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oldfarmer50 · April 2020

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.

Last time I saw the figures they were at $28,800 and rejected your $28,300 because it was stealing. Did they call you back and accept your $28,300 or did you bring a gun to the store? How did you go all in?

We need clarification, we’ve got a lot invested emotionally here.

jipster · April 2020

28firefighter said:
Sounds like a decent deal for the warranty if you plan to keep it that long. I’ve never held a car longer than 3 years so...

I can see us keeping this car for at least 145,000 miles. The warranty is transferable,.so that would be a good selling point should we decide to sell at that time.

explorerx4 · April 2020

Congrats on the purchase jipster!
Many warranties can be terminated, prorated based on months/mileage plus a fee.

benjaminh · April 2020

@jipster : Many congratulations! Well done. Excellent choice imho.

I got extended warranties on 3 of our Honda Accords that we kept long-term—and we never used any of the warranties even once. But two of the Accords we sold at about 90k miles, and one at only c. 50k. For my 4th Accord, for my TLX, and for my wife's CR-V we skipped the extended warranties. At the moment we're thinking we might keep our 2018 CR-V and 2018 TLX for several years, but whether we might keep them to 150k—or even beyond—is something I can't even guess at right at this moment. After all, I'm at least somewhat a member of the CCBA.

Again, congratulations—and all best wishes. I think you got a really good car at a really good price. And at the same time you did your bit to keep the economy going by giving some local people a bit of a payday. As the Aussie's would say—"Good on ya."

stickguy · April 2020

that is a lot of miles on an extended warranty. so that adds a lot of value. Not so much with ones that only go up to say 7/90,000.

jipster · April 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.
Last time I saw the figures they were at $28,800 and rejected your $28,300 because it was stealing. Did they call you back and accept your $28,300 or did you bring a gun to the store? How did you go all in?

We need clarification, we’ve got a lot invested emotionally here.

The dealership was originally at $28,850/OTD. I was at $27,500. I countered with $28,000. They came back at $28,500. I said no to $28,500 and walked. Basically I called this morning and raised my offer $300, to $28,300. Mentally I was "all in". Wouldn't go any higher. They accepted $28,300.

I got the all weather floor mats and trunk mat included. So, no need for a plastic Glad bag in the trunk when we go to Florida.

Hope this restores your emotional clarity. ;-)

driver100 · April 2020

Jip...I think the Accord is the car to buy in that segment....best combination of style, performance, practicality but still fun to drive.
Warranties..........I seldom come out ahead. It is a gamble. It is kind of like expensive insurance, you pay quite a bit for repairs which probably never come close to the cost of the insurance. And, things change before you get there, you need a different car, you don't drive as much, an accident......etc.
You only win if you have a few major repairs....and if that happens, you would probably want to get rid of the car.
So, IMO.....I wouldn't buy it, but, it is really a gamble whether it will be worth it.

Happy motoring, enjoy the new ride.........the Accord hits the sweet spot in that market.

abacomike · April 2020

jipster said:

28firefighter said:
Sounds like a decent deal for the warranty if you plan to keep it that long. I’ve never held a car longer than 3 years so...
I can see us keeping this car for at least 145,000 miles. The warranty is transferable,.so that would be a good selling point should we decide to sell at that time.

My daughter drives a 2012 Honda Accord Coupe she bought new. Has over 140,000 miles on it and still drives great. The reason is because she takes care of it - oil changes, major maintenance intervals, etc.

jipster · April 2020

explorerx4 said:
Congrats on the purchase jipster!
Many warranties can be terminated, prorated based on months/mileage plus a fee.

Yeah, finance guy said if car was totalled (knock on wood it never will be) the warranty would be prorated. He didn't say anything about cancelling it otherwise, prorated. So, I'll check into that.. Thx.

jipster · April 2020

benjaminh said:
@jipster : Many congratulations! Well done. Excellent choice imho.

I got extended warranties on 3 of our Honda Accords that we kept long-term—and we never used any of the warranties even once. But two of the Accords we sold at about 90k miles, and one at only c. 50k. For my 4th Accord, for my TLX, and for my wife's CR-V we skipped the extended warranties. At the moment we're thinking we might keep our 2018 CR-V and 2018 TLX for several years, but whether we might keep them to 150k—or even beyond—is something I can't even guess at right at this moment. After all, I'm at least somewhat a member of the CCBA.

Again, congratulations—and all best wishes. I think you got a really good car at a really good price. And at the same time you did your bit to keep the economy going by giving some local people a bit of a payday. As the Aussie's would say—"Good on ya."

Thanks for all your help.

We are "peace of mind" people. So we're 50-50 on keeping the warranty.
The turbo engine is a bit of a concern, based on some things I've read on small displacement turbo engines....cue Scotty. But, I trust Honda engines. CVT? Don't know. We may or may not get a whole lot of benefit in the 150,000 miles, as the powertrain warranty already goes to 100,000 miles. But, my wife really likes the warranty. And we know how that usually goes. So, again... thank ya mate.

stickguy · April 2020

it is only about $28/month for the length of the loan, then you have the warranty free and clear. So not a big deal for the peace of mind.

benjaminh · April 2020

I have confidence that your Honda 1.5 turbo and CVT (as well as our 1.5T/CVT in our CR-V) will last with meticulous maintenance to at least 120,000 miles without repairs, and probably they'll go to 150k. But peace of mind can be a good thing. If your wife likes it, I'd say at this point just go ahead and keep it. You're done imho! And now you can start enjoying the car. And tomorrow, or maybe the next day, maybe we can try to talk you through learning AndroidAuto or Apple CarPlay.

PS I'm glad you went for the EX-L. The EX is a very nice car, but EXL makes it luxurious. That EXL stereo is great!

stickguy · April 2020

definitely go back and take advantage of the concierge service, unless you are a real techie. They will pair the phones, set up carplay, and show you how everything works. You can figure a lot out from the manual, but having someone guide you through can really make it easier.

and man, it does not sound like your state is doing much social distancing, considering how much time you were spending at car dealers! In NJ would have had to do all this virtually, and had a contactless delivery of some sort. No way would a specialist get in the car with you to show you stuff. Maybe stand 6' away and yell instructions? Or facetime in.

stickguy · April 2020

I 2nd the sentiment on getting the EXL. LT it will be worth it.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:
Well guys....good news....they accepted my offer of $28,300!!
Told you guys the ole jipster wouldn't let you down.

I strategized that saying let's "split the difference" may be too cliche . So, I went all in to get the deal done. Barring some unforeseen tricky sneaky stuff at the dealership, should have my new Accord EX-L home and in my driveway in a couple of hours. Bad news is I have to clean out the garage.
Last time I saw the figures they were at $28,800 and rejected your $28,300 because it was stealing. Did they call you back and accept your $28,300 or did you bring a gun to the store? How did you go all in?

We need clarification, we’ve got a lot invested emotionally here.
The dealership was originally at $28,850/OTD. I was at $27,500. I countered with $28,000. They came back at $28,500. I said no to $28,500 and walked. Basically I called this morning and raised my offer $300, to $28,300. Mentally I was "all in". Wouldn't go any higher. They accepted $28,300.

I got the all weather floor mats and trunk mat included. So, no need for a plastic Glad bag in the trunk when we go to Florida.

Hope this restores your emotional clarity. ;-)

Thank you, I was in for a sleepless night. So you proved that even when you were stealing there was some meat left on the bone. Good job.

jipster · April 2020

Well, who was it that suggested the Accord? Whoever it was gets a full year of "likes".

Yes, the Accord really hit that sweet spot between comfort and driveability. And that stereo....like Aerosmith was in my back seat.

I can't recall the details when our finance guy was discussing this, my mind was elsewhere, but he was talking about a maintenance plan. Said if we were going to get our cars serviced at Honda, and we well, then it will save us a lot of money to get a maintenance plan. Was around $700. Can't recall what was
included in terms of years, number oil changes,etc.What's the general consensus on maintenance
plans?

We have 3 years of complimentary maintenance already on our certified car purchase. That includes 5 oil changes, 3 tire rotations, maybe an air filter or two.

stickguy · April 2020

pass on it IMO. especially since you have 3 years already (that is a nice perk of the CPO). after that, just use coupons and get your annual to 2x/year oil changes for $40 or so. that car really has very little extra stuff. A brake fluid change at 3 years (no clue if their plan covers it) and plugs at 105K miles. Do your own air and cabin filters. They do have trans fluid change on the list for the CVT, and I suspect that might be a 100K item also (it is 25K under severe duty). Regular AT fluid change is about $100. Other than that you will go a long time without anything being called for. Highly unlikely you get your money back from that plan.

Might be different on a car like a Mercedes where the same service costs 10x as much!

this is the list of items (need to open the PDF).

https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2020/Accord-Sedan/features/Maintenance-Minder-System/1/maintenance-minder-system-pdf

suydam · April 2020

Not worth it IMHO. you’ve got the warranty. You’ve got a Honda. Good to go.

roadburner · April 2020

stickguy said:
Jip, you will definitely get different opinions on the warranty. Put me in the wouldn't do it category. Got at least 6 years on the powertrain and after that, would invest the $1,600 and self insure. But, relatively cheap insurance to go out that far, if you are going to put that kind of miles on it (not putting a lot of miles on is one reason I don't bother to get one).

I always find it a bit contradictory when the salesperson touts the great reliability of their product only to have the F&I guy try to scare you into buying an extended warranty.
I remember a very brief period(fortunately) in the early '90s when my wife was interested in a Subaru. I told the sales guy we were looking for one with a leather interior because we hated the mouse fur upholstery that Subaru-and most every other Japanese brand-was using. The sales guy told me that they could get a car reupholstered in leather. When I expressed my doubts about aftermarket leather he assured me that, "It's a lot better than the leather Subaru uses." I wanted to ask him if Subaru also cut corners on things that weren't visible, but instead I simply turned around and walked out.

roadburner · April 2020

We might go drive the 540i xDrive tomorrow; the price has dropped by another $500, so if they could install the MPPSK for around $3,000 I'd probably pull the trigger.

jipster · April 2020

stickguy said:
definitely go back and take advantage of the concierge service, unless you are a real techie. They will pair the phones, set up carplay, and show you how everything works. You can figure a lot out from the manual, but having someone guide you through can really make it easier.

and man, it does not sound like your state is doing much social distancing, considering how much time you were spending at car dealers! In NJ would have had to do all this virtually, and had a contactless delivery of some sort. No way would a specialist get in the car with you to show you stuff. Maybe stand 6' away and yell instructions? Or facetime in.

Yes, probably going to go thru the owners manual then take advantage of the concierge service. That should do it.

With social distancing at dealership, it was mostly arrive at the dealership, call the salesman, they come outside, stand about 6 feet from you, roughly, hand you the keys, and either let you test drive on your own or follow you in the company car. I was wearing my surgical mask as well. I did have that Ford Fusion guy jump in the car with me. Which was not a good idea. The cars are suppose to be clean and sanitized after each use. Mazda had plastic on the driver's seat and on the steering wheel. The Honda finance guy cleaned and sanitized his office after each customer. He was off in a corner of the showroom where no one else was a!lowed. Actually, I think technically dealerships are suppose to sell the way you describe. The specialist wasn't available, so we're suppose to meet with her some other time.

Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

benjaminh · April 2020

jipster said:
....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)

Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the economy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWh5nv-ePw

tjc78 · April 2020

Congrats, Jip!!

Sounds like a nice ride!

jipster · April 2020

benjaminh said:

jipster said:
....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)
Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the economy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWh5nv-ePw

Odd that there's no car manual to explain all the tech features, but there is that car guide that explains how to put on a seat belt?

In looking on line, there was a YouTube video where some guy was saying you can order the paperback car manual if you go to the Honda owner website. It has to be within 6 months of.purchase and you have to provide your vin number. The guy displayed the manual in the video, not as thick as War and Peace, but close.

I knew Honda's were built in Ohio, but didn't think that large of a percent were. There's doing a pretty good job building Accords,.So may have to change my opinion about those buckeyes. ;-)

@tjc78 Thanks. It is a nice ride. And I don't know if it was different driving conditions, barometric pressure, my imagination, lunar pull...LOL.....but this Accord seems to ride a tad better than the other (same powertrain) Accords I test drove.

ab348 · April 2020

stickguy said:
definitely go back and take advantage of the concierge service, unless you are a real techie. They will pair the phones, set up carplay, and show you how everything works. You can figure a lot out from the manual, but having someone guide you through can really make it easier.

I would add it is a good idea to take notes when doing this. I don't know if the Honda is like this but in the ATS there is the capability for a WiFi hotspot and of course Onstar. Both of those have different passwords. There is also a MyCadillac app for your phone that does various things and it also has its own password. The dealer set all of those things up while I was sitting in the lot with the car when taking delivery but I didn't write anything down.

So while those things still work in the car, I have no idea what the passwords are and if I ever get a new phone I will somehow have to get everything reset, a real pain. When that happens I will definitely make notes.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

stickguy said:
pass on it IMO. especially since you have 3 years already (that is a nice perk of the CPO). after that, just use coupons and get your annual to 2x/year oil changes for $40 or so. that car really has very little extra stuff. A brake fluid change at 3 years (no clue if their plan covers it) and plugs at 105K miles. Do your own air and cabin filters. They do have trans fluid change on the list for the CVT, and I suspect that might be a 100K item also (it is 25K under severe duty). Regular AT fluid change is about $100. Other than that you will go a long time without anything being called for. Highly unlikely you get your money back from that plan.

Might be different on a car like a Mercedes where the same service costs 10x as much!

this is the list of items (need to open the PDF).

https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2020/Accord-Sedan/features/Maintenance-Minder-System/1/maintenance-minder-system-pdf

I’d change the transmission fluid on a severe duty schedule since that’s the only potentially questionable item in Honda’s otherwise bulletproof structure. Heck, even on a regular transmission I’d do it at 50k miles. Honda’s CVTs is probably one of the best but why take chances.

houdini1 · April 2020

stickguy said:
pass on it IMO. especially since you have 3 years already (that is a nice perk of the CPO). after that, just use coupons and get your annual to 2x/year oil changes for $40 or so. that car really has very little extra stuff. A brake fluid change at 3 years (no clue if their plan covers it) and plugs at 105K miles. Do your own air and cabin filters. They do have trans fluid change on the list for the CVT, and I suspect that might be a 100K item also (it is 25K under severe duty). Regular AT fluid change is about $100. Other than that you will go a long time without anything being called for. Highly unlikely you get your money back from that plan.

Might be different on a car like a Mercedes where the same service costs 10x as much!

this is the list of items (need to open the PDF).

https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2020/Accord-Sedan/features/Maintenance-Minder-System/1/maintenance-minder-system-pdf

Also that $700. savings is based on paying full price, etc. Most dealers run specials every week with discounted service items anyway, so pass on maintenance and just watch for the specials, etc.

oldfarmer50 · April 2020

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:
....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)
Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the economy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWh5nv-ePw
Odd that there's no car manual to explain all the tech features, but there is that car guide that explains how to put on a seat belt?

In looking on line, there was a YouTube video where some guy was saying you can order the paperback car manual if you go to the Honda owner website. It has to be within 6 months of.purchase and you have to provide your vin number. The guy displayed the manual in the video, not as thick as War and Peace, but close.

I knew Honda's were built in Ohio, but didn't think that large of a percent were. There's doing a pretty good job building Accords,.So may have to change my opinion about those buckeyes. ;-)

@tjc78 Thanks. It is a nice ride. And I don't know if it was different driving conditions, barometric pressure, my imagination, lunar pull...LOL.....but this Accord seems to ride a tad better than the other (same powertrain) Accords I test drove.

Ford’s owner’s manual seems more liability mitigation disclaimers than anything useful. Their web site is worse, requiring you to set up an account with passwords and such. Even then there’s no help with little questions like how to do presets on the radio.

driver100 · April 2020

About prepaid maintenance on the Mercedes. I paid $1200 for it on the 2015 E, but only used one, when the car was totaled.
When I ordered the 2017 I asked if the next 2 service appointments could be carried over to the new car.
Mercedes of Canada said no, they were only good for the 2015.
Fortunately, my dealer saw my point, and they paid for my 3 service appts on the 2017 as a courtesy.
It was nice of them, though they got to sell me another car....they actually came out the best on the whole thing

snakeweasel · April 2020

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe

I just bought a new set of sunglasses, they were polarized, they filter out the HUD. :@

bwia · April 2020

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:
....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)
Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the economy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWh5nv-ePw
@tjc78 Thanks. It is a nice ride. And I don't know if it was different driving conditions, barometric pressure, my imagination, lunar pull...LOL.....but this Accord seems to ride a tad better than the other (same powertrain) Accords I test drove.

@jipster, it was your imagination playing tricks on you. The experts say driving in rain adds a psychological boost to the driver's senses -- that is, the handling and feel just seem better, but it's not. That's why they caution against doing a test drive on a rainy day.

imidazol97 · April 2020

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe
I just bought a new set of sunglasses, they were polarized, they filter out the HUD. :@

I had that problem on the leSabre with the polarized sunglasses.

snakeweasel · April 2020

driver100 said:
Jip...I think the Accord is the car to buy in that segment....best combination of style, performance, practicality but still fun to drive.
Warranties..........I seldom come out ahead. It is a gamble. It is kind of like expensive insurance, you pay quite a bit for repairs which probably never come close to the cost of the insurance. And, things change before you get there, you need a different car, you don't drive as much, an accident......etc.
You only win if you have a few major repairs....and if that happens, you would probably want to get rid of the car.
So, IMO.....I wouldn't buy it, but, it is really a gamble whether it will be worth it.

Happy motoring, enjoy the new ride.........the Accord hits the sweet spot in that market.

My view on warranties is that the warranty company has overhead to pay along with warranty payouts. That tells me that the average vehicle will have less in warranty covered work than the warranty costs. When we got the BMW we calculated what the warranty would have added to the payment and we are putting that away in a separate bank account to cover any issues.

snakeweasel · April 2020

benjaminh said:
I have confidence that your Honda 1.5 turbo and CVT (as well as our 1.5T/CVT in our CR-V) will last with meticulous maintenance to at least 120,000 miles without repairs, and probably they'll go to 150k. But peace of mind can be a good thing. If your wife likes it, I'd say at this point just go ahead and keep it. You're done imho! And now you can start enjoying the car. And tomorrow, or maybe the next day, maybe we can try to talk you through learning AndroidAuto or Apple CarPlay.

PS I'm glad you went for the EX-L. The EX is a very nice car, but EXL makes it luxurious. That EXL stereo is great!

Agree, unless you do a lot of heavy hard acceleration that powertrain should last a good while.

nyccarguy · April 2020

@jipster

I think you'll be fine with the 48 month/48,000 mile - 7 year/100K mile CPO Honda Warranty. Like others have said, just follow the maintenance schedule, look for "service specials" and you'll be fine. I service our Pilot in Greenwich, CT (one of the wealthiest towns in the country) and only pay $40 for a full synthetic oil change with coupon. Read the codes from your maintenance minder. If a fluid change is required, request a "drain & fill" which will be less than their "Power Purge or Power Flush" service.

How many miles per year do you usually drive?

snakeweasel · April 2020

I was out yesterday and saw an Audi A6 delivering pizza. Also I saw a sign along the road that said "remember maintain a 6 foot distance" which I found strange on a 45 MPH road but hey who am I to argue.

qbrozen · April 2020

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
Jip...I think the Accord is the car to buy in that segment....best combination of style, performance, practicality but still fun to drive.
Warranties..........I seldom come out ahead. It is a gamble. It is kind of like expensive insurance, you pay quite a bit for repairs which probably never come close to the cost of the insurance. And, things change before you get there, you need a different car, you don't drive as much, an accident......etc.
You only win if you have a few major repairs....and if that happens, you would probably want to get rid of the car.
So, IMO.....I wouldn't buy it, but, it is really a gamble whether it will be worth it.

Happy motoring, enjoy the new ride.........the Accord hits the sweet spot in that market.
My view on warranties is that the warranty company has overhead to pay along with warranty payouts. That tells me that the average vehicle will have less in warranty covered work than the warranty costs. When we got the BMW we calculated what the warranty would have added to the payment and we are putting that away in a separate bank account to cover any issues.

For 3rd party, yes, but factory backed warranties can be different, IMHO. Repairs cost them less than they would you or a 3rd-party, for one thing. Additionally, they and the dealers realize more benefit in that you are tied to them for longer, as most people with factory warranty are bringing their cars to the dealer for services, thereby providing the traffic in the shop and the showroom. It also of course can increase customer satisfaction and keep you in the fold. In Jip's case, one big repair in the next 150k miles can pay for the warranty. I'd be willing to be SOMETHING will go wrong in such a long time. I've yet to experience an AC system lasting that long, personally, for instance.

tjc78 · April 2020

imidazol97 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe
I just bought a new set of sunglasses, they were polarized, they filter out the HUD. :@
I had that problem on the leSabre with the polarized sunglasses.

I never had a problem with polarized glasses in the 2012 LaCrosse. I wonder if they changed something by then.

I miss HUD. It wasn’t available on the Enclave, which is strange since you could get it on top trim Acadia models.

The Volvo has it available but it’s in the self driving package which I wasn’t paying over 2K extra for.

nyccarguy · April 2020

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
Jip...I think the Accord is the car to buy in that segment....best combination of style, performance, practicality but still fun to drive.
Warranties..........I seldom come out ahead. It is a gamble. It is kind of like expensive insurance, you pay quite a bit for repairs which probably never come close to the cost of the insurance. And, things change before you get there, you need a different car, you don't drive as much, an accident......etc.
You only win if you have a few major repairs....and if that happens, you would probably want to get rid of the car.
So, IMO.....I wouldn't buy it, but, it is really a gamble whether it will be worth it.

Happy motoring, enjoy the new ride.........the Accord hits the sweet spot in that market.
My view on warranties is that the warranty company has overhead to pay along with warranty payouts. That tells me that the average vehicle will have less in warranty covered work than the warranty costs. When we got the BMW we calculated what the warranty would have added to the payment and we are putting that away in a separate bank account to cover any issues.
For 3rd party, yes, but factory backed warranties can be different, IMHO. Repairs cost them less than they would you or a 3rd-party, for one thing. Additionally, they and the dealers realize more benefit in that you are tied to them for longer, as most people with factory warranty are bringing their cars to the dealer for services, thereby providing the traffic in the shop and the showroom. It also of course can increase customer satisfaction and keep you in the fold. In Jip's case, one big repair in the next 150k miles can pay for the warranty. I'd be willing to be SOMETHING will go wrong in such a long time. I've yet to experience an AC system lasting that long, personally, for instance.

You know what. I never thought of that. One major thing goes wrong. A/C, Catalytic Converter, CVT.

stickguy · April 2020

If I was getting an extended warranty, it would only be the manufacturer plan. Not going near a 3rd party one.

Our RDX (and the TLX) came with a normal owners manual. I think a quick start guide too. I know the Hyundai had that. It includes the majority of the how-tos that people care about. Full manual is largely legal disclaimers anyway, but useful when you really need to understand how a system works.

jipster · April 2020

Honda World is pretty much the only game in town here in Louisville. And they are expanding their service and showrooms Jeff Wyler Honda looks to be a pit. Neil Huffman Honda is across the river. So not sure if Honda World does, or would need to do, service specials.

I couldn't find that maintenance plan the finance guy said he would include. Probably best to do full synthetic oil changes, which can be expensive. So, I'd at least like to look at the numbers. But, pretty sure I won't buy the maintenance plan.

Took the Accord out for a joyride this morning. Hairpin turns that would have thrown me out the window in my Mercury Mariner, the Accord handled fairly well. Looking forward to figuring out all the tech features. Want that hardcopy owners manual though.

stickguy · April 2020

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
Jip...I think the Accord is the car to buy in that segment....best combination of style, performance, practicality but still fun to drive.
Warranties..........I seldom come out ahead. It is a gamble. It is kind of like expensive insurance, you pay quite a bit for repairs which probably never come close to the cost of the insurance. And, things change before you get there, you need a different car, you don't drive as much, an accident......etc.
You only win if you have a few major repairs....and if that happens, you would probably want to get rid of the car.
So, IMO.....I wouldn't buy it, but, it is really a gamble whether it will be worth it.

Happy motoring, enjoy the new ride.........the Accord hits the sweet spot in that market.
My view on warranties is that the warranty company has overhead to pay along with warranty payouts. That tells me that the average vehicle will have less in warranty covered work than the warranty costs. When we got the BMW we calculated what the warranty would have added to the payment and we are putting that away in a separate bank account to cover any issues.
For 3rd party, yes, but factory backed warranties can be different, IMHO. Repairs cost them less than they would you or a 3rd-party, for one thing. Additionally, they and the dealers realize more benefit in that you are tied to them for longer, as most people with factory warranty are bringing their cars to the dealer for services, thereby providing the traffic in the shop and the showroom. It also of course can increase customer satisfaction and keep you in the fold. In Jip's case, one big repair in the next 150k miles can pay for the warranty. I'd be willing to be SOMETHING will go wrong in such a long time. I've yet to experience an AC system lasting that long, personally, for instance.

You know what. I never thought of that. One major thing goes wrong. A/C, Catalytic Converter, CVT.

Honda care + going out to 150,000 miles is what makes Jips plan useful, since he intends to push out toward that miles range. In his case I might have gotten it too. But we are likely to barely crack 80k miles in 10 years, so much less valuable to us!

stickguy · April 2020

Jip, if Honda uses a synthetic. Lend that’s fine. I think my Acura’s use that. Dealer does all my oil changes so the cars get what Acura specifies.

jipster · April 2020

bwia said:

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:
....Honda doesn't have much of an owner's manual for the Accord. A bit cheap looking. Guess they use their money on engineering. :-)
Those old car manuals with hundreds of pages are a thing of the past. Now they just have a booklet as you saw to get you going and explain the basic features. There's still an online or pdf manual that's hundreds of pages long that you can look at if you'd like. But yes, I think Honda does put a little extra into the engineering. Toyota was started by bank/finance people, and they still have the greatest cash pile in the auto universe. Some call it "The Bank of Toyota." Toyotas are really good cars and last a really long time, but the last time I was in a Camry I did feel elements of value engineering in the car. Hondas have that too, of course, but imho to maybe a lesser extent? Soichiro Honda was an engineer and hands-on builder, and the presidents of Honda even these days are engineers.

You probably already know this but your car itself, as well as the engine and transmission, were all made in various plants in Ohio. More than 95% of Hondas and Acuras are made in the US. Here's an 11-minute video Honda made about the Marysville plant where Accords and TLXs are built (although they never seem to show Acura production in these videos that I've seen). So buying your car also did a small thing to strengthen the economy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWh5nv-ePw
@tjc78 Thanks. It is a nice ride. And I don't know if it was different driving conditions, barometric pressure, my imagination, lunar pull...LOL.....but this Accord seems to ride a tad better than the other (same powertrain) Accords I test drove.
@jipster, it was your imagination playing tricks on you. The experts say driving in rain adds a psychological boost to the driver's senses -- that is, the handling and feel just seem better, but it's not. That's why they caution against doing a test drive on a rainy day.

Funny you should mention that. The first time I drove that Accord Hybrid was in a light drizzle. It seemed to drive soooo much better than the second time I drove it with my wife in dry conditions. I could hear the engine drone under moderate to heavy acceleration much more in dry conditions. And yes, seemed to be a psychological boost going on in the hybrid. Now driving the Accord EX, it was under dry conditions, like the first time I drove the EX-L...the EX-L seemed to drive better. Something else going on then,.like that great stereo.

jipster · April 2020

nyccarguy said:
@jipster

I think you'll be fine with the 48 month/48,000 mile - 7 year/100K mile CPO Honda Warranty. Like others have said, just follow the maintenance schedule, look for "service specials" and you'll be fine. I service our Pilot in Greenwich, CT (one of the wealthiest towns in the country) and only pay $40 for a full synthetic oil change with coupon. Read the codes from your maintenance minder. If a fluid change is required, request a "drain & fill" which will be less than their "Power Purge or Power Flush" service.

How many miles per year do you usually drive?

Wow..Full synthetic for $40.with coupon. That's a deal. Regular price about $60-$70?

Is there an actual maintenance schedule with Honda? Or, so you just go by the maintenance minder? In the owners "Guide" it only mentioned when to do service under severe conditions. So, I'm confused already.

I average about 14,000 miles a year.

stickguy · April 2020

I posted link to the pdf of the guide (explains what the codes mean). They note a few dates Or miles, mostly for severe use or times to do something even if had not hit miles. But no, they don’t publish a real schedule. You can find some estimates on line if you look. But the concept is, take it in when the car says to go, and do what it asks for.

Oil change is likely to be Every 7,500-10,000 miles, but no longer than 12 months. Brake fluid every 3 years. Plugs at 105,000 miles. CVT fluid, not sure, my guess is between 50-100k. Personally, I would do it every 50k.

That’s pretty much it, other than air and cabin filters every few years. Super easy DIY.

graphicguy · April 2020

@jipster ...can’t comment about the Accord’s maintenance, but on my TLX, it’s been downright cheap for maintenance. I would imagine the Accord would be even better.

Just follow the “maintenance minder” codes when they come up in your instrument cluster on the dash, and you’ll be fine.

I get coupons to use on my TLX all the time from my dealer. Oil and filter change plus tire rotation and inspections....$49.99 with the coupon. Pretty sure they use what Acura suggests, which is synthetic.

It varies, but the maintenance minder on my car comes on anywhere between 7,500-9,000 miles between services.

Starting to plan on the eventual tire replacement on the TLX, maybe this Fall/Winter. Hopefully, by then, I can score a deal at Costco Tire Center.

Regarding Wyler...interestingly enough, their Kia dealership where I bought the Stinger is very modern and up-to-date. I’ve heard their Honda dealership, about 20 minutes away is a bit run down. Go figure. I do think his first stores, which were built around the 70s might be getting long in the tooth. But, his newer places (like the Kia store) are bright and inviting.

driver100 · April 2020

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:
Hey Mike...just looking in your general area, there's a Black/Black one in Palm Beach. Tons of silver and white S450s if you're willing to take a different color....even more at other, nearby dealerships.

https://www.mercedespalmbeach.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2020-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-West-Palm-Beach-FL-33409-eb98403e0a0e0a6b3f275e53a98c9f50.htm
Not going back to Palm Beach - not very nice people up there - they wouldn't even discuss my offer. The other dealerships don't have exactly what I am looking for in terms of options. I want a heads-up display and wood/leather steering wheel - most don't have that equipment.

Thanks for the heads up.
Huh, 109 grand plus for a car and it doesn't have HUD? My wannabe has that. Is there a category below wannabe?

jmonroe
I just bought a new set of sunglasses, they were polarized, they filter out the HUD. :@

Mine aren't polarized but they filter out HUD too. Mike should forget HUD, you need sunglasses 90% of the time in Florida.

jipster · April 2020

jipster · April 2020

Not a great photo. I'll take some more when the sun's out.
Don't know if you can read It, but the paper 9n windshield says Jipsters New Ride. :-)

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