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qbrozen · September 17

No Mini should ever be $46k.

au1994 · September 17

Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid

nyccarguy · September 17

corvette said:
New review of the AWD VW ID.4 on TTAC today. The AWD has more horsepower and seems to be decently quick. The state of the fast charging infrastructure in the US, especially for non-Tesla vehicles, would make it a difficult proposition for a road trip. The RAV4 Prime has a lower starting price, the same tax credit, and will get you 40+ miles of zero emission driving, with the flexibility of using regular gas on longer trips.

And it is a Toyota.

explorerx4 · September 17

My sister and her husband came up to the Cleveland area to my grandson's Birthday party in their A3 PHEV.
Complained that they couldn't find any convenient places to plug it in.
I did a few minutes of searching and didn't find any hotels that had charging stations.

qbrozen · September 17

au1994 said:
Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid

The Jeep is overpriced, at MSRP. But what does that say about the Mini? the Jeep offers WAY more in comparison.

au1994 · September 17

Got a break in the rain last night so we popped the freedom panels out for the ride home from lacrosse practice. Our son got to drive getting many hoots and hollers from teammates as we left. Everyone was smiling on a cool late summer evening.

Definitely a good choice.

au1994 · September 17

qbrozen said:

au1994 said:
Thats how I used to feel about Jeep’s costing what we paid
The Jeep is overpriced, at MSRP. But what does that say about the Mini? the Jeep offers WAY more in comparison.

Just messin’ with ya! Everything is just more expensive these days. The prices on full sized trucks just blows me away for instance. So does the price creep on the 3 series. I don’t even think my 2011 328 coupe was over 40k? It was pretty basic but I don’t think you can sniff a 3 series for much under 50k.

laurasdada · September 17

My on board nav directed me to two pretty much unmarked free charging stations at Mohegan Sun. Of course, a non-electric was parked in one of the spots. But, the next day a Tesla was charging in it. As I had a full charge, I moved my car to a regular spot and returned to the casino to continue to donate to the reparations fund.

oldfarmer50 · September 17

laurasdada said:
My on board nav directed me to two pretty much unmarked free charging stations at Mohegan Sun. Of course, a non-electric was parked in one of the spots. But, the next day a Tesla was charging in it. As I had a full charge, I moved my car to a regular spot and returned to the casino to continue to donate to the reparations fund.

What are the laws regarding non EVs parking in a charging station slot? Can you get them ticketed, towed or do you just key the heck out of them?

28firefighter · September 17

Re ran the Outback through CarMax. Officially worth more than we paid for it. Equity went up.

au1994 · September 17

28firefighter said:
Re ran the Outback through CarMax. Officially worth more than we paid for it. Equity went up.

Sell, sell, sell! Then just get the 4xe wet and viola! Another Jeep appears. Just don’t feed it after midnight.

28firefighter · September 17

Hahahaha.

28firefighter · September 17

Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

au1994 · September 17

28firefighter said:
Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

I know. Shocking how low some dealers are. The BMW dealer I used is a big one (owned by Penske) and when I checked the other day…10 3 series.

Yesterday the CDJR dealer had 1 Grand Cherokee L, 2 Gladiators and 0 Wranglers. Looked like they had a handful of Ram’s but they were in back. Fair amount of used inventory though and heavy on the trucks.

tjc78 · September 17

@28firefighter said:
Seriously though, there is nothing to get. I can’t sell it now and wait for another Jeep to get here in 9 weeks.

Yep, selling one and making a profit does you no good if you can’t replace it.

ab348 · September 17

It might be useful at this stage if there was a list somewhere of those manufacturers/models that are still being produced. I was in an area of town today that I don't often get to these days and the Subaru, Hyundai, M-B and Toyota dealers all seemed to have plenty of inventory. But other brands have mostly empty lots.

qbrozen · September 17

qbrozen · September 17

stickguy · September 17

those are some serious meats.

keeping the old tires on the shelf in case you need to put something on to return the lease?

explorerx4 · September 17

So when are you going to put the orange flower baskets on it?

corvette · September 17

I think those are the same Bridgestones I have on the Tundra. They are poor in the snow and somewhat iffy in rain. You probably did the right thing putting something better on during most or all of the lease. I think I will get through my lease without them wearing out.

qbrozen · September 17

@stickguy said:
those are some serious meats.

keeping the old tires on the shelf in case you need to put something on to return the lease?

Yup

jmonroe1 · September 17

ab348 said:

stickguy said:
Basement should be easier. Don’t have to be as exact. And can spot use it for the really bad spots.
Up here a bag of self-leveling is about $30 Cdn. That does 40 sq ft at 1/8" thickness. So many you will use a lot of it if there is a lot of uneven slab to deal with.

qbrozen said:

Yes sir general sir. I know a short cut that I can use to get you there on time.

jmonroe

nyccarguy · September 17

Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

stickguy · September 17

killing time I was wondering about inventory. Nearby Toyota dealer has 88 cars listed in new inventory, including 16 tacos. Only one with pictures, so who knows where the rest are!

did discover they have a pretty slick on-line modelling and purchase application that I tried out. Pick the car, and model all your finance and purchase options. click on years and miles (for a lease) and a slider for $ DAS and see your payment. Apparently there is also a button to "buy now" but I decided not to click on that!

seems that they are at least selling at MSRP, since that was used for both purchase or lease. Better than a lot of places.

was surprised that the leases were not as absurd as a lot these days (though not as good as the glory days of that one bank). a 4 door SR5, MSRP ~$39,100 was a 36/10 of $442 with $1,100 DAS. A TRD sport premium, sticker a touch over $45k, was about $512 with same DAS.

not that far off the 1% target. I probably should have driven one of those at some point (still plenty of time!) since the Maverick is probably going to lease out at about the same as the SR5.

fintail · September 17

Spokane MB dealer has 2 new passenger cars in stock. Two. Both C-class. Otherwise a handful of CUVs/SUVs and some Sprinters. Nothing else new.

nyccarguy · September 17

@stickguy

My best friend owns a few restaurants. One of his delivery vehicles (2019 Prius L Eco w/ 80K miles) was sitting in a parking lot that filled up with water during Ida. It drove for 3 days, then had a “hybrid system failure” light when they went to drive it the 4th day. Water seeped into the carpet, and made its way into the hybrid battery pack. Car is totaled. He’s trying to decide what he should replace the Prius with as a secondary delivery vehicle. He also has a 2020 Corolla Hybrid as a primary delivery vehicle.

He might go with another Prius, although there aren’t any L Eco models in our area. He might go with an SR Tacoma (Access Cab/Long Bed 4cyl) for about the same price.

One dealer he called is getting $2K above sticker on all vehicles (plus an $800 conveyance fee). Another dealer is getting sticker for every car (plus a $1000 conveyance fee).

tifighter · September 17

Punch completed. Back to the future.

stickguy · September 17

the Maverick reservation/ordering system is actually a good thing now. I don't think any dealers are able to surcharge, because buyers will just move on to the next place that isn't. I was surprised to see this Toyota dealer selling at sticker.

speaking about Maverick, I was debating with the wife whether I should have added more options (meaning spend more money!) Her opinion was she would have just gotten everything, just in case. Lady must be made of money I don't know about! So I emailed the contact at my dealer, asking if they could make any changes to my order (even though they accepted it with a build date and VIN).

I figured No, and he confirmed it, but said he was happy to order an "additional" one for me. I did not Email back to make sure, but seems that I would not have to cancel the first one. I guess dealer is happy to guarantee at least 1 stock unit out of me! Not sure what Ford will think about it though since require a DL so would be easy to tell they were double booking me.

Don't think I will but could always change my mind at any point and do it.

28firefighter · September 17

@tifighter said:
Punch completed. Back to the future.

Digging the driveway stone. The car, too.

stickguy · September 17

tifighter said:
Punch completed. Back to the future.

nice color.

is the BMW gone yet?

corvette · September 17

@nyccarguy - would a Prius Prime or used Volt be beneficial for your friend (especially if he has a location to charge them)?

nyccarguy · September 17

At another location, he does have a Prius Prime which gets a solid 10 mpg better than the Prius L Eco. The Prime doesn’t have a spare tire and doesn’t have a fully flat floor with the seats folded.

He’s owned/leased way too many GM cars to trust them for his business.

nyccarguy · September 17

My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

28firefighter · September 17

@nyccarguy said:
My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

You won’t regret it IMO

stickguy · September 17

nyccarguy said:
My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

Hmm. maybe I should be talking to him instead of a Ford dealer!

corvette · September 17

stickguy said:

Hmm. maybe I should be talking to him instead of a Ford dealer!

I'd probably pull the trigger if my Tundra were closer to the end of its lease.

Michaell · September 17

Are the 4xe's still leasing well?

stickguy · September 17

If Bradd is considering it, they must be!

qbrozen · September 17

@nyccarguy said:
My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

qbrozen · September 17

@nyccarguy said:
Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

Nankang MT-1 Conqueror
Got them on ebay. $900 for the set of 5.

I don’t HAVE to get the speedo recalibrated, but I probably will. I wasn’t going to worry about the speed differential, but it would appear to be messing with the TPMS. Was reading about 7-8% lower than what my manual gauge tells me.

nyccarguy · September 17

@qbrozen said:

@nyccarguy said:
My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

Depends on the MSRP

Sahara & High Altitude

7.5 off for less than $58,500
8 off for up to $60,500
8.5 off for more than $60,500

Rubicons are 7.5 or 8 off depending on the MSRP

It’s definitely not the cheapest deal out there. Especially since there is a bump in money factor. The dealer is 1 state away and I won’t have to pay for shipping.

nyccarguy · September 17

@Michaell said:
Are the 4xe's still leasing well?

So they aren’t as cheap as @28firefighter’s deal for sure. I think there have been 2 MSRP price hikes and some optional equipment made standard since he ordered his. Considering what’s going on as far as automotive sales with a lot of Cars going for MSRP or even MSRP plus. Also it’s a Wrangler which means it will hold its value quite well. It’s the deal in this market.

benjaminh · September 18

stickguy said:
the Maverick reservation/ordering system is actually a good thing now. I don't think any dealers are able to surcharge, because buyers will just move on to the next place that isn't. I was surprised to see this Toyota dealer selling at sticker.

speaking about Maverick, I was debating with the wife whether I should have added more options (meaning spend more money!) Her opinion was she would have just gotten everything, just in case. Lady must be made of money I don't know about! So I emailed the contact at my dealer, asking if they could make any changes to my order (even though they accepted it with a build date and VIN).

I figured No, and he confirmed it, but said he was happy to order an "additional" one for me. I did not Email back to make sure, but seems that I would not have to cancel the first one. I guess dealer is happy to guarantee at least 1 stock unit out of me! Not sure what Ford will think about it though since require a DL so would be easy to tell they were double booking me.

Don't think I will but could always change my mind at any point and do it.

And this is probably why it makes sense for this dealer to sell Mavericks for the seemingly crazy price of 4% below invoice. A certain number of people will change their order, or just not complete their purchase, and then they have a Maverick to sell in this market where a new vehicle is quite valuable.

For what little it's worth, I feel like you should stick with your current Maverick. You still have payments on the RDX for a few years, and so unless you're made of money it seems like it makes sense to keep the payments somewhat lower on the second vehicle. With the discount you got, you're only a few thousand above your goal of 25k. But with TTL the real price of your Maverick will be close to 30k. And before that weren't you thinking of getting a low-cost used car so that you wouldn't have two big car payments at the same time? Seems like what's more important than heated seats is just having a good vehicle that might help with a potential move. And as the chip shortage gets worse, it's not clear how easy it will be to get another Maverick if you let this one go.

benjaminh · September 18

@nyccarguy

Would you be able to sell your Pilot at a nice price as part of this deal? If so, seems like it might make sense.

tjc78 · September 18

@benjaminh said:
@nyccarguy

Would you be able to sell your Pilot at a nice price as part of this deal? If so, seems like it might make sense.

I think he still needs a three row vehicle.

stickguy · September 18

So a Sahara with a $59k (ouch!) sticker probably ends up around $500/month for 10k miles and $1000 DAS? Roughly.

qbrozen · September 18

@nyccarguy said:

@qbrozen said:

@nyccarguy said:
My broker has just seriously upped his 4Xe game. It’s gotten me thinking about placing an order.

Is that the 10% off for a $60k build?

Depends on the MSRP

Sahara & High Altitude

7.5 off for less than $58,500
8 off for up to $60,500
8.5 off for more than $60,500

Rubicons are 7.5 or 8 off depending on the MSRP

It’s definitely not the cheapest deal out there. Especially since there is a bump in money factor. The dealer is 1 state away and I won’t have to pay for shipping.

The broker i used is 10% off for $60k+ builds. So an extra 2%, which is $1200, which is more than I paid for shipping, fyi. It is shipping and broker fee combined, however. BUT, $250 doc fee helps AND sold order protection, meaning the sale price, RV, and MF are locked at time of order. I have yet to find another dealer willing to do that.

au1994 · September 18

Love the tires @qbrozen

C’mon join the cult…er…club @nyccarguy!!

oldfarmer50 · September 18

qbrozen said:

@nyccarguy said:

Looks good with the new shoes @qbrozen . How much did those set you back? What brand/model are they? Do you have to have your Speedo recalibrated?

Nankang MT-1 Conqueror

Got them on ebay. $900 for the set of 5.

I don’t HAVE to get the speedo recalibrated, but I probably will. I wasn’t going to worry about the speed differential, but it would appear to be messing with the TPMS. Was reading about 7-8% lower than what my manual gauge tells me.

I always wondered how you recalibrate the speedo on a modern car. Is it as simple as tweaking it with a scan tool? I think in the old days it involved changing gears or something on the cable.

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