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  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Greg,

    I might take Raven (my Forester's new name thanks to Ross) out camping to Big Sur later next month. :-)

    Ken
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Congrats Ken! With rents like that, wouldn't your mortgage be about the same? That's what finally convinced my wife we should go for a house 3 years ago.

    Coming up on my 1 year anniversary with my OB and have almost 17000 miles on it already. 1200 of that within the last 2.5 weeks! Time for a nice wash and polish this weekend as a reward.

    Mark
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Patti - I was thinking. Would Subaru consider starting a program where the owners could 'officially' register their cars' name?
    You know like, instead of getting a reminder that says "Your xxxxxx... is due for service" it'll say "'Sandy,'Silvius', or 'Raven' is due for his/her oil change". How's that for personalized?
    Maybe a name tag for the car too.
    Hope the idea isn't as bad as the "6 Star General" joke.
  • anibalbanibalb Member Posts: 193
    Folks,

    I liked that wagon. It is awesome. I think that Europe is ahead of the US in terms of radical cars. My Dad's Renault has a little dial next to the steering column to adjust your headlights up or down. How cool is that? They have some funcky looking cars. And for having half as strong engines it seems that they all travel at an average of 150 k/h. I suppose the 94 Octane gas might help.

    I definitly like that wagon. When is Subaru going to offer a 3 row seat. Even a removable one would work for my OB....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Actually, I think that dial was to help lift the lights back up after each time they fell.

    Renaults earned a truly awful reputation for reliability. They still sell them in Brazil, and my brother owned one (a 19, IIRC) and regretted it.

    -juice
  • anibalbanibalb Member Posts: 193
    Juice,

    Ha ha ha. Renaults have an awful reputation in the Americas. They do great in Europe. My dad would never buy a french car here in the States. But over there he won't have anything else. They are extremely reliable and maintenace is a practically nothing. I tested the little dial with the car facing a wall and it was impressive! It is not even a luxury car. It looks like a focus somewhat. Hatchback etc. But it has all of the radio controls in the steering wheel for convenience........Subaru???? It is quite nice. I think those little convenience things make a difference. I wouldn't mind having them. Also I think there is a button on the dash that immediately connects to the nationwide traffic monitor. The winshield has a special place for the little gadget that allows them to pass Highway tolls at 40Km/h without stopping. Pretty cool stuff!!!!
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Here in Wisconsin, we don't have toll-roads. But, Illinois does (we have relatives in Chicago). The ITA (Illinois Tollway Authority) sells a little gizmo called an I-PASS that allows one to pass a toll through a 'special' lane at speeds > 30mph.

    We don't travel down there that much to justify 'buying' the I-PASS unit. I just bring 50 pennies to pay the toll attendant...

    -Brian
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    We have EZTags in all our cars. I know that they can read my tag at at least 80 mph, because I keep getting the darn bills :). I also have an EZTag to get into my neighborhood. Does that make me distinctive within the group and/or change my demographic classification?

    Jim
  • dsackmandsackman Member Posts: 145
    Ken,

    You may want to consider a new development in East Palo Alto, between University and Embarcadero, to the east of the 101. It is called University Square. The prices are getting quite soft and the developers are getting ready to negotiate. We recently bought there and moved from the East Bay.

    Daniel
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The northeast has EZ Pass, no one needs to pay a toll from Boston to Buffalo to Baltimore to Pittsburg anymore! :)

    -mike
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Here in Melbourne, Australia, they have intoduced Toll pricing on the Freeways closest to the city centre about eighteen months ago. These are monitored by an E-Tag as you passs under gantries and the car is photographed at the same time. The opportunity has also been taken to instal speed cameras in a tunnel on the section closest to the CBD.

    Pricing is about AUD 5.00 (USD 2.50)per day. However the bizarre thing is the discovery that for many users, it is smarter to use the existing main road network rather than the freeway.

    I live 25km from my city office and about 5km from the nearest freeway entrance. However, that freeway entrance is also near the entry point to a main feeder route with phased traffic lights set at the speed limit. Hence, provided traffic density is not too great, the traffic moves at a steady 60-70kmh compared to a more erratic 70-80kmh on the freeway.

    This translates to about four minutes on my commute increasing it from 28 minutes to 32. In bad peak hour both of these time blow out by 15 minutes or so.

    In addition, once on the freeway, it is hard to get off, but the alternative route has options every 100 metres. Melbourne is set out on a grid pattern with major through roads about every 1.6km (1 mile) apart, aligned North-South and East-West. If one chokes, you just move across one road. The worst bit of the trip is the last three kilometres where the alternative is to drive around Albert Park Lake, the Australian GP course.

    After eighteen months, I have still not got an E-Tag.

    Melbourne is a great place to live!

    Cheers

    Graham
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    Well, I've been having a blast in it. One error - I had it cleaned and the tires dressed. I got on it a bit pulling out of the car wash and the tire dressing was on the wheels - scared the hubby a bit. This baby is fun. Lot's of power and comfortable seats. My son, who advises me not to get a Forester because of a lack of leg room in the rear, insist that he is just fine in the back of the WRX - hmmmmm could it be he likes the car? I'm going to be driving an automatic this weekend, but it looks like I'll be able to get a 5 speed for my next test vehicle. Ahh - 7500 miles of pure fun.

    One difference, I kind of miss the more luxurious appointments in the OB Limited Sedan - but I'll give it up for the increased power. It can be a bit dangerous though. I had to pass 5 cars on a road that is supposed to be 55 mph and the lead car was doing 40. Normally, I wouldn't have tried to pass that many, but I breezed past them. After it was safe to get back over, I noted that I was at 90 mph (it didn't feel like it at all) and I had to step it down quickly.

    Patti
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    I think it will be a long time - if at all, that we will see Subaru's with GM styling/cross-badging in the U. S. If they do, they will have AWD and our drive train as they currently do. It's different out of the U. S. market because growth and sales are a bit slower for FHI. As long as we keep up as the FHI arm with the most sales/profitability - I think we're okay.

    Patti
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    I like that idea. Maybe we can implement it on MYSUBARU.COM. I'll put in a request?

    Patti
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I think many of us here will be interested in your report. There have been so many reports here and elsewhere about the "impaired" performance vis-a-vis the manual version that some folks who might otherwise consider the car are being turned away. Speaking for myself, I don't believe the WRX was designed for stoplight drag races - why else would FHI/Subaru have put so much R&D into the chassis and drivetrain?

    Enjoy!
    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Anibal: it was funny. When my brother went to trade in his Renault 19 for a newer car (a Fiat, no more Renaults for him), the car died on the lot as he was arriving. They had to push it onto the lot.

    They gave him nearly nothing for the trade, but he was just glad to get rid of it!

    Patti: any chance Subaru can give me a long, long-term WRX test drive? Say, for 6 years or so? ;-)

    -juice
  • perritoperrito Member Posts: 66
    Great idea about letting us register "pet names" for our Subies so near and dear to us.
    My out-going Forester ('01) was named Bobura (japanese for "Barbara" -- let's see if anybody gets this reference), while the new 02 WRX wagon name is planned to be "Shigo," another good japanese word that means:
    1) a whisper
    2) an obsolete word
    3) feeling after death

    plus the whole "she goes" similarity... for what it's worth.
    :)
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Well late as usual (long weekend visiting family).
    Let's see, still 40 (but just barely), married but no kids, one dog (black Lab), been working with computers for over 20 years but never had a Mac, career military intelligence specialist (spare me the oxymoron jokes please), the Forester is my first Subaru, like to hike, bike and travel but don't do enough of any them, have received somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 speeding tickets in almost as many states and countries, but none in the past 12 years (and none that the insurance company found out about thank goodness).

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Was there a Barbara character on the Scooby Doo show? Just a guess.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Patti- Your 90 mph passing story sounds eerily familiar. Much the same thing happened to me a few years ago. It was around dusk and I was at the back of a line of about 8 cars behind a farm truck going several miles under the speed limit (and couldn't figure out why no one was passing). I swung out with the intention of passing just a couple at a time but since the opposite lane remained clear, I kept accelerating until I was abreast with the head of the line. Which is when I realized that there was a state trooper tucked in behind the farm truck (hence why no one was passing). I glanced down at the speedo only to see I was going over 80 mph. Well I of course got off the gas and let my forward momentum carry me past the truck and I then coasted back over to the right-hand lane. The trooper of course came right behind and pulled me over. The interesting part was that although it was obvious I was speeding, since the trooper hadn't had a chance to clock me he couldn't give me a speeding ticket. He did however write me a ticket for failing to signal properly because I hadn't used my turn signal before pulling back into the right-hand lane! And I haven't gotten a ticket since.

    -Frank P.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hey all here is a webpage with details of the SIA Trail Ride for Sept 15th


    http://isuzu-suvs.com/events/index.html


    -mike

  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Like Ed said, fill us in on the auto.
    At this point, I'm *considering* an auto on my next Sube. Although having two automatic Subaru wagons IS kind of redundant. :-D

    Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wow, Frank, my record is passing 7 cars in one swoop. Though I didn't get a ticket doing it!

    Dennis: I asked my wife if she wanted an auto in her next car, since she drives a 5 speed now but a kid is in the picture. Much to my surprise, she remains faithful and insists on a proper manual trans, the way God intended.

    Still waiting for that Blitzen...

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Is that a "South Park" reference? IIRC there was a giant Barbra Streisand on that show in the style of Godzilla, Mothra et al.

    Ed
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Just wanted to fill you folks in on the results from the problem my niece had with getting the deposit back from the dealer. After contacting the credit card company with full documentation of everything involoved, the dealer has refunded the full deposit. Thanks again for the knowledge base that is out here, and the advice.

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Glad to hear that was resolved.

    More wagons I found: the Honda Model X is coming in some form for 2003, the 2004 Infiniti FX45 will have a fastback wagon shape, and the name of that Suzuki I was thinking of is the SX, also in 2003.

    Honda will also have yet another sport wagon for 2003. Mazda MX Sport Tourer could make it in 2004. Mitsubishi will likely offer a sport wagon for 2003. Nissan will add one in 2005. Toyota may offer a WiLL wagon in 2003.

    Enough wagons for you? The trend has started, my friends. Wagons are back with a vengeance.

    -juice

    PS Oops, maybe this should have been under Future Models
  • anibalbanibalb Member Posts: 193
    Gees,

    Does this mean that Subies are going to get cheaper with all of that competition??? Hmmm, hope not since I will loose value on mine. Juice the Renault story is funny!!!! Maybe he should get a Peugeut (sp?). Or a Citroen! However Citroens are quite expensive cars in Europe. What I would like here in the USA is those wonderful turbodiesel engines. These days turbodiesels accelarate just as fast as gas and consume much less. I don't want a Jetta TDI though!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    it means Subie wagons will get better still.

    The more AWD wagons that show up, means Subaru is going to have to work harder to distinguish themselves from the others. And by "distinguish," I mean better, not just different.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Citroens are expensive in Brazil, too. Peugeots are among the best selling imports (due to their WRC success), but he's driving a Chevy Vectra (no Opel in Brazil) and his wife has a Fiat Palio like my mom's, all made in Brazil.

    Imports carry some hefty taxes, so an Outback costs about $44 grand. You'd have to be rich to afford any Subaru, so they're pitched as near-luxury cars there. A brazilian-made Dakota crew cab costs about half as much. Funny, no?

    Also, gas is about $3.50 a gallon, so light, small, FWD is almost mandatory. Diesel costs about half as much, so anything diesel costs 10% more and still sells well.

    Honda and Toyota have opened factories there, so it's getting more competitive. BMW will build its Mini Cooper engines in Brazil, too, and I think Mercedes started making A classes there.

    And Subaru? Well, perhaps due to the no-snow climate, they haven't really penetrated the market much. They'd really have to manufacture in Brazil and pitch the AWD for sand/beach driving to make a dent.

    What would sell? A Forester or Impreza wagon with a small Isuzu diesel, made in Brazil. That's what it would take, IMO.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Patti,

    Nice write up. I'd love to hear what speeds you'll be hitting with a 5-speed.

    Now, combine the power of the WRX with the amenities of the OB Ltd Sedan and we're in business.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gimme the size of the Legacy, not the ameneties (and the high price that goes with them).

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    As we know, there aren't many "official" Subaru outlets south of the Mexican border. To me this seems strange. I would think Subaru would be an ideal vehicle in those Latin American markets, because of the AWD and legendary durability.

    Bob
  • perritoperrito Member Posts: 66
    Lark6, or Ed, if you prefer:
    You're the winner. The Bobura reference is indeed from the Barbara Streisand episode on SouthPark when she turns into "MegaStreisand" and only Robert Smith of the cure is able to defeat her. Goofy, yet hilarious, if you're into it.
    Good call -- eric
  • perritoperrito Member Posts: 66
    Robert,

    I agree -- wish they would start dealing south of the border. I've had some good times in my ol' Forester in northern Mexico. I had one very close call with the rear differential once, got caught on a large rock, but other than that.... smooth sailing. I even plan on taking the new WRX wagon (arriving 9/8/01! Yeah!) into Mexico once in a while... although our 97 Outback sport will serve more of that function.

    Viva Subaru!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: yeah, but gas is only cheap in Venezuela and Ecuador. As much as I enjoy AWD, the 2mpg or so penatly is not something folks with tight budgets and $4 gas are willing to pay. So it becomes a luxury, and that limits sales significantly.

    Look at Mazda of Europe. Ford is only giving them V6 Tributes, and dealers are furious! 4 cylinders, better yet, diesels, are what they want over there.

    Here, customers want the V6. You can't give away the 130hp 4 cylinder.

    Also, size matters. The Legacy is a large car in Brazil. The Forester is a mid-size. Even the Impreza would be seen as a premium small car, not really mainstream.

    I let my brother borrow Sandy a few times, and they loved how big (!) it was.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Underinflation was recently a topic here. 1/4 of passenger car tires and 1/3 of light truck tires are underinflated according to this study. 55% of the people didn't know where to find the manufacturers recommended tire pressure.

    http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/08/29/tire.safety/index.html


    Dennis

  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    The one thing that really struck me on that study - they consider the pressure low when it is 8 PSI below recommended pressure! I consider that Firestone dangerous.

    Greg
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think even 2 psi below the Forester's 29/26 psi (f/r unloaded) recommendation is bad. Heck, I think it's too low to begin with!

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Ed is fine by me. Lark6 is just what I drive when not in the Subaru, mmmkay?

    Now hop on over to Forester topic and figure out the reference for my proposed Forester nickname.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Mandatory low pressure warning system? Geez, that's gonna add $$$ to new cars.
    Damn, make it mandatory to check tire pressure everytime they fill up, that's cheaper.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    With economies of scale it wouldn't be that expensive. And if 33% of all the SUVs out there are 8 psi under the recommended pressure, it's a small price to pay!

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Juice-

    Gas may be expensive, but all the other car makers have the same situation to deal with. I just think Subaru's ruggedness and AWD make it an ideal car for "3rd World" conditions.

    Bob
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I think people not only need to be educated to check pressures more regularly, but also how to check them correctly.

    Tire pressures need to be checked when cold and with the car unloaded. Chances are people have driven some distance before getting to a gas station. I bet they also don't bother taking the passengers/cargo out of the vehicle either.

    Also, many people probably use inaccurate pen-type gauges or even worse, the inaccurate built-in gauges at the air pump.

    Ken
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    I'll be glad to post my "Imprezions" of the auto on Tuesday (goin' camping for the weekend - maybe I'll try some off roading). Trivial but funny story - my 6'3" son does not want me to get a Forester for a test vehicle because he "doesn't fit" in the rear seat comfortably. But....he say's the WRX 5 speed with the wing is fine. I can't seem to figure out how the wing helps him but, hey, if he's game I'm in! I requested one and it looks like I might get one. I'm not sure how I'll feel about the automatic, but I just prefer a 5-speed. My major impression right now is that it is a bit easy to go fast and not notice it. With a red car, I'm having to be very careful!

    Juice - actually, I think I can help you out. Come to work for us!!!! You can get a new Subaru every year!!

    Names - I suggested this on your behalf today. They may try to incorporate it on the Subaru site under the "owner's page" but I'll let you all know.

    Tires - check 'em often. I'm a strong proponent of doing this. After all my reading and research on the Firestone issue, I firmly believe (NOTE: NOT A CORPORATE STATEMENT), that the issue/responsibility is with Ford. Firestone recommended a tire inflation rate that Ford didn't like (harsher ride/tip over concerns) and Ford recommended lower. More sidewall on the road surface = disaster.

    Okay, so what else is new?

    Patti
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    ...giving 'subearu' an oil change. While waiting, I went out the lot. LOTS of subes. Outbacks of every kind - a few Beans, 1 VDC wagon AND 1 VDC sedan, many '01-'02 Outbacks. Foresters were not too far behind in numbers, then a couple of Legacy GT wagons, a couple of new TS's and OBS's. Oh, 3 WRX 5 speed wagons all stickered around $25k (no BBS wheels).

    Definately like the new dual cupholders and postion of the heated seat switches in the '02 Outbacks. The new Outback red was a bit of a shock at first. It looked strange to see one in red (especially since ours is winestone). If I had to choose, I'd take a winestone one. :)

    Unfortunately, I didn't take any of them for a drive. Mom & baby met up with me there and _dragged_ me over to the dealers' Honda section to look at Odyssey's. Fortunately for me, they only had one to look at and it was higher than what we'd spend IF we were buying today (it was $28k).

    What did I learn today: the dealer has a boat load of Sube's (with tags on most of them saying "Must sell at dealer's cost - all below invoice, blah, blah, blah"). He'll want to get rid of them, especially as it gets closer to '02. Until then, we'll finish paying off some bills.

    Mom did say the TS wagon looked nice ($19-20k) as we were leaving...

    -Brian
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Just got my AAA magazine (the Texas regional edition) yesterday and noticed that they ran a very positive, short review of the Outback Sport. *BUT* the review mistakenly ran with two photos of the L.L. Bean Outback -- including a close-up of the H6 badge, even though the review's text correctly described the OBS' engine size -- and no photos of an actual Outback Sport!
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day


    The attached Autoweek article is interesting, looking at the decision of Subaru to sell the Opel Zafira (made in Thailand) as a Subaru people mover in Japan. Actually it is a clever car with an overall size about that of a Forester (maybe smaller) and a nifty third row of seats which folds flat into the floor behind the second row. Pity it has GM build quality. Have a look at the article for more.


    http://www.autonews.com/html/main/stories0827/subaru827.htm


    Cheers


    Graham

  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    In your son's defense, I checked the rear seat specs on Edmunds. The rear of the Forester has only 33.4 inches of legroom. The WRX has a whopping 33.7 inches! Therefore, your son is correct in saying there's more room in the WRX. A whopping 3/10 of an inch. :-)

    Dennis
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Thanks for the link. Bob began a thread with some interesting comments about the Traviq and Subaru/FHI in Future Models. I painfully found (no search function) the beginning of the discussion: rsholland "Subaru Crew - Future Models II" Aug 23, 2001 7:03am

    Keep up the good work, mate!

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

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