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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029

    No Mini should ever be $46k.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,500
    Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid :open_mouth:

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043
    corvette said:

    New review of the AWD VW ID.4 on TTAC today. The AWD has more horsepower and seems to be decently quick. The state of the fast charging infrastructure in the US, especially for non-Tesla vehicles, would make it a difficult proposition for a road trip. The RAV4 Prime has a lower starting price, the same tax credit, and will get you 40+ miles of zero emission driving, with the flexibility of using regular gas on longer trips.

    And it is a Toyota.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,523
    My sister and her husband came up to the Cleveland area to my grandson's Birthday party in their A3 PHEV.
    Complained that they couldn't find any convenient places to plug it in.
    I did a few minutes of searching and didn't find any hotels that had charging stations.
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029
    au1994 said:

    Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid :open_mouth:

    The Jeep is overpriced, at MSRP. But what does that say about the Mini? the Jeep offers WAY more in comparison.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,500
    edited September 17
    Got a break in the rain last night so we popped the freedom panels out for the ride home from lacrosse practice. Our son got to drive getting many hoots and hollers from teammates as we left. Everyone was smiling on a cool late summer evening.

    Definitely a good choice.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,500
    qbrozen said:

    au1994 said:

    Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid :open_mouth:

    The Jeep is overpriced, at MSRP. But what does that say about the Mini? the Jeep offers WAY more in comparison.
    Just messin’ with ya! Everything is just more expensive these days. The prices on full sized trucks just blows me away for instance. So does the price creep on the 3 series. I don’t even think my 2011 328 coupe was over 40k? It was pretty basic but I don’t think you can sniff a 3 series for much under 50k.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 3,882
    My on board nav directed me to two pretty much unmarked free charging stations at Mohegan Sun. Of course, a non-electric was parked in one of the spots. But, the next day a Tesla was charging in it. As I had a full charge, I moved my car to a regular spot and returned to the casino to continue to donate to the reparations fund.

    A fond, but bittersweet adieu to my '13 Jaguar XF. And so, I present this laurel, and hearty handshake to the new boss; '21 Audi A7 PHEV. '09 Jag XK , '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco ; all special to me. And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... I've yet to buy a car I didn't like. Although, do I really want to drive a car that would have someone such as me as its owner?

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,036

    My on board nav directed me to two pretty much unmarked free charging stations at Mohegan Sun. Of course, a non-electric was parked in one of the spots. But, the next day a Tesla was charging in it. As I had a full charge, I moved my car to a regular spot and returned to the casino to continue to donate to the reparations fund.

    What are the laws regarding non EVs parking in a charging station slot? Can you get them ticketed, towed or do you just key the heck out of them?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,113

    Hahahaha.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,113
    edited September 17

    Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,500

    Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

    I know. Shocking how low some dealers are. The BMW dealer I used is a big one (owned by Penske) and when I checked the other day…10 3 series.

    Yesterday the CDJR dealer had 1 Grand Cherokee L, 2 Gladiators and 0 Wranglers. Looked like they had a handful of Ram’s but they were in back. Fair amount of used inventory though and heavy on the trucks.

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,808

    @28firefighter said:
    Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

    Yep, selling one and making a profit does you no good if you can’t replace it.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 15,916
    It might be useful at this stage if there was a list somewhere of those manufacturers/models that are still being produced. I was in an area of town today that I don't often get to these days and the Subaru, Hyundai, M-B and Toyota dealers all seemed to have plenty of inventory. But other brands have mostly empty lots.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029




    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    those are some serious meats.

    keeping the old tires on the shelf in case you need to put something on to return the lease?

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 16,523
    So when are you going to put the orange flower baskets on it? ;)
    2020 Ford Explorer XLT
  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,875
    I think those are the same Bridgestones I have on the Tundra. They are poor in the snow and somewhat iffy in rain. You probably did the right thing putting something better on during most or all of the lease. I think I will get through my lease without them wearing out.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029

    @stickguy said:
    those are some serious meats.

    keeping the old tires on the shelf in case you need to put something on to return the lease?

    Yup

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Pittsburgh areaMember Posts: 3,482
    ab348 said:

    stickguy said:

    Basement should be easier. Don’t have to be as exact. And can spot use it for the really bad spots.

    Up here a bag of self-leveling is about $30 Cdn. That does 40 sq ft at 1/8" thickness. So many you will use a lot of it if there is a lot of uneven slab to deal with.
    qbrozen said:




    Yes sir general sir. I know a short cut that I can use to get you there on time. ;)

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis just like jmonroe, '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043

    Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    killing time I was wondering about inventory. Nearby Toyota dealer has 88 cars listed in new inventory, including 16 tacos. Only one with pictures, so who knows where the rest are!

    did discover they have a pretty slick on-line modelling and purchase application that I tried out. Pick the car, and model all your finance and purchase options. click on years and miles (for a lease) and a slider for $ DAS and see your payment. Apparently there is also a button to "buy now" but I decided not to click on that!

    seems that they are at least selling at MSRP, since that was used for both purchase or lease. Better than a lot of places.

    was surprised that the leases were not as absurd as a lot these days (though not as good as the glory days of that one bank). a 4 door SR5, MSRP ~$39,100 was a 36/10 of $442 with $1,100 DAS. A TRD sport premium, sticker a touch over $45k, was about $512 with same DAS.

    not that far off the 1% target. I probably should have driven one of those at some point (still plenty of time!) since the Maverick is probably going to lease out at about the same as the SR5.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 54,204
    Spokane MB dealer has 2 new passenger cars in stock. Two. Both C-class. Otherwise a handful of CUVs/SUVs and some Sprinters. Nothing else new.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043

    @stickguy

    My best friend owns a few restaurants. One of his delivery vehicles (2019 Prius L Eco w/ 80K miles) was sitting in a parking lot that filled up with water during Ida. It drove for 3 days, then had a “hybrid system failure” light when they went to drive it the 4th day. Water seeped into the carpet, and made its way into the hybrid battery pack. Car is totaled. He’s trying to decide what he should replace the Prius with as a secondary delivery vehicle. He also has a 2020 Corolla Hybrid as a primary delivery vehicle.

    He might go with another Prius, although there aren’t any L Eco models in our area. He might go with an SR Tacoma (Access Cab/Long Bed 4cyl) for about the same price.

    One dealer he called is getting $2K above sticker on all vehicles (plus an $800 conveyance fee). Another dealer is getting sticker for every car (plus a $1000 conveyance fee).

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    the Maverick reservation/ordering system is actually a good thing now. I don't think any dealers are able to surcharge, because buyers will just move on to the next place that isn't. I was surprised to see this Toyota dealer selling at sticker.

    speaking about Maverick, I was debating with the wife whether I should have added more options (meaning spend more money!) Her opinion was she would have just gotten everything, just in case. Lady must be made of money I don't know about! So I emailed the contact at my dealer, asking if they could make any changes to my order (even though they accepted it with a build date and VIN).

    I figured No, and he confirmed it, but said he was happy to order an "additional" one for me. I did not Email back to make sure, but seems that I would not have to cancel the first one. I guess dealer is happy to guarantee at least 1 stock unit out of me! Not sure what Ford will think about it though since require a DL so would be easy to tell they were double booking me.

    Don't think I will but could always change my mind at any point and do it.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,113

    @tifighter said:
    Punch completed. Back to the future.

    Digging the driveway stone. The car, too.

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    tifighter said:

    Punch completed. Back to the future.

    nice color.

    is the BMW gone yet?

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,875
    @nyccarguy - would a Prius Prime or used Volt be beneficial for your friend (especially if he has a location to charge them)?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043

    At another location, he does have a Prius Prime which gets a solid 10 mpg better than the Prius L Eco. The Prime doesn’t have a spare tire and doesn’t have a fully flat floor with the seats folded.

    He’s owned/leased way too many GM cars to trust them for his business.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 8,113

    @nyccarguy said:
    My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

    You won’t regret it IMO

    2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+, 2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4xE, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    nyccarguy said:

    My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

    Hmm. maybe I should be talking to him instead of a Ford dealer!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,875
    stickguy said:


    Hmm. maybe I should be talking to him instead of a Ford dealer!

    I'd probably pull the trigger if my Tundra were closer to the end of its lease.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 196,093
    Are the 4xe's still leasing well?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924
    If Bradd is considering it, they must be!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029

    @nyccarguy said:
    My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

    Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029

    @nyccarguy said:
    Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

    Nankang MT-1 Conqueror
    Got them on ebay. $900 for the set of 5.

    I don’t HAVE to get the speedo recalibrated, but I probably will. I wasn’t going to worry about the speed differential, but it would appear to be messing with the TPMS. Was reading about 7-8% lower than what my manual gauge tells me.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043

    @qbrozen said:

    @nyccarguy said:
    My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

    Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

    Depends on the MSRP

    Sahara & High Altitude

    7.5 off for less than $58,500
    8 off for up to $60,500
    8.5 off for more than $60,500

    Rubicons are 7.5 or 8 off depending on the MSRP

    It’s definitely not the cheapest deal out there. Especially since there is a bump in money factor. The dealer is 1 state away and I won’t have to pay for shipping.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 15,043
    edited September 17

    @Michaell said:
    Are the 4xe's still leasing well?

    So they aren’t as cheap as @28firefighter’s deal for sure. I think there have been 2 MSRP price hikes and some optional equipment made standard since he ordered his. Considering what’s going on as far as automotive sales with a lot of Cars going for MSRP or even MSRP plus. Also it’s a Wrangler which means it will hold its value quite well. It’s the deal in this market.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,933
    stickguy said:

    the Maverick reservation/ordering system is actually a good thing now. I don't think any dealers are able to surcharge, because buyers will just move on to the next place that isn't. I was surprised to see this Toyota dealer selling at sticker.

    speaking about Maverick, I was debating with the wife whether I should have added more options (meaning spend more money!) Her opinion was she would have just gotten everything, just in case. Lady must be made of money I don't know about! So I emailed the contact at my dealer, asking if they could make any changes to my order (even though they accepted it with a build date and VIN).

    I figured No, and he confirmed it, but said he was happy to order an "additional" one for me. I did not Email back to make sure, but seems that I would not have to cancel the first one. I guess dealer is happy to guarantee at least 1 stock unit out of me! Not sure what Ford will think about it though since require a DL so would be easy to tell they were double booking me.

    Don't think I will but could always change my mind at any point and do it.

    And this is probably why it makes sense for this dealer to sell Mavericks for the seemingly crazy price of 4% below invoice. A certain number of people will change their order, or just not complete their purchase, and then they have a Maverick to sell in this market where a new vehicle is quite valuable.

    For what little it's worth, I feel like you should stick with your current Maverick. You still have payments on the RDX for a few years, and so unless you're made of money it seems like it makes sense to keep the payments somewhat lower on the second vehicle. With the discount you got, you're only a few thousand above your goal of 25k. But with TTL the real price of your Maverick will be close to 30k. And before that weren't you thinking of getting a low-cost used car so that you wouldn't have two big car payments at the same time? Seems like what's more important than heated seats is just having a good vehicle that might help with a potential move. And as the chip shortage gets worse, it's not clear how easy it will be to get another Maverick if you let this one go.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 5,933
    edited September 18
    @nyccarguy

    Would you be able to sell your Pilot at a nice price as part of this deal? If so, seems like it might make sense.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,808

    @benjaminh said:
    @nyccarguy

    Would you be able to sell your Pilot at a nice price as part of this deal? If so, seems like it might make sense.

    I think he still needs a three row vehicle.

    2020 Volvo XC90 T6 Momentum / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 43,924

    So a Sahara with a $59k (ouch!) sticker probably ends up around $500/month for 10k miles and $1000 DAS? Roughly.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 30,029

    @nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen said:

    @nyccarguy said:
    My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

    Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

    Depends on the MSRP

    Sahara & High Altitude

    7.5 off for less than $58,500
    8 off for up to $60,500
    8.5 off for more than $60,500

    Rubicons are 7.5 or 8 off depending on the MSRP

    It’s definitely not the cheapest deal out there. Especially since there is a bump in money factor. The dealer is 1 state away and I won’t have to pay for shipping.

    The broker i used is 10% off for $60k+ builds. So an extra 2%, which is $1200, which is more than I paid for shipping, fyi. It is shipping and broker fee combined, however. BUT, $250 doc fee helps AND sold order protection, meaning the sale price, RV, and MF are locked at time of order. I have yet to find another dealer willing to do that.

    '21 Wrangler 4xE, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '14 Town&Country Limited, '10 Escape XLT v6. 56-car history and counting!

  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,500
    Love the tires @qbrozen

    C’mon join the cult…er…club @nyccarguy!!

    2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
    2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 19,036
    edited September 18
    qbrozen said:

    @nyccarguy said:

    Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

    Nankang MT-1 Conqueror

    Got them on ebay. $900 for the set of 5.

    I don’t HAVE to get the speedo recalibrated, but I probably will. I wasn’t going to worry about the speed differential, but it would appear to be messing with the TPMS. Was reading about 7-8% lower than what my manual gauge tells me.


    I always wondered how you recalibrate the speedo on a modern car. Is it as simple as tweaking it with a scan tool? I think in the old days it involved changing gears or something on the cable.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2004 Chevy Van, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

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