Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

stickguy · November 6

I'll believe it is comparable to the Civic hybrid as predicted given the powertrain and weight. Regardless, it should be plenty quick enough for me.

The Prelude was never really a straight line hot rod anyway. If you want a C8, get one of those! The Prelude was always more of a sporty, drivers car. Ride and handling is something you get to feel every time you drive. drag racing, well, don't do that very often.

andres3 · November 6

stickguy said:
I'll believe it is comparable to the Civic hybrid as predicted given the powertrain and weight. Regardless, it should be plenty quick enough for me.

The Prelude was never really a straight line hot rod anyway. If you want a C8, get one of those! The Prelude was always more of a sporty, drivers car. Ride and handling is something you get to feel every time you drive. drag racing, well, don't do that very often.

If it's 6 seconds to 60 it's OK, if it's 9 seconds then no.

stickguy · November 6

highly unlikely with 200 HP

Michaell · November 6

stickguy said:
highly unlikely with 200 HP

Perhaps not.

Civic Hybrid does 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds.

Figure the Prelude is a bit heavier - so, maybe 7 seconds? Still plenty quick. I'd be more concerned if it didn't handle corners all that well.

ab348 · November 6

C&D says it should be about 200 lbs lighter than the Civic because it is shorter, and estimates 0-60 at 6 seconds. The comments there are complaining that is slow. Has any Prelude ever done 0-60 that fast?

Michaell · November 6

ab348 said:
C&D says it should be about 200 lbs lighter than the Civic because it is shorter, and estimates 0-60 at 6 seconds. The comments there are complaining that is slow. Has any Prelude ever done 0-60 that fast?

EV acceleration has warped the publics' sense of perception, me thinks. 6 seconds is plenty quick.

stickguy · November 6

the bar for slow has gone down a lot in recent years. I don't even take it seriously now since some of the sources think that anything short of a Hellcat can't get out of it's own way and is a danger on the roads.

corvette · November 6

@stickguy I think you just invited @roadburner and @andres3 to a debate.

stickguy · November 6

more power to them.

I will take RBs Ti. More fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow, and in normal driving, where is the fun in a car you can't take over 1,500 RPM without risking your license?

Michaell · November 6

@stickguy said:
more power to them.

I will take RBs Ti. More fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow, and in normal driving, where is the fun in a car you can't take over 1,500 RPM without risking your license?

^^^This^^^

tifighter · November 6

@Michaell said:
Perhaps not.

Civic Hybrid does 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds.

Figure the Prelude is a bit heavier - so, maybe 7 seconds? Still plenty quick. I'd be more concerned if it didn't handle corners all that well.

UK outlets that have had first drives already quoting 0-60 at 8 seconds. Lots of these reviews on YouTube already.

https://youtu.be/_Rk-3xAAg0w?si=0GFv_Ad1aDWbTamE

tjc78 · November 7

Guys …8 seconds to 60 is a disgrace in this day for a “sporty” car. Honda did a nice job with the styling and interior but “where’s the beef?”

You’d get smoked by an Odyssey.

My Ram is 5 seconds to 60 and weighs as much as a house.

stickguy · November 7

Good thing I don’t often drag race minivans!

To each his own but that is plenty fast for me combined with the reported excellent handing and road manners, fun to drive aspect, and probably getting 40 MPG doing it. Plus it looks cool.

tjc78 · November 7

I hear you… but 8 seconds feels slow to me today. Not saying you always need it, but it’s nice to have.

benjaminh · November 7

Back in the 1990s one of my dream cars was a BMW 525i Touring wagon. Just looked up a test for this car and 0-60 was about 11 seconds, which was slow even back then. The 525 touring had a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder with 189 horsepower, but weight was 3800 pounds. Length of the 525 touring was 186 inches and width was 69 inches. Our 2025 Subaru Outback is slightly larger and yet a bit lighter, has similar horsepower from its 4-cylinder engine, and has a 0-60 time of about 8.5 seconds. That's slow by today's standards, but fast enough for us, and significantly faster than a BMW 525 was back in the 1990s. And the turbo Outback can go 0-60 in 6 seconds. My TLX can accelerate to 60 for merging onto the freeway in about 7 seconds, but I almost never push it that hard.

I agree that the crazy fast acceleration of EVs, and even the power of today's turbos, has shifted downward for many what's considered acceptable acceleration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udMOsC8TFmU

PS Back in 1972 a BMW 2002 tii (with the optional fuel-injected engine) was tested by C & D, and their 0-60 results came in at 9 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142126/1972-bmw-2002-tii-archived-road-test-review/

The prose of this review from 1972 is amusing.

"It'll start with the smooth-talking pencil pusher in the Auto Loan Department whose lips will purse into a dry whistle when he sees the price. "Forty-five hundred bucks for a car the size of a Pinto?" Not only will he restudy your credit rating dossier but all of the forms relating to your mental health as well. And if everything turns out OK in that interview you can count on a stress session with your wife when she finds out her automatic Maytag is another 36 months away and you still don't have a Sunday afternoon showpiece for the driveway. Even automotive steak tartare still looks like raw hamburger to most people...

All of which is intended to make this shoe box sedan a fit packing crate for the engine, which is a pulse-quickener in BMW's own inimitable way. Of course it makes more power, 140 SAE gross now, up from the 2002's 113 at the same 5800 rpm. Torque is higher too, 130 lb-ft at 4500 rpm, 14 lb-ft more at 1000 rpm higher peak. And it's all brought to you through the mystery of fuel injection. Oh sure, there are a few helpers on the side—larger exhaust valves and the half-point higher compression ratio and the increased capacity exhaust system all make their contribution—but the injection is the feature attraction. It is a mechanical system made by Kugelfischer..."

kyfdx · November 7

The wagons are only given the lowest HP. It's dumb.

But, that engine even 10 years newer (2003), the 3-series and 5-series wagons only have 184 HP.

oldfarmer50 · November 7

stickguy said:
I'll believe it is comparable to the Civic hybrid as predicted given the powertrain and weight. Regardless, it should be plenty quick enough for me.

The Prelude was never really a straight line hot rod anyway. If you want a C8, get one of those! The Prelude was always more of a sporty, drivers car. Ride and handling is something you get to feel every time you drive. drag racing, well, don't do that very often.

A base model C8 is $70k. How many Preludes could you get for that?

explorerx4 · November 7

Prelude was designed by committee or ChatGPT. Not sure which.

graphicguy · November 7

The one thing that I'm going to miss if I let my EV6 go is the speed and torque. It's faster than my Stinger was, and that car was no slouch. People on the road see the EV6, figuring it's an "Econo" Kia, and try to block me out from merging. It literally leaves them in my rearview in an instant. But, that's what EVs are really good at.

Thanks for the info on the GLI. I do like my cars all decked out. If the GLI is a downgrade from the GTI, that will probably be a pass.

My last Accord was probably as fast as the Prelude (maybe faster). What is Honda thinking?

WRX is kind of plasticky on the inside, but boy, is it a hoot to drive. It's been a bit since I last test drove one. Will have to climb back in the saddle again.

I'll throw the Camry XSE in the mix given @nyccarguy experience. But, either the local dealerships or Toyota in general are not putting many of those on the lots. Hard to find one I like to test drive. You want a 4-Runner? A Tundra? A Tacoma? They have loads of those. Just no Camrys.

jmonroe1 · November 7

corvette said:
@stickguy I think you just invited @roadburner and @andres3 to a debate.

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Now we’ll see how fast @stickguy can get out of town. At least out of this forum.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · November 7

tjc78 said:
I hear you… but 8 seconds feels slow to me today. Not saying you always need it, but it’s nice to have.

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Like a nice bank account.

jmonroe

Michaell · November 7

graphicguy said:
The one thing that I'm going to miss if I let my EV6 go is the speed and torque. It's faster than my Stinger was, and that car was no slouch. People on the road see the EV6, figuring it's an "Econo" Kia, and try to block me out from merging. It literally leaves them in my rearview in an instant. But, that's what EVs are really good at.

Thanks for the info on the GLI. I do like my cars all decked out. If the GLI is a downgrade from the GTI, that will probably be a pass.

My last Accord was probably as fast as the Prelude (maybe faster). What is Honda thinking?

WRX is kind of plasticky on the inside, but boy, is it a hoot to drive. It's been a bit since I last test drove one. Will have to climb back in the saddle again.

I'll throw the Camry XSE in the mix given @nyccarguy experience. But, either the local dealerships or Toyota in general are not putting many of those on the lots. Hard to find one I like to test drive. You want a 4-Runner? A Tundra? A Tacoma? They have loads of those. Just no Camrys.

My comments about the GLI are from 5 or 6 years ago, so there may have been improvements. Don't dismiss it without at least giving it a look. And, you can still get a GLI with a stick, which isn't the case with the GTI.

I think @stickguy and I think 7-8 seconds is plenty fast because we grew up with malaise era cars that often had less than 100 HP and needed a sundial to measure 0-60 times. My '79 Sunbird (Iron Duke 2.5) and '85 Accord (1.8L?) both had around 85 HP and manual transmissions.

I don't think I've ever owned a car that would be considered "fast" by this crowd. The daughters MINI had 181 HP, the Outback 250-ish, and her new Sportage hybrid has, I think, 230-odd HP. While adequate to merge into traffic or onto the highway, none of them are fast. Even my '16 Jetta, with 150HP from a 1.4L turbo 4, felt pretty good to me - the low down torque, especially at altitude, made me grin when I stomped the go pedal.

@graphicguy, I did test drive a Camry XSE a few months ago, and was pretty impressed by it. Probably a lot like the Accord hybrid you previously owned, except you can get the Camry with AWD.

stickguy · November 7

I think it is about the percentage used. If say 8 seconds is the fastest you would ever need to go and the car can do 7, you have about a 12% extra cushion. If it can do 4 then you are not using 50%. In either case it does what you need done.

And 0-60 times in a magazine don’t have a lot to do with real world driving such as merging into a highway. That’s more likely to be a 30-70 move.

andres3 · November 7

tjc78 said:
I hear you… but 8 seconds feels slow to me today. Not saying you always need it, but it’s nice to have.

Agreed. There's a huge difference between 6 seconds and 8 seconds. 33%.
Wasn't my '06 A3 around 7 seconds. That was a fun car. The problem with slow today is that even the lightest cars are not that light (except for the lightest of the light). A barely over 2,000 pound early 90's Civic is another story.

andres3 · November 7

explorerx4 said:
Prelude was designed by committee or ChatGPT. Not sure which.

If Chat GPT you still need inputs..... was the direction to design a car that looks fast but isn't? To make a fuel efficient sport-y-ish car?

andres3 · November 7

benjaminh said:
Back in the 1990s one of my dream cars was a BMW 525i Touring wagon. Just looked up a test for this car and 0-60 was about 11 seconds, which was slow even back then. The 525 touring had a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder with 189 horsepower, but weight was 3800 pounds. Length of the 525 touring was 186 inches and width was 69 inches. Our 2025 Subaru Outback is slightly larger and yet a bit lighter, has similar horsepower from its 4-cylinder engine, and has a 0-60 time of about 8.5 seconds. That's slow by today's standards, but fast enough for us, and significantly faster than a BMW 525 was back in the 1990s. And the turbo Outback can go 0-60 in 6 seconds. My TLX can accelerate to 60 for merging onto the freeway in about 7 seconds, but I almost never push it that hard.

I agree that the crazy fast acceleration of EVs, and even the power of today's turbos, has shifted downward for many what's considered acceptable acceleration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udMOsC8TFmU

PS Back in 1972 a BMW 2002 tii (with the optional fuel-injected engine) was tested by C & D, and their 0-60 results came in at 9 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142126/1972-bmw-2002-tii-archived-road-test-review/

The prose of this review from 1972 is amusing.

"It'll start with the smooth-talking pencil pusher in the Auto Loan Department whose lips will purse into a dry whistle when he sees the price. "Forty-five hundred bucks for a car the size of a Pinto?" Not only will he restudy your credit rating dossier but all of the forms relating to your mental health as well. And if everything turns out OK in that interview you can count on a stress session with your wife when she finds out her automatic Maytag is another 36 months away and you still don't have a Sunday afternoon showpiece for the driveway. Even automotive steak tartare still looks like raw hamburger to most people...

All of which is intended to make this shoe box sedan a fit packing crate for the engine, which is a pulse-quickener in BMW's own inimitable way. Of course it makes more power, 140 SAE gross now, up from the 2002's 113 at the same 5800 rpm. Torque is higher too, 130 lb-ft at 4500 rpm, 14 lb-ft more at 1000 rpm higher peak. And it's all brought to you through the mystery of fuel injection. Oh sure, there are a few helpers on the side—larger exhaust valves and the half-point higher compression ratio and the increased capacity exhaust system all make their contribution—but the injection is the feature attraction. It is a mechanical system made by Kugelfischer..."

I feel like BMW didn't get the HP war memo's until about 2005-2010 or so. They were not particularly known for power back then (more the total driving experience and luxury); which is why I was so attracted to Honda's 240 HP V6 in 2003. Of course, M's were out of my price bracket and don't count.

28firefighter · November 7

The i5 departed today for SoCal. Lease transfer took about 48 business hours start to finish, which is really nice.

My son has named the Taco "Big Dumper" hahahaha.

xwesx · November 7

The only vehicle I ever owned that cracked the 200 HP threshold is my Q7, but the weight means it wasn't too different from any of my other cars, acceleration-wise, until I tuned it. Now, it is reasonably peppy when I ask it to be. Still, I'm fine with all of their performance 99% of the time.

The Powerstroke is a different beast entirely. Sure, it weighs more than two Subarus, but it still knocks the socks off them in terms of acceleration. While fun at times, I appreciate it more for the towing potential. And, it definitely isn't something you want to corner fast.

tifighter · November 7

Carmax comes in today at $39.4 on the type R, for anyone wondering…

roadburner · November 7

stickguy said:
I’m pretty much lined up with GG. I want to try a WRX but it might make me feel old. I like the GTI but my wife is anti VW. But I really want to try a prelude. Could likely get the wife to go along with that.

Still a chance we go to the Albany auto show this weekend!

The last car that made me feel old was the F10 5er. As soon as I got behind the wheel and drove it a few miles it began screaming, "Old man's car!"

xwesx · November 7

tifighter said:
Carmax comes in today at $39.4 on the type R, for anyone wondering…

Not bad! About $4,000 less than MSRP after three model years.

jmonroe1 · November 7

xwesx said:
The only vehicle I ever owned that cracked the 200 HP threshold is my Q7, but the weight means it wasn't too different from any of my other cars, acceleration-wise, until I tuned it. Now, it is reasonably peppy when I ask it to be. Still, I'm fine with all of their performance 99% of the time.

The Powerstroke is a different beast entirely. Sure, it weighs more than two Subarus, but it still knocks the socks off them in terms of acceleration. While fun at times, I appreciate it more for the towing potential. And, it definitely isn't something you want to corner fast.

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I think I know what you mean. My Genny has 420 HP but it’s a heavy car. Still I don’t want to put any dimples in my head rest.

jmonroe

roadburner · November 7

Michaell said:

@stickguy said:

more power to them.

I will take RBs Ti. More fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow, and in normal driving, where is the fun in a car you can't take over 1,500 RPM without risking your license?

^^^This^^^

I like cars at both ends of the spectrum; the ti offers an experience that no new car can replicate, yet it's still modern enough that it could serve as my DD if I wanted. In contrast, the C43 feels like an E39 M5 gene spliced with a 1970's Chevelle 454 SS (and yes, I've had considerable seat time in both). As Jared Gall put it, "...the folks in Affalterbach are the rednecks of Europe"- and the C43 really bears that out. Every day.

roadburner · November 7

tjc78 said:
Guys …8 seconds to 60 is a disgrace in this day for a “sporty” car. Honda did a nice job with the styling and interior but “where’s the beef?”

You’d get smoked by an Odyssey.

My Ram is 5 seconds to 60 and weighs as much as a house.

Ditto for the 4xe- it can run the quarter 13.8 seconds. It's crazy.

roadburner · November 7

benjaminh said:
Back in the 1990s one of my dream cars was a BMW 525i Touring wagon. Just looked up a test for this car and 0-60 was about 11 seconds, which was slow even back then. The 525 touring had a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder with 189 horsepower, but weight was 3800 pounds. Length of the 525 touring was 186 inches and width was 69 inches. Our 2025 Subaru Outback is slightly larger and yet a bit lighter, has similar horsepower from its 4-cylinder engine, and has a 0-60 time of about 8.5 seconds. That's slow by today's standards, but fast enough for us, and significantly faster than a BMW 525 was back in the 1990s. And the turbo Outback can go 0-60 in 6 seconds. My TLX can accelerate to 60 for merging onto the freeway in about 7 seconds, but I almost never push it that hard.

I agree that the crazy fast acceleration of EVs, and even the power of today's turbos, has shifted downward for many what's considered acceptable acceleration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udMOsC8TFmU

PS Back in 1972 a BMW 2002 tii (with the optional fuel-injected engine) was tested by C & D, and their 0-60 results came in at 9 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142126/1972-bmw-2002-tii-archived-road-test-review/

The prose of this review from 1972 is amusing.

"It'll start with the smooth-talking pencil pusher in the Auto Loan Department whose lips will purse into a dry whistle when he sees the price. "Forty-five hundred bucks for a car the size of a Pinto?" Not only will he restudy your credit rating dossier but all of the forms relating to your mental health as well. And if everything turns out OK in that interview you can count on a stress session with your wife when she finds out her automatic Maytag is another 36 months away and you still don't have a Sunday afternoon showpiece for the driveway. Even automotive steak tartare still looks like raw hamburger to most people...

All of which is intended to make this shoe box sedan a fit packing crate for the engine, which is a pulse-quickener in BMW's own inimitable way. Of course it makes more power, 140 SAE gross now, up from the 2002's 113 at the same 5800 rpm. Torque is higher too, 130 lb-ft at 4500 rpm, 14 lb-ft more at 1000 rpm higher peak. And it's all brought to you through the mystery of fuel injection. Oh sure, there are a few helpers on the side—larger exhaust valves and the half-point higher compression ratio and the increased capacity exhaust system all make their contribution—but the injection is the feature attraction. It is a mechanical system made by Kugelfischer..."

Car and Driver writer Larry Webster's take on my Club Sport:

"Many cars may be faster, but few reward this type of driving like the Club Sport. The steering is perfectly weighted and unencumbered by front-drive torque steer. Strong brakes inspire confidence. The pedal placement makes heel-and-toeing easy for novices, and the gearbox invites frequent shifting.

Understeer is the dominant mode, but bringing the rear end around in a rear-driver takes little coaxing, which adds to the excitement.

There's a certain thrill achieved from successfully keeping this car hustling through the back roads. Without a powerful engine to launch the car out of corners, the driver must deliberately act to conserve precious momentum. There are certainly faster cars, but this one makes you feel like a pro at more sensible speeds. This is a trait few cars possess, and it's well worth the Club Sport's $3050 price premium."

xwesx · November 7

Reading the prior C&D comment made me smile.

I was reminded of my drive in the Crosstrek from the Oregon coast across to Salem this past August. It was exactly that with the added benefit of other drivers that seemed to have this mindset that it was a personal affront to them if another driver passed....

stickguy · November 7

one other thing to remember about published figures like C&D. They are using every drag race trick to get the quickest time. 4K RPM clutch dumps, brake torquing an AT, speed shifting, whatever works. Pretty much hammering the car without caring what it hurt, and not even close to normal driving. Might not make much difference to an EV, but can make a huge difference for a turbo engine. The 5-60 is a more real world number since people can actually drive like that. Or what consumers reports does. brake to gas and go! 30-70 is also a very good index of useful power.

I almost bought a 2000 BMW 525i new back then. I did take a few test drives. RWD of course (I think they all were back then) and goes without saying a 5 speed. No clue how fast 0-60 it was (I did not beat on it, and in normal driving it felt plenty peppy!) but I do remember taking it down a highway onramp and hitting the gas, and it went from maybe 30 to over the speed limit extremely quick. and very smooth. Very usable power band, where it does you some good.

oldfarmer50 · November 7

stickguy said:
one other thing to remember about published figures like C&D. They are using every drag race trick to get the quickest time. 4K RPM clutch dumps, brake torquing an AT, speed shifting, whatever works. Pretty much hammering the car without caring what it hurt, and not even close to normal driving. Might not make much difference to an EV, but can make a huge difference for a turbo engine. The 5-60 is a more real world number since people can actually drive like that. Or what consumers reports does. brake to gas and go! 30-70 is also a very good index of useful power.

I almost bought a 2000 BMW 525i new back then. I did take a few test drives. RWD of course (I think they all were back then) and goes without saying a 5 speed. No clue how fast 0-60 it was (I did not beat on it, and in normal driving it felt plenty peppy!) but I do remember taking it down a highway onramp and hitting the gas, and it went from maybe 30 to over the speed limit extremely quick. and very smooth. Very usable power band, where it does you some good.

One other thing that makes a difference on high torque cars is during those acceleration tests is that they turn off the traction control. If the TC applies braking to avoid wheel spin or fishtailing you can’t possibly get the best 0-60 times.

stickguy · November 7

true. it get so frustrating when you try to do a wheelie at the traffic light in front of the Cracker Barrell and your traction control shuts down the fun.

corvette · November 7

I can't reveal exactly how I know this, but my Maverick does not make the 0-60 run any faster if you brake torque it.

fintail · November 7

explorerx4 said:
Prelude was designed by committee or ChatGPT. Not sure which.

I'm waiting for full AI car designs. With so many of the past several years being less than enthralling, it seems within the realm of possibility.

stickguy · November 7

This is a real truck. One of the Seattle crew should buy it because I love it.

Sandman6472 · November 7

Had a Fender audio system in the 2015 Golf SE and it was pretty decent. The Harman Kardon unit in the new 2025 GTI is pretty good but haven't really turned it up that loud yet. Still kind of babying it a bit though I did go over a couple of speed bumps pretty harshly last week because I didn't see them up ahead. Really pissed me off doing that so am being super careful right now.

Drove a 2024 Subaru Legacy today and really liked it overall. Decent acceleration on I-95 and handling was pretty good for a mid-sized vehicle. Seats were comfy and the cloth felt comfortable, the side bolsters weren't too overdone either. Wasn't that happy with the HVAC/audio controls though I figured things out pretty quickly. A bigger vehicle then I'm used to but doable if necessary. I can see why Subaru sells a mess load of them, kinda like all the Subaru models I've driven though. Just not a fan of the infotainment layout...feels like it's still back in the '90's. But ain't as bad as Mazda in this respect as theirs are just plain awful! But that's a whole different discussion!

Sandman6472 · November 8

Drove a new Explorer the other day, their sporty one, and liked it. Not super big but just the right size. Excellent acceleration on I-95 and the interior, though all black, was screwed together very nicely. Today, had to move a brand new Buick Enclave to the wash line as it had just been pdi'd from the new car lot. A pretty massive vehicle but drove nicely. Definitely a GM product but a bit too big for my tastes. Prefer the Encore GX size better but if one needs to haul lots of people/stuff, makes perfect sense.

Best part about work is that we get to drive almost every vehicle out there. Saw a new 2026 Hyundai Palisade and liked the refresh, a lot! It looks so much better now and think Hyundai will move a lot of them. The Telluride is no longer the better looking SUV in the Hyundai/Kia lineup. Still loving the GTI and glad I finally pulled the trigger. Though would've been just fine if I waited another year but would've needed some work at the 80K point and just didn't want to throw more money at it as I knew it would be gone sooner then later. Had never changed the tranny fluid and the timing belt would probably had to be changed, two services that could've been expensive. Nice to have a vehicle under warranty again with everything working as designed. With just over 1350 miles, very happy even though it is a bit thirstier then the '15 Golf was. But with petrol around the $2.70/gallon mark, not sweating it too much. Am averaging about $10/week which ain't too bad. On a work day, only drive about 7 miles round trip and on many n/s days, it just sits in the garage. Try to consolidate my trips on Monday, Wednesday & Thursday and no longer drive just to have something to do. Too many crazy drivers out there and season is just about to start in these parts, so the crazy snowbirds will be cluttering up our roads soon enough.

Possibly going to take a trip to St. Augustine the last week of December...all depends on what happens when the wife goes up in mid-November. If our daughter does buy a house, I'll want to go up & see it and scout out the area for us. No sense renting now that I've got the GTI and need to start learning my way around the area as I'm totally lost there now. And the matter of us all getting one place is still being discussed though I think a place with an in-law suite would be a better choice. But not sure what the kid is thinking right now as she only talks with her mom about these things. All I know is that she'd like us there some time in mid-2026 instead of waiting till 2027. And at this point, can see it happening. As much as I like Enterprise, will have no problems leaving sooner then later actually. And going on a leave of absence instead of just resigning might be the way to go just in case there's a location near us I can work at. So lots of stuff going on right now and all dependent on what our kid does. Exciting though to think about the possibilities!

oldfarmer50 · November 8

Any thoughts on this? I know that some of you like to buy service loaners but do they tell you that they’re new cars?

https://youtube.com/shorts/69L0H96dQgQ?si=fQSwg_XkMwQgJNTL

ab348 · November 8

tifighter said:

@Michaell said:

Perhaps not.

Civic Hybrid does 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds.

Figure the Prelude is a bit heavier - so, maybe 7 seconds? Still plenty quick. I'd be more concerned if it didn't handle corners all that well.

UK outlets that have had first drives already quoting 0-60 at 8 seconds. Lots of these reviews on YouTube already.

https://youtu.be/_Rk-3xAAg0w?si=0GFv_Ad1aDWbTamE

I do not understand the 8 second 0-60. The heavier Civic Hybrid is widely reported as doing 0-60 in 6.0 to 6.5 seconds. The Prelude, with the same powerplant but 300lbs lighter, should beat that. Something does not add up.

EDIT: The CarGurus reviewer quoted 180HP which is not what Honda is saying for North America, and she only reported on the 0-60 time as stated by Honda UK, not her own tests, so this is apples and oranges. Not the best reviewer. Hold the torches and pitchforks for now.

ab348 · November 8

stickguy said:
This is a real truck. One of the Seattle crew should buy it because I love it.

What truck?

graphicguy · November 8

Michaell said:

graphicguy said:
The one thing that I'm going to miss if I let my EV6 go is the speed and torque. It's faster than my Stinger was, and that car was no slouch. People on the road see the EV6, figuring it's an "Econo" Kia, and try to block me out from merging. It literally leaves them in my rearview in an instant. But, that's what EVs are really good at.

Thanks for the info on the GLI. I do like my cars all decked out. If the GLI is a downgrade from the GTI, that will probably be a pass.

My last Accord was probably as fast as the Prelude (maybe faster). What is Honda thinking?

WRX is kind of plasticky on the inside, but boy, is it a hoot to drive. It's been a bit since I last test drove one. Will have to climb back in the saddle again.

I'll throw the Camry XSE in the mix given @nyccarguy experience. But, either the local dealerships or Toyota in general are not putting many of those on the lots. Hard to find one I like to test drive. You want a 4-Runner? A Tundra? A Tacoma? They have loads of those. Just no Camrys.
My comments about the GLI are from 5 or 6 years ago, so there may have been improvements. Don't dismiss it without at least giving it a look. And, you can still get a GLI with a stick, which isn't the case with the GTI.

I think @stickguy and I think 7-8 seconds is plenty fast because we grew up with malaise era cars that often had less than 100 HP and needed a sundial to measure 0-60 times. My '79 Sunbird (Iron Duke 2.5) and '85 Accord (1.8L?) both had around 85 HP and manual transmissions.

I don't think I've ever owned a car that would be considered "fast" by this crowd. The daughters MINI had 181 HP, the Outback 250-ish, and her new Sportage hybrid has, I think, 230-odd HP. While adequate to merge into traffic or onto the highway, none of them are fast. Even my '16 Jetta, with 150HP from a 1.4L turbo 4, felt pretty good to me - the low down torque, especially at altitude, made me grin when I stomped the go pedal.

@graphicguy, I did test drive a Camry XSE a few months ago, and was pretty impressed by it. Probably a lot like the Accord hybrid you previously owned, except you can get the Camry with AWD.

Appreciate your take. I don't need something that is/was as fast as my EV6 nor Stinger. Heck, there were lots of cars that would beat my old Cobra in a stop light to stop light war. I just don't want to own something that I can't get to easily overcome right lane huggers trying to teach us a lesson.

Speaking of which, had a lady last night, driving an A6 no less, driving 10 MPH+ under the speed limit. This was on a very busy two lane road on a busy street, right at 6:00 p.m....Friday night rush hour.

I was the first car behind her. While, I wasn't tailgating her, I made it known she could see me in her sideview mirror. I'd say there was a line of cars behind her that numbered at least 6 or 7. There was a person behind me who started honking at the lead car. Well, that made the A6 slow down even more.

Crossing the yellow line, the honking car passed me and the A6. Others started doing the same...honking as they went by.

At first, I thought there was something wrong with the A6 driver. But, she eventually turned off.....probably 40-ish. But, clueless as to why people were honking at her.....like "everyone can go to hell....I'm taking my slow sweet time".

She gave me the finger as she turned, so I guess she was OK. Funny, I was the only one who didn't honk at her, nor pass her. I'm the one who got the finger.

Back to cars....as mentioned, I really like Honda products. Will give the Integra a test drive. See what the new Accord is going to be like. Maybe Toyota will get their act together and boost production of the Camry...give an XSE a go round. Still wanting to drive a GLI manual trans, so that's on the short list, too.

nyccarguy · November 8

@explorerx4 said:
Prelude was designed by committee or ChatGPT. Not sure which.

It is definitely a head scratcher for sure. Honda obviously wanted to bring back the nameplate for nostalgia purposes. The hallmark of the Prelude was always exceptional handling. The nut jobs in the Prelude specific Facebook groups probably want the car to be like the outgoing Nissan GTR at the price of a Civic LX. Even that might be too expensive. Then there are people who have never even heard of the Prelude. My 5th gen is an oddball car among the masses. I could go at least a month without seeing another one on the road. Japanese manufacturers killed off coupes over 5 years ago, some more (Civic, Accord, Altima, Solara…)

My Integra is light and nimble. Steering is very direct. Between the Civic Si Sedan (6MT), the CVT & 6-Speed Integras, the Type R & Type S, Honda has its bases covered.

I know 0-60 times aren’t the only performance metric to measure a car by, but 7-8 seconds 0-60 isn’t going to do you much good in today’s automotive market.

explorerx4 · November 8

To me, it's a next gen CR-Z with the Prelue name slapped on it.

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