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kyfdx · October 2019

stickguy said:
Ky, here is an option I had not thought of before. Small, good MPG, hatch and a stick. Should also last darned near forever. This one is even in my favorite color!

https://www.subaruofcherryhill.com/used/Scion/2004-Scion-xA-cherry-hill-nj-33c7c0790a0d0cc74e332a43ea80cfcc.htm

That would definitely work.

Seems a little pricey for a base model of that age/mileage, but it is at a new car dealer, so....

kyfdx · October 2019

nyccarguy said:

sda said:

nyccarguy said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:
Unless it is an emergency (replacing a wreck or some such) I don't understand why people don't spend more time test driving before deciding. Avoid a lot of mistakes that way, and besides, it is a whole lotta fun!
I see lots of folks shopping for numbers rather than a car. And, lots of folks pick cars based on the deal, only to regret it later.
The vehicles I’ve bought because I really wanted them and liked them on their merits have been the ones I’ve generally been the happiest with rather than the ones I’ve bought/leased at a price point.

My Saab, Prelude, 328xi, & Infiniti. My wife’s X3, and 2 Pilots.
I noticed the Subaru wasn’t on the list. I don’t recall the Saab. When did you have that?
The Subaru would be one of the cars on the list I didn't particularly enjoy that I bought at a price point. Nice car. Well built. Just slower than slow.

In December of 1999, I leased a 2000 Saab 9-3 for 3 years. Silver/Black Base Model with an Automatic. Loved everything about it. It was my 1st European car.

I didn't like my one Subaru, either

stickguy · October 2019

well, I was not saying the price was good, and that if of course just asking. Not the type of car you normally want to buy at a new car dealer either.

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

@qbrozen
Still in the hunt

Any auction values for 2018 Audi Q7 prestige 3.0 with 7k miles?

stickguy · October 2019

Got roped into taking "the girls" out winter coat shopping (and in a shocking twist, the wife actually found a winter and fall coat she liked at Lands end). The price was I got to stop at a couple dealers that we were going past. Just a brief attempt at a complaint, but did not last long! No drives, just some showroom sitting.

Got to see a Tiguan finally. Loaded SEL premium. MSRP over $39K. Ouch. Very nice, but failed the front seat comfort test. I found the cushion too short, and not enough tilt to make up for it. But the wife rejected it outright because the bolsters were too tight for her. So, that is out. Our daughter though loved it, and mentioned wanting to trade the Jetta for one once she gets a new job closer to home (next spring hopefully).

The main stop was Subaru. Conveniently, they had a nice limited XT sitting in the showroom. Cinnamon pearl. I really liked the color. She didn't. But good news, she liked the car OK (style) and really found the interior nice. I was impressed. Would be even better to be able to turn the giant iPad screen on! But the style, materials, and feature content was top notch. Great seats too, and I was hooked by the thigh extender. Out was perfect for me, in was perfect for the wife. big selling point. Lots of cargo room too, and back seat was huge. Had plenty of gadgets, including heated steering wheel and rear seats.

so, I think she might have been expecting to dismiss out of hand, but instead was agreeable to go back at some point to try one. The kid seems to think it is a long shot, but will have to see how the wife likes driving it, and using the tech. I would have her drive that back to back with an RDX to compare.

if it drives as nice as the 3.6 I drove last year, I could be sold!

laurasdada · October 2019

The boy who cried, "punch:" After work yesterday, drove to local Mazda dealer to look at a 2010 Mazda 3 Sport hatchback; Gun Metal Blue over black. ~86k miles It had been waxed, but a lot of residue left, making it look more scratched than I think it is, it'll have to be washed. Alloys somewhat road rashed, but Conti Extreme Contact DWS 06 tires with good tread; nice.

Sales dude introduced himself, non-commission, transparent, family owned dealership; high-volume turnover, gave me a bottle of water. Asked would I be trading the Jag, I said possibly for the 3 and a big bag of cash.... That I was looking for a second car, actually for my son the college junior. He asked did I want a test drive, at first I said, no, not in this miserable traffic, but he had a route... So:

Wow, how much fun that drive was! Car felt feather light, turned when I asked it too and did not stray from its line. 2.5 liter 4, nice get up and go, must be a nice power to weight ratio. Comfy cloth driver seat, seat cushion not too short. Everything I played with seemed to work. And, with windows up and radio off, road noise/wind wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. Asked for a crap road, which was on the tour, suspension well handled the craters. Wonder how the thing felt new!

Tomorrow the boy and I will go together, hopefully out before kickoff of the Pats game. Currently dealer is asking $7991, with two keys. But, $495 doc fee, 6.25% MA tax and $135 to title and register (and who knows if they'll try for other scam fees, VIN etching is only $200? I'll take two!). If we decide to throw an offer, I'm going to try for OTD $8k max, but would really see if I can push for $7500 OTD. So, any thoughts here?

If this one doesn't work, there are more to be had, significantly more sedans than HBs. If not a 3, I'm also going to look at '10-'12 Ford Fusions, Hyundai Sonatas, Subies (but expensive here in New England). He "needs" a car by EOM as his ride to/from work ends before Halloween.

Of course, he's a bit mad at me for not giving him the XF...

Keeping the ex informed as she'll be paying half, she asked can't you find something safe and reliable with closer to 50k miles for under $10k? Sure, a car that enjoyed some time hanging out with Katrina...

laurasdada · October 2019

Oh, yeah. After drive, there was a father/daughter looking at a black VW Golf Wagon/All track; 126k miles. I almost asked if he had a large net worth, joked about the 2 for 1 sale. He said great, we'll go 50/50 but I told him not my plan, he buys I get free. He smiled.

Daughter hops into the 3; I look at her and sternly say, "Get out of my car!" Sales dude called me this am, 3 is still available, hope other dad/daughter look elsewhere! Or, buy the VDub, they're customers of my dude, too.

corvette · October 2019

nyccarguy said:

The vehicles I’ve bought because I really wanted them and liked them on their merits have been the ones I’ve generally been the happiest with rather than the ones I’ve bought/leased at a price point.

My Saab, Prelude, 328xi, & Infiniti. My wife’s X3, and 2 Pilots.

That's telling... Are you sure you can hold out 24 months with the Tacoma?

mjfloyd1 said:

I put Michelin Premier on my wife’s GL350 - even with rotations every 5K miles they were toast at 14k miles. Michelin was very good standing up with their warranty though.

I've never claimed a tire warranty. I've never had a tire that I felt comfortable driving on once it got anywhere close to the wear bars.

corvette · October 2019

Local Spanish language newspaper had a Jeep dealer advertising $7,500 off new Gladiators. I'd have figured those were still selling close to MSRP!

nyccarguy · October 2019

corvette said:

nyccarguy said:

The vehicles I’ve bought because I really wanted them and liked them on their merits have been the ones I’ve generally been the happiest with rather than the ones I’ve bought/leased at a price point.

My Saab, Prelude, 328xi, & Infiniti. My wife’s X3, and 2 Pilots.
That's telling... Are you sure you can hold out 24 months with the Tacoma?
mjfloyd1 said:

I put Michelin Premier on my wife’s GL350 - even with rotations every 5K miles they were toast at 14k miles. Michelin was very good standing up with their warranty though.
I've never claimed a tire warranty. I've never had a tire that I felt comfortable driving on once it got anywhere close to the wear bars.

Definitely. I like the Tacoma. It’s a good truck. I will enjoy my time with it and make good use of it’s capabilities.

corvette · October 2019

nyccarguy said:
Definitely. I like the Tacoma. It’s a good truck. I will enjoy my time with it and make good use of it’s capabilities.

I rode in my friend's 4Runner and really liked it. I could see buying one like his--it was a 1 year old ex-rental and fairly priced.

suydam · October 2019

Put some gas in the Volt since we are going out of town tomorrow. Cost $13 and that’s in California where gas is now over $4 a gallon. First time we’ve put gas in it in 3 months.

Sandman6472 · October 2019

Have driven a few 4Runners at work and I always enjoy them. Sit a bit higher and just a fun rig to drive. Was a bit busy at work today as one guy called out, so started early and worked late but since it was Saturday, no big deal. A few customers were a bit assholic about waiting so long but there's a whole procedure the agents must go through, not really their choice. Found that many folks want an upgrade for nothing and aren't very fair when it comes to a survey which kinda stinks! So glad I don't have to deal with those folks because I'd have trouble holding my tongue as people lie so easily! Sometimes I just walk away when I hear some folks.
The Sirius/XM free upgrade has ended and folks are still bitching about it. Most won't pay for it but have had no issue getting it for free all these years. Must admit, I miss it to but just carry a lightning cord with me now and use my iPhone to listen to my tunes that way. It's still free on certain brand new vehicles for the first 3 months. Figure that my library has now 882 tunes in it and since I always shuffle them, never know what's coming up next.

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

@qbrozen

Also any idea of auction value for low mile (6k) premium plus 3.0 Audi Q7?

I see both 18 and 19 CPO Premium plus and prestige and am wondering what the auction delta in price is.

Thanks

qbrozen · October 2019

mjfloyd1 said:
@qbrozen
Still in the hunt

Any auction values for 2018 Audi Q7 prestige 3.0 with 7k miles?

About $52k

qbrozen · October 2019

mjfloyd1 said:
@qbrozen

Also any idea of auction value for low mile (6k) premium plus 3.0 Audi Q7?

I see both 18 and 19 CPO Premium plus and prestige and am wondering what the auction delta in price is.

Thanks

$44k vs $51k. Very big difference for some reason

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

Thanks.

Wow 7k more for prestige vs premium plus - I assume both 2018s?

I thought you had said $49k for 19 prestige 3.0 with 7500 miles when I initially asked? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly??

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

corvette said:

nyccarguy said:

The vehicles I’ve bought because I really wanted them and liked them on their merits have been the ones I’ve generally been the happiest with rather than the ones I’ve bought/leased at a price point.

My Saab, Prelude, 328xi, & Infiniti. My wife’s X3, and 2 Pilots.
That's telling... Are you sure you can hold out 24 months with the Tacoma?
mjfloyd1 said:

I put Michelin Premier on my wife’s GL350 - even with rotations every 5K miles they were toast at 14k miles. Michelin was very good standing up with their warranty though.
I've never claimed a tire warranty. I've never had a tire that I felt comfortable driving on once it got anywhere close to the wear bars.

Local family owned tire shop. Really good guys. Representative from Michelin called me and it was really odd. She made an offer of 90% of wholesale value. I did not realize that it was bartering and said it was fine. She asked if I realized that I could ask for more and we settled at 95%.

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:
@qbrozen

Any idea of auction value on 2019 Audi Q7 prestige with 7500 miles?

Local dealer has CPO available and wife has the itch to get rid of MB gl350
Assuming it is the V6 model, it would around that $48k-$49k range.

This is what I recalled. Maybe that was for the 4 cylinder??

kyfdx · October 2019

mjfloyd1 said:

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:
@qbrozen

Any idea of auction value on 2019 Audi Q7 prestige with 7500 miles?

Local dealer has CPO available and wife has the itch to get rid of MB gl350
Assuming it is the V6 model, it would around that $48k-$49k range.
This is what I recalled. Maybe that was for the 4 cylinder??

I think the Prestige only comes with the 3.0 engine.

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

Ahh maybe premium plus 2019 then??

qbrozen · October 2019

Ok, had to backtrack. Those numbers are all correct; HOWEVER, upon closer inspection, most of the 2019 Prestige examples have very poor condition reports. Odd but true. So not an accurate assessment for a clean one. Probably more like $54k-$55k for a clean low-mileage 2019 Prestige. Maybe. Possibly. Not enough examples to make a totally fair estimate.

qbrozen · October 2019

mjfloyd1 said:
Thanks.

Wow 7k more for prestige vs premium plus - I assume both 2018s?

I thought you had said $49k for 19 prestige 3.0 with 7500 miles when I initially asked? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly??

Oh, and that 44 vs 51 was for 18 vs 19 PP v6.

The ‘18 PP is the obvious bargain of these 4 choices. No clue why it is so much lower than the others, but it is what it is.

corvette · October 2019

mjfloyd1 said:
Local family owned tire shop. Really good guys. Representative from Michelin called me and it was really odd. She made an offer of 90% of wholesale value. I did not realize that it was bartering and said it was fine. She asked if I realized that I could ask for more and we settled at 95%.

Interesting! Glad they took care of you. I think European makes tend to wear out tires faster due to heavier curb weight and also their alignment settings, which are usually tuned to prioritize road feel and making the car feel planted vs. making the tires last as long as possible.

mjfloyd1 · October 2019

qbrozen said:

mjfloyd1 said:
Thanks.

Wow 7k more for prestige vs premium plus - I assume both 2018s?

I thought you had said $49k for 19 prestige 3.0 with 7500 miles when I initially asked? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly??
Oh, and that 44 vs 51 was for 18 vs 19 PP v6.

The ‘18 PP is the obvious bargain of these 4 choices. No clue why it is so much lower than the others, but it is what it is.

Thank you.

I do see a CPO 18 prestige with 6.5k miles for 53k

Only reasonable priced 18 PP is 5k miles for 50k non CPO (I think)

28firefighter · October 2019

Put the Viggen up for sale today. It depresses me to do it, but I found out my parking arrangement is going to be going away and doing car Tetris isn’t going to fly at home. If I can’t get a minimum number, I’ll keep it and work to find somewhere to store it, but first attempt will be sale.

Michaell · October 2019

28firefighter said:
Put the Viggen up for sale today. It depresses me to do it, but I found out my parking arrangement is going to be going away and doing car Tetris isn’t going to fly at home. If I can’t get a minimum number, I’ll keep it and work to find somewhere to store it, but first attempt will be sale.

Do you have a link to the ad?

28firefighter · October 2019

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/seattle-2002-saab-9-3-viggen-5d/6993922055.html

sda · October 2019

28firefighter said:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/seattle-2002-saab-9-3-viggen-5d/6993922055.html

Still a very sharp car. I hope you find the right buyer.

28firefighter · October 2019

Me too. I’m secretly hoping no one wants it so I don’t need to let it go.

stickguy · October 2019

seems like something that might work for BaT?

stickguy · October 2019

Nice quality add BTW. much better than the usual CL 2 blurry pictures taken at night, in a garage, on a cell phone. And 3 lines of misspelled gibberish.

28firefighter · October 2019

I thought about BaT but I don’t think the condition warrants it. It’s rough around the edges for sure.

Michaell · October 2019

28firefighter said:
I thought about BaT but I don’t think the condition warrants it. It’s rough around the edges for sure.

So nice...

stickguy · October 2019

I did read the ad after I posted that. But, they do have some listings that are like that. If nothing else, gives them some lower cost units to list. Plus it certainly qualifies as a unique piece!

I suppose you won't know unless you submit it to them.

ab348 · October 2019

stickguy said:
seems like something that might work for BaT?

I thought the exact same thing. It is somewhat unique and they like that.

28firefighter · October 2019

A Seattle fleet if I’ve ever seen one. Both got much needed baths.

corvette · October 2019

Good luck with the sale, @28firefighter ! Sorry you lost your storage space and it sounds like the time with the Viggen came to an end before you were ready.

stickguy · October 2019

it was a good run. you have the memories, and at some point, will be ready to hunt for the next oddball toy!

jpp75 · October 2019

28firefighter said:
Me too. I’m secretly hoping no one wants it so I don’t need to let it go.

I just told @Michaell and @breld that I'd buy it if I didn't have the C30.

28firefighter · October 2019

Rule #1 - Don’t sell cars to family.

Rule #2 - Don’t sell cars to friends.

Your C30 is a whole different beast!

Michaell · October 2019

A little help for a poster trying to exit a lease early:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/53389/lincoln/navigator/2019-lincoln-navigator-and-navigator-l-lease-deals-and-prices#latest

(be gentle; I think there are no good answers here)

28firefighter · October 2019

Agh. I should have posted a crummy ad or asked for more money. I’m getting a decent amount of interest from Saab enthusiasts.

28firefighter · October 2019

corvette said:
Good luck with the sale, @28firefighter ! Sorry you lost your storage space and it sounds like the time with the Viggen came to an end before you were ready.

It’s for the best. The garage it’s normally parked in was broken into this weekend and several cars broken into and/or seriously damaged. I expect the Saab would’ve been low hanging fruit.

If I’m able to get $7k for it, it’ll have cost me $110/month to drive before insurance and fuel. Not too bad at all.

stickguy · October 2019

Are SAAB nuts real tightwads like the Volvo crowd?

qbrozen · October 2019

stickguy said:
Are SAAB nuts real tightwads like the Volvo crowd?

Never heard of either being described as such.

tjc78 · October 2019

Good Luck (or maybe not, lol). Nice honest ad!

nyccarguy · October 2019

28firefighter said:
Agh. I should have posted a crummy ad or asked for more money. I’m getting a decent amount of interest from Saab enthusiasts.

What kind of craig's list ad is that? Have you learned nothing? It is supposed to end with "nO tRaDez! nO lOw Ballz! I kNoZ wUt I gOtZ!"

marcogallo1986 · October 2019

@ New York car guy, I’m glad your wife found a job, even if it’s not 100% what she wants I’m very happy.

marcogallo1986 · October 2019

@ Sandman, I’m glad your job is getting a loan of 2020 models in, and you enjoy driving so much. It’s one job I wish I could do I’d be in heaven ha ha Ha. People are crazy and a lot more honest unfortunately the things they do with rental cars and just every day life sad sad sad. On the discrimination that’s hard to prove even with me I’ve been applying for jobs I dealers free ever not gonna give up it’s a dream of mine. But keep at it God has a plan for us all.

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