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GLS sometime after next January, as a mid-year change in model year 2000. This I've heard confirmed from several sources I consider to be reliable. The news was broken publicly at VWVortex several weeks ago (www.vwvortex.com), those guys are pretty close to some VWoA people.
As for the 4-Motion 24v Golf VR6, that's a crapshoot but I wouldn't bet on it. A dealer who posts to the GTI VR6 mailing list says that he was told at a dealer's meeting by VWoA that they *will* bring the 4-Motion Golf over in '01 or '02.
I'll believe it when I see it.. and I will see it in my driveway!
-kc-
'99 GTI GLX black/black
'86.5 Scirocco 16V 2.0
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/1780
Also, am I the only person who thinks the Audi S3 is incredibly sweet? I know why Audi won't import it, but they are really nice cars. Anyone know if there will ever be a VW equivalent to the S-series Audis?
2- have had to replace motor mounts three times.
Any one know if these are still problems on the newer cars?
-kc-
'99 GTI GLX
'86.5 Scirocco 16V 2.0 (4th one in California!)
No, probably the 2.0l 8v, right? See http://www.vwvortex.com for all kinds of info on what's coming to the States.
> ...will there be any issues with installing the
> much talked-about computer chip in this 2000
> GTI model to get the extra 50 hp?
I'm guessing it would void your warranty.
i dont know how much it cost but was wondering if anyone had any info on this year
carlady/host
As for chipping a 1.8T, it *will* void the powertrain warranty if the dealer finds out you did it. One possible work-around is to purchase a second complete ECU, which you keep stock and just swap in for the chipped one when going in for service. The only fault code that will come up is a disconnected battery - no bust!
-kc-
'99 GTI GLX
'86.5 Scirocco 16V 2.0
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/1780
I'm a huge VW fan (this is my 6th one, although only 2nd H2O-cooled) but some of what I've seen over on the Audi side of the family tree has caught my eye and I'm nearing the end of my lease. So I'm torn:
A. Buy out my GTI at a lower payment and pep it up a bit, or. . . (will a K&N Air Filter do anything for me for starters?)
B. At lease-end cash in my brownie points an slip into an A4 1.8T or VR6 Jetta. . .
Any thoughts on any or all of these ideas would be appreciated. . .
I ve got 105k on it and it's still runs great.
The only problem I've ever had was when a car wash
blew off the rubber molding in the top of the car.
I think my next investment will be with a techtonics chip and replacing the timing belt.
Chris
For what it's worth, there is not much between the two cars. The s3 develops about 210 hp peak using a modified 1.8T engine, and the Golf around 204 hp with the 24v V6.
The s3 got a semi enthusiastic review in CAR a couple of months ago for having a noisy engine, and uninteresting power delivery (little lag, consistent torque). The guy who wrote the review fgured that if the s3 didn't have the appeal of a huge turbo in driving, then he'd go for the Gti.
BTW, some local enthusiast in VA seems to have imported an a3 -- I've seen it on the Beltway on the way to work.
Bruce.
I am a CAR subscriber, and I remember the review of the s3. The author was only lukewarm in his reception of the car, but he was comparing it to the impreza turbo that has achieved cult status over here in England. I'd have to drive the cars to get an idea of the difference between vw/audi, but I saw a 4Motion in lugano a couple of months back and the car looked and went very fast. On paper the new 24v VR6, combined with the better interior of the golf would seem to me, to have the edge.
Bruce.
About the S3. It looks like BMW will have a competitor to the S3 in the upcoming redesigned M Compact. The hatchback version of the 3-series compact is supposed to be available in a 230hp M version. If it's priced similar to the S3, it should be around $30,000. Now, if BMW, unlike Audi, brings the car to the United States I'll be a very happy guy.
What type of wait are people seeing on the 2000 GTI GLX? I've been talking to some guy at a Dallas VW dealership and he has yet to tell me what type of wait I can look forward to. I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion. Thanks.
The only way to get your hands on one is to call, call, CALL!! any and all local dealers and keep calling until you score.. they are very rare, but demand is very small too. Work hard, you will be rewarded.
As for the 4-Motion Golf or NB, you're right, that was AutoWeek who said NB only to the US. But a sales rep who attended a recent VW function in Palm Springs came back and reported the opposite, and scoffed at AutoWeek.. he says they were told that the Golf 4-Motion *WOULD* be coming eventually, probably as an '01 model. Keep your fingers crossed!
Thanks
kcris
Okay, I've got a GTI GLX arriving in two weeks. I can afford the monthly payments. My question is, how pricey is my insurance going to be? Are GTIs expensive cars to insure? Are the insurance companies fooled by the fact that it is a hatchback? Okay, just something I'm worried about.
today and I nearly wet myself. The interior is a
thing of beuty with its dark wood trim and leather
seating. I sat down in the cockpit and I felt like
I was in a true sports car. I test drove the
thing despite the fact someone had already bought the darn thing over the phone and man was I impressed 0-60 in 6.8 and german engi. what more can a punk 17 kid want? Not a [non-permissible content removed] civic thats for sure. Anyway the guy was like the msrp for the 00' is 23,150. Is this guy trying to screw with me or what how much is fai for this car guys? Also he said black and
silver are the easiest colors to get everything
else is a longshot. Whats up with that what ever
happened to good ole red huh?
today and I nearly wet myself. The interior is a
thing of beuty with its dark wood trim and leather
seating. I sat down in the cockpit and I felt like
I was in a true sports car. I test drove the
thing despite the fact someone had already bought
the darn thing over the phone and man was I
impressed 0-60 in 6.8 and german engi. what more
can a punk 17 kid want? Not a [non-permissible content removed] civic thats for
sure. Anyway the guy was like the msrp for the 00'
is 23,150. Is this guy trying to screw with me or
what how much is fair guys? Also he said black and
silver are the easiest colors to get everything
else is a longshot. Whats up with that what eve
happened to good ole red huh?
jduong, what do you mean "second edition of the 1999?" There were two different versions of 1999 Golfs, but the current A4 version was the second of those. And the 2000 models are now out.
BTW, the Monsoon system is eight speakers, not ten.
I belive the only available colors are silver, black, flash red and tropic orange.
Best luck to all!!
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
carlady/host
However a recent outing in a golf here in england has put me off. The car is good but it is missing in some key areas. I found the audi A3 (which shares the golf's platform) to be more attractive. First, the option of a 1.8t 180bhp quattro (effectively a TT 180 quattro with a different, but almost as attractive skin.) is a real draw, plus the A3 while similar to the golf, in many ways, has the golf beat when it comes to interior and exterior looks (subjective ofcourse).
here's a link to a picture of the interior of the A3: <<A HREF="http://www.audi.de/audi_a3/ambiente/gall/beauty/shot-8/shots08_l.jpg">http://www.audi.de/audi_a3/ambiente/gall/beauty/shot-8/shots08_l.jpg>
While only a small shot of the dashboard, it helps get an idea, notice the order on the center panel? From the top: Controls then stereo then climate control then cup holders, just like edmunds requested.
There are more shots at of all audis including the A3 at:
<<A HREF="http://www.audi.de/homepage/index_en.html">http://www.audi.de/homepage/index_en.html>
I think VW should keep the golf as a family econo-car, a market that I believe it is best suited to and the market in which it has no equal. Then the audi A3 should be brought over as the "sport" hatchback. Drop the GTI altogether and then drop the 1.8t quattro, or new vr6 4motion into the A3. Now use the TT, S4 and sporty A3 as the spearhead for a new sports driven Audi.
While I know the A3 is not available in North America, I would buy one if it was and it does give an idea of how much better the golf could be. Clearly Audi uses the golf platform more effectively in the TT and A3/S3, than VW does.
What I'm sure of is that I test-drove the GTI and just couldn't think about owning anything else for a comparable price -- it was that good. I feel like a lot of recent reviews of the GTI (Edmund's included) are really missing the point. I've never owned a sporty car, but I can say with some conviction that the GTI hauls and handles wonderfully. It also looks great, can be converted into a mini-station wagon and is relatively affordable. THESE are the reasons I looked at GTI's -- NOT for their cup-holding abilities or radio button locations. It's a car, not a kitchen appliance.
The reason that I love Edmund's so much is that they give (in my opinion) a more "real-life" perspective on the cars they review than motorgeek magazines like Car & Driver. However, the "real-life" bottom line about cars like the Golf and GTI seems to be that people buy them because they're fun, reasonably priced and deliver performance beyond what their price tag might indicate. I just don't think that cupholders, or even something as subjective as steering weight really enter into the issue.
The Golf/GTI review just seemed exceptionally harsh, especially considering the initial Edmunds review of the Golf/GTI, which stated: "The Golf didn't disappoint, losing little of its old edge while gaining a sense of heft and balance that few cars in this class can match . . . We'd change little on the new Golf."