Midsize Sedans 2.0

Michaell · November 2017

stickguy said:

wait, Jack in the Box still exists? I thought they were out of business.

Nope; still pretty common out west.

Michaell · November 2017

akirby said:

Steak N Shake has steak burgers (thus the name).

They exist here in Colorado, but I’ve never been.

suydam · November 2017

Michaell said:

akirby said:

Steak N Shake has steak burgers (thus the name).

They exist here in Colorado, but I’ve never been.

The best chocolate milkshakes!

akirby · November 2017

I’d put them above Wendy’s but below Five Guys.

berri · November 2017

Steak 'n Shake has real ice cream milkshakes and very finely cut French fries. Five guys has peanuts and fries that still have some skin on them. Another chain, Culvers uses custard for their ice cream treats. Oh the choices

stickguy · November 2017

I can feel myself getting fat just reading this thread.

We used to go to 5 guys occasionally. Pretty much not been on our diets since we went healthy. But every once in a while might go for a splurge. The fries, they are good. But get way too many!

Never been to shake shack but some people swear by it. I am not big on milk shakes, but my wife likes them.

suydam · November 2017

akirby said:
I’d put them above Wendy’s but below Five Guys.

I love Five Guys! The best burgers! But they don’t make milkshakes.

berri · November 2017

I got a milk shake at a Five Guys in Florida, but it was out of one of those machines like Dairy Queen or McDonalds. Wasn't bad, but if I'm going to waste the calories I prefer real ice cream, or at least custard. Now I'm getting hungry! btw, I haven't been to a Shake Shack either, but someone said they don't make real ice cream milk shakes either. Anyone know for sure?

Midsized cars - oh I believe I had a Sonata rental that trip

iluvmysephia1 · November 2017

While in Kansas City the Mrs. and I had Steak n' Shake in our occasional rotation. Little pick 'em up stick french fries which were fairly good if hot, but the burgers were really good.

Culver's was also there and they have a butter burger that was delish.

akirby · November 2017

I don't like the Steak n shake fries - too thin. Never seen a Five Guys with a shake or ice cream machine - that must be a one off. Only downside to 5 guys is my wife doesn't eat beef or hot dogs so I pretty much have to go by myself.

m6user · November 2017

Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.

akirby · November 2017

Is the Fusion Sport the most powerful non luxury midsized sedan? 325 hp, 380 lb/ft at 3000 RPM.

ab348 · November 2017

m6user said:
Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.

Oh my... the auto journos will wet their pants in glee.

roadburner · November 2017

m6user said:
Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.

Make it AWD with a default 50/50 torque split and I'd seriously consider one.

Michaell · November 2017

roadburner said:

m6user said:
Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.
Make it AWD with a default 50/50 torque split and I'd seriously consider one.

I could live with FWD.

My question is - will it be available with a stick shift?

The one complaint I had when I test drove the 6 a few months back was the lack of get up and go - this engine would certainly solve that problem.

akirby · November 2017

roadburner said:

m6user said:
Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.
Make it AWD with a default 50/50 torque split and I'd seriously consider one.

All the time or as needed? I don't think you're going to get full time AWD out of a transverse setup. The AWD components aren't built to take that much torque for extended periods. Ford's AWD system on the Fusion Sport can send almost 100% torque to the rear as needed for short periods. And it anticipates wheel spin and shifts torque before slippage occurs. I think that's as close as you're going to get in a non luxury midsized sedan.

roadburner · November 2017

All the time; as much fun as my MS3 was, I'm one and done with FWD. I prefer RWD, but I'd consider a car with a 50/50(or better yet, 40/60) default torque split. A part-time rear axle wont cut it.

roadburner · November 2017

All the time; as much fun as my MS3 was, I'm one and done with FWD. I prefer RWD, but I'd consider a car with a 50/50(or better yet, 40/60) default torque split. A part-time rear axle won't cut it.

stickguy · November 2017

I doubt that 6 will have AWD. Stick is possible since Mazda is one of the last hold outs on that.

Still funny to read engine comments. Every review has the 6 at the head of the 4 cylinder class in acceleration. They don’t have an optional big motor, which few peopl3 buy anyway in the competition.

akirby · November 2017

roadburner said:
All the time; as much fun as my MS3 was, I'm one and done with FWD. I prefer RWD, but I'd consider a car with a 50/50(or better yet, 40/60) default torque split. A part-time rear axle wont cut it.

Subaru might be your only option outside of luxury brands such as Audi, etc.

[Deleted User] · November 2017

akirby said:
If you want more ground clearance/taller seating and higher rooflines you should probably be looking at a crossover.

Or a half crossover like the Honda Crosstour (shuddering)or the 3 series GT

[Deleted User] · November 2017

ab348 said:
Civic seems designed for short folks.

More like the over-caffeinated teen driver and his or her cronies. I love the Touring model. Dual exhaust tucked up under the fairing is a classy departure from giant exhaust pipes on 130 hp (avg) Civics of yore with a hole cut in the fairing, then enlarged for giant exhaust tip and low restriction muffler that made the engine sound like a swarm of bees/wasps/angry horseflies.

[Deleted User] · November 2017

imidazol97 said:

brian125 said:
2018 Interior spec's.....1- Accord 2- Camry 3- Elantra 4- Forte 5- Civic 6- Cruze 7- Corolla 8- Sentra 2017/ 18

H/Rm............. H/Rear........L/R...........S/R
1-37.5..............37.2...........42.3...........58.3
2-38.3..............37.3...........42.1...........57.7
3-38.8...............38.0..........42.2...........56.2
4-39.1...............37.3..........42.2...........56.1
5-36.5...............34.5..........42.3...........56.9
6- 38.9..............37.3..........42.0...........54.9
7-38.3...............37.1..........42.3...........54.8
8-39.4...............36.7..........42.5...........54.7

2018 Ford Fusion............39.2......37.8......44.3.........57.8
2018 Sonata ...................40.4......38.0......45.5.........57.9
And the Malibu?

And the Optima; but since it is a Sonata in disguise, mostly on the exterior; I think the Sonata specs and the Optima will be super-similar

[Deleted User] · November 2017

Michaell said:

berri said:
So what is the Jack in the Box ribeye burger?
oooo .... good one, @berri

can't really think of a brand that splits the difference between the two.

It is an Accord Sport Burger......2012-2014 version.

[Deleted User] · November 2017

berri said:
So what is the Jack in the Box ribeye burger?

It is an Accord Sport, 2.4 non turbo version with a Stick The stick is molded from the bone-in rib-eye remains.

[Deleted User] · November 2017

ab348 said:

m6user said:
Just read on autoblog.com that the 2018 Mazda6 is getting the 2.5T from the CX-9 among some other updates. Will be at the LA show. 310 lbs torque should be very satisfying.
Oh my... the auto journos will wet their pants in glee.

So will I. I think that Mazda can tune a suspension into Heaven, but w/o any "Zoom" from the engine compartment to use it with; (as always) like the 185HP 2.5 in the Maz6. How would that have made me want to trade in my Optima with more HP and a bit more lb/ft?
SO HAPPY THE 6 WILL GET SOME ZOOM!

[Deleted User] · November 2017

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

wait, Jack in the Box still exists? I thought they were out of business.

Nope; still pretty common out west.

There are none here in VA, never seen a Carls JR either...but there used to be Hardee's.

[Deleted User] · November 2017

stickguy said:
might have been the V6. Only other option to the 2.4L NA 4 banger. And yes, Toyota does put low profile rubber on the SE, even with the base engine.

NAHH, as for the V6, there would have been quad tips. The car I saw had two exhaust tips on the right side...not "dual exhaust"which to me means a pipe on the left and one on the right. Also, badging would have been XSE..or XSR...something like that. No matter what, it appeared aggressive and of high quality. I was 3 feet from it with my window down. There WAS a pre - molded spot for dual tips on the right side...and have read of the V6 models 306 HP. That is SERIOUS power from a once reliable but BORING Camry. (some past V6 models excluded).

Michaell · November 2017

cski said:

stickguy said:

wait, Jack in the Box still exists? I thought they were out of business.

Nope; still pretty common out west.
There are none here in VA, never seen a Carls JR either...but there used to be Hardee's.

Hardee’s and Carl’s Jr. have the same corporate ownership now.

Mr_Shiftright · November 2017

cski said:

Michaell said:

berri said:
So what is the Jack in the Box ribeye burger?
oooo .... good one, @berri

can't really think of a brand that splits the difference between the two.
It is an Accord Sport Burger......2012-2014 version.

The new Sport 2.0L version is very pricey!

andres3 · November 2017

cski said:

ab348 said:
Civic seems designed for short folks.
More like the over-caffeinated teen driver and his or her cronies. I love the Touring model. Dual exhaust tucked up under the fairing is a classy departure from giant exhaust pipes on 130 hp (avg) Civics of yore with a hole cut in the fairing, then enlarged for giant exhaust tip and low restriction muffler that made the engine sound like a swarm of bees/wasps/angry horseflies.

So I got to ask, what makes a horsefly angry? What makes them happy?

Michaell · November 2017

andres3 said:

cski said:

ab348 said:
Civic seems designed for short folks.
More like the over-caffeinated teen driver and his or her cronies. I love the Touring model. Dual exhaust tucked up under the fairing is a classy departure from giant exhaust pipes on 130 hp (avg) Civics of yore with a hole cut in the fairing, then enlarged for giant exhaust tip and low restriction muffler that made the engine sound like a swarm of bees/wasps/angry horseflies.
So I got to ask, what makes a horsefly angry? What makes them happy?

I would have to go with:

1. Horses make a horsefly happy
2. Lack of horses make them angry

berri · November 2017

Horse feathers; horse flies always seem angry

benjaminh · November 2017

My local Honda dealer is already advertising c. 2k off of msrp for all 2018 Accords. That's a little faster than I thought.

stickguy · November 2017

saw and sat in a 2018 Accord today. Nice looking in person. Very roomy. Interior styling was fine. Overall, I liked it a lot better than the Camry (this is without driving either one).

Michaell · November 2017

stickguy said:
saw and sat in a 2018 Accord today. Nice looking in person. Very roomy. Interior styling was fine. Overall, I liked it a lot better than the Camry (this is without driving either one).

About time you had a chance to finally sit in one.

What trim level was it?

stickguy · November 2017

Sport. 1.5t. Nice enough. Did not like how the console poked into my knee, but the interior seemed nice. Actually found the 2017 a bit more comfortable seating position.

stickguy · November 2017

i do need to drive one eventually. And a CRV. Always impressed when I sit in one. Possibly wife’s next ride.

Michaell · November 2017

stickguy said:
i do need to drive one eventually. And a CRV. Always impressed when I sit in one. Possibly wife’s next ride.

Especially if Honda decides to add the 2.0T engine to the mix.

explorerx4 · November 2017

@stickguy,
Not sure if your wife is going to like going form an RDX to a CR-V.
My wife has only gone up the ladder, 2004 Escape Limited, 2009 Limited, 2013 Titanium, 2016 Lincoln MKC.
When she got the 2009, the 2004 was passed on to our oldest. When she got the 2013, 2004 went from #1 to #2 and #1 got the 2009. When she got the 2016, the 2013 went to #2.

stickguy · November 2017

she will get distracted by all the neat new features that she doesn't have now. Won't notice a few less HP.

tbirdmarco · November 2017

all this talk about food mmm want an birger now but so early in the morning!

Mr_Shiftright · November 2017

The Italians eat ice cream for breakfast. You have to overcome your cultural restraints.

ab348 · November 2017

Crossposting this post about an article in Automotive News re the new Camry and the Georgetown, KY plant where it is built.

sda · November 2017

ab348 said:
Crossposting this post about an article in Automotive News re the new Camry and the Georgetown, KY plant where it is built.

Not good and certainly not positive reinforcement or constructive.

explorerx4 · November 2017

@ab348,
If anyone would do that, you think it would be Honda because the Accord is, I believe, a NA only product.

berri · November 2017

I'm not sure it would mean US Toyota production workers lose their job. Plant can be converted to Highlanders where there is greater markup and more demand.

stickguy · November 2017

I thought a big part of the reason to have the local plants was a hedge against currency fluctuations. Might be cheaper now to do in Japan, but that could change quickly.

Michaell · November 2017

stickguy said:
I thought a big part of the reason to have the local plants was a hedge against currency fluctuations. Might be cheaper now to do in Japan, but that could change quickly.

Plus, it was to circumvent the import restrictions of the 80's.

berri · November 2017

You'd probably have to have some insight into the fixed cost structure of the plant and facility to really analyze it all. That would be a tipoff toward how many shifts are essential to cover them on top of variable costs. The Kentucky facility is probably too large to be an attractive sale to another manufacturer these days. I still think the ultimate outcome will not be a closing, but a question of how many shifts and what product mix. At the end of the day, Trump and the feds will have no real impact on it all. Nafta ending will likely increase car prices for US buyers, but the company impacts will be much larger on the auto sector vendors. Now outright trade restrictions would impact, but would likely be met with retaliatory measures that would disproportionately affect red states, especially the agriculture interests.

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