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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You can use it to pay for service or accessories.

    Heck, the Fitzgerald Subaru body shop even accepted $300 Subaru Bucks.
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    At the Head of the Lakes, we only got several dustings of snow during January. And we have had -50 degrees wind chills. Bummer!

    MNSteve
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Hey Steve - had a snorkel attached to the goggles today LOL - we were fighting waist deep on the faces - more in the forecast!

    At this point, a day off from the dumps would be good - but it is extending the season!

    Come up here & ride - I have a couple freebies to give!

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    11" here today Paul. I rode the powder all day - and I barely got off the bunny hill with my company, LOL. I am beat - but the two 28 year olds visiting us went to bed an hour ago.

    My ski tuner friend got first tracks in waist deep pow on one of the double blacks and he was psyched. There were rumors of a few chest deeps spots in the Nugget Bowls. Amazing stuff out there today. Too deep for me!

    And there were two guys who reportedly went straight to the top on first chair and got bogged in the waist deep stuff in the trees. They managed to hike out to the lift in only 90 minutes. :P
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    I could get used to these 'work weeks' .. I took a personal business day on Monday in order to get people back to the airport after the wedding, then we had a weather day on Wednesday, and now another one today ..

    Working on only Tuesday and Thursday is not so bad ..
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    schools closed for the bitter cold Wednesday here too, though DW & I still had to go to work...and schools are closed today due to the snow (which is still coming down, probably 7" at least so far)...though today both of our workplaces delayed opening for 2 hours

    -Brian
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    I wouldn't know what to do in deep powder after skiing in the midwest for many years. It has been 15 years since I skied in powder at Big Mountain, MT. Since retiring, the wife and I have become fair weather skiers. Have to have above 15 degrees temps, sunny skies and groomed snow. Plus we don't "do" holidays or weekends - too many "crazed" young skiers/riders. :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What is this stuff you call "powder"?

    Here in the Mid-Atlantic we ski on a combination of ice and slush. :D

    Boy, I called a ski conditions line one time, because we were right at the snow/rain line, and it said conditions were great, there was 20" of packed powder, yadda yadda.

    So we drove up, about 90 minutes. Got there, it was pouring rain, and lift ticket sales were actually closed. I was so miffed.

    Get this - I called, just for kicks, and the conditions hotline still said it was great skiing, packed powder, etc. I wonder if they recorded that after the blizzard of 93 and just left that recording on there. :mad:
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hey I just read the Inside Line review of the 2008 Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel. Sounds very promising and 60 mpg is awesome!

    -Frank

    P.S. I'm sure there's a topic already open on this in the Legacy forum but it's hard enough just trying to keep up with my current bookmarked topics :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think that was imperial gallons, but someone said it works out to about 48mpg, still amazing.

    Remember, though, it doens't meet CARB standards, and some states in the NE use those same emissions rules. That means Subaru could not sell it where they are most popular - New England.

    They need to add a $1500 particulate filter first, then certify it in Cali. Give em a couple of years and they'll adapt it for the US.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Took the hill crew til 1:30 to dig out the north face chair, but then the mass exodus occurred - waist deep all the way down! I was the 'no, it's not open yet' bad cop at the top, but then I was the 'good cop' when they said 'let them come!"

    6 feet in the last week... gonna be a madhouse this weekend!

    On-topic disclainer: these cars are astounding in snow!

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Remember, though, it doens't meet CARB standards, and some states in the NE use those same emissions rules. That means Subaru could not sell it where they are most popular - New England.

    Add another CARB state in NY (the second largest auto market) and that OR and WA (two more Subie marketus gigantus) are going CARB, then you've eliminated perhaps 50% of the Subie market...
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Hey sounds like fun! I heard mission ridge is a nice place to go skiiing, never had the chance to go there. Is it crowded?

    We're planning on going down to Mt Hood in a few weeks- I hope the skiiing is still good then!

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What about VT? Did they adopt the CARB standards?
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Well, I finally got to taking some pics.. it was a cloudy day but nonetheless, she still sexy :)

    Let me know if you can see them.... just loaded my first album, lol!!!

    http://www.carspace.com/bigelm/Albums/MS6%20Reborn
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Got 'em. That carbon fiber hood and grille looks really nice.

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    What about VT? Did they adopt the CARB standards?

    IIRC, it's MA, CT, ME, VT, RI, NY, NJ.
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    CARB standards have been adopted in basically all of Subaru's "core" markets.

    http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/AIRWASTE/AQ/cars/docs/Motorist_FAQ.doc

    Q. What other states, besides California, require new vehicles to meet California emissions standards?
    A. Besides California, the states of Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, Washington and Oregon require California certified vehicles. New Jersey will require them beginning in Model Year 2009, and Maryland will require them beginning in model year 2011.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    8" today and I have to take the company up to Bogus again tomorrow - I've warned them that there will be lines tomorrow (9,600 people was the biggest day so far this season, and I bet tomorrow will easily top 10k).

    The '97 Outback is doing the hill run nicely, but there's a Subaru security system in it and it was popping the siren at the hill once I found a place to park and pulled the key out. Couldn't get it to turn off. I got the company started sliding on the boards and went back and it was still popping the siren and irritating the people at the top of the tubing hill where I parked.

    I wound up getting the Leatherman out of the cubby and cut the alarm box out from under the dash, unscrewed the lid and flipped all the dip switches around and pulled the two fuses. That finally got it to shut up. When we left six hours later, the car battery was fine but the fob doesn't work anymore and I have to push the secret button to bypass the immobilizer so the car will crank.

    I'm not sure whether the battery in the fob is so weak that it wasn't disabling/enabling the alarm properly of if I have some ice packed underneath somewhere that's setting off the shock sensor somehow. I hope I can figure out the dip switches enough to permanently disable the alarm part and still use the fob to unlock the doors.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Just catching up with all the posts.

    Brenda - congrats on the wedding and great news on your MIL. It's nice hearing good things.

    There has been no snow in the NYC area, except for a dusting today. The most snow we saw was on the 48hrs run this past weekend, but even there it was snow already on the ground. Instead we had plenty of rain :cry: .

    On a different note: a few of us at the 48hrs run threw out the idea of doing a summer "run" to the plant in Lafayette. It would be nice to get some of the Edmunds crowd on this, if anyone is interested.

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Since MD is hopping on the bandwagon, hopefully we'll see the PZEV model Subarus sold here.

    For the diesel, they'll have to meet CARB standards to even have a prayer in the US.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Brenda, I haven't been on much lately, glad to see after perusing the posts that your MIL. is recovering a postitive attitude usually guarantees a good outcome. Seems like she is a bit of a curmudgeon, but sure there is nothing wrong with that. :D
    Glad to hear the wedding went well too.

    Cheers Pat.
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Thanks Bob....

    Surgery is Wednesday.... Getting myself ready (I guess) :-\
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    ewww ... surgery ... ewwww ... even when it's needed ... you know we'll be thinking of you ..
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Good luck Elm!

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    thanks you guys .. for all the good messages about all the "schtuff" in our lives this month ... you all have your own "schtuff" and worries .. many larger than mine!

    our weather has been just ... strange .. we swing from 50's to 20's and lower and higher .. lol .. usually within just a few hours ..

    this morning we have had DENSE FOG so we ended up with a 2-hour delay of school ... I could get to like these kinds of mornings .. and we don't have to make up the delay!!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    Dense fog here this morning as well. The folks around here call it "ice fog," as it is a result of water vapor from exhaust (vehicles, flues) freezing in tiny particles in the air. I call it "ice smog" since it is a phenomenon limited to the low-lying urban areas. Minus 45F and holding. It was an awesome day to drive to work, though I do not mean that in a positive way. ;)

    It was -40F yesterday morning, and I saw a few high-school age children standing at their bus stops. How's that for dedicated? :P
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hey Wes- I've been to Fairbanks in the middle of the winter (day-time highs in the minus 20F range) and those temperature inversions can lead to some nasty smog. Does everybody still plug their car in wherever they go?

    -Frank
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    If they are smart they do! Stops less than 90 minutes do not require plugging in at these temperatures, but there are a lot of cold-weather wimps around here that just leave their vehicles idling so the interior is warm when they enter. It is quite sad, really, but do not get me going on that.

    I have the outlet at my house set up on a timer so my car receives about two hours of heating before I start it in the mornings. I give it about 30 seconds of warm up before I head down the road and it is blowing warm air within 3-4 miles. At these temperatures, I even appreciate the seat heater, but I still turn it off once the cabin air starts to warm. Those things burn my rear. :D

    I would take -45F ambient temperatures any day over far warmer temperatures with a wind chill...
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We get heat in less than 2 miles. Then again it's not nearly as cold!
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    cold-weather wimps around here that just leave their vehicles idling so the interior is warm when they enter

    Yeah and they're too clueless (or worse, indifferent) to realize all that idling is a major contributor to your smog :sick:

    We had a front blow thru Arizona on Sunday. The northern part of the state had temps around 20F but with wind gusts over 50mph. BRRRR!!!!

    -Frank
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I wanted to take this opportunity to thank SOA publically and open some eyes to folks not in tune with just how dedicated they are to their owners. As many of you know I've run a Subaru Charity Drive every year for the past 7 years, starting in 2002 after 9/11 and continueing on to this past weekend. This event is a driving event over the course of a 2 or 3 day weekend that is about 900-1500 miles where we tour the NY/NJ/PA area and meet up with folks who are also Subaru fans in the various locations, at the same time we have a nice drive through the winter countryside. The first year we raised about $1500 and had about 7 cars on the trip. Since then we have started to support the American Cancer Society and with each increasing year we have upped our goal amount by $1000 each year.

    Last year Patti helped me put together a tour of SOA that we arranged about 2 days before the trip so the folks on the trip could see where the SOA headquarters are etc.

    This year with more planning SOA rolled out the red carpet for us. We setup Cherry Hill and SOA as our kickoff location. They had a catered breakfast for us in the cafeteria, tents setup outside (it was pouring rain) where we were able to get an up-close and personal look at the STi, 09 Forester, and a yet to be released Blitzen Red Spec B. Inside the Senior Management Team of the CEO, CFO, VP of Sales, and just about everyone else who is anyone at SOA held a reception and chatted with the group for 30-45 minutes. They also gave us tons and tons of Subaru Swag!

    I spoke with the CEO for 30+ minutes where we discussed the previous trips, current models, future models, hybrids, etc. You name, HE asked me what I felt the Subaru community wanted and needed. I was beside myself that the Senior Management Team had time to meet up with a bunch of Subie nuts who thought that driving 900+ miles in the rain and snow in their subies was "fun"! I also explained to him that the folks there and a lot of Subaru folks, are multi-car owners and that if the CEO were to drive the Subaru bus off the bridge, we'd be in the back of the bus! I have to say that if a group of (Insert any other Car Brand here) were to show up on their manufacturer's door, I highly doubt that the Senior Management Team would spend 30+ minutes chatting with them. Would GM have such a warm welcome to a vette club? Doubtful. This shows their dedication to us, their consumers above and beyond that of any other car maker.

    They also by the end of the morning decided that SOA would match Dollar for Dollar the amount we raise with no limit! So if we get to our goal of $7k, the ACS will get a whoping $14k in donations! SOA also extended their VIP program to all the participants who were part of the event. That's 2% under invoice + any incentives available to the general public.

    I'm pretty much beside myself as to how much they really got into it. The CEO also sent an e-mail out after we left apparently saying that next year he wants the whole front of the lot blocked off for us instead of the back of the parking lot!

    The rest of the trip was also amazingly smooth, trying to keep 30 cars together for over 900 miles of driving wasn't easy but we pulled it off. We also met tons and tons of other Subie drivers as we travelled around who want to join next year. The Raffle and Banquet dinner on Saturday night in Lake George also went off great and everyone of the 60+ people there walked away with a prize!

    SDC (Subaru Distributors Corp) the distribution company for NY/NJ/PA also deserves a lot of credit for donating a ton of prizes as well. Remote Controlled Subaru race cars, mugs, pens, you name it.

    Just wanted to share with my friends here on Edmunds. Check out the pics on http://48hrs.info as well.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Thanks for sharing mike!

    Makes me glad to be a Subie owner.

    Jim
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wow, congrats mike, on putting together another successful trip.

    This is a little grass-roots event and isn't so little any more. Kudos. :shades:

    I guess I have to get in gear and make it up one of these years.
  • caliberchiccaliberchic Member Posts: 402
    That's amazing! :D
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    In the next week or 2 we will have the dates set for next year's event. I e-mailed the CEO and VP of Sales thank you letters last night, and both of them e-mailed me back today thanking me with personal e-mails. I am amazed that the CEO wrote his own e-mail to me, instead of a secretary! (It was in broken english and not a canned "thank you" e-mail)

    Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling :)

    I have to say this is one of the things that "Make's Subaru a Subaru"

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Wow, that's cool Mike. I'm glad that SOA came out and helped so much. I hoped they listened to any suggestions you gave them too!

    tom
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    Yeah and they're too clueless (or worse, indifferent) to realize all that idling is a major contributor to your smog

    Well, what is worse than that (or maybe better, depending on the perspective) is how many people rely strictly on the availability of a warmed space to keep them from freezing. They either warm up their cars for 30+ minutes in the morning or garage them, then hop in with office clothes, a light jacket, and thin gloves on their bodies and no backup. They are relying entirely upon safe delivery to their intended destination to provide them with yet another warm space.

    Should those people have a crash, breakdown, or other malady that prevents them from having a warmed space, they could be frost-bitten in 5-10 minutes and dead within 30 unless a passerby stops to help them. Seems like quite a risk to me. Starting off in a cold car not only saves fuel, but also serves as a brisk reminder that it really is quite cold and one should respect that. ;)

    Wind gusts like that from a cold front chill to the bone. Growing up in eastern Oregon, it was nearly always windy to some degree. On blustery days, it did not matter what one wore, that wind hits and the shivering starts. :D

    I remember one holiday break, maybe in 1998, it was -20 in Fairbanks when I boarded a flight to Oregon. I arrived to temperatures in the high 40s, which was scorching hot! The second night I was there the wind picked up to about 30-40 mph with slightly stronger gusts. It felt so warm to me that I went out on the back porch in my PJs, spread my arms out, and just soaked up the warmth of it for about 20 minutes. Man, that was fantastic. I love those simple, refreshing memories.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's nuts!

    I'm from Brazil, I have thin blood. 50 feels cold to me. I like about 70-80. Not too humid, though.

    Give me the tropics! Even when it was hot we had a nice breeze coming off the ocean. And it wasn't humid the way it is here. :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    Indeed, it is quite cool. We should get some sort of crazy event like that in the north. Maybe a "converge on Liard Hot Springs" weekend or something and organize two simultaneous mobs of Subie owners; one from the northwest and one from the south. Okay, so it would be more like a week than a weekend, but distance is relative. :P

    Congrats, Mike, and thank you for the effort!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    From your posts, it seems like you have spent a good chunk of your life along the eastern seaboard, so I would think you to be more acclimated to the temperature extremes. Your ideal temperature sounds good to me, though I might drop it 10 degrees (60-70). I cannot handle hot, though.

    I remember one day in 1992, when I was 14, the temperature was 112F and I spent the day driving a diesel Kubota tractor mowing lawns at my school. It was so hot that it was all I could do to concentrate on keeping the tractor going true. I would take a break every 20-30 minutes and drink a 1/2 gallon of water in the shade. After 10 hours of that, I headed home, went down to the basement, and took a long nap on the cold concrete floor.

    When I was at West Point in '95, there were a few straight days of mid-90s temps with 100% humidity and no wind. We were doing rifle marksmanship during those days and we would break into heavy sweats just thinking about exercise. It sure made shooting tough with sweat rolling off the brow! I remember hearing about many deaths in New York (city) and Chicago attributed to the heat. I imagine with all the buildings (concrete, blacktop, reflective windows), it can get quite hot in the cities.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You're right (about me getting acclimated), actually, I tend to feel hot when I'm in Brazil.

    Of course it doesn't help that I go there mid-summer (for the Southern hemisphere).

    We're changing the strategy and going this July instead, this time around, their "winter". More like rainy season, actually. Still warm, 70+ temps.

    My brother wears a jacket when it's below 75! :D
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Strom front moving in so it will be a good night to cozy up to the warm glow of the monitor for the Crew Chat.

    And this week there will be no SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS nor is there any truth to the rumor that I HIT THE POWERBALL JACKPOT and WILL SHARE IT WITH ALL CHAT ATTENDEES :P

    Other than that,we'll have our usual good time. Hope you can make it!!
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    First off, I would like to congratulate Mike on a superb job of raising money for charity (and a worthwhile one at that) while having fun. Hopefully, we will be able to join you in the future, maybe even for the next one.

    We finally sold our house last month; the best news of all...no agent, no commission, and we got our asking price. We are renting the house back for this month and possibly next while we pack up.

    We just returned from 4 days in Chicago. Michael's drummer had an audition at Elmhurst College and asked Michael to accompany him. We took the opportunity to do the tour of Columbia College's studios and recording facilities, programs, dorms etc. Pretty good place, and the facilities were pretty much on par with Berklee College of Music's facilities. Chicago is a pretty cool (and cold...-3 degrees Sunday morning) ...lots of culture and architecture, good pizza. We stayed at the Hilton on Grant Park. It reminded me of the Waldorf-Astoria, one of our favorite hotels.
    I saw my old friend (known him since 1962) and spent a nice day at the Chicago Auto Show...some nice cars and concepts there, and I finally got to sit in an STI. The seats were not as bad as I thought, but not as good as the seats in my WRX (2002). They had a red one with silver BBS...pretty comfortable in the back also.

    In March, Michael auditions for Berklee, and in April, we go up to UMass Lowell for the audition and campus tour. What an exciting time for all of us...

    Serge

    P.S. Michael passed his driving permit test, but has to wait to be cleared by Pennsylvania after last summer's "incident".
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,732
    Congrats, Serge! Sounds like things are taking a turn for the better for both of you, and I hope they continue that way.

    -------

    On an unrelated note, the sale of the '08 Outback went through on Friday and the car was delivered to the new owner on Saturday night. It is bronze/gold with the taupe interior. She sent me an email today saying how utterly delighted she is with the car. She was shocked that with 7500 miles and having driven it up from the lower 48 with a family of 4 and a full load, it could still look like it was new from the dealer.

    In the end, we sold it for less and it took longer than we had originally anticipated, but that is no surprise considering the current state of the economy. Owning it for 4 months was still more fun and less expensive than the three airline tickets from Oregon to Fairbanks would have been. :P

    I do wish I could have sold it in November though. I was beginning to grow attached to it. Looks like she got it just in time. :D My wife said that with the next one, she will entertain no excuses. We are keeping it, end of story. I think we will look again in 2011/12 if all goes well.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    + 1. Way to go Serge. :)

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Great to hear about the house Serge!

    Looking forward to having you next year on the trip. One of these years we may get Juice and/or Bob to come too! :)

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    you guys are going to just start skipping my posts when you see my name .. I'm so upbeat and cheery lately ...

    so husband's mother went home from the hospital last Wednesday and is getting along fine it seems ...

    my dad called me tonight and my mother has been having problems since last Thursday and yesterday went into the hospital ...

    symptoms include ... falling to her knees last Thursday morning when she went out to get the paper ... her knees just "gave way" .. this happened again on Thursday night late ... on Friday sshe saw her doctor and her blood pressure and pulse were way up .. he gave her meds for that ... during that day she was only moving from her bed to a portable potty chair in her bedroom ... she ended up falling in her room early Saturday morning and he had to call EMTs to help get her back in bed ... FINALLY on Monday morning he had EMTs take her to hospital ... they spent all day doing tests and have found nothing ... more tests today ...

    they were not going to admit her last night as they are full of 'flu patients' and she was not 'critical' ... they finally found her a room ...

    she seems to be gradually losing strength in all limbs and is also in pain ... they finally gave her meds for the pain and she is resting...

    at least that's what I got from my dad's rambling account of events over the last 5 days ... so keep us in your thoughts that they'll find out what it is and be able to help her!

    Thanks guys
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Well I figure I update you guys on the surgery... It went very well, better than what the surgeon had anticipated. Turns out he found some fray tissue and no labral tear. Still have my arm in a sling until I see him on Thursday.

    Thanks all for your well wishes and prayers... I can't wait to get back into the swing of things - though it's not looking too good for the lady's insurance co. ;)
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Brenda- are we ever going to make it a week without some bad news from you? ;) Here's hoping they find out what's wrong with your mother and can fix it.

    Elmer- Good to hear that your shoulder wasn't as bad as you thought. Now you can get back to working on that business plan :)

    -Frank
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