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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,768
    corvette said:

    If you don't mind my asking, how much are you into the Q7 for, after the dieselgate settlement?

    Sorry, I took a bit of a hiatus! Let's see.... all told, including everything I bought that was somewhat peripheral to the original purchase?

    I think I was at about $30K post-settlement on the purchase. Add another ~$5,000 for accessories/parts/maintenance (such as winter tires/wheels, trailer hitch, wiring, battery, wheel bearing, struts, block heater, etc., etc.).

    If I can manage to sell for $16.9, I guess that would put me a little over $18K on it. Over the course of 3.5 years, that definitely puts it into the "most expensive to own" category as far as my car history goes.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    That’s about $430/month. Weren’t leasing one for that, and including your winter wheels, etc.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,768
    stickguy said:

    That’s about $430/month. Weren’t leasing one for that, and including your winter wheels, etc.

    Okay, that's true. Thanks for putting it into perspective for me. Considering some of my cost-per-month vehicles, this one is a top-end outlier, though it is certainly in the territory of reasonable in the grand scheme of things!

    For daily drivers, I think my Escort wins on cost-to-own. Over the course of four years, my net outlay on that car was under $3,000, and that includes basically bringing it back from the dead (lot of body, suspension, and drivetrain work).

    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,624
    I've had plenty that cost me more than $430/month in depreciation, maintenance, and repairs!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    well, if you want a cheap to run car, get a cheap car not a luxury German barge. At least you got to enjoy a much nicer driving experience.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    I budget $400/month to maintain all 5 cars- not including insurance or registration/taxes.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    that doesn't include depreciation though.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,824
    edited July 27
    Our cheapest car ever to run was a '92 Civic Hatchback DX we bought at 10 years old with 166K miles on it. Great decision as it was a good car and cost very little to run 2+ years up to 200K miles. At that point, it was still worth money and suffered less than $1,000 in depreciation.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD 2.0T
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    I don't think I have every really figured out total cost. definitely not with gas, etc. But I know that my best one was probably my TL. Paid $2,000 for it. 5 years later (30,000 miles) sold it for $2,600. Not much maintenance into it. Tires, struts, battery, alternator and some coil packs was about it. Maybe cost me $1000 for 5 years (outside of gas/insurance/etc.).

    My 2005 Accord was pretty cheap too. Bought new for about $20,500, sold 8 years later for something like $12K, with a set of tires and rear brakes and a battery about it.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,624
    Other than the TDI buyback, the cheapest was probably the Mustang. Bought and sold a year later for about $500 less, spent $1,000 or so on tires and $500 or so on replacing a seatbelt with pretensioner.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 15,611
    stickguy said:

    I don't think I have every really figured out total cost. definitely not with gas, etc. But I know that my best one was probably my TL. Paid $2,000 for it. 5 years later (30,000 miles) sold it for $2,600. Not much maintenance into it. Tires, struts, battery, alternator and some coil packs was about it. Maybe cost me $1000 for 5 years (outside of gas/insurance/etc.).

    My 2005 Accord was pretty cheap too. Bought new for about $20,500, sold 8 years later for something like $12K, with a set of tires and rear brakes and a battery about it.

    I think any old hooptie can be a winner for annual costs. No depreciation to speak of and a lot of repairs can be ignored or done on the cheap with used parts. My old cargo van for example has a yearly cost of about $250.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 12,368
    breld said:

    The upcoming 2021 GTI is evolutionary - some tighter lines and revised lights. Nicely updated interior. But sounds like the powertrain is largely unchanged.

    And we were an early adopter when the last new GTI came out for 2015 - there were plenty of first year annoyances with that.

    So that’s all to say, if you can get a current model at a nice discount, no one would argue with that value.

    Again, just relaying my son’s GTI experience, he’s of the mind that he won’t get another one of the new models. Not sure where he heard any of this, but he says the new versions will be “decontented” with fewer features and cheaper materials. He follows the GTI news pretty closely, too.

    He’s not in the market, but he’s interested in the Civic Si or maybe.the Accord Sport 2.0T. He even mentioned that he’d like to look at the Acura ILX. So, he’s jumping into the Honda/Acura fold, or so it appears.
    2019 Kia Stinger GT2
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    I found the ILX to be a big downgrade from the TLX. Same drivetrain, maybe even quicker since ways less, but ride , handling, noise were worse.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 861
    corvette said:

    Other than the TDI buyback, the cheapest was probably the Mustang. Bought and sold a year later for about $500 less, spent $1,000 or so on tires and $500 or so on replacing a seatbelt with pretensioner.

    My ex and I had a del Sol for about a year and a half. Was a 1993 model bought in 2001 for $5000, with a fresh timing belt and clutch. Sixteen months (and maybe 16K miles) later it met its demise when a lumber truck driver didn't check his mirrors before changing lanes. Too short of an ownership experience, so it only mattered so much that insurance paid us more than we paid for it. Didn't end up putting more than regular maintenance into it.

    Woefully impractical but the most fun car I've ever owned.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 6,800
    Those Del Sols were not especially safe. My cousins had one when I was younger and a delivery truck literally backed up inadvertently and drove over the top of the car. They had to be extricated.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 13,143
    Changes afoot at Mercedes-Benz as they look to rationalize their model lineup:

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1123225_at-least-7-models-reportedly-face-the-ax-at-mercedes-benz

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,824
    stickguy said:

    I found the ILX to be a big downgrade from the TLX. Same drivetrain, maybe even quicker since ways less, but ride , handling, noise were worse.

    I found the same differences between the Accord and Civic "back in the day", it was easy to tell which was cheaper, not just smaller in the first part of this Century.

    In brief test drives, I found the same issue with the C-Class vs. A-Class at Mercedes.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD 2.0T
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 5,225
    edited July 28
    2011 Mercedes 2-door E-class for 10.5k. Clean carfax. 115k miles. A lot of car for the money?

    https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/used-Louisville-2011-Mercedes+Benz-E+Class-E+350+Base-WDDKJ5GB9BF094542

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    I like that MB. But not the miles, which explain the price.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,624
    edited July 28

    Ah - an older german car with over 100k miles. Did someone page me?

    It’s ready and waiting to break your wallet and your heart.
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 5,390
    I do like the ILX but really am wanting another hatch next time to be honest and it needs to be under 175" due to garage restraints. Looking like I might need to consider a GTI next go round as not much fits my parameters. The Encore GX is 172" so that'll fit and might be the one as I'd like a different brand next time. As much as I like a sun/moon roof, the only real requirement is a good audio system, something like a Bose with a subwoofer and a number of speakers. My Fender system in the Golf is not bad actually and have enjoyed it. The Mazda CX-30 is also another good contender.
    With so many manufacturers going to CUV's and SUV's, doesn't leave much for folks like me that want a smallish vehicle. And just not sure I want to do another German vehicle again as I've had some issues that I feel should not have happened with the lowish mileage I've got. Luckily, that oil leak was finally fixed but knowing that both front axle boots are torn and need replacement is making me think of just trading it before and put that money towards something brand new. Even though my mileage/year has changed drastically, I might just test drive both the Buick & the Mazda and see which one "works". Hopefully they both have the 0% financing and 3 months first payment deferral still in effect. Think I should just get onto Truecar.com and get this ball rolling. No one says I have to purchase now but at least I'll have an idea about costs and which one will work. Just like the Golf, I'll know within a few minutes behind the wheel if it's a vehicle I can live with for the next five to eight years. And it might just show me that I should just keep the Golf and fix the axle boots and be done with it all. But, do I want to drive it another two to four years??? That's the million dollar question here!!!

    2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2)

  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 3,385

    I do like the ILX but really am wanting another hatch next time to be honest and it needs to be under 175" due to garage restraints. Looking like I might need to consider a GTI next go round as not much fits my parameters. The Encore GX is 172" so that'll fit and might be the one as I'd like a different brand next time. As much as I like a sun/moon roof, the only real requirement is a good audio system, something like a Bose with a subwoofer and a number of speakers. My Fender system in the Golf is not bad actually and have enjoyed it. The Mazda CX-30 is also another good contender.
    With so many manufacturers going to CUV's and SUV's, doesn't leave much for folks like me that want a smallish vehicle. And just not sure I want to do another German vehicle again as I've had some issues that I feel should not have happened with the lowish mileage I've got. Luckily, that oil leak was finally fixed but knowing that both front axle boots are torn and need replacement is making me think of just trading it before and put that money towards something brand new. Even though my mileage/year has changed drastically, I might just test drive both the Buick & the Mazda and see which one "works". Hopefully they both have the 0% financing and 3 months first payment deferral still in effect. Think I should just get onto Truecar.com and get this ball rolling. No one says I have to purchase now but at least I'll have an idea about costs and which one will work. Just like the Golf, I'll know within a few minutes behind the wheel if it's a vehicle I can live with for the next five to eight years. And it might just show me that I should just keep the Golf and fix the axle boots and be done with it all. But, do I want to drive it another two to four years??? That's the million dollar question here!!!

    Take it for a second opinion about the axle boots. They could be pulling your tail.

    2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2013 Honda Accord EX, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • fintailfintail Posts: 51,019
    Not surprised by some of that - new C, E, and S coupes are somewhat uncommon sights, and the cabrios even more so. They seemed to have their day in the sun about 10 years ago - now everyone wants a potato fastback CUV. The replacement line should reduce redundancy a little - a German maker cutting back on niches, what is the world coming to?

    I also read the CLS was on the chopping block - at least for the dumbed down US market. That one is a little harder to swallow, as the CLS was something of a milestone design for the modern era IMO, and I see at least a few of them here and there.

    Luxury trim (hood star, traditional grille) is also being cut for US spec E-class with the MY 2021 facelift.
    ab348 said:

    Changes afoot at Mercedes-Benz as they look to rationalize their model lineup:

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1123225_at-least-7-models-reportedly-face-the-ax-at-mercedes-benz

  • fintailfintail Posts: 51,019
    Lots of style for the money, and not even really "base", that car has P2 which gave xenons, keyless go, etc, and wood wheel, maybe some other options too. Not known to be a very troublesome car, but a low mileage minter probably won't be insanely expensive itself. IIRC, for MY 2012 it received some ICE and engine updates.
    benjaminh said:

    2011 Mercedes 2-door E-class for 10.5k. Clean carfax. 115k miles. A lot of car for the money?

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 13,143

    I do like the ILX but really am wanting another hatch next time to be honest and it needs to be under 175" due to garage restraints. Looking like I might need to consider a GTI next go round as not much fits my parameters.

    Don’t forget about the Corolla hatch, Sandy. I might pester a car salesperson for a test drive one of these days.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 153,442

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    Sandy, if it is something you can do by you (oh heck, it is Florida, I assume you can do anything you feel like) drive the couple of contenders. That should give you the answer of what you want to drive. If it is one of the new ones, then just go get one and be happy!

    Like you said, not too many choices that hit your parameters. The Kona and Seltos do too probably. But maybe not luxurious for you? I do like the Mazda interior.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    speaking of older MBs, the Car Wizard just put up a video about the 2004ish SL500 he just bought for Mrs. Wizard. $5,500, with 130K on the clock. Overall, pretty solid shape. Needs various wear items (tires, brakes, ball joints, motor and trans mounts). He estimated that paying a shop, looking at $4-5K probably to get it all fixed up. Of course cheaper when you do the work yourself.

    Not a bad looking car either.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 5,225
    edited July 28
    The Mazda 3 looks good inside and out, but one drawback is that this generation has a torsion beam rear suspension.

    https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/12/why-the-h-ll-does-the-2020-mazda3-have-a-torsion-beam-rear-suspension-.html

    "Compared to multi-link suspensions, torsion beams are often mechanically simpler, can be lighter and are typically easier to package. That last point, in particular, can pay some important dividends, particularly in the area cargo space. Torsion beams usually sit lower in a vehicle, something that often allows for more trunk room.

    And this is also the case with the 2020 Mazda3. Beppu noted the new cargo hold is deeper and more accessible than before. He also said suitcases are easier to fit in there because of the space’s revised shape.

    Obviously, the humble torsion beam has its share of important benefits, but it’s still surprising that Mazda engineers opted to go with a suspension arrangement that doesn’t provide the best-possible dynamics. “So, if you were… driving around a circuit, [at a] track day or whatever, and you’re going around a high-G corner, of course, multi-link, in that particular instance, will have its advantage,” said Beppu. “But, if you think about real daily driving, the vast majority of cases there’s no difference between the two in this area.”


    I sometimes take the banked cloverleaf curves in my car, for instance, with a bit of speed, and so I do think there are real world advantages for some people in having an all-independent suspension. Even winding country roads, I assume, would benefit, not to mention roads that are bumpy. After building up a performance reputation for something like 20 years, I was surprised that Mazda did that, and imho it was a mistake.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 4,582
    ab348 said:

    I do like the ILX but really am wanting another hatch next time to be honest and it needs to be under 175" due to garage restraints. Looking like I might need to consider a GTI next go round as not much fits my parameters.

    Don’t forget about the Corolla hatch, Sandy. I might pester a car salesperson for a test drive one of these days.
    The Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and Mazda 3 are all pretty low slung. They work for me (the Volt is low too) but if I had back problems I would be switching to a higher seating vehicle like the Encore. Plenty of small subcompact SUVs to choose from these days!
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 15,611
    ab348 said:

    Changes afoot at Mercedes-Benz as they look to rationalize their model lineup:

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1123225_at-least-7-models-reportedly-face-the-ax-at-mercedes-benz

    Good. The less alphabet soup the better. With all the coupes and convertibles being axed I guess there will officially be no more fun with MB.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 15,611
    benjaminh said:

    2011 Mercedes 2-door E-class for 10.5k. Clean carfax. 115k miles. A lot of car for the money?

    https://www.acuraatoxmoor.com/used-Louisville-2011-Mercedes+Benz-E+Class-E+350+Base-WDDKJ5GB9BF094542

    Make sure to get an extended warranty.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    on the 3, very simple as noted. 99% of the buyers probably would never know (or care) about the rear suspension. But will appreciate having a bigger trunk. Plus, even with the simpler design, they still make the car handle and ride well (and handle better than the competition for the most part).

    sometimes, the reason to keep something is the optics (to say you have it). And there are some die hards that will complain loudly about change (like when Honda went away from double wishbones),

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 14,680
    K-Cars had beam rear axles. I guess they were underrated handlers. ;)
    2019 Lincoln MKZ Reserve 1, 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 15,611
    This guy needed the better handling. No beams for him.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 10,596
    edited July 29
    Hyundai with the 2017 redesign of the Elantra went to drum brakes in the rear for many of the trim levels.

    I thought it was kind of lame since our base model 08 Elantra had discs in the rear.

    Once I drove it, I realized it didn’t matter. Car stopped fine and it was one of the only cars I didn’t warp the rotors on.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 5,225
    edited July 29
    I did feel like my 2002 Accord, which was the last generation of Accord to have a double wishbone front suspension, handled a little bit better than our 2008, 2013, and 2016 Accords.

    But most reviews that I've looked at say the Mazda 3 has good handling.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Posts: 15,611
    edited July 29
    tjc78 said:

    Hyundai with the 2017 redesign of the Elantra went to drum brakes in the rear for many of the trim levels.

    I thought it was kind of lame since our base model 08 Elantra had discs in the rear.

    Once I drove it, I realized it didn’t matter. Car stopped fine and it was one of the only cars I didn’t warp the rotors on.

    I didn’t realize that. Kind of a cheap trick as most people would assume all cars have disc all around these days. Heck, even my throw away Kia has them. But you’re right, most people wouldn’t notice.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 14,680
    Our 04 Escape, rear drums, never needed new shoeing in the over 12 years/just under 150K we had it.
    2019 Lincoln MKZ Reserve 1, 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    I could never understand how drums are cheaper. They are so much more complex and parts-intensive.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    sda said:

    I do like the ILX but really am wanting another hatch next time to be honest and it needs to be under 175" due to garage restraints. Looking like I might need to consider a GTI next go round as not much fits my parameters. The Encore GX is 172" so that'll fit and might be the one as I'd like a different brand next time. As much as I like a sun/moon roof, the only real requirement is a good audio system, something like a Bose with a subwoofer and a number of speakers. My Fender system in the Golf is not bad actually and have enjoyed it. The Mazda CX-30 is also another good contender.
    With so many manufacturers going to CUV's and SUV's, doesn't leave much for folks like me that want a smallish vehicle. And just not sure I want to do another German vehicle again as I've had some issues that I feel should not have happened with the lowish mileage I've got. Luckily, that oil leak was finally fixed but knowing that both front axle boots are torn and need replacement is making me think of just trading it before and put that money towards something brand new. Even though my mileage/year has changed drastically, I might just test drive both the Buick & the Mazda and see which one "works". Hopefully they both have the 0% financing and 3 months first payment deferral still in effect. Think I should just get onto Truecar.com and get this ball rolling. No one says I have to purchase now but at least I'll have an idea about costs and which one will work. Just like the Golf, I'll know within a few minutes behind the wheel if it's a vehicle I can live with for the next five to eight years. And it might just show me that I should just keep the Golf and fix the axle boots and be done with it all. But, do I want to drive it another two to four years??? That's the million dollar question here!!!

    Take it for a second opinion about the axle boots. They could be pulling your tail.
    I agree; out of all the German vehicles I have owned I’ve only replaced the CV axle boots on one car- my Ford Scorpio- and I wish that was the only issue it suffered from.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    edited July 29
    Out of curiosity I emailed Dinan support and asked when/if a flash tune would be available for the B46 motor in the G20 330i. I received a prompt response and was advised that they just obtained a car for evaluation.
    Now, I know that the proof is in the actual test times, but I crunched some numbers and calculated power to weight and torque to weight ratios of a stock RWD 330i, a stock M340i xDrive, and a stock RWD M235i. Surprisingly, the G20 3 Series is only 158 pounds heavier than my 2 Series, so a 50 lb-ft bump in torque on the 330i would give it an identical torque to weight ratio to the M235i. Based on other Dinan B46/B48 tunes a 50 lb-ft increase is probably easily accomplished with a 93 octane flash tune. If I could cut the 0-60 and the quarter mile ET by at least 0.5 seconds I’d be happy, and a tune might just manage that. Another positive is that the flash tune will be relatively inexpensive(likely less than $800 installed) and there are no warranty issues.
    Would I like an M2C or M340i? You bet- but to take that route I’m looking at another $12k at a minimum. So I think I’m going to drive the 330i and see how I like it- and possibly the Indigo Edition Stinger.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,987

    Out of curiosity I emailed Dinan support and asked when/if a flash tune would be available for the B46 motor in the G20 330i. I received a prompt response and was advised that they just obtained a car for evaluation.
    Now, I know that the proof is in the actual test times, but I crunched some numbers and calculated power to weight and torque to weight ratios of a stock RWD 330i, a stock M340i xDrive, and a stock RWD M235i. Surprisingly, the G20 3 Series is only 158 pounds heavier than my 2 Series, so a 50 lb-ft bump in torque on the 330i would give it an identical torque to weight ratio to the M235i. Based on other Dinan B46/B48 tunes a 50 lb-ft increase is probably easily accomplished with a 93 octane flash tune. If I could cut the 0-60 and the quarter mile ET by at least 0.5 seconds I’d be happy, and a tune might just manage that. Another positive is that the flash tune will be relatively inexpensive(likely less than $800 installed) and there are no warranty issues.
    Would I like an M2C or M340i? You bet- but to take that route I’m looking at another $12k at a minimum. So I think I’m going to drive the 330i and see how I like it- and possibly the Indigo Edition Stinger.

    Speed aside, would you be happy with the driving dynamics of the 3 vs. your 2 series?
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road DC - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 6,800
    And one step further - would you be happy with the sounds/feeling of the B46 vs. the N55?
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 12,368
    stickguy said:

    speaking of older MBs, the Car Wizard just put up a video about the 2004ish SL500 he just bought for Mrs. Wizard. $5,500, with 130K on the clock. Overall, pretty solid shape. Needs various wear items (tires, brakes, ball joints, motor and trans mounts). He estimated that paying a shop, looking at $4-5K probably to get it all fixed up. Of course cheaper when you do the work yourself.

    Not a bad looking car either.

    I just watched that last night. It is a pretty nice car for its age. But, as he said, if you can’t do the work yourself, it’s not going to be a good experience. But, I think he said brakes, tires, tie rod ends, a driver’s seat leather repair, were the biggest jobs on it. The rest works fine.
    2019 Kia Stinger GT2
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,994
    That and a couple strut ball joints or some such.

    Would have been a great wheeler dealers car.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

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