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jmonroe1 · July 2019

cdnpinhead said:
". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.

I think I can relieve you skepticism, at least, a little.

He doesn't like to read but he loves to write. Little does he know, not many in here read what he writes.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

thebean said:
Happy Birthday @jmonroe1. I won’t be rude and annoying ask how many, since you called me on asking how long you had been married.

Thanks. You're not being rude but to answer your question, I turned 25 on my honeymoon. Back in my day if you avoided marriage by that age you were almost home free. As you can see almost is worthless when you have been tricked like I was. She never showed her speed back then.

jmonroe

driver100 · July 2019

cdnpinhead said:
". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.

This is the only board I post on....and some have way more posts than me. Plus, I have been here a long time, probably close to 15 years.
Besides, when you're as knowledgeable as me, people rely on my comments and advice.

driver100 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

cdnpinhead said:
". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.
I think I can relieve you skepticism, at least, a little.

He doesn't like to read but he loves to write. Little does he know, not many in here read what he writes.

Not true, I read almost everyone's posts....except yours.
I say, if you can't say it in less than 150 words forget it, I have a life to be lived.

driver100 · July 2019

There was a letter a few days ago in the local paper that said, "If you are entering a highway in the merge lane, the driver in the merge lane has the right of way! Drivers on the highway have to let that car in.
The next day there was a slew of letters saying that is wrong, the car on the highway has the right of way - and some said courteous drivers help cars to merge.
I looked up the laws in different jurisdictions and the second opinion is correct. This one from Michigan says it best.
While readers may continue to argue over appropriate etiquette at highway on ramps, Michigan law leaves little room for debate: Merging motorists "shall" yield the right-of-way to existing traffic and adjust their speed accordingly. Failure to do so can constitute a civil infraction.

There's nothing in the law that prevents highway motorists from safely switching lanes or moderately adjusting speeds to make room for merging traffic, but such behavior should be considered a courtesy rather an obligation

dino001 · July 2019

driver100 said:
There was a letter a few days ago in the local paper that said, "If you are entering a highway in the merge lane, the driver in the merge lane has the right of way! Drivers on the highway have to let that car in.
The next day there was a slew of letters saying that is wrong, the car on the highway has the right of way - and some said courteous drivers help cars to merge.
I looked up the laws in different jurisdictions and the second opinion is correct. This one from Michigan says it best.
While readers may continue to argue over appropriate etiquette at highway on ramps, Michigan law leaves little room for debate: Merging motorists "shall" yield the right-of-way to existing traffic and adjust their speed accordingly. Failure to do so can constitute a civil infraction.

There's nothing in the law that prevents highway motorists from safely switching lanes or moderately adjusting speeds to make room for merging traffic, but such behavior should be considered a courtesy rather an obligation

From Florida Driver Handbook:

1. Who has the right-of-way in Florida? The answer is no one! The law only says who must yield (give up) the right-of-way. Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash.
2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway. You cannot always count on other drivers moving over to give you room to enter, but do not stop on an acceleration lane unless traffic is too heavy and there is no space for you to enter safely.

These two rules basically mean that if some knuckle head rams into you, or cuts you off and you ram into them and you had a chance to avoid it by slowing down and letting him in, you'll be declared a contributor. It's not enough to be on a lane that is marked to be yielded to, one has to avoid crashing into somebody. This of course makes large percentage of crashes with shared liability and nice field for lawyers and insurance companies to argue percentages.

driver100 · July 2019

tjc78"
All this talk of decks ....
If you haven’t seen it’s worth the 5 minutes

tjc....that was absolutely hilarious....RFLMAO a few times!
Those guys sound like JMonroe going on about who's deck is bigger!

driver100 · July 2019

I read this part:
"2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway." as seeing it the way the other jurisdictions do, but they seem to allow for more politeness by saying "Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash".
I would think, unless it was a very unusual situation, if there was an accident, the one already on the highway would win!

dino001 · July 2019

driver100 said:
I read this part:
"2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway." as seeing it the way the other jurisdictions do, but they seem to allow for more politeness by saying "Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash".
I would think, unless it was a very unusual situation, if there was an accident, the one already on the highway would win!

Not if slowing by 10 mph couple of seconds before (when seeing a guy attempting to merge) could have avoided the crash. Then he doesn't "win", he shares the responsibility. Not necessarily 50-50, but they will assign some, it's not going to be 100% "intruder's fault". It will go like this - the intruded started it, but the guy on the highway did not make reasonable efforts (slowing down) he was supposed to to avoid the collision.

Bottom line, just because you're on the traveling lane, it doesn't make you master of the highway. Just because other people are told to yield to you, doesn't mean you can carelessly ram into them at will for their disobedience.

explorerx4 · July 2019

I'm glad my deck is bigger than Dirver100's, but I can't compete with jmonroe1.
On the other hand since Driver100 has a place in FL too, maybe he has 2 decks.
Not sure if one big deck trumps 2 smaller one's.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
I'm glad my deck is bigger than Dirver100's, but I can't compete with jmonroe1.
On the other hand since Driver100 has a place in FL too, maybe he has 2 decks.
Not sure if one big deck trumps 2 smaller one's.

Simple answer is NO. Each deck is responsible for its own size. Next, he might want credit if his deck is higher than others. How about whose deck has more nails or screws regardless if it is overkill or not. :@

jmonroe

imidazol97 · July 2019

Mine has stainless steel screw in it, just like Mercedes would use if they were building decks.

I can even reuse some of the screws when I put down new wood in the fall.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

thebean said:

dino001 said:

thebean said:
The microwave actually helps people. 95% of internet activity is just for worthless social media posts by egotistical people wanting praise.

BTW, we bought our Amana Radarange in 1983 and got 35 years out of it. Built like a tank,
All statistics are made up, including one I just made up.

To say it's just worthless social media, is a completely distorted view. Internet enabled information exchange that is beyond comprehension. Commerce, logistics, customer management and we are actually still just scratching the surface of potential use. Industrial internet means machines can potentially call owners for service on premature wear of components, minimizing unplanned disruptions. Sensors embedded everywhere. Machine data learning.allowing to squeeze additional efficiencies. This is just starting. But even in the past, just ability to buy something that your local grocery or hardware store does not carry (and none of their suppliers has even idea of what it is) to be delivered to your door couple of days after ordering is beyond amazing, IMHO. Using my original comparison (printing press), saying that Internet is just social media is like saying that print is just romance novels and tabloid papers, just because they outsell anything else.
OK, I’ll adjust my percentage to 70%. Still a lot of worthless usage on the web, and I don’t see working people’s lives being made better because of it. If anything, a lot of people have been put out of work because of internet usage. Just because something is new and exciting does not mean it benefits society. Making it easier to buy useless trinkets that put you in debt does not benefit anyone except the companies that sell said useless trinkets.
And selling useless cars doesn't benefit anyone but those that sell useless cars, tow truck companies, and auto repair shops.

That's been my argument since about the year 2000.
When did useless become the same as unreliable?
I suppose that occurs when you transition from reasonably unreliable to unreasonably unreliable?
But a useless car can be very reliable and an unreliable car can be useful.
Please give examples.

Well, my sports car and my convertible may be useless for farm work but they can be relied on to get compliments and glances from attractive women.😘 on the other hand my farm van is unreliable but very useful.

Speaking of cars and women, we were out in the rural countryside today and stopped at a roadside convenience store. We pulled in next to a Porsche convertible driven by a beautiful blonde woman. A few seconds later another gorgeous woman walked out of the store and got into a Mercedes convertible. These women were so attractive that even our new woman transporter who was with us noticed them. Maybe they were having a model’s convention in the woods nearby.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

houdini2 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

thebean said:
Do you think we will ever see quirky or low profit autos like the Honda Element or a really small GM/Ford pickup or Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon again from mainstream companies? It seems that auto makers aren’t going to mfg anything that won’t sell in large numbers. Not to mention only limited exterior/interior colors. What’s out there now is not enough to get me in the showroom to spend my hard-earned cash.
I think you’re spot on. It’s been years since industry leaders Honda and Toyota abandoned cars like the MR2 or S2000. Now most brands are eliminating whole segments in favor of the most profitable lines.
Kia and Hyundai are your best bets.

OK what happened? As was typing a response the page went blank and was covered with a message that “Cloudflare” had timed out and I should try again later. What’s up with that?

snakeweasel · July 2019

dino001 said:

driver100 said:
There was a letter a few days ago in the local paper that said, "If you are entering a highway in the merge lane, the driver in the merge lane has the right of way! Drivers on the highway have to let that car in.
The next day there was a slew of letters saying that is wrong, the car on the highway has the right of way - and some said courteous drivers help cars to merge.
I looked up the laws in different jurisdictions and the second opinion is correct. This one from Michigan says it best.
While readers may continue to argue over appropriate etiquette at highway on ramps, Michigan law leaves little room for debate: Merging motorists "shall" yield the right-of-way to existing traffic and adjust their speed accordingly. Failure to do so can constitute a civil infraction.

There's nothing in the law that prevents highway motorists from safely switching lanes or moderately adjusting speeds to make room for merging traffic, but such behavior should be considered a courtesy rather an obligation
From Florida Driver Handbook:

1. Who has the right-of-way in Florida? The answer is no one! The law only says who must yield (give up) the right-of-way. Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash.
2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway. You cannot always count on other drivers moving over to give you room to enter, but do not stop on an acceleration lane unless traffic is too heavy and there is no space for you to enter safely.

These two rules basically mean that if some knuckle head rams into you, or cuts you off and you ram into them and you had a chance to avoid it by slowing down and letting him in, you'll be declared a contributor. It's not enough to be on a lane that is marked to be yielded to, one has to avoid crashing into somebody. This of course makes large percentage of crashes with shared liability and nice field for lawyers and insurance companies to argue percentages.

Wait if you dont have it (right of way) how can you give it up? Also if no one has right of way doesn't that make traffic control devices meaningless?

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:
". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.
This is the only board I post on....and some have way more posts than me. Plus, I have been here a long time, probably close to 15 years.
Besides, when you're as knowledgeable as me, people rely on my comments and advice.

I love this banter between various egos on this board. It’s like I never left the Enterprise van.

(Ok, how come the emotorcons are working now when they weren’t working 5 minutes ago?)

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

thebean said:
Happy Birthday @jmonroe1. I won’t be rude and annoying ask how many, since you called me on asking how long you had been married.
Thanks. You're not being rude but to answer your question, I turned 25 on my honeymoon. Back in my day if you avoided marriage by that age you were almost home free. As you can see almost is worthless when you have been tricked like I was. She never showed her speed back then.

jmonroe

I agree, my lovely bride got me at 23 when she bought me a car. Fell for it like a ton of bricks.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

dino001 said:

driver100 said:
There was a letter a few days ago in the local paper that said, "If you are entering a highway in the merge lane, the driver in the merge lane has the right of way! Drivers on the highway have to let that car in.
The next day there was a slew of letters saying that is wrong, the car on the highway has the right of way - and some said courteous drivers help cars to merge.
I looked up the laws in different jurisdictions and the second opinion is correct. This one from Michigan says it best.
While readers may continue to argue over appropriate etiquette at highway on ramps, Michigan law leaves little room for debate: Merging motorists "shall" yield the right-of-way to existing traffic and adjust their speed accordingly. Failure to do so can constitute a civil infraction.

There's nothing in the law that prevents highway motorists from safely switching lanes or moderately adjusting speeds to make room for merging traffic, but such behavior should be considered a courtesy rather an obligation
From Florida Driver Handbook:

1. Who has the right-of-way in Florida? The answer is no one! The law only says who must yield (give up) the right-of-way. Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash.
2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway. You cannot always count on other drivers moving over to give you room to enter, but do not stop on an acceleration lane unless traffic is too heavy and there is no space for you to enter safely.

These two rules basically mean that if some knuckle head rams into you, or cuts you off and you ram into them and you had a chance to avoid it by slowing down and letting him in, you'll be declared a contributor. It's not enough to be on a lane that is marked to be yielded to, one has to avoid crashing into somebody. This of course makes large percentage of crashes with shared liability and nice field for lawyers and insurance companies to argue percentages.

I think most jurisdictions require the merging driver to yield but accidents are usually caused by idiots who think they own the road and yield to no one regardless of crashing.
I’ve seen it both ways where a fool comes up the ramp and paces you until he runs out of ramp and then flings himself into your side. The reverse is also true where you try to accelerate or decelerate only to find a car speeding up and slowing down as if he wants to run you off the road.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

dino001 said:

driver100 said:
I read this part:
"2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway." as seeing it the way the other jurisdictions do, but they seem to allow for more politeness by saying "Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash".
I would think, unless it was a very unusual situation, if there was an accident, the one already on the highway would win!
Not if slowing by 10 mph couple of seconds before (when seeing a guy attempting to merge) could have avoided the crash. Then he doesn't "win", he shares the responsibility. Not necessarily 50-50, but they will assign some, it's not going to be 100% "intruder's fault". It will go like this - the intruded started it, but the guy on the highway did not make reasonable efforts (slowing down) he was supposed to to avoid the collision.

Bottom line, just because you're on the traveling lane, it doesn't make you master of the highway. Just because other people are told to yield to you, doesn't mean you can carelessly ram into them at will for their disobedience.

It’s like I told all the kids I taught to drive—just because you have the right of way it doesn’t mean your fender won’t dent.

Michaell · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:
Next, he might want credit if his deck is higher than others. How about whose deck has more nails or screws regardless if it is overkill or not. :@

jmonroe

If we're talking height, I win.

My house is about 5700' above sea level. :laughing:

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:
I'm glad my deck is bigger than Dirver100's, but I can't compete with jmonroe1.
On the other hand since Driver100 has a place in FL too, maybe he has 2 decks.
Not sure if one big deck trumps 2 smaller one's.
Simple answer is NO. Each deck is responsible for its own size. Next, he might want credit if his deck is higher than others. How about whose deck has more nails or screws regardless if it is overkill or not. :@

jmonroe

Sounds like all you guys have deck envy.

I don’t worry about the size of mine but then again, I have a big patio too.

cdnpinhead · July 2019

Yeah, I'm at 7470 ft elevation, so what does that make me? I have a tiny rear deck that overlooks a Ponderosa forest and am quite pleased with it, particularly since it's 71 degrees out while it's well over 100 in the hellhole that is the "valley of the sun."

ab348 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

OK what happened? As was typing a response the page went blank and was covered with a message that “Cloudflare” had timed out and I should try again later. What’s up with that?

Maybe it's like a solar flare that disrupts electronic communications on the planet Earth.

jmonroe1 · July 2019

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:
". . . I don't have the time to read long novellas about a deck."

I'm skeptical, given that you've taken the time to post 24.4K times in this board alone.
This is the only board I post on....and some have way more posts than me. Plus, I have been here a long time, probably close to 15 years.
Besides, when you're as knowledgeable as me, people rely on my comments and advice.
I love this banter between various egos on this board. It’s like I never left the Enterprise van.

(Ok, how come the emotorcons are working now when they weren’t working 5 minutes ago?)

It could be that your most recent dues payment was posted within the last 5 minutes.

jmonroe

qbrozen · July 2019

geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?

jmonroe1 · July 2019

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?

Make up a number and post it. About half of the guys in here will believe it.

jmonroe

driver100 · July 2019

dino001 said:

driver100 said:
I read this part:
"2. Merge into traffic when you can do so safely. You must yield the right-of-way to traffic on the expressway." as seeing it the way the other jurisdictions do, but they seem to allow for more politeness by saying "Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash".
I would think, unless it was a very unusual situation, if there was an accident, the one already on the highway would win!
Not if slowing by 10 mph couple of seconds before (when seeing a guy attempting to merge) could have avoided the crash. Then he doesn't "win", he shares the responsibility. Not necessarily 50-50, but they will assign some, it's not going to be 100% "intruder's fault". It will go like this - the intruded started it, but the guy on the highway did not make reasonable efforts (slowing down) he was supposed to to avoid the collision.

Bottom line, just because you're on the traveling lane, it doesn't make you master of the highway. Just because other people are told to yield to you, doesn't mean you can carelessly ram into them at will for their disobedience.

We probably are pretty close in our thinking. Car on the highway has right of way, merger has to try and fit in, car on highway should try to help him or at least not do something to impede him, otherwise the guy on the highway has some responsibility to avoid an accident.
However, it is weighted very much in favor of the highway driver in some jurisdictions....the one on the entrance has few rights and has to depend on getting on the highway, if others on the highway help it is only because they are being courteous.

driver100 · July 2019

explorerx4 said:
I'm glad my deck is bigger than Dirver100's, but I can't compete with jmonroe1.
On the other hand since Driver100 has a place in FL too, maybe he has 2 decks.
Not sure if one big deck trumps 2 smaller one's.

Good point. No deck in Florida but the lanai serves the same purpose, it is about 25 ft X 10 ft. The two together are probably bigger than JMonroes.

driver100 · July 2019

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:
I'm glad my deck is bigger than Dirver100's, but I can't compete with jmonroe1.
On the other hand since Driver100 has a place in FL too, maybe he has 2 decks.
Not sure if one big deck trumps 2 smaller one's.
Simple answer is NO. Each deck is responsible for its own size. Next, he might want credit if his deck is higher than others. How about whose deck has more nails or screws regardless if it is overkill or not. :@

jmonroe

My deck is about 4 feet off the ground...so it sounds like mine is higher. Mine probably cost more because you probably built yours...mine was put together by the guy.
You can win the most screws contest.....engineers overbuild and are OCD about using as many screws as possible.

tjc78 · July 2019

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?

https://www.whatismyelevation.com/

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?

Topographic map. I’m at 230 above sea level.

qbrozen · July 2019

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/

wow. 269ft. I would have guessed way more.

cdnpinhead · July 2019

" I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?"

My GPS is my friend -- it tells me such things, among many others. Google maps -- not so much.

ab348 · July 2019

That site says I’m at 169 feet above. I would have thought it less as it is not hard to be at sea level here.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

Scotty sez:

https://youtu.be/HcS9aJoRNVY

Could we ad the new Corvette to this list?

roadburner · July 2019

Decisions, Decisions...
I had a bit of a financial windfall- totally unexpected. My bride says the money is all mine and to spend it any way I want.
So, one option is to install the M Performance differential and a mild tune on the 2 Series(and have quite a biy left over
or
Start looking for a replacement for the 2er.
I'm leaning towards the first option; there's almost nothing under $40k-new or used-that I think I'd like better. In the $45k range there is the Mustang Bullitt and a used M2 or M4, but that's about it.
Fortunately I have the luxury of being able to take my time deciding.

snakeweasel · July 2019

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/

that site puts me at 682 feet, the survey of our house from our builder puts it at 684 feet.

Michaell · July 2019

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/

I was close. 5974'

@cdnpinhead has me beat.

oldfarmer50 · July 2019

roadburner said:
Decisions, Decisions...
I had a bit of a financial windfall- totally unexpected. My bride says the money is all mine and to spend it any way I want.
So, one option is to install the M Performance differential and a mild tune on the 2 Series(and have quite a biy left over
or
Start looking for a replacement for the 2er.
I'm leaning towards the first option; there's almost nothing under $40k-new or used-that I think I'd like better. In the $45k range there is the Mustang Bullitt and a used M2 or M4, but that's about it.
Fortunately I have the luxury of being able to take my time deciding.

Well, the first thing to do is take your bride out to dinner and buy her some flowers. Then tell your Edmunds buddies what “the money” means. Or did I miss a post?

jmonroe1 · July 2019

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/
I was close. 5974'

@cdnpinhead has me beat.

Well, you and @cdnpinhead have me beat. I'm at 1165 but that's higher than what the other bragers have reported so far.

jmonroe

tjc78 · July 2019

I’m 72’

Definitely at the bottom, lol

sb55 · July 2019

That site says my laptop is now 141 above sea level. That seems pretty close, as I guessed that my house was about 50' above my waterfront. Lake Champlain is measured at feet above sea level, and is at 96.05 this morning. That's still above "normal" for this time of year, but it's been dropping steadily after the wet spring.

driver100 · July 2019

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:
Next, he might want credit if his deck is higher than others. How about whose deck has more nails or screws regardless if it is overkill or not. :@

jmonroe
If we're talking height, I win.

My house is about 5700' above sea level. :laughing:

Michaell, are you sure you want to get into this one?
No matter what you have, JMonroe will think his is bigger or better, or has stronger wood, or more cross beams, or larger foundation etc...........

driver100 · July 2019

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/

Not sure about that site - is that one that could start sending me ads.
I just google: "what is the elevation of NAME OF TOWN and STATE"
Here is mine:
Elevation: 227m / 745feet

driver100 · July 2019

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:

qbrozen said:
geesh. I have absolutely zero clue what my elevation is. How does one even find that out?
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/
I was close. 5974'

@cdnpinhead has me beat.

Yeh, but he only has:
" I have a tiny rear deck"

driver100 · July 2019

tjc78 said:
I’m 72’

Definitely at the bottom, lol

No, our Florida place is 49 ft.

stickguy · July 2019

I’m at the beach. I would guess 10’, max

sda · July 2019

stickguy said:
I’m at the beach. I would guess 10’, max

What beach are you vacationing? Hopefully good weather, good food and everyone is enjoying their time away.

stickguy · July 2019

Stone harbor NJ. been very nice.

tjc78 · July 2019

You've had a nice weather week. Heading to Diamond beach in the morning, hoping for same!

Forecast looks promising

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