) when one night we had both car seats and an extra passenger and then the next day I took a loveseat and chair to my SILs house.  Oh well... 

And good for you doing landscaping.  We didn't do our raised planting beds or flowers all over we usually do because most likely sometime in August there will be backhoes and bobcats tearing up the yard pouring footing for an addition.  Fun fun 
There's a part of me that doesn't want to give up driving a sedan but needs like today's Lowe's runs, my son's baseball games, and sometimes needing to drive several 6 year olds and their equipment to those games becoming the new normal I know the extra room will be very welcome. There's still Ms. Pensfan's Altima if I really get the itch to drive a car though.

And as for landscaping I actually find it very cathartic, even though today was pushing it with 87 degree temps outside. Got all of the herbs planted, some areas reseeded with grass, and plants planted. Productive day for sure.

tbirdmarco

whent to the locial chevy dealer with my cuzan today he was visiting me and helping me ut with working on my thunderbird. dealer was closed had an nice sirtifyed pree owned inpala 2015 with almost 20000 miles on it leather lt trim think was sum silver color looks gold tho liked it. also had an used SS to 2015 bit under 20k miles on that one to as whell. and whent around the lot got to sit in an new equnicks tirbo had the pano roof nave no leather tho was not an top of the line trim but the one in the mittle also had power lift gate also got to sit in an few crozes and an tracks. like the equnicks a lot big improvement from the pryer jen and looks an bit bettor to as whell. now to convince my mom she said an chevy don't want it said look at it in the end of the summer. don't get an nother of your car same color boring to have the same car twice like I said in an pryer posting said before that is it hope that everyone had an good weekand to as whell nice and hot hear loving it. have an good upcumming week all!

tbirdmarco

o and like the bolt saw one they had in white and one in an nice blew color. also the Camaro in the same blew color was nice to as whell! bunch on nice big trucks and also sat in an nice surberban big big was nice just to sit in it!

stickguy

we will always have at least one utility vehicle I think. SUV now, Minivan when we had little kids. Maybe a wagon next time. Just way too useful.

Today I got a call that our patio door was fixed (at local hardware store). Had my car at the time. Had to go back to get the Acura, since I discovered last week when I took it in, that the door was too wide to fit through the opening into my back seat. Fit fine in the RDX (though it did sit on top of the front headrests!).

I just like having the big box space available when needed. But we really don't need 2 of them, but I would not mind a hatch or small wagon if I don't get another sedan. 99% of our driving is fine with the sedan, which is why having a PU of some sort as the 2nd car is intriguing. But I am pretty sure I would quickly tire of a FS one like a ram. A Canyon or Ridgeline could work. They are big but not too giant.

nyccarguy

Made good use of the Q40 today.  Took my sons "out to the ball game" this afternoon.  Street parking near The Stadium is at a premium for weekend games.  After my first pass at trying to find the ideal spot, I circled around to start widening the search radius.  Sitting at a light in the left lane of a 3 lane road, I spot someone closing their driver's door on the right side about a block ahead.  Light turns green, I jump on it, & rocket over 3 lanes to get there before the person even has a chance to step on the brakes and start their car up.  

After the game, I was headed to dinner in Pearl River (@stickguy The Saloon).  Over the GW Bridge, then go some gas on Route 46.  Pulling out of those gas stations is always an adventure.  No problem for my Infiniti's 328hp V6.  Find some daylight, mash the gas, and see ya later!