I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today! (Archived)

tjc78 · September 2022

Lots of VW’s. There is a small VW show here in town tomorrow.

texases · September 2022

@stickguy said:
a ton recently. some running around local. sweet mid 80s red 911 stuck out.

today, we went to Glens falls NY and turns out there was a big car show up there. we did not attend, but there was a slew of cool stuff out and about, and a few parking lots where it looks like people were gathering afterwards (restaurants). at this point I can't remember most but on I87 coming home, I was running next to a 70ish Sub Lime Challenger with AAR style stripes that looked really nice.

also passed an early 70s yellow Duster with nostrils (I assume a 340) that reminded me of my HS yellow duster. and later a red version. a 2 Duster (or maybe Dart sport) day! 66 or so 2 door big Olds. many hot rods.

My Duster had those hood scoops and a slant 6. All show, no go…

andre1969 · September 2022

uplanderguy said:
True, although where I lived, I was still seeing Impalas and Caprices without AC. My parents' first new car with AC was their 1984 Monte Carlo. Their 1974 and 1977 Impalas, and 1980 Monte Carlo, didn't have it. My new '81 Monte Carlo didn't have it either.

My memory's fading on the subject, but I don't think my stepdad's '81 Ford Escort had a/c. Although, no a/c was still pretty common on cheaper cars. In college, I knew a guy from Washington State who had a Honda Civic with no a/c. He had bought it new, and said that out there, you really didn't need a/c.

The only car I've owned that wasn't equipped with a/c is my '57 DeSoto. Back then, I think a/c was about $500, and the base MSRP of my car was something like $3,085, so a/c would've been like 20% of the base MSRP! Now I've had plenty of cars with non-functioning a/c, but that's a different story.

andre1969 · September 2022

I like that '73 Delta 88 hardtop sedan a lot...but not $11,500 worth! And yeah, when you zoom in, the areas under the "skegs" or whatever you call them look like reflections, so the body does look like it's in good shape. Something's going on up front though. The bumper looks like it's sagging just a bit, and the header panel is a different color.

andre1969 · September 2022

I wonder, how common a/c would be on a '67 Catalina convertible? The car itself wasn't terribly expensive, with a base MSRP of $3276, while a/c by then was probably around $350-400? So, a/c was coming down in price, both in real dollars, and in relation to the base price of a car.

My Mom's first new car was a '66 Catalina convertible, that she bought when she was a senior in high school. She saved up 1/3 of the money waiting tables at the Hot Shoppes, borrowed 1/3 from an aunt, and 1/3 from Grandmom and Granddad. I can remember years ago, asking her if it had a/c and without missing a beat, was like "Why would it have air conditioning? It was a convertible!"

Both my '68 and '69 Dart hardtops had a/c. I imagine it was still pretty rare in a compact.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Three of my four Studebakers had factory A/C, but none of them worked!

Rare, my first Stude had factory A/C, Avanti power, Twin Traction, tinted glass in all windows, reclining seats, and a sunroof. Of course, the car was ordered to cover a flooring bill for the Studebaker dealer!

I'd venture that factory A/C was unusual in a '67 Catalina convertible...maybe more-seen in a Grand Prix or Bonneville convertible that year, only a guess.

At the cruise-in I was at last Thursday, there was a light turquoise metallic '67 Catalina two-door hardtop with matching cloth and vinyl interior. Stock, low-mileage car. I thought I took pics but I didn't. I've seen it there in past years. Nice car. No A/C.

It's easy to tell at a glance on big '67 Pontiacs if they have A/C or not. If the model nameplate is on the glovebox door, it has A/C! If not, the nameplate is at the top center of the instrument panel.

andre1969 · September 2022

Funny...I've only had my Catalina now for what? The majority of my life? And I never noticed that, about the nameplate. The way I always noticed was that the non-ac cars simply didn't have ducts in the dash. The Catalina nameplate is where the center duct would normally be, and the glovebox is wider, taking up the space where the right duct would be. On the left, they just extend the style of the dashboard over to the edge.

sda · September 2022

I’ve shared this before, mom’s 63 Old Dynamic 88 Holiday coupe had factory a/c but no heater. I wonder how many were equipped like that. There was a heater delete option. The Olds was originally special ordered by an elderly man in St Petersburg, Fl, my hometown. The car looked nice as he ordered two tone paint, (light metallic green body, white top) full wheel covers, whitewalls, tinted glass, though tinted glass might have been part of the a/c package. It had cloth interior, auto, ps, manual brakes, none of the following: radio, backup lights, seat belts, windshield washers (one speed electric wipers) or driver’s door mirror. I guess he only drove during the day and in good weather! When dad traded his 59 Catalina for the 88 in 65 he had a Motorola AM push button radio and front seat belts installed.

sda · September 2022

andre1969 said:
Funny...I've only had my Catalina now for what? The majority of my life? And I never noticed that, about the nameplate. The way I always noticed was that the non-ac cars simply didn't have ducts in the dash. The Catalina nameplate is where the center duct would normally be, and the glovebox is wider, taking up the space where the right duct would be. On the left, they just extend the style of the dashboard over to the edge.

That looks so much better than having blanks cover the outlets where the a/c vents would’ve been, which looks cheap.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Agreed. Too, I always hated how it was pretty obvious when a no-radio car of most any make would have a blank/block shoved in the hole there.

The '63 and later Studes completely disguised that, with a full-length piece of trim in the center section of the dash which lined up and matched the trim piece on the glovebox.

andre, my memory is that on the '67's (well, the '66's were this way so I'll assume the '67's were too), there were no nameplates inside the car that said "Ventura" or "2+2". In those cars, the nameplate was "Pontiac". Apparently not the volume of either to do that.

uplanderguy · September 2022

'67 Catalina dash with AC
1967 Pontiac Catalina - dashboard

ab348 · September 2022

A better pic of the '67 Pontiac dash with AC:

Very rare up here in Canada.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Thought it was a bit odd to put the handle below the glovebox on the GP and Bonne that year, but I guess there was no other place to do it.

Something I've noticed on a number of '68's over the years, was that some have the nameplates on the glovebox, some GP's and Bonne's have the handle, but seems to me that most don't. Must've been a midyear change, or specific to assembly plant. My friend's parents' '68 Bonneville Brougham had the identical dash a Catalina would--no nameplate, no handle--and most I've seen were like this.

andre1969 · September 2022

I just looked up the '66 dash as a refresher. With regards to height, the handle doesn't look that much higher up on the '66 to me. The difference though, is that the glovebox on the '67 is mounted high in the dash, whereas the '66 is a low-mounted, drop-down bin type.

My '76 Grand LeMans has the pull strap on the dash, but I warn people that it's only for show...DON'T grab it!

This is a pic I found on the web, and not mine. I tried looking around on the computer, but couldn't find a good interior/dash shot of mine. Anyway, it's mounted into the padding of the dash! I hope it's actually secured to something IN the dash, behind the padding, but I'd rather not yank on it to find out!

**Edit, something that the pic of that '76 Grand LeMans, with the split seat, reminded me of...what would be the point of putting the armrest on the passenger side of the split? My philosophy has always been that the driver's comfort comes first. Well, unless it's a limousine, I guess. So, it would seem to me it would be more important to make the armrest move, with the driver's seat, rather than the passenger's. My '79 5th Ave has the split seat with an armrest, but the armrest is on the driver's seat. My grandmother's '85 LeSabre was a 50/50 split, with a small armrest for both the driver and passenger seat. My 2012 Ram is a 40/20/40 split, where the armrest doubles as the backrest. The center spot is stationary, but the armrest itself is big enough that if you move the seat forward, there's still enough of it to be comfortable.

ab348 · September 2022

We owned a '67 Pontiac Parisienne from new until about 1970. It didn't have A/C but I would swear the nameplate was on the glovebox door. No pictures unfortunately. It didn't have any woodgrain on the dash, just crackle black (vinyl, I think).

andre1969 · September 2022

Here's a '67 Parisienne I found on Flickr...

This one has a look to it, like someone spray-painted over the woodgrain years ago, but I suspect it's that crackle-black stuff.

fintail · September 2022

Spotted this down the street, pic turned out pretty well from being taken from 3/4 of a block away (too lazy to walk there):

sda · September 2022

andre1969 said:
Here's a '67 Parisienne I found on Flickr... This one has a look to it, like someone spray-painted over the woodgrain years ago, but I suspect it's that crackle-black stuff.

You can see the Chevy lineage in the shifter lever, turn signal stalk and how the wipers park.

uplanderguy · September 2022

I just looked up the '66 dash as a refresher. With regards to height, the handle doesn't look that much higher up on the '66 to me.

I just always thought the handle on the '67 looked like an afterthought. It looked smaller than prior years, and didn't seem centered horizontally in the design of the panel like the earlier handles were.

The '65 Bonneville and Grand Prix panel are just magnificent IMHO. Buick and Olds of the same year weren't as nice IMO.

1965 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX - Interior - 238699

1965 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX - Interior - 238699

Although those handles looked luxurious, they didn't seem all that practical....holding on straight ahead of you. In the '70's, when door pulls as part of armrests were angled up and natural for your hand to fall right in place there, those really seemed more useful as 'assist grips'.

stickguy · September 2022

I got passed by a Cutlass of about that year today. dark blue with rear wing. sounded very healthy. if not a 442 a very nice comparable!

even rarer, on the same road, got passed by a (I assume) 1960s vintage IH panal van, but raised up so I think 4x4. body kinda looked like a milk truck. very odd.

uplanderguy · September 2022

andre, re: the 60/40 or 55/45 front seats--my parents' '84 Monte Carlo was like that--individual driver's seat; rest of front seat was the center armrest and right front passenger seat.

stickguy · September 2022

my parents did not have a car with AC until after I was out of college (well, until I was 6/7 they had an older Chevy wagon which I guess could have). I think it was their mid 80s Civic. my first one with working AC was the 1986 323 I bought after getting married.

xwesx · September 2022

My children panic at the thought of no A/C. I'll admit, it's a wonderful thing... Gosh, just how quiet cars are at highway speeds with the windows up! I remember many hours on trips as a child, and the only thing you heard was the whomping of air in your ears.

The last trip I took sans A/C was our "Meet the Folks" trip in July of 1999 when we took the 1969 C20 on our first now-traditional 11,000 mile transit of the continent. There were a few days where we would just need to pull off the road, find a shady area, and take a nap for a couple hours during the hottest parts of the day.

stickguy · September 2022

I still prefer to not have AC. Will use it if particularly hot or muggy, but I consider it more of an "in emergency only' last resort. And would rather have the moonroof open on the highway unless the sun is shining into my eyes. Of course, when the wife is in the car that does not happen. but by myself, certainly driving around local, it is always windows/roof open instead.

ditto for the house. I hate walking around shivering. I would be fine with just a small room unit in our bedroom since sleeping in sweat is a bit of a drag, but none in the rest of the house.

ab348 · September 2022

It's funny reading some of the comments here regarding A/C. Coming from a part of Canada where A/C was largely not found even in large commercial buildings until the 1970s/early 80s, and where only luxury cars were so equipped even well into the 1980s/early '90s, A/C was perceived as something unusual and almost magical. I remember when I was a kid traveling on holiday with my parents in the early '70s, checking into a hotel/motel that had A/C resulted in it immediately being turned on full blast. That seemed to be almost genetic among most of us. I recall a business trip to Florida in the late '80s with 3 or 4 colleagues, where all of us had our hotel rooms chilled to no more than the high '60s given the 90+/90+ conditions outside. When locals came into our rooms they thought we were nuts, but we all felt comfortable.

xwesx · September 2022

Very true. We don't have AC in our house in Fairbanks, and we built it well enough that it is quite comfortable, even on the hottest summer days. The only times it even gets into the mid/upper 70s inside is when there has been heavy smoke outside for more than a week in June or early July. We keep the windows all closed during those periods, so there's no opportunity to cool off the interior at nights.

I'll only roll down windows and/or open the roof when I'm doing local, in-town driving. I really don't like the noisy wind anymore.

sda · September 2022

When I had any one of my 5 convertibles I loved having the roof open, windows down and if in stop and go traffic I would use the a/c too. I pretty much grew up in the south and southeast. Though our houses generally had a/c, dad was not a fan so it was used sparingly.

fintail · September 2022

When I was house shopping, one must-have was central AC. We're in the 90s or more enough to justify it. It's a common feature here.

I drive with the window down in the fintail often, not so much in the wagon or other modern cars - beltlines are too high, I like to put my arm/elbow out the window.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Same here. I always enjoy windows-down in my Stude. I like it in my daily cars as well, although always have to at least crack the RF window when the driver's side is down or get buffering, sigh.

andre1969 · September 2022

I think central air is pretty much the norm around these parts, at least for any home built in the last 60 years. My paternal grandparents' home was built in 1963, and had a natural gas boiler, with baseboard heat. As a kid, I remember them running window units in each of the three bedrooms, and one in the dining room that also helped cool the kitchen and living room. The basement pretty much took care of itself. They had central air installed in the early 80's, with the ducts running through the attic. I imagine the electric bill was actually cheaper with the central air, versus those four window units. Although, they probably only used those bedroom a/c's when the bedrooms were in use. For instance, the master bedroom, at night. The second bedroom was where us grandkids slept when we spent the night, and it probably stayed off most times. And the smallest bedroom was used as sort of an office/storage room so they probably only turned it on when they were in there.

Back at the old homestead, I used to run three window units, until I got central air. The central air was a side benefit of having the place converted from oil heat, to an all-electric heat pump, in 2008 when oil prices hit something like $5.62/gal. I still had to run one window unit upstairs though, as air flow was a bit weak up there. Electric usage stayed about the same, though. And there was the added bonus of not overloading the circuits in that old house. I can remember as a kid, sometimes if you used the microwave while the a/c was on, and the refrigerator motor happened to kick on, it would often trip a breaker. Even when I was there as an adult in the 2000's, and I'm sure our microwave didn't use nearly as much power, every once in awhile it would still trip.

I don't think I'd want a house without it, nowadays. One thing I've noticed, as I'm getting older, I'm more sensitive to humidity than I was when I was younger. Right now, it's only 68 degrees outside, but like 88% humidity. Once upon a time, I would've turned the a/c off and opened up the windows. But, I still have the a/c on, and set for 74 degrees.

When it comes to cars, if it's a car that I know doesn't have working a/c, it seems like my body and mind just sort of subconsciously adjust, so if it gets hot it doesn't bother me. But, with working a/c, I'm pretty quick to turn it on. Every once in awhile, when I'm in the Regal or the Ram and it's one of those "borderline" days, sometimes I'll turn off the a/c, roll down the windows, and then it's like NOPE, crank that a/c back up and roll 'em up!

andre1969 · September 2022

uplanderguy said:
Same here. I always enjoy windows-down in my Stude. I like it in my daily cars as well, although always have to at least crack the RF window when the driver's side is down or get buffering, sigh.

Funny thing about that buffering...or "helicoptering" as I used to call it. I first noticed it, when I bought my 2000 Intrepid. I swear though, that car did something to my hearing...either messed it up, or put me more in tune with it, because I swear, I can hear it in just about any car where you crack a back window, but leave the front windows up. At the time, I still had my '89 Gran Fury, and my grandmother's '85 LeSabre, and they'd both do it, just not nearly as bad. On the Gran Fury, the windows in back went down nearly all the way, only sticking up maybe an inch and a half, but I could still hear it!

I had almost forgotten about that resonance. Until one day opened a back window in the Regal, without opening a front, while driving, and the resonance came back, same as it ever was.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Typo on my part; "buffeting". I don't seem to remember it prior to my egg-shaped '97 Cavalier sedan, but maybe I'm just not remembering.

In my '17 Cruze, I even get it when only my driver's glass is down and all other windows are up.

andre1969 · September 2022

Sure, Uplander, go ahead and correct the word AFTER I repeated it

Oh, on facebook marketplace, I just stumbled across this '80 Electra... https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5362742210439438/

Is this the same green as your parents' '80 Monte Carlo, and that '80 Malibu you posted earlier?

I'd almost be tempted, and it's not *too* far away from me, in Jersey. But looking under the hood, I think that's a Buick 4.1/252 I can at least tell it's a Buick engine (distributor in front). And it looks too stubby to be a V8, although that could be because of the camera angle/distortion.

**Edit: I don't know if this is something to be proud of, or ashamed of, but I just got an email saying I just earned a "25,000 comments" badge from Edmund's!

I notice here, it says 25,001, so it would've been my "buffering" response prior to this.

imidazol97 · September 2022

uplanderguy said:
Typo on my part; "buffeting". I don't seem to remember it prior to my egg-shaped '97 Cavalier sedan, but maybe I'm just not remembering.

In my '17 Cruze, I even get it when only my driver's glass is down and all other windows are up.

In my Cruze, I don't get it when a front window is down at any setting. I do get the Helmholtz Effect buffeting with a rear window down more than an inch or so.

The cars are not sealed up like a bottle is. There are vents with soft plastic vanes in the trunk at the sides usually. Some cars used to have these openings on the rear door frame that was open to the trunk. The effect of the air over the window is like blowing air over the top of a pop bottle and getting a musical tone.

My 98 leSabre had a terrible resonance on the rear windows. It was like torture until another window was cracked open.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Yeah, that is the same dark green on that Electra. I liked it...not often seen, which bumps things up in my book fairly often. I also liked the green that was like new spring grass on '99 Park Avenues and Venture vans, and the bright green on '18 and/or '19 Equinoxes. Apparently, not many other people did. Similarly, I liked the dark green on '14 C7's and I like 'Caffeine' (dark metallic brown) on C8's, although my friend says that is the least-popular C8 color.

Here's my parents' '80 Monte Carlo. I mind the styling less now than when I first saw the '78 (admittedly I was shocked when I first saw a four-door Malibu Classic and a Grand Prix that model year, too). An example perhaps of 'volume normalizes bad styling'. I do think the 205-70 tires fill the wheel openings, and the belt and sill moldings dress the car up. I still don't like how they tacked that side marker light on the front fenders that year. I think the Regal added that too. I'd still take it over an '80 Thunderbird.

In '80 and '81 the Monte was available with the Buick Turbo, but not seen often then or now. Dad's was the 229 V6, 115 hp.

The sounds the six made didn't match the rest of the car IMHO, and that made me search for a V8 in my '81 Monte Carlo less than a year later. The 267 was slow, but it was smooth and quiet like a V8.

This car had no A/C, but it (mistakenly) had the plastichromed A/C vent on the right side of the dash, which looked miles better than the green plastic filler block that belonged there. I had to show my Dad that zero air ever came out of that vent, LOL.

ab348 · September 2022

Buffeting... buffeting...

https://youtu.be/coPrNC9LRnE

sda · September 2022

@andre1969 said:
Sure, Uplander, go ahead and correct the word AFTER I repeated it

Oh, on facebook marketplace, I just stumbled across this '80 Electra... https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5362742210439438/

Is this the same green as your parents' '80 Monte Carlo, and that '80 Malibu you posted earlier?

I'd almost be tempted, and it's not too far away from me, in Jersey. But looking under the hood, I think that's a Buick 4.1/252 I can at least tell it's a Buick engine (distributor in front). And it looks too stubby to be a V8, although that could be because of the camera angle/distortion.

**Edit: I don't know if this is something to be proud of, or ashamed of, but I just got an email saying I just earned a "25,000 comments" badge from Edmund's! I notice here, it says 25,001, so it would've been my "buffering" response prior to this.

Time for a tune up!

sda · September 2022

In most vehicles, with the driver's window open I've found lowering the right rear window about two inches or so reduces or eliminates that annoying buffeting.

stickguy · September 2022

Buick ain’t my thing, but I love the colors.

In HS a friends father had one of this vintage. I remember those gauges.

texases · September 2022

The first car I had with buffeting was an '86 Cherokee XJ. Too bad, we drove it a lot around Alaska and had to fiddle with the windows to keep it from happening. Would have preferred all windows down.

This doesn't fit the 'it happens because of the smoothed aero' explanation I've heard - it was more like a brick.

andre1969 · September 2022

The Electra seemed like it got the brown end of the stick, when it came to engines for 1980, compared to Olds. IIRC, the Ninety-Eight that year used a 307 as its base engine, and an Olds 350 as the option. The Electra, meanwhile, used a Buick 252 V6 standard, with a Pontiac 301 optional. Top engine was a Buick 350, substituted with an Olds 350 in CA/high altitude areas.

So at least with the Ninety-Eight, every single one in 1980 at least left the factory with a respectable engine. Well, unless you got the Diesel! The 307, while overmatched in these cars, was durable at least. But with the Electra, the 252 was trouble, and so was the 301. So you had to go all the way to the 350 if you wanted a decent engine. And I have a feeling that, by the time '80 rolled around, with fuel concerns and such, a 350 might have been somewhat rare in these cars.

As for the buffeting thing, the next time I take my '79 5th Ave out for a drive, I'm doing to drop a rear window, and see if I get any of that buffeting/resonance. One interesting "feature" of the R-body, is that if you roll down a front window at highway speeds, the window will actually get sucked outward just a bit, so when you go to roll it back up, it ends up outside of the little guide at the top edge of the doorframe, so it won't fully seal. The joys of thin glass and frameless windows, I guess.

tjc78 · September 2022

Not sure I could do that much green, but that’s a nice Electra.

A/C ? Will never own a home without central and I use it in my car all the time. I thought I’d miss having a sunroof in the truck, but so far I do not. I really only used it on an early morning drive down the shore if it wasn’t ultra humid.

sda · September 2022

tjc78 said:
Not sure I could do that much green, but that’s a nice Electra.

A/C ? Will never own a home without central and I use it in my car all the time. I thought I’d miss having a sunroof in the truck, but so far I do not. I really only used it on an early morning drive down the shore if it wasn’t ultra humid.

How is the truck, happy with it? Mpg?

sda · September 2022

andre1969 said:
The Electra seemed like it got the brown end of the stick, when it came to engines for 1980, compared to Olds. IIRC, the Ninety-Eight that year used a 307 as its base engine, and an Olds 350 as the option. The Electra, meanwhile, used a Buick 252 V6 standard, with a Pontiac 301 optional. Top engine was a Buick 350, substituted with an Olds 350 in CA/high altitude areas.

So at least with the Ninety-Eight, every single one in 1980 at least left the factory with a respectable engine. Well, unless you got the Diesel! The 307, while overmatched in these cars, was durable at least. But with the Electra, the 252 was trouble, and so was the 301. So you had to go all the way to the 350 if you wanted a decent engine. And I have a feeling that, by the time '80 rolled around, with fuel concerns and such, a 350 might have been somewhat rare in these cars.

As for the buffeting thing, the next time I take my '79 5th Ave out for a drive, I'm doing to drop a rear window, and see if I get any of that buffeting/resonance. One interesting "feature" of the R-body, is that if you roll down a front window at highway speeds, the window will actually get sucked outward just a bit, so when you go to roll it back up, it ends up outside of the little guide at the top edge of the doorframe, so it won't fully seal. The joys of thin glass and frameless windows, I guess.

I found the same issue with my Mercury Tracer LTS if I was driving over 70. I learned to slow down to 50, roll the window up and it would seat and then speed back up.

tjc78 · September 2022

@sda said:
How is the truck, happy with it? Mpg?

Overall very happy. Just about ready to cross 600 miles and the computer is saying 15.2. I can’t say I’ve been easy on it either.

All in all the whole family loves it. If I had one negative thing to say is that the transmission gets a little jerky sometimes when downshifting on deceleration. That may be something a software update can help.

Funny story about me not being used to the size. Wife wanted me to meet her at dinner last night in downtown Philly and I took the truck. Just made it height wise into the parking garage. Guys didn’t even bother to park it. They just left it in the entry area until we got back.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Unusual '64 Olds Dynamic 88 Holiday Sedan on the 'All Original Cars' FB page--3-speed manual:

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/d/new-bedford-1964-oldsmobile-dynamic88/7527979066.html

Wonder if that round shift knob was factory--my guess it was replaced, but only guessing.

Unusual for sure.

stickguy · September 2022

That is a weird spec. And odd car to preserve.

uplanderguy · September 2022

Not that I know anything about those cars, but if the car runs good, and that appears to be original interior to me, and the trim and wheel covers look original to my eyes, his asking price doesn't seem too bad.

uplanderguy · September 2022

RE.: Round shift knob....this I do know; on Chevys in the late sixties and seventies, anyway, the knob was the same as on automatic cars, but the lever itself bent just slightly from the column, then was straight up to the knob, as opposed to automatic cars where the lever was a gentle slight 'S' curvature.

sda · September 2022

I doubt that transmission lever is original. Though unusual to have a manual it was probably a better choice over the clunky and fragile Slim Jim hydramatc.

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