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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,918

    @mjfloyd1 said:

    @tjc78 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    @stickguy said:
    There was something odd about that. At least based on what the Acura told me when I went to lease they TLX and had the Elantra I wanted to trade in. IIRC it might have been capped at a lower amount? But something made it so that I would get a much lower tax credit offset than if I was buying it. I think less that even applying it to the total payments (I have $400 in my head vs. about $1,200 if I was buying). Of course they could have been wrong, or I just interpreted differently.

    We get taxed on depreciation plus non-taxed fees plus interest plus taxable incentives. So if total tax on the lease comes to $1k, then you can benefit up to $1k from a trade, provided it is worth enough. If worth too much, then, yes, you lose out on some vs buying. So if said trade is worth $30k, that is a a hair under $2k potential tax savings, but applying to example above, you realize only $1k of that and throw the rest away.

    Shame that overage couldn’t be a CCR.

    What does Credence Clearwater Revival have to do with this?

    @mjfloyd1 said:

    @tjc78 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    @stickguy said:
    There was something odd about that. At least based on what the Acura told me when I went to lease they TLX and had the Elantra I wanted to trade in. IIRC it might have been capped at a lower amount? But something made it so that I would get a much lower tax credit offset than if I was buying it. I think less that even applying it to the total payments (I have $400 in my head vs. about $1,200 if I was buying). Of course they could have been wrong, or I just interpreted differently.

    We get taxed on depreciation plus non-taxed fees plus interest plus taxable incentives. So if total tax on the lease comes to $1k, then you can benefit up to $1k from a trade, provided it is worth enough. If worth too much, then, yes, you lose out on some vs buying. So if said trade is worth $30k, that is a a hair under $2k potential tax savings, but applying to example above, you realize only $1k of that and throw the rest away.

    Shame that overage couldn’t be a CCR.

    What does Credence Clearwater Revival have to do with this?

    Ha ha

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    CCRrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    Looks like the Jeep dealership is only 3 hours from the Toledo wrangler plant. That should speed things up

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,940

    @henryn said:
    You get taxed on "non taxed fees"? This makes my head hurt.

    Sorry. Not what I meant to write. It is non-govt fees.

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,498
    Saw this on AutoSpies - wow!


  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,162
    Surprised there's not a Monroney exemption for such a low volume car. Also surprised the mpg is so good.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,918

    Awesome to see it back on the road. Looks good

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,918

    @fintail said:
    Surprised there's not a Monroney exemption for such a low volume car. Also surprised the mpg is so good.

    If you are driving it as intended I’m sure it will be much lower.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    @qbrozen said:
    She is ready for a roundtrip to visit the in-laws today. I didn’t get to the wheels, nor did I wax her yet. Too darned hot out.


    I wish you luck on your maiden post fix journey

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,660
    carnaught said:

    Saw this on AutoSpies - wow!


    That’s funny that on a $4 million car they bother to tell you that you’ll spend $17,000 more on gas over 5 years.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,660
    qbrozen said:

    She is ready for a roundtrip to visit the in-laws today. I didn’t get to the wheels, nor did I wax her yet. Too darned hot out.


    Good to see some pictures. Was it worth all the hassle?


    What am I saying, of course it was. :p

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,539
    good luck, hope you make it!

    remind me, what is the short answer to what ended up being wrong with it that you finally fixed?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,940

    It was one of the silly split metal rings on the VVT timer thingy. Had to order a whole new one for $80 since they don’t sell the rings separately.

    Made it here with no drama. TPMS warning came up after 20 mins but that is nothing new.

    Here is a pic of what was the offending part. I’m attempting to point to where those rings are.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,162
    Is the ML63 blue? Capri Blue?

    Those will be rare sometime, as the mechanical Achilles Heel continues to exist, and fewer owners will be willing/able to repair it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
    @qbrozen,
    That red piece is a jig to keep the cams in the right position?
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,162
    Those numbers look like real world numbers for some 60s/70s era cars. I'd expect half that for spirited driving in a Veyron.
    tjc78 said:

    @fintail said:

    Surprised there's not a Monroney exemption for such a low volume car. Also surprised the mpg is so good.

    If you are driving it as intended I’m sure it will be much lower.


  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 237,055
    Doesn't a Veyron run out of gas in 12 minutes, at top speed?

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,265
    kyfdx said:


    Yep the federal tax credit due to it being a hybrid is only deductible up to your federal tax burden/ liability.

    I could have really used that in 2019, but never found a deal where I could buy a plug-in and immediately resell it for more than the OTD price less tax credit.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,940

    @explorerx4 said:
    @qbrozen,
    That red piece is a jig to keep the cams in the right position?

    Close. The black bar you see peeking out behind the cam adjusters is the cam retainer. The red plate is to align those front oil phasers. Both of those, plus a straight bar that crosses the rear of the cams.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,265
    On the Veyron, is the "gas guzzler tax" not a thing anymore, or are they allowed to include it in the base MSRP now instead of a separate line item on the sticker?
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    @qbrozen said:
    It was one of the silly split metal rings on the VVT timer thingy. Had to order a whole new one for $80 since they don’t sell the rings separately.

    Made it here with no drama. TPMS warning came up after 20 mins but that is nothing new.

    Here is a pic of what was the offending part. I’m attempting to point to where those rings are.

    The real trick is making it back home with no drama :)

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,793
    mjfloyd1 said:

    I think current doc fee cap is $200 - they are charging $199.99 :)

    That's a generous deal!
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276
    edited June 2021

    @corvette - I have a friend here selling a Saab convertible but I can’t PM you…

    2006 2.0t with 106k miles. AT , silver with light grey interior , new front struts, springs and strut mounts. Asking $6200. Says clean carfax

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,265
    mjfloyd1 said:

    @corvette - I have a friend here selling a Saab convertible but I can’t PM you…

    2006 2.0t with 106k miles. AT , silver with light grey interior , new front struts, springs and strut mounts. Asking $6200. Says clean carfax

    @mjfloyd1 - Interesting! And a fair asking price... Not really a "convertible person" but I figure I should own one at some point (which I haven't, yet). Where is it located?

    Mods - I can't seem to send/receive PMs either, but can see my old ones. Am I a suspected spammer due to my post count, or in timeout for other bad behavior?
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276
    edited June 2021

    Bloomington IN. I’m thinking you are near Cincinnati so if that’s the case it is just a couple of hours.

    I assumed you were looking for a “more desirable wagon or convertible “.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,660
    qbrozen said:

    It was one of the silly split metal rings on the VVT timer thingy. Had to order a whole new one for $80 since they don’t sell the rings separately.

    Made it here with no drama. TPMS warning came up after 20 mins but that is nothing new.

    Here is a pic of what was the offending part. I’m attempting to point to where those rings are.

    I still say that would have been a great YT video series. Call it “qbrozen’s garage”.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,660
    corvette said:

    On the Veyron, is the "gas guzzler tax" not a thing anymore, or are they allowed to include it in the base MSRP now instead of a separate line item on the sticker?

    The sticker says the base price includes $6400 for gas guzzler tax and import duties.

    A pittance for you rich guys.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
    I want to know what the 220K sport split option is.
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 237,055
    corvette said:

    mjfloyd1 said:

    @corvette - I have a friend here selling a Saab convertible but I can’t PM you…

    2006 2.0t with 106k miles. AT , silver with light grey interior , new front struts, springs and strut mounts. Asking $6200. Says clean carfax

    @mjfloyd1 - Interesting! And a fair asking price... Not really a "convertible person" but I figure I should own one at some point (which I haven't, yet). Where is it located?

    Mods - I can't seem to send/receive PMs either, but can see my old ones. Am I a suspected spammer due to my post count, or in timeout for other bad behavior?
    Temporary issue: system wide

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    @corvette check your PM

    If you are not on Facebook, I can give you a phone number.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,355

    I drove the M235i to Nashville for the Ally 400. The weekend jaunt just confirmed what a versatile and entertaining car it is. It’s reasonably quick, handles great, and is still comfortable and economical enough to take on longer trips. So with M2 Comp prices bordering on the ridiculous I’m considering consolidating the fleet- my wonderful bride suggested replacing the TJ and Clubman with a 4xe Rubicon.
    So that’s a thought.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    @roadburner

    https://www.autoweek.com/news/sports-cars/a36767600/drift-happy-video-toyota-gazoo-racing/?source=nl&utm_campaign=nl24212579&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,539
    edited June 2021
    That was cute

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,390
    Can you really get rid of the TJ? It is practically a member of the family at this point.
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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    tifighter said:

    I'll say it again, it's becoming a hot 4xe summer.

    I wonder if they can keep up with demand? Most automakers are not able to do so right now.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,355
    mjfloyd1 said:

    @roadburner

    https://www.autoweek.com/news/sports-cars/a36767600/drift-happy-video-toyota-gazoo-racing/?source=nl&utm_campaign=nl24212579&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

    Finally- a clever and entertaining ad from Toyota.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,355
    28firefighter said:

    Can you really get rid of the TJ? It is practically a member of the family at this point.

    I know...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,539
    Real answer is, build a pole barn, and keep them all.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,793
    stickguy said:

    Real answer is, build a pole barn, and keep them all.

    What a spectacular idea! :D
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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,604
    henryn said:

    tifighter said:

    I'll say it again, it's becoming a hot 4xe summer.

    I wonder if they can keep up with demand? Most automakers are not able to do so right now.
    I have to think that Stellantis would prioritize parts for their highest margin vehicles. The Wrangler definitely falls into that category.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,276

    Well, I agreed to a build on a 4xe Sahara. I’m trading my daughter’s 2017 Accord. They wanted <1000 miles added to the accord so they would give me a loaner until the Wrangler arrived. Seemed weird but whatever. It was only an hour drive from where I worked today so I headed up.

    What a cluster at the dealer. They looked at the accord and agreed to the price. Then I sat for over an hour. He came back with the manager and said that I could keep driving the accord and not worry about any extra miles put on it. I asked that that tidbit be added to the contract and they did and signed it.

    Then I notice there are three trades listed and the contract does not specify which one. That got corrected.

    Then they run my credit card for $500 deposit on order but the purchase agreement said $0 cash down so I made them change it again.

    The sales guy wanted me to not worry any of those things because he assured me that he would do the delivery- so I asked him what would happen if he was hurt in an accident, quit or was fired. Awkward silence then he smiled and fixed everything.

    Finally the manager signed it all - and put the year as 2020.

    Seriously

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,660
    mjfloyd1 said:

    I also had a $1000 bonus cash coupon from Jeep that was emailed to me. They ended up just reducing the price by $1000.

    Ended up with 10.1% off MSRP plus the $7500 federal tax credit.

    Spectacular.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
    Is Jeep that scared of the Bronco?
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,355
    After inheriting my dad's 1973 Bronco I'm definitely scared of a Bronco... ;)

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    mjfloyd1 said:

    I also had a $1000 bonus cash coupon from Jeep that was emailed to me. They ended up just reducing the price by $1000.

    Ended up with 10.1% off MSRP plus the $7500 federal tax credit.

    Wow. That's all I can say is just Wow. No wonder this is the third one sold or leased here in the last month or so. I have no real interest in a 4 door Wrangler and I'm still tempted. :p
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,090
    henryn said:

    mjfloyd1 said:

    I also had a $1000 bonus cash coupon from Jeep that was emailed to me. They ended up just reducing the price by $1000.

    Ended up with 10.1% off MSRP plus the $7500 federal tax credit.

    Wow. That's all I can say is just Wow. No wonder this is the third one sold or leased here in the last month or so. I have no real interest in a 4 door Wrangler and I'm still tempted. :p
    Just be patient. A high percentage of new Wranglers sold end up on the used market in short order. I get the sense that the idea of owning a Wrangler is much more powerful than the reality of living with one for some significant number of people.

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