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Mr_Shiftright · January 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:
Has Edmunds changed the home page recently? I had a heck of a time finding the auto forums. I ended up going to the site map and finding it there. Auto forums used to be listed on the bottom of the page. I do have it marked as a favorite, so it shouldn't be a problem going forward. I wonder if this is a way to discourage newcomers?
Car forums is still down at the bottom of the page.

Something may have changed because I was booted out and had to log in again yesterday.

OF, I think they meant that there's no Forums link on the Edmunds Home Page. You are already in the Forums if you see a Forums link.

driver100 · January 2019

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:
Just got a call from the Mercedes Service - the parts they received from Orlando were improperly labeled - they received two right tracks for the roof instead of a left and a right. So they are ordering a left track which should be delivered by Monday. Even more disconcerting is the fact that they don’t know if these new tracks for the roof will solve the problem.

I just hope it is the solution to the problem because if it isn’t they will have to bring in the zone techs to diagnose it. I think it’s the fact that these roofs now open up and over the rear of the top of the car requiring a lot more mechanical maneuvering. Who knows - but they have to keep the car indoors because they have the glass removed.
It could only happen to you Mike!

They should post your picture at all the dealerships......don't sell a car to this guy.

At least I have had no food shopping incidents recently. I do my food shopping early in the morning now to avoid those possible weird interactions with the elderly.

Now that it’s cooler, I shop at Walmart so my frozen items don’t defrost by the time I get home. What amazes me is the difference in food costs between Publix, Costco and Walmart. My usual costs are $150.00 every 2 weeks at Publix compared to $100 at Walmart. That is significant! Here are some examples - Publix vs. Walmart:

Dole Pineapple Chunks in a can. $1.89. $1.33
Folgers Coffee 3 lb container. $12.99. $9.90
2 lbs brick of sharp cheddar. $8.99. $6.99
1 gallon of whole milk. $3.79. $2.89
1 lb margarine. $1.29. $.83
Weight Watchers Smart Ones $2.49. $1.67
Bananas. $.69 a pound. $.43 a pound

I don’t buy meats or chicken at Walmart - just packaged and canned goods. But if I am saving 30% each time I go shopping, that’s quite a bit

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You didn't count that you should buy things on sale at Publix, especially two for the price of one. Plus, there is a better chance my car won't be damaged by a shopping cart or a driver opening their door. Then, there is the choice of products....Wallymart offers very little in low fat or low sodium products whereas Publix has more of the better products.....and you can get most grocery items at Publix, but not everything at Wally's. I think the savings are more like 20%, I'd rather pay the extra $20 a week and not go through the Wally experience, personally. Oh yeh, probably a lot less chance of being attacked by a crazy old lady too!

suydam · January 2019

Second that. I’ve never cared for Walmart’s produce myself. It’s just the two of us now, so we can afford better quality food. But that’s why we’ve got choices!

dino001 · January 2019

You also stand in line in Publix at the register for just a minute or two. Walmart - could be quick, but chances are you’re stuck there for a while. I recently went to Walmart and wanted to get regular cream. Nope, only heavy. Cheese, yogurt, lunch meat choices all much more limited at WM. If you like those available, you’re in luck, if you don’t, you either change your likes, or go elsewhere. I only shop at Publix and Costco. The only thing that often looks better at WM is produce. I think it’s the volume, i,e. they’re fresher. Choices tend to be lesser and some vegetables/fruits are not available there, but the quality of those available seems quite good.

xwesx · January 2019

dino001 said:
You also stand in line in Publix at the register for just a minute or two. Walmart - could be quick, but chances are you’re stuck there for a while.

It always amazes my how few open registers they have at Walmart, and they certainly plan it that way because it doesn't matter when you go, you're guaranteed to be standing in line for a while! They are even pretty darn good at screwing up the self-checkout options.

I know they're trying to maximize cash flow, but it still doesn't make any sense to me: The primary thing customers are going to remember about their experience is the check-out process. So, if you frustrate them upon check-out, how does that reflect well on the company?

I probably drop maybe five percent of my monthly spend at Walmart, and most of the rest is at competitors (versus for unrelated stuff). They don't even rank on my preferred store list unless we're traveling (and only because of name recognition).

stickguy · January 2019

well, with Walmart, my bet is that overwhelmingly what the customers remember is how much they spent. As long as it was cheap, they will put up with being treated like cattle.

we get a few select things at Walmart. Usually our Kashi cereal (regular price is cheaper). and condiments (they have fantastic stone ground mustard). Bread, they have some good options there. other than that, some stuff like hair products. Never real food shopping.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

Wow, they just auctioned a 2020 Shelby Mustang GT500 at Barrett-Jackson for $1,100,000.

andres3 · January 2019

Mr_Shiftright said:
Good. I hate noisy exhausts except at a race track. I think every Harley with straight pipes should be crushed and the driver's children put in foster homes.

And, yes, get off my lawn!

Meanwhile rapists, murderers, and DUI drivers roam free

xwesx · January 2019

stickguy said:
well, with Walmart, my bet is that overwhelmingly what the customers remember is how much they spent. As long as it was cheap, they will put up with being treated like cattle.

we get a few select things at Walmart. Usually our Kashi cereal (regular price is cheaper). and condiments (they have fantastic stone ground mustard). Bread, they have some good options there. other than that, some stuff like hair products. Never real food shopping.

Probably. I certainly feel like I'm roaming a barnyard in there; so many cattle!

andres3 · January 2019

imidazol97 said:

dino001 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:
Excellent brief article about why the Chevy Reliability ads are not very reliable.

WHY THE CHEVY RELIABILITY AD DOESN'T AMOUNT TO MUCH and is very - defensive!
Sounds like one of the places with a long term anti GM bias. Did you find anything from the truth about cars guy who hates GM?
Here we go again - obvious conspiracy. It just can't be otherwise, can it?
Since you brought up "conspiracy," the Truth About Cars guy was a rabid GM critic. Am I wrong on that?
And has Jalopnik been open to the idea that GM has improved from some bad exemplars of the past? Or not.

There are some places that continue to be the resistance to admitting that things have changed. Hopefully the public will begin to see that things are much better than 10 years ago or more in GM's auto business. But often, the reputation of some brands lives on and on despite various problems with some of their vehicles--those same problems that most vehicles have somewhere in their record. So how does one change the reputation image in people's minds? There has to be information put out that gives a credible and memorable point of view for the public.

As to me, I find my dealerships have been the most important value factor in my cars. I have a Malibu, that has had NO mechanical problems in 5 years. I have not had a sunroof that broke, e.g.. I have not had a water pump fail.

The dealer was helpful in pointing out my tires are almost 5 years old and have some road force unevenness. They suggested planning to replace them because they are aging. The Goodyear Eagle LS2 tires did not have a good rep with some on the forum when the car came with them. I suspect it's because they develop road force variation with age. The tires aren't GM's fault.

Nobody mentioned "conspiracy." I am mentioning continued old, out-dated ideas in folks' minds.

I'm of the opinion that a car manufacturer having to tell you they are "reliable" through deceptive ads backed by phony surveys is on par with someone telling you they are a very stable genius.

Anyway, usually geniuses don't have to tell you so, it just shows, and the same with reliability, the word of mouth gets out if you earn it, or you can run a fake commercial/advertisement if you haven't earned it.

stickguy · January 2019

Farmer. I assume that GT500 was for charity. Some of those go for crazy money.

and good luck this weekend, with the feet of snow followed by sub zero temps!

andres3 · January 2019

berri said:
I take stats and the like in ads with great skepticism given the games that can be played. As for Chevy having to pull the ad, I guess I could see it two ways: 1) Chevy got the point out or 2) the public focuses on it being pulled reducing Chevy/GM credibility. Time may tell which ways it worked.

Actually, I liked Shifty's suggestion that you ought to see which car lots have the most competitors cars on them. yeah, I know - dealers can get them from wholesale auctions as well as trade ins.

What credibility? Hard to lose something you didn't have in the first place.

ab348 · January 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
Wow, they just auctioned a 2020 Shelby Mustang GT500 at Barrett-Jackson for $1,100,000.

That was really Craig Jackson making a very public donation to a charity that he may well feel strongly about, but is also one that is very important to Edsel Ford. And being on good terms with Ford is very important to an operation like B-J. Please pardon my cynicism.

I just happened to tune in at that moment as it was the only part of last night's presentation that I caught, I am so over watching Barrett-Jackson. The endless hype, the parade of resto-mods, pro tourers and sometimes questionable customs, the paucity of restored or original classics, and the absurd overpaying for very ordinary vehicles that cross the block by a bunch of liquored-up old guys has really turned me off.

I took the leap yesterday and signed up Amazon Prime video, so I spent part of the evening watching the new episode of The Grand Tour. Enjoyed it.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

stickguy said:
Farmer. I assume that GT500 was for charity. Some of those go for crazy money.

and good luck this weekend, with the feet of snow followed by sub zero temps!

Yes, it was for charity.

We’re due for 14-20” of snow tonight and everyone is freaking out. So if you don’t hear from me again it’s because I was eaten by polar bears.

I have to go to work Monday at 5:30 and it’s suppose to be -7 with wind. Long johns here I come.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Wow, they just auctioned a 2020 Shelby Mustang GT500 at Barrett-Jackson for $1,100,000.
That was really Craig Jackson making a very public donation to a charity that he may well feel strongly about, but is also one that is very important to Edsel Ford. And being on good terms with Ford is very important to an operation like B-J. Please pardon my cynicism.

I just happened to tune in at that moment as it was the only part of last night's presentation that I caught, I am so over watching Barrett-Jackson. The endless hype, the parade of resto-mods, pro tourers and sometimes questionable customs, the paucity of restored or original classics, and the absurd overpaying for very ordinary vehicles that cross the block by a bunch of liquored-up old guys has really turned me off.

I took the leap yesterday and signed up Amazon Prime video, so I spent part of the evening watching the new episode of The Grand Tour. Enjoyed it.

I sometimes see classics going across the block for what to me seems like a cheap price but I realize that as a viewer I know nothing about a particular car. Rarely do they tell you the mileage unless it is some 10 mile gem that was put directly into storage 50 years ago. For all you know, those cars are all rust buckets with mismatched parts underneath.

I saw an indication of how important provenance is to price when I was at the Saratoga Auto Museum auction last fall. Old cars were being sold for a lower similar price range. Then a bunch of cars owned by a well know local collector came up for sale and sold for about double the others. The collector had a reputation for meticulous numbers matching restorations. I guess that reassured bidders that they were getting a quality car.

bwia · January 2019

Feeling lucky today? Try this quiz show question for £1,000,000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn7zsl3NiPE

stickguy · January 2019

I knew that question.

dino001 · January 2019

andres3 said:

I'm of the opinion that a car manufacturer having to tell you they are "reliable" through deceptive ads backed by phony surveys is on par with someone telling you they are a very stable genius.

Failed poster, nobody-likes-him Andre3, says I'm not smart. BELIEEEVE ME, I am super smart.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

dino001 · January 2019

Twose twos were rare even in their "heyday". I remember once getting a change from 20, all in brand new two dollar bills (almost 20 years ago). I was still fairly new to the country and my first reaction was similar to this kid's - somebody's giving me fake stack.

berri · January 2019

I think their heyday (if there was such a thing) was betting at the horse racetracks popular some years ago.

jmonroe1 · January 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

berri said:

So far I’ve had very good luck with both the Encore and the Volt, my first two GM cars ever.

GM does seem to be doing well with electric. Isn't the Encore a Korean vehicle? So it may not be a good indicator of GM USA.
My only vehicle with over 100k miles is a GM product and it’s performed pretty well so far. The few defects have been cheap fixes. Not bad for an old beater.
Maybe GM should do an ad with you as it's main star. Yep, no one makes a better hooptie than GM, I got over 100000 miles out of one of them, works out to about $100 bucks a year to run my old Caddie.
Back in my Mopar days the joke was: “a Chrysler will run poorly longer than most other cars will run at all”.

Maybe that’s the next commercial.

You sorta turned that around @oldfarmer50. When I was growing up in the Burgh area back in the 50's and 60's, that saying was for GM cars not Chrysler cars. Funny in that nobody ever said it about Ford's, since nobody in these parts would have believed that for one second.

jmonroe

abacomike · January 2019

dino001 said:

I'm of the opinion that a car manufacturer having to tell you they are "reliable" through deceptive ads backed by phony surveys is on par with someone telling you they are a very stable genius.
Failed poster, nobody-likes-him Andre3, says I'm not smart. BELIEEEVE ME, I am super smart.

I “BELIEEEVE” YOU!

stickguy · January 2019

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

explorerx4 · January 2019

That Chevy commercial is on right now.

qbrozen · January 2019

I have a $2-bill collection

ab348 · January 2019

stickguy said:
Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

qbrozen · January 2019

ab348 said:

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!
If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

Huh?? So a pack of gum can cost no less than $5? How the hell is that gonna work?

henryn · January 2019

Reminds me of a news story I saw about the run-up to the first Gulf war.

CIA agents were crossing over from Turkey into northern Iraq to try and influence the Kurds into being on our side in the upcoming war. They were driving over in 4WD Suburbans, and they carried millions of dollars in cash. All of it in $100 bills. The joke was that after a while, $100 would buy a cup of coffee.

There was too much money floating around, and no one could make change. Strange but true.

Mr_Shiftright · January 2019

I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.

There is no hill here worth dying for. Moderators understand that there can be little slips in the heat of an argument, but some of you are pushing it too hard. Be respectful of other opinions, take a deep breath and just move on to the next comment.

Thank you. You're all better than this.

Shifty

driver100 · January 2019

stickguy said:
I knew that question.

But, did you know the answer?

driver100 · January 2019

oldfarmer50 said:
A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

That was mean oldfarmer giving the kid a two dollar bill. Wasn't there a saying many years ago "That's as phony as a $2 bill"? Should have said $3 bill then it would make sense.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

stickguy said:
I knew that question.

Me too.

driver100 · January 2019

qbrozen said:

ab348 said:

stickguy said:
Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!
If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

Huh?? So a pack of gum can cost no less than $5? How the hell is that gonna work?

You can pay with the gum using a $1 or $2 coin.......and if it is a vending machine it can give you back change, but not pennies.
They should do away with 5 cent and 10 cent coins too....they are almost useless.
When we got rid of pennies we just round off to the nearest nickel.

driver100 · January 2019

explorerx4 said:
That Chevy commercial is on right now.

Did you fall for it?

driver100 · January 2019

qbrozen said:
I have a $2-bill collection

Once you have one....don't you kinda like have them all?

Mr_Shiftright · January 2019

Pretty soon there won't be real money anymore I bet. To an infant born today, paper money will seem like bartering with chickens.

An interesting thing to do, if you are ever in a museum that has a substantial coin collection from ages past, is to view the coinage of a particular Empire, as it declines. The money starts to look shabbier and shabbier as time progresses.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

dino001 said:
Twose twos were rare even in their "heyday". I remember once getting a change from 20, all in brand new two dollar bills (almost 20 years ago). I was still fairly new to the country and my first reaction was similar to this kid's - somebody's giving me fake stack.

They’re not very common but I still get a few from customers. This holiday I asked specifically for a few at the bank to give as gifts to some grand nephews. The teller I was dealing with acted like I was asking for unicorns but the next teller over said he had a bunch of brand new ones.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

stickguy said:
Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!

That’s what I gave to the kids for Christmas for years, especially the gold ones. I actually got a few of the little ones believing that their uncle was a pirate with a chest full gold in the basement. My niece actually got herself a little wooden treasure chest to put them in.

Nowadays inflation requires $2 bills so I don’t look like a cheap bum.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

qbrozen said:
I have a $2-bill collection

Do you have any of the old silver certificates? Those are collectible I hear. I’ve got one but it’s in rough condition.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

ab348 said:

stickguy said:
Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!
If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

I haven’t seen a US 50 cent coin in a long time. Most of the old ones were melted down when silver prices spiked years ago.

oldfarmer50 · January 2019

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:
A few days ago we were talking about how young folks didn’t understand old tech like rotary phones. Today at the drive thru I had a similar experience.

My order was for $10.40 so I gave the kid a $10 bill and a $2 bill (yeah they still make ‘em). I immediately could tell I had stirred something up as the kid looked and looked at the bill and just stood there confused. He called his manager over and held it up to the light while having an animated discussion. He even seemed to be googling something on his phone. Finally he had to consult with the boss again because there was no slot in his drawer for $2 bills.

As he handed me my change I asked “did that $2 bill throw you?” He sheepishly said “yeah”.

That was mean oldfarmer giving the kid a two dollar bill. Wasn't there a saying many years ago "That's as phony as a $2 bill"? Should have said $3 bill then it would make sense.

The saying was “phony as a $3 bill” because the US federal government never printed one.

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110920/news/709209778/

driver100 · January 2019

Mr_Shiftright said:
I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty

Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

imidazol97 · January 2019

@oldfarmer50
I hope you and the others in the East luck out like we have so far with this storm (I forget her name).

We'd had rain all morning instead of snow, that substantially has reduced the snow total
for today and tomorrow. If we were just above the 32 deg F line all day, I heard 10-12 inches
predicted, which is a lot for us.

But can someone do something about the 45 mph winds coming with the Gift From Canada cold front coming in this afternoon and evening. Drifting snow.

Down to -4 deg F tomorrow night!

imidazol97 · January 2019

What's with PA telling commercial vehicles they can't come into PA. They're saying find somewhere to park in OHIO. We're going to be full of semis with as much traffic as flows on I70 and I80...

qbrozen · January 2019

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Dollar coins are still floating around too. My local commuter transit (into Philly) for a long time at their ticket vending machines used those, so if you put in cash for a tick you could end up with a few dollar coins back. Often a pain to get rid of!
If you visit Canada the smallest bill you will find is $5. Years ago the govt got rid of the $1 bill (replaced by a coin with a picture of a loon bird on it, which instantly became known as a loonie) and then some years after that the $2 bill which was more popular here than in the USA got replaced by another coin, called the toonie. They also got rid of the penny a couple of years ago and are talking about getting rid of other coins as well. One thing I never understood is why a 50 cent/half dollar coin was not more popular. I have seen some when visiting the US but for whatever reason they are very scarce in Canada.

Huh?? So a pack of gum can cost no less than $5? How the hell is that gonna work?
You can pay with the gum using a $1 or $2 coin.......and if it is a vending machine it can give you back change, but not pennies. They should do away with 5 cent and 10 cent coins too....they are almost useless. When we got rid of pennies we just round off to the nearest nickel.

But didn’t you just say they are talking about getting rid of all coins? So no coins and no bills smaller than $5 means nothing can cost less than $5 and then go up in $5 increments from there.

qbrozen · January 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

I have a $2-bill collection
Do you have any of the old silver certificates? Those are collectible I hear. I’ve got one but it’s in rough condition.

Yes. I’d have to find my stack. It is in a box somewhere. I “collected” them back in HS when I worked at a Walgreens. The old folks would come in and use them and I’d buy them out of the register.

graphicguy · January 2019

@bwia I’ve heard of The Soul of the Machine. Will have to check it out. Thanks.

One small correction, i never worked for Data General, although they did try to hire me once.

I worked for Control Data....the now defunct Super Computer company.

explorerx4 · January 2019

Good move on PA's part. I-80 is very dangerous in bad weather.

Mr_Shiftright · January 2019

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:
I would like to remind everyone here to be very conscious of making comments that could be construed as personal attacks on other members--no matter how tampered down those comments might appear after being lathered up with emoticons.
Shifty
Does that include any derogatory comments about me wearing a horizontal striped T-shirt?

If it causes you emotional distress, then yes, that's included.

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