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If you go to cars.com, check this one out for yourself. Then have your friends look at it and verify my story. (Near Charlotte, NC)
$5,130, 1993 Accord EX, 92K, 4 cyl, exc cond, .......
Thanks Unhappy Southern California civic owner.
148,000 miles!!
I asked the guy who traded it in and he said it had been flawless. Just did the routine services.
Still looks and runs great!
you'll have some niggling little nonsense around the corners that will need maintenance, but highway miles are not as tough as town miles.
The seat isn't broken down and the car is tight.
Needs a LR door skin and a new windshield.
It belongs to a leasing company who will pick it us since we really don't want it with those miles.
Still, it looks and runs fine. I'll bet it has a lot of life left in it!
I do 36k/yr hiway commute. Wife does 15mi round trip daily. Know next to nothing about cars. Can't afford new so need to rely on advice, mechanic's reports and luck to hope I get cheap & reliable used ones.
My 245k 4cyl 89 Dodge Spirit Turbo bled out last Wednesday, had to add 13 quarts of oil to get it home Best car I ever had: $1100 bought me 4 yrs & 140k. Only had to spring for a clutch, breaks & tires, oil & filter every 3k.
My wife's 109k 4cyl 94 Lumina Sedan is on life support w/55psi compression in 2 cylinders. 2nd best car I ever owned, it was a friend's freebie )) that gave me 17k for the year we've had it.
Limped the Lumina to a Hyundai dealer yesterday for a 4cyl 03 base Accent, no air. Don't spoil my day by telling me I could have done better than $8357
Have a mechanic's OK on a 91 Dodge Dynasty V6 3.3L A/T w/166k that a private party wants $1000 for. Very nice car. Some staining at year-old water pump suggests $200+ pump may lie in the future. Oil seepage at valve cover & oil pan gasket deemed acceptable given age/mileage; all cylinders register 145-155psi. Front brakes w/25% life left but expect rotors as well as pads ($200?); rear brakes w/50% left, expect pads only. Alignment & tuneup suggested.
Test drove a 99k 4cyl 93 Civic DX 5spd trade-in at Hyundai dealer yesterday, very nice. $100 refundable deposit later, he'll have this $1200 car taken to local mechanic of my choice so I can pay to have it checked out.
Here's where the advice & opinions come in...
While I am junking the Dodge, I'm wondering whether I should keep the Lumina (NJ inspected thru 7/4) till it dies. I would supplement the Lumina by buying either the Civic or the Dynasty as a 3rd car, but am I kidding myself that a Lumina w/2 lousy cylinders might limp thru till next summer doing 100 miles/week? We did take it 100 mile round trip to purchase the Hyundai yesterday, and it's stuttering/lack of power was not a problem on hiway w/cruise set to 55mph, but the wife would be doing local where it's pretty much a dog-tired beast struggling to hit 30mph from a stop. As long as she had the backup car, a AAA tow to a junkyard is an acceptable no-cost low-pain end to this car, but if the opinion is junk it sooner than later...
...then I might be able to swing buying both the Dynasty & the Civic, provided the latter checks out OK, as I pretty much always have to have 3 cars just in case. So as for the Civic, what besides road test, lift look, compression & emission test should I have checked? I've read distributor failure ($550?) is common thru 93 models, oxygen sensors ($200?) thru 95. Anything else? Would a mechanic be able to tell if distributor was changed? Whether the timing chain (or belt?) has been replaced? Would failure of timing chain/belt likely cause engine damage in 93 Civic? (While I'm at it, neglected to ask about timing chain/belt on Dynasty, so if you know about whether mechanic could tell and whether failure leads to engine damage, I'd appreciate that too).
I'm obviously hoping the Civic checks out OK, since I'm drooling over the prospect of getting another 4yrs & 140k for my $1200. While I love the 10/100 Hyundai warranty, I'd sure like to take 5, 6, 7 or more years to put 100k on it, rather than just pile on 100k in under 3 yrs.
As for the Dynasty, come the snow & ice of winter here along US78 in NJ, I'm thinking it might be a bit safer than an Accent or Civic up against the semis and SUVs out there. With 166k on it I don't think I should expect to be so lucky to again get near 250k on a Chrysler engine, so if I do get both the Dynasty and the Civic, I'd probably want to limit the Dynasty to standby/winter driving.
Hope I haven't taken up too much of your time w/my car woe$, but it is what it is and I'd appreciate anyone's 2 cents, either here or at mecca3atenter.net. Thanks
I don't really think the V-6's last any longer.
It sounds like you put a deposit to hold that Civic while you continue to shop.
This is why most dealers won't "hold" a car.
Distributor problems aren't THAT common on those, but they CAN go bad sometimes. This isn't a big deal when you factor in the overall reliability of that car.
It's also possible to pry back the timing belt cover to see if it's been replaced. They can usually tell that way.
Anyway, good luck!
I think (check the gates rubber website, dunno the address) that this is an interference engine, like most Hondas. Unless you're sure the belt has been done recently, have it done immediately. The car has another 100k++ in it, but not if the belt breaks.
You want to have the belt replacement done RIGHT, btw, it'll last a loong time if it isn't too tight. May be necessary to remove the engine to do this; dunno about the '93. Either $200 or $5-600, depending.
I did my first timing belt on a VW Fox, with simple tools, no experience, and in 2.5 hours in my garage.. but not an interference engine.
Belt cost way less than $50, it's all in the labor. If you have it done, ask the mechanic about changing the water pump at the same time; cheap insurance... you need a good mechanic with these old jalopies.
Good luck,
-Mathias
Otherwise, he is not charging me for $89 dealer inspction and prep, as I'll be paying a private mechanic to do that.
As for the distributor & O2 sensor, no problem if they fail, just tow and fix, right? But sounds like timing belt could tear up engine so I'll likely fix rightaway, unless I can get indication it's already been done.
Does anyone know where the thermo sensor switch is located on this model? Does it even have one? If not, how is the fan activated when engine temps go up to unacceptable levels?
George
According to a Haynes manual I have, code 12 means the right front sensor is noisy or intermittent. Searching the web, I found it might mean the sensor is open circuit. I measured the sensor resistance, and it showed 950 ohms. I also got 200mv AC when rotating the wheel by hand as fast as I could. I don't know if these numbers are right for this car, but they fall into the general range from articles I have read. I compared the voltage when running the same test on the front right wheel, and it is a little lower, but pretty much the same.
I checked the wiring, and it looks clean; no corrosion that I could find. I also unplugged/plugged in the connectors under the hood and on the ABS ECU just to make sure, but it didn't help
As the part is fairly expensive, I was wondering if anyone could confirm code 12 defintely indicates a problem with the right front wheel sensor. I want to make sure code 12 doesn't mean a different sensor, or a problem with the modulator. Also, if you have any other ideas for me to try, I would appreciate it.
Thanks for your help!
Fishhawk
I noticed it was moving much slower than the passenger window and both rear windows, but one day it just hung up and I had to pull on it to get it to roll up, I ended up doing another test of it and it totally locked down in the middle half way up. I then noticed it had ran up over the gasket a bit and I worked it free but it still didn't act like it wanted to close. So I've left it rolled up ever since. I called the dealer and they said it sounded like a regulator $380 to replace. does this sound unusual in a newer civic? Especially since I beginning to get concerned with my front passenger window its slowing down like the drivers was, does anyone think it might possibly be electrical? or any other suggestions?
BTW on the auxiliary fan from ssliberty. I had my fan on an 86 civic go out about a year and a half ago, and I don't know if yours is the switch or not, but mine was the fan motor itself going bad, we tried the switch and replaced it, and I ended up having to take it to a mechanic because it was so cramped up there we couldn't get the fan off to replace it, but it might be worth looking into, i do suggest using the "heater trick" and shutting the car down if you think it will overheat into the red zone.
when I 1st bought the car it had 44k on it and it did great for about 2 months, but then it started running hot, and I drove it to the mechanic after trying to fix the problem myself. any way after a new timing belt and new water pump (the culprit)
the car began burning oil, which it still does 86 k later. But it was getting progressively worse.
All I can say is if its running hot SHUT IT DOWN
I have already blown a 4 runner, and then messed up my 86 Honda from running them hot. its not worth it
but that's my 2 cents
I remember in my VW I would get high temp light to blink and the temp gauge was all the way up, turned out I had a bad spark plug wire and it was causing the spark plug to misfire and overheating resulted form that
The window was fixed by replacing the seal that runs in the channel (in which the glass rides in). That had become dry and chewed up. Replacement of the seal fixed it instantly and cost me about $50. I replaced it myself - not too difficult if you are mechanically minded.
The groaning locks caused me no problem other than the noise and so I never did anything about it.
I now have a 2002 EX and the drivers window make a strange mechanical binding sound as it is lowered. It works fine, but the noise sounds like there are some loose mechanicals inside the door. Anyone else have this noise?
do. Detroit sacrifices quality to save a penny.
All you have to do is put any Detroit car from the same class up against a Honda Civic and you can immediately tell which automaker uses the cheaper suppliers. I think this goes without saying. All automakers try to keep their costs down, but the Japanese automakers, Honda in particular, have a focus on quality, not just cost. You can put a $45,000 Cadillac DeVille up against a $30,000 Acura TL and there's absolutely no comparison; the Acura wins hands down. The quality in the Acura just completely makes the Cadillac look horrid and yet GM prices the Cadillac way to high for what you get. Also, check our Consumer Reports and other auto trade publications and they all show Honda products to be far superior to the Detroit automakers. Honda's have had their share of issues, too. They're definitely not perfect. Honda and Toyota have raised the bar so high, Detroit will never catch up now.
It still has never leaked a drop of oil and gets 37 mpg average per tank. Changed the oil between 4 & 5 K miles (10W30). The worst thing I ever did to it was take the tag off last week and leave it to sit in the driveway. Nobody wants it with so many miles and my daughter won't be old enough to drive for a year and a half.
The most serious problem the car has is the tinting is bubbling from sitting in the Florida sun at work.
I got a really good deal on an Integra GSR, which I've always wanted. BUT I'm considering selling it at a profit and driving the Civic another 200K miles because it doesn't cost as much a one car payment a year for maintenance. I traded in my previous Civic (84 Civic S HB) with 246K miles with the original clutch. The only thing wrong with that one was the fabric coming off the driver's seat.
1) Right from the start I have noticed a marked lack of acceleration particularly when I try to go over 50 miles speed and even during the slightest climbs (as low as 10 degree gradient). The engine quickly revs up to 3000 - 4000 RPM even at speed as low as 30 - 40. I find this rather strange for a brand new car and wonder if this is something normal for a Honda Civic - automatic in particular? Is it because the car is still so new and these things would improve with time or there is need for some adjustments to be made on it? I would like to know what the experience of other Honda Civic 2003 owners is in this regard.
2) Moreover after short drives, wherever I park it, a small pool of water forms on the parking surface under the bonnet area. Has any other owner of Civic experienced this too? What could be this due to? Could there something wrong with the car cooling system?
3) Of course the low quality audio system on the car is another big disappointments for me. The quality of stereo sound is rather poor. How can I improve the quality of sound - any suggestions? What would be a more satisfactory alternative / modification / replacement that I can make to get some decent sound quality? How much would such a modification / replacement cost?
After buying the Civic I got a chance to drive a new 2003 Toyota Corolla Sedan for a few days recently - and I did not experience any of these deficiencies there. I found the overall response & stability of that car far superior to the Civic.
Finally are there any particular precautions / care that I need to take during the first 1000 miles of driving?
Shall look forward to getting useful comments / suggestions from other present and past owners of Civic.
Ghorag
2) Every car with an air conditoner will drip some clear water if you run the AC.
3) I've gotten several complements on the stereo in my Si.
The manual tells you about recommended break-in driving. No hard acceleration or hard braking for 600 miles is the gist of it. To that, I'd add 'vary speed'; i.e. don't break it in by driving 600 miles with the cruise control.
Yes, performance gets better over the first several K miles.
I'm sorry you're not happy with your EX. The auto tranny in any car would turn me off.
Just curious, but what kind of car did you drive previously? Did you have any expectations for the Civic to drive like a sports car?
I have a 2003 4-door Civic LX with automatic transmission. My other car is a 200 hp Firebird, so I did not expect the Civic to be fast. I just wanted to get more than 23 MPG in my long distance stop & go commute.
When I first test drove my Civic, I was quite impressed by how peppy the little car was. It certainly was faster than some of the previous cars that I had, but the peppiness fades when you go uphill. But it's still reasonable for a car that only has115 hp and a 2500 lb body.
With only 200 miles on the odo, your car is hardly broken in yet. According to the owner's manual, you have to drive gently for the first 600 miles. This means no sudden acceleration and no sudden brakeing either. You'll also have to vary your speed.
Once your car is properly broken in, you should feel some improvement in acceleration. At least, I did with my Civic. It is also possible that I just got used to driving it.
Gas mileage is the Civic's forte. I get 37 MPG in my stop & go commute.
And yes, the Civic runs at higher RPM's than some other cars. This is normal. At 70 MPH, my Civic is at 3,100 RPM, whereas my Firebird is only at 1,800 RPM.
Even when driving 30 MPH, it is normal for the Civic to run at 1,700 to 3,000 RPM (or higher if uphill).
I think the peak of the engine's performance is at or close to the redline. I don't know if it's true because I've never pushed my car that hard, but I heard that you have to drive the car like you stole it in order to feel the power. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The water puddle under the car is probably from your air conditioning. If you haven't been using your A/C, get your car checked out for leaks.
As for the stereo, Honda's stock radio/CD isn't that good, but there's always AFTERMARKET GOODIES available!!! ^_^ You'll see me hunting for a new stereo after my warranty ends.
Last, one tip about new Civic care: don't change the oil before your first 5,000 miles. Honda puts some special kind of break-in oil in the engine.
Hope you'll learn to love your car.
My driving experience is limited to a manual Toyota Camry (91) & a few rentals here & there. I was not expecting sports car performance from the Civic, but atleast a solid car feeling (had read such good reviews about the Civic). The high rpms & the lack of responsiveness to acceleration make me quite tense while driving it. I guess I'll get used to it..
It's just my opinion, but I think much of what gripes you is that auto tranny. My primary car has always been a manny, and driving an auto always leaves me feeling dissatisfied.
You may find a little more happiness and fun if use the AC less and drive the car higher in the rev range. Honda engines are built to rev.
You'll take a beating if you trade; but, if you get that bummed, I think you'd find the Civic Si to be what you're looking for.
Anyone else experience this little quirk? Any idea what causes it and how much to fix?
Any insight is much appreciated!
I have a 99 Honda Civic with automatic transmission. Since i bought the car i noticed a lack of acceleration power that makes me not confident when merging to highways.
Besides that, i noticed that i have to press the accelerator pedal several times to keep the speed above 50miles.
I have not experienced none of the things above while driving other similar cars (non-honda).
My question is whether this would be a normal issue with Honda Civic or my car in particular and if there is a recommendation to get any improve in performance or maintenance you suggest?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
need to say that) I don't have trouble merging or going with the flow, it doesn't sound normal for you to have 2 press the accelerator several times to keep the speed above 50 (I have to press mine once and keep it pressed) Sounds like some hands-on troubleshooting is needed.
Secondly, if I hit the recirculate button, my air coming out of the vents slows to almost nothing. I have to turn the fan on max to feel much if anything coming out.
The car has 19k miles on it and everything else is fine. Would tinting the windows help?