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carnaught · March 2022

@qbrozen, yes I do have the 220 in the LR and I’d have to check the breaker and wire. I am aware not to run both at the same time. Not ready to pull the trigger quite yet. Thank you!

ab348 · March 2022

Uninformed speculation on my part, but if you have a 220v outlet for your dryer in the laundry room it is likely fed by a dedicated cable from the electrical panel. Probably would not be a big job to run another one right along side it and through the wall into your garage for the charger, assuming you have space for a new circuit in the panel box. No worries that way.

ETA: This video was helpful in outlining the various levels you can take it to.

https://youtu.be/vBJsOtVK2ME

kyfdx · March 2022

qbrozen said:

carnaught said:
Question for the handyman, electrician guru poster buddies. This is for if/when I go EV: my electric box is on the opposite side of the house from my garage but my laundry room is behind the back wall of my garage. Must I tap into the box to set up a garage 220/240 volt charger or can I tap into the laundry room much closer to the garage?

Do you have a 220 in your laundry room? What size breaker and wire go to it? If it is there, and if sized properly, you can certainly T off it; however, if you try to run a 220v dryer while your car is charging, you'll have a problem.

They make splitters for this, but they look scary to me. And, as noted, you can't run both.

carnaught · March 2022

Thanks @ab348 and @kyfdx for the info.

henryn · March 2022

I would be a little reluctant to have the dryer and the car charger on the same circuit / breaker. You might remember not to run both at the same time, but what about the other people in your household?

henryn · March 2022

A followup to a previous post, on the old hi-fi equipment. It took less than 48 hours to sell the Adcom preamp and the 3 head cassette deck. Actually less than 24 hours to get 3 offers, and then close the deal the next day.

And to the comment about only old people being interested -- the buyer was a young man in his early 20's.

stickguy · March 2022

henryn said:
I would be a little reluctant to have the dryer and the car charger on the same circuit / breaker. You might remember not to run both at the same time, but what about the other people in your household?

Need a transfer switch like you use for a generator. So can only go to one at a time.

kyfdx · March 2022

stickguy said:

henryn said:
I would be a little reluctant to have the dryer and the car charger on the same circuit / breaker. You might remember not to run both at the same time, but what about the other people in your household?
Need a transfer switch like you use for a generator. So can only go to one at a time.

The splitter does that. But, it still looks scary. I wouldn't do it.

tjc78 · March 2022

No way I’m tapping into my dryer line or running some sort of splitter!!

tifighter · March 2022

henryn said:
A followup to a previous post, on the old hi-fi equipment. It took less than 48 hours to sell the Adcom preamp and the 3 head cassette deck. Actually less than 24 hours to get 3 offers, and then close the deal the next day.

And to the comment about only old people being interested -- the buyer was a young man in his early 20's.

My system. 50 watts of fury per channel. All two of them.

Rega Brio amp, Rega RP6 TT, Rega R3 speakers.

henryn · March 2022

My house was built to HUD specs, and has 220v and natural gas at pretty much all points. Water heater, clothes dryer, oven. And naturally I'm using natural gas, so the 220v for the clothes dryer would be available.

jmonroe1 · March 2022

Michaell said:
Looks like I'm paying about $0.14 per KwH here in CO.

I’m getting ready to bypass the meter then it’ll be free. Even a better deal than cheating on you taxes.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · March 2022

carnaught said:
Question for the handyman, electrician guru poster buddies. This is for if/when I go EV: my electric box is on the opposite side of the house from my garage but my laundry room is behind the back wall of my garage. Must I tap into the box to set up a garage 220/240 volt charger or can I tap into the laundry room much closer to the garage?

Sorry to be checking in late on this but I was over at flip house #3 getting some final things cleaned up. FWIW, we sold it in 4 hours and had 4 offers. The market is absolutely nuts. Maybe even nuttier than the car market right now.

OK, here goes:

Most Level 2 chargers require a dedicated 40 amp circuit wired with #8 copper wire. But, your electric dryer probably has a 30 amp dedicated circuit wired with #10 copper wire which is the approved standard for wiring electric dryers.

If you can live with a reduced charging rate (around 75% of a Level 2 charger) you can charge from you existing dryer circuit. You should install a transfer switch to do it without the fear of someone trying to use the dryer at the same time. And yes, a transfer switch properly installed, is ABSOLUTELY safe.

You could do it without a transfer switch but if the car is charging and someone turns on the dryer all that will happen is the breaker will trip which is what it is supposed to do when the circuit is overloaded. The house won’t burn down and no one will get electrocuted. But I, myself, wouldn’t do it without a transfer switch.

Of course you could always bite the bullet and install a Level 2 charger but like I said if you can live with a reduced charging rate, use your existing dryer circuit with a transfer switch.

jmonroe

tjc78 · March 2022

@jmonroe1 said:
Sorry to be checking in late on this but I was over at flip house #3 getting some final things cleaned up. FWIW, we sold it in 4 hours and had 4 offers. The market is absolutely nuts. Maybe even nuttier than the car market right now.

OK, here goes:

Most Level 2 chargers require a dedicated 40 amp circuit wired with #8 copper wire. But, your electric dryer probably has a 30 amp dedicated circuit wired with #10 copper wire which is the approved standard for wiring electric dryers.

If you can live with a reduced charging rate (around 75% of a Level 2 charger) you can charge from you existing dryer circuit. You should install a transfer switch to do it without the fear of someone trying to use the dryer at the same time. And yes, a transfer switch properly installed, is ABSOLUTELY safe.

You could do it without a transfer switch but if the car is charging and someone turns on the dryer all that will happen is the breaker will trip which is what it is supposed to do when the circuit is overloaded. The house won’t burn down and no one will get electrocuted. But I, myself, wouldn’t do it without a transfer switch.

Of course you could always bite the bullet and install a Level 2 charger but like I said if you can live with a reduced charging rate, use your existing dryer circuit with a transfer switch.

jmonroe

All fun and games until someone does this with an old Federal Pacific panel with breakers that don’t trip !!

jmonroe1 · March 2022

tjc78 said:

@jmonroe1 said:

Sorry to be checking in late on this but I was over at flip house #3 getting some final things cleaned up. FWIW, we sold it in 4 hours and had 4 offers. The market is absolutely nuts. Maybe even nuttier than the car market right now.

OK, here goes:

Most Level 2 chargers require a dedicated 40 amp circuit wired with #8 copper wire. But, your electric dryer probably has a 30 amp dedicated circuit wired with #10 copper wire which is the approved standard for wiring electric dryers.

If you can live with a reduced charging rate (around 75% of a Level 2 charger) you can charge from you existing dryer circuit. You should install a transfer switch to do it without the fear of someone trying to use the dryer at the same time. And yes, a transfer switch properly installed, is ABSOLUTELY safe.

You could do it without a transfer switch but if the car is charging and someone turns on the dryer all that will happen is the breaker will trip which is what it is supposed to do when the circuit is overloaded. The house won’t burn down and no one will get electrocuted. But I, myself, wouldn’t do it without a transfer switch.

Of course you could always bite the bullet and install a Level 2 charger but like I said if you can live with a reduced charging rate, use your existing dryer circuit with a transfer switch.

jmonroe

All fun and games until someone does this with an old Federal Pacific panel with breakers that don’t trip !!

Didn’t I say PROPERLY installed? Trying to add on to an outdated panel is about as safe as putting a penny in the fuse box instead of replacing the fuse. You can’t get something for nothing but folks keep trying. Good luck with that.

jmonroe

jwm40517 · March 2022

097 electric in central KY now and I remember when it was barely over .05

carnaught · March 2022

henryn said:
My house was built to HUD specs, and has 220v and natural gas at pretty much all points. Water heater, clothes dryer, oven. And naturally I'm using natural gas, so the 220v for the clothes dryer would be available.

My dryer is a gas. If I tapped into the 220v there, would a transfer switch still be advisable? The worry about using the 220 line at the same time then goes away?

Thanks all…

kyfdx · March 2022

carnaught said:

henryn said:
My house was built to HUD specs, and has 220v and natural gas at pretty much all points. Water heater, clothes dryer, oven. And naturally I'm using natural gas, so the 220v for the clothes dryer would be available.
My dryer is a gas. If I tapped into the 220v there, would a transfer switch still be advisable? The worry about using the 220 line at the same time then goes away?

Thanks all…

If your dryer is gas, then there should be nothing plugged into the 220 line. Is there an outlet for 220 at that location?

You still have to consider the amperage and line for the 220V at that location may not be up to spec for a charger.

kyfdx · March 2022

IOW, the gas dryer should be plugged into a regular three-prong outlet.

tjc78 · March 2022

@jmonroe1 said:
Didn’t I say PROPERLY installed? Trying to add on to an outdated panel is about as safe as putting a penny in the fuse box instead of replacing the fuse. You can’t get something for nothing but folks keep trying. Good luck with that.

jmonroe

I am just messing with you J. I knew you would know how bad those breakers are.

tjc78 · March 2022

@kyfdx said:
IOW, the gas dryer should be plugged into a regular three-prong outlet.

Yeah, I’d be surprised if there was a 220 line behind a gas dryer unless someone converted it to gas.

stickguy · March 2022

I have one in my basement. Had to run a gas line when we moved in.

Later we relocated laundry to the 2nd floor. Now I have a stray 220 outlet, regular outlet, and all the drain pipes in the basement.

henryn · March 2022

My house, built in 2005 to HUD specs, has 220v outlets and natural gas outlets at pretty much every possible location. Kitchen stove, clothes dryer, and I think at the hot water heater, although I would have to go look to be sure.

qbrozen · March 2022

I wouldn't be surprised if you can get a 220v gas dryer with steam function.

driver100 · March 2022

Buy a gasser!

Michaell · March 2022

In case you’ve ever wondered why you need to move over for emergency vehicles

snakeweasel · March 2022

@jmonroe1 said:
Didn’t I say PROPERLY installed?

jmonroe

No you didn't, you typed it.

sda · March 2022

Good news, the TL is repaired and back inaction. The body shop took it in Friday. Very thankful they were able get to it quickly as I was hearing dates of April and later.

jmonroe1 · March 2022

snakeweasel said:

@jmonroe1 said:

Didn’t I say PROPERLY installed?

jmonroe

No you didn't, you typed it.

Well, if I say it or type it or write it you can rest assured it’s correct. Like I really had to remind you guys about that.

jmonroe

28firefighter · March 2022

sda said:
Good news, the TL is repaired and back inaction. The body shop took it in Friday. Very thankful they were able get to it quickly as I was hearing dates of April and later.

Looks brand new! what was the final repair bill?

sda · March 2022

28firefighter said:

sda said:
Good news, the TL is repaired and back inaction. The body shop took it in Friday. Very thankful they were able get to it quickly as I was hearing dates of April and later.

Looks brand new! what was the final repair bill?

They did a good job. It is missing the body color filler plugs where a license plate bracket would be mounted. They are looking into that, though not a big deal on a 16 year old car. It came in on estimate, $1100, $500 deductible. My daughter quickly came out when I got home to hug ‘baby’.

abacomike · March 2022

Picked up my car this morning from the detailing place that applied a ceramic coating to all surfaces - 3 coats of ceramic chemicals and warranted for 5 years. They used the new 3M treatments for cleaning, taking out surface imperfections and microscopic scratches. Car looks great.

Glad I had it done a month or so prior to the trees budding and excreting sap - especially the closest tree which is some specie of olive that emits a reddish brown sap that makes a mess of my hood and top. Also good for protecting the finish from bird droppings which are quite frequent near trees.

He charged me $1100 which includes 7% sales tax.

The first thing I noticed was how shiny and smooth the surface of the car is now. The guy told me to stay away from automatic car washes and have the car hand washed with mild soap. I’ll update everyone as time goes by and share with you if the application was worth that much money.

I have to bring the car back to him once a year so he can apply a booster of ceramic coating. He said he would do it for $100 a year.

carnaught · March 2022

@abacomike, I thought the yearly boosters were included?

ab348 · March 2022

So, as I sit here in the midst of yet another snowfall outside, waiting for the &#$%!?@ winter to depart so I can try doing things outdoors, I am watching as much TV as I can tolerate to pass the time. Most of what is on TV I dislike because I am not into gore, unpleasantness, medieval warfare, superheroes, and mindless CGI-heavy crap. So that means my viewing options are severely limited.

One of the things that is rather fun is watching the very old first few seasons of This Old House that Roku offers, from the Bob Vila era. The show could not be more different from what it has now become, not surprisingly. The first season with the Dorchester house was pretty haphazard and crudely produced, but the second season was very ambitious and while it still wasn't very sophisticated in terms of production, they did throw in some crane and helicopter shots and the building itself was very interesting. The last couple of days I've been watching the 3rd season, which couldn't be more different.

This one was mostly all Bob with a bit of Norm and Rich thrown in. Probably because they were close to losing their shirts on the season 2 project, which didn't sell at first, they were very frugal on this one, with Bob doing a lot of the work himself. The idea was to buy for $65K a small mid-'50s tract bungalow in Woburn MA (36 Robinson Rd if you're interested, though it no longer looks like what it did back in '82) and expand/improve it on a $25K budget. It is almost laughable in the context of today's home improvement programming how he did things. A tiny pink bathroom where he had a new floor installed and replaced the ugly little sink and vanity with a wall-hung sink that Rich took out of a house they were working on. Homemade kitchen cabinets that were finished with Formica rather than being painted or stained. He kept the existing fridge, stove and kitchen sink but had the fridge resprayed for $75. The main part of the project was connecting the house to an existing garage via a new greenhouse-style breezeway entry and turning the garage into the new living room. I didn't like the result much and the outside in particular looked pretty awful in the end but even in '82 $25K only went so far.

What I found fascinating is looking at it on Streetview today. It bears no resemblance to what Bob left behind. New owners at some point put on a full 2nd floor, redid the exterior in a more conventional style, and did a lot of work on the grounds. The houses on either side still look much like what they did in '82, though the neighborhood in general looks a bit more upscale now and there are even a few newer McMansions where little bungalows once stood. Bob's house that he bought for $65K in '82 is valued according to various sites at between $800K and $900K. Even the mostly untouched little bungalows on either side are not far off that number. Incredible. No wonder old guys are buying new Corvettes.

driver100 · March 2022

@ab348
I had fun reading about your TV watching episode....some interesting comments and amazing how much house prices have soared. In Hamilton the average price of a home 15 years ago was $218,000, and today it is $1.1 million!

My question is, don't you do streaming on Netflix or Amazon? It is hard to watch regular TV when there is streaming. We don't watch violence or Super Hero stuff, but shows like Halt and Catch Fire, Suits, Billions are clever and entertaining....practically commercial free and you don't have to wait a week for the next episode.

And, who is doing WORDLE? I haven't tried it yet but Mrs D100 is addicted. Probably a good way to exercise the brain.

jmonroe1 · March 2022

ab348 said:
So, as I sit here in the midst of yet another snowfall outside, waiting for the &#$%!?@ winter to depart so I can try doing things outdoors, I am watching as much TV as I can tolerate to pass the time. Most of what is on TV I dislike because I am not into gore, unpleasantness, medieval warfare, superheroes, and mindless CGI-heavy crap. So that means my viewing options are severely limited.

One of the things that is rather fun is watching the very old first few seasons of This Old House that Roku offers, from the Bob Vila era. The show could not be more different from what it has now become, not surprisingly. The first season with the Dorchester house was pretty haphazard and crudely produced, but the second season was very ambitious and while it still wasn't very sophisticated in terms of production, they did throw in some crane and helicopter shots and the building itself was very interesting. The last couple of days I've been watching the 3rd season, which couldn't be more different.

This one was mostly all Bob with a bit of Norm and Rich thrown in. Probably because they were close to losing their shirts on the season 2 project, which didn't sell at first, they were very frugal on this one, with Bob doing a lot of the work himself. The idea was to buy for $65K a small mid-'50s tract bungalow in Woburn MA (36 Robinson Rd if you're interested, though it no longer looks like what it did back in '82) and expand/improve it on a $25K budget. It is almost laughable in the context of today's home improvement programming how he did things. A tiny pink bathroom where he had a new floor installed and replaced the ugly little sink and vanity with a wall-hung sink that Rich took out of a house they were working on. Homemade kitchen cabinets that were finished with Formica rather than being painted or stained. He kept the existing fridge, stove and kitchen sink but had the fridge resprayed for $75. The main part of the project was connecting the house to an existing garage via a new greenhouse-style breezeway entry and turning the garage into the new living room. I didn't like the result much and the outside in particular looked pretty awful in the end but even in '82 $25K only went so far.

What I found fascinating is looking at it on Streetview today. It bears no resemblance to what Bob left behind. New owners at some point put on a full 2nd floor, redid the exterior in a more conventional style, and did a lot of work on the grounds. The houses on either side still look much like what they did in '82, though the neighborhood in general looks a bit more upscale now and there are even a few newer McMansions where little bungalows once stood. Bob's house that he bought for $65K in '82 is valued according to various sites at between $800K and $900K. Even the mostly untouched little bungalows on either side are not far off that number. Incredible. No wonder old guys are buying new Corvettes.

Like I said in a recent post we sold flip #3 before we could turn around to lock the door. We’re getting ready to start on flip #4 and hope we can get it done while the market is still insane.

If you’re looking for something to do rather than just watching old episodes of This Old House, come over to our old house built in 1966 before you miss the fun of doing some demo.

No, we don’t whack the kitchen cabinets with a sledge so that we have to sweep up thousands of splintered pieces. We do it the old fashioned way by removing a few screws and carrying them, in tact, to the dumpster or maybe even selling them like we did with flip #3.

While I haven’t bought a new Vette yet, I think I could if I wanted to squeeze myself into one.

Hurry up the fun won’t last forever.

jmonroe

ab348 · March 2022

driver100 said:
@ab348
My question is, don't you do streaming on Netflix or Amazon? It is hard to watch regular TV when there is streaming. We don't watch violence or Super Hero stuff, but shows like Halt and Catch Fire, Suits, Billions are clever and entertaining....practically commercial free and you don't have to wait a week for the next episode.

And, who is doing WORDLE? I haven't tried it yet but Mrs D100 is addicted. Probably a good way to exercise the brain.

I have had Prime for a while. There is some OK stuff on it although it annoys me that the Canadian version has significantly less/different content than US Prime. I don't do Netflix. I had Apple TV free for a year but the only things I watched regularly on it were The Morning Show and Ted Lasso. The rest of their included programming I found unappealing to unwatchable and it seemed every title that I might want to watch was an extra $15 to do so. If MLB ever comes back then that will constitute the bulk of my watching for the next 6 months.

sda · March 2022

I always thought using a sledge hammer to remove cabinets was less than smart, extremely messy, potentially dangerous and wasteful. Makes for good tv drama, ha.

stickguy · March 2022

That’s why they do it.

[Deleted User] · March 2022

@driver100, I've been playing WORDLE for a little while. It is a good brain exercise as well as a challenge to beat the wife and kids!

sda · March 2022

stickguy said:
That’s why they do it.

yep

andres3 · March 2022

sda said:

28firefighter said:

sda said:
Good news, the TL is repaired and back inaction. The body shop took it in Friday. Very thankful they were able get to it quickly as I was hearing dates of April and later.

Looks brand new! what was the final repair bill?
They did a good job. It is missing the body color filler plugs where a license plate bracket would be mounted. They are looking into that, though not a big deal on a 16 year old car. It came in on estimate, $1100, $500 deductible. My daughter quickly came out when I got home to hug ‘baby’.

That's a keeper!

driver100 · March 2022

dad23 said:
@driver100, I've been playing WORDLE for a little while. It is a good brain exercise as well as a challenge to beat the wife and kids!

@dad23 Wordle is very clever, it is just hard enough to be challenging, and it keeps the brain working. I doubt if I could beat MrsD100 but maybe I'll challenge her one day.

driver100 · March 2022

ab348 said:

driver100 said:
@ab348
My question is, don't you do streaming on Netflix or Amazon? It is hard to watch regular TV when there is streaming. We don't watch violence or Super Hero stuff, but shows like Halt and Catch Fire, Suits, Billions are clever and entertaining....practically commercial free and you don't have to wait a week for the next episode.

And, who is doing WORDLE? I haven't tried it yet but Mrs D100 is addicted. Probably a good way to exercise the brain.
I have had Prime for a while. There is some OK stuff on it although it annoys me that the Canadian version has significantly less/different content than US Prime. I don't do Netflix. I had Apple TV free for a year but the only things I watched regularly on it were The Morning Show and Ted Lasso. The rest of their included programming I found unappealing to unwatchable and it seemed every title that I might want to watch was an extra $15 to do so. If MLB ever comes back then that will constitute the bulk of my watching for the next 6 months.

Paying extra is annoying, but usually it works out to less than a show would cost and it is more entertaining than most movies. We watched 4 seasons of Billions, and then they wanted $24 for Season 5 and 6. But, if I take 30 days of Showtime for free I can watch it for free.....I just have to remember to cancel Showtime before the 30 days is up. You have to learn how to play the game......it's more challenging than Wordle.

qbrozen · March 2022

dad23 said:
a challenge to beat the wife and kids!

Too fast around the table for ya, huh? You just need a longer belt.

andres3 · March 2022

So anyone have a clue as to what percentage of auto insurance companies have "ONLY OEM Parts" instead of "insurer reserves right to use cheap knock-off parts" in their policy language?

mjfloyd1 · March 2022

@andres3 said:
So anyone have a clue as to what percentage of auto insurance companies have "ONLY OEM Parts" instead of "insurer reserves right to use cheap knock-off parts" in their policy language?

This gives some breakdown. I have no idea if it is accurate

https://www.autoinsurance.org/best-auto-insurance-companies-that-offer-oem-parts-coverage/

abacomike · March 2022

@carnaught said:
@abacomike, I thought the yearly boosters were included?

Actually, most places I contacted wanted $200 a year for the booster. This guy is doing it at his cost for labor and materials.

snakeweasel · March 2022

sda said:
I always thought using a sledge hammer to remove cabinets was less than smart, extremely messy, potentially dangerous and wasteful. Makes for good tv drama, ha.

It can also be good therapy.

snakeweasel · March 2022

driver100 said:

dad23 said:
@driver100, I've been playing WORDLE for a little while. It is a good brain exercise as well as a challenge to beat the wife and kids!
@dad23 Wordle is very clever, it is just hard enough to be challenging, and it keeps the brain working. I doubt if I could beat MrsD100 but maybe I'll challenge her one day.

I just tried it and got it on the first try.

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