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  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
    As far as I know, they're on for good. But why would you want them off anyway?

    Jon
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Here in Connecticut "as-is" still has to be safe to drive, and the dealer is liable for any repairs. The '98 engine was pretty good, just listen for pinging when you inspect it. There was a problem with oil filters back then, some cars lost their blocks to oil leaks.

    You may have to chase this one to the wholesaler's lot, if they have one. Sounds like it's not something the dealer wants to retail.
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    Here's a portion of what Terry over on Real-World Trade-In values had to say about my prospect:

    <snip>
             I gotta figure the dealer has in and around the high $14's in it, then with a this and a that they are probably coming too the table at $15ish .. see if you can buy it at $17, then deduct the trade ..
    </snip>

    We're in the high $15's right now and aren't getting any lower after nearly a month of playing cat and mouse, so I think it's time to shake hands and cut a check. Don't think I will do much better around here on an Outback this clean unless it's dead of winter and nobody's buying, but I can't wait that long! The car was bought/serviced/traded here too, so the dealer offered to pull it's service history for me. They're also taking care of a couple minor complaints I had about the car. I just can't find any compelling reasons not to buy this vehicle and believe me, I've been looking real hard!

    BTW, thanks for your referral Steve! Terry's response was very informative.
  • ncvolncvol Member Posts: 196
    Any word on what modifications will be on the 2004 OB's? I know the major redesign will be in 2005, but you'd expect some minor tinkering just to differentiate them a little bit.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I heard an ad say that incentives had increased to $2000 on Legacys and Outbacks. That may impact resale, as people will buy new instead of used.

    You may want to consider new, actually. I've seen prices on fitzmall.com right around $20k, an extra year of payments is worth 3 years of warranty IMO. These things really hold their value.

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I don't think the price is that far out of line if it is really in great shape. The Subi dealer near me is still asking way more for '01 OBW with more miles. But, I would strongly consider shopping for a Subi Gold extended warr to go with your purchase for added peace-of-mind. You never really know the full history on a used car.....

    Last year I added 6yr/80k/$0 ded Gold plan for around $700 off the internet. That would really help make your used car feel like new!!

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sweet price, Steve. From where?

    -juice
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Learned Friends,
    I just looked at this:
    1995 Legacy Wagon (built 7/94) auto AWD in no-sale green w/ 221k miles.
    No major leaks, maybe a little seepage around the heads, but no spots on ground. Runs fine, AC blew a couple months ago, they said. Heat works, though.
    A sound from the pass rear side: fwap fwap fwap... goes with wheel speed. A little bit of a metallic clunk mixed in. NO change in sound when doing slow figure-eight's in the parking lot. I'm a little worried about it -- It's nothing obvious like a torn boot or anything like that.

    The driver seat has almost completely collapsed; I can drive it, my 5'3" wife wouldn't see over the steering wheel. Pillow? :-)

    No rust, a little dent and scratch here and there, interior worn but not too bad for a high-mileage car. Tires Ok.

    No records to speak of; a couple recalls, oil change, serpentine belt, that sort of stuff.. all around 210k. No record of the timing belts -- are these interference engines? And do those belts break?

    Offer of $1k was refused; strong indication $1,4-1,500 would suffice (asked $2). What say you? Run don't walk -- or the ultimate winter beater?

    Awaiting your counsel, I remain
    -Mathias
    East Lansing, MI
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The wheel bearings are shot. That's the speed dependent noise. I'd bet on it.

    Parts can add up, but it's not hard to fix yourself. I would not consider it safe to drive around with bad bearings, at some point they'll fail completely.

    Get prices on those parts first, so you know what it'll really cost you.

    With that mileage and no service records, though, the price seems high.

    -juice
  • ncvolncvol Member Posts: 196
    It's obviously not the same vehicle, but I just paid nearly $1000 to get the rear wheel bearings replaced on my Ford Explorer. Sounds like you'll be buying a problem that will cost almost as much as the car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It was $820 or so on our Mazda 626.

    That's a dealer price with labor.

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    After some strong negotiating (first by e-mail, then by phone), we settled on a price for the warranty. I was thrilled, and asked if I could post details here on Edmunds. He said that he preferred if I did not - I guess too low of a price - below what they usually get. Conn dealer near the coast (I-95).

    Steve
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Thanks, guys, for bringing me to my senses. I have GOT to stop looking at old junk... still, this is the second hopeless Legacy I've looked at in 9 months, and I know now I like the car... if I ever see a decent '95 thru '99 for an ok price, I think I'll bite.
    At some level, looking a junkers is an education. I should also mention that my transportation "needs" are taken care of...
    Thanks again,
    -Mathias
  • joeb24joeb24 Member Posts: 111
    I have a 2001 Outback LL Bean. I have just purchased a plastic hood deflector. I am tired of the numerous stone chips. Does anyone know (have experience with) going through a car wash with the deflector on. Is it sturdy enough?
  • K9LeaderK9Leader Member Posts: 112
    Taoman:

    I have the Saris Bat Rack for four bikes. It has the 2" hitch, and I do use an adapter to fit the 1-1/4" receiver on my OB. I have not noticed unacceptable sway (although I have only used it so far with two bikes). One advantage is that the adapter extends the rack out far enough that the hatch clears the rack without even tilting it.

    I got the rack three years ago for my Sienna minivan, and installed a 2" hitch. I got the Bat Rack because I needed a four-bike rack and I wanted the versatility of different sized and type frames -- road bikes, mountain bikes, kids' smaller frames, and one buddy with a radical dual-suspension Klein.

    It is unlikely that I will ever need to put four bikes onto the rack when attached to the OB. If I have four bikes to haul, we will be in the Sienna.

    Good luck with your search!

    --K9Leader
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool, Steve. As you can see from the bearing repair bills shared here, one typical repair pays for that warranty and then some.

    Mathias: the used car market is depressed right now. Try low-balling someone, then walk. Don't make a 2nd offer. Then hope they call you back, if no other buyers show up.

    You can do this with a couple of cars you like. I'm sure you'll find one.

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I have the OEM acrylic deflectors on both cars and do go thru car washes with them.

    I had to replace the one on the OBW last winter as it cracked, but I think it was related to an ice chunk hit from a truck. The deflector may have given its life so that my hood could live on!

    Steve
  • taomantaoman Member Posts: 14
    K9Leader:

    I purchased a Saris BAT rack, model 999Q, this past weekend. It fits a 1 1/4" receiver, hold 3 bikes and is upgradeable to a 4 bike capacity. I've used it twice so far. It's a great rack and the hitch-tite feature of the rack really secures the whole rack. I decided to purchase the Saris rack after speaking with a couple of people at a local bike shop who race their bikes and have Saris racks.

    Neil
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    Well, we sealed the deal on the '01 Outback last night and drove it home. The others that were sitting on the lot with it were already gone. After only one trip to the store, the wife is already enamored with it. Just couldn't see us doing much better around here on a clean, recent model, average mileage Outback. The old tired trade-in didn't sound so good on the way out to the dealership, either! We couldn't have gotten rid of it at a better time. Furthermore, for the first time since we've owned the old car, the A/C seemed to be a lot less cold. It's almost as if the car knew we were leaving it for good!

    I never purchase extended warranties but I do nearly all of the work on my cars at home, which saves big $$$. I'm just not particularly fond of having mechanics work on my cars. Besides, there is some of the Subaru bumper-to-bumper warranty left on this car, and plenty left on the powertrain warranty if I get in a jam. I'm really only concerned about making it through the next few months without any major blow-ups, until I can become more familiar with the car. I'll probably be looking, listening, and poking around inside, outside, and underneath it every weekend for the rest of the summer. Once I'm out in the garage with my toolbox and a couple of beers, the wife won't be able to get me in for dinner! I know it's only a station wagon, but I can't help it - I simply have an appreciation for all things mechanical...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats! :-) Welcome to the club.

    -juice
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    Thanks! Since I'm a DIY'er, I'll probably come to the board for any questions I have. Thanks again for everyone's input.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Welcome and congrats. I too love to tinker, but just find no time anymore. A huge garage, full of tools, and they collect dust....

    Steve
  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
    Welcome to the Crew, Richard. You'll find that there's quite a few DIY'ers (and many more OCD'ers) here. Look forward to having you with us.

    Jon
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Stick around, I'm another DIYer and I have lots of photos and tips for many of the accessories Subaru sells.

    -juice
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    HEY slickdog .. what was that 'only a station wagon' remark .. better not let your OUTBACK hear you say that !!!
    lol .. and I don't know about the rest of you outback owners, but I don't feel like it's JUST a station wagon!
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    It's not a station wagon. It is an all purpose, AWD, go anywhere at any time in any weather, sports machine.....with a hatch.

    Greg
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    ...sorry, I really don't have anything against wagons, or Outbacks! I'm actually quite fascinated with the car and am looking forward to trying it out in the snow! I'm really somewhat anti-SUV/pro-wagon, because my brother and I were always shuttled around in wagons during the late '70's and early '80's when we were kids (although thankfully this Outback is a far cry from those wheeled beasts). My wife and I knew we wanted a wagon before we even drove an Outback, but the choices are few, and I'm not sure we would have chosen differently had there been more options. I really can't find much not to like about the car (and I'm good at that too). I'll make sure I don't say "it's only a station wagon" around the wife or her car, perhaps I should have said "it's not a Ferrari" instead. I'm sure the Outback is going to make quite an impression on us as time goes by. All the rest of you seem to speak quite highly of your vehicles.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    slick .. I just couldn't resist giving you a hard time over it .. I'm sure you'll grow to love your Outback ... lol
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    I haven't been told of a change, it's still $1250 here.
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    Yeah, I asked the sales staff about incentives when I picked up our Outback the other night, and according to them the rebate is currently $1250 for Outbacks and Legacy GT's, $750 for Legacy L Special Edition right now. I really wanted to buy new, but just couldn't justify the extra cost - my wife only drives about 7K miles a year!

    BTW, don't worry about giving me a hard time, I can take it. I just figured it was an initiation to the "club"!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I saw a commercial on the tube that said it was $2000 for Legacys and Outbacks. It may vary by region, but in DC I guess it's higher. Fitzgerald had an Outback for just under $20k, the first time I've seen that since the 2000 redesign!

    -juice
  • slickdogslickdog Member Posts: 225
    I just heard a radio commercial this morning which mentioned that $2000 rebate, juice. Can't seem to find references to it anywhere else, though. The lower rebates I mentioned were supposedly in effect until end of July, too. Perhaps many of the dealers just aren't advertising the higher rebate yet.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's a dealer incentive, so they may or may not choose to pass it on.

    Also, sometimes they spend part of it on advertising, to bring in more customers.

    -juice
  • rsorganizersorganize Member Posts: 131
    Trying - desperately! - to decide between Subaru Outback LL Bean and the Audi A4 1.8 Avant (wagon). I will be dropping my 99 Volvo XC (huge repair bills!!). Still looking for a vehicle that will last 200,000+ and be comfortable on long-drives (and, of course, take me safely through New England winters). Audi is an exciting/fun car to drive with the manual. A little tight (6' 220), but beautifully appointed. Seems to have enough extras to warrant the $2000 price difference. Am worried, though, about some of the problems I have read about. Do not want another car to drain my bank account as the miles add up. The LL Bean is a pleasure to drive, with many nice touches. The OB is pretty common around here and most folks I know appear to love 'em - reliable, pretty low maintenance and great in the winter. How to decide??
  • sozersozer Member Posts: 12
    Has anyone bought or driven one of the 2003 Legacy L Special Edition's yet. If you have do you like it, please post with details. Thanks
  • kmcleankmclean Member Posts: 173
    Richard - They're very different cars! So I think part of your dilemma is deciding upon what you really want. However, speaking as one who has owned three Audis (NEVER again!), if you're hoping to avoid reliability problems and high repair costs, look elsewhere. When everything worked on my Audis (rarely), they were a blast to drive! They broke frequently, cost a fortune to repair, and the dealers were always snotty. My 2K OB Ltd. wagon has been very reliable, very inexpensive to maintain, easy to work on myself (for all the basics: oil & filter, tune-up, air cleaner, etc.), and is a terrific foul-weather vehicle (I live in Seattle). For more performance driving, my 1997 Maxima has been a blast, has had a total of one "repair" in six-plus years (oxygen sensor), gets 25 mpg around town and 30+ on the highway. Audi has terrific fit and finish, and is fun to drive - but isn't worth the price or hassle for my two cents.

    Hope this helps!

    Ken in (unbelievably hot and dry) Seattle
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Hi Everyone- You can also respond to rsorganize's question in his new discussion Subaru Outback LL Bean vs. Audi A4 Avant: How to Choose? Thanks for your participation! ;-)

    Revka
  • ptrekkerptrekker Member Posts: 51
    I have the base model and I find it very comfortable on long drives. More so than my BMW. And I am built pretty much like you give or take a pound here and an inch there.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    There's $2000 on the Baja, I'm not aware of it on the Outback, unless it's a regional thing--our area has rebates rather than dealer incentives.
  • rsorganizersorganize Member Posts: 131
    Thanks for the response, Ken. Very helpful. Peace.
  • bvchurchbvchurch Member Posts: 4
    I have a 97 outback wagon. I am not getting any cold air when i push my ac button. Can i refill my refrigerant, and if so how?

    Thanks
  • sozersozer Member Posts: 12
    Has anyone bought or driven one of the 2003 Legacy L Special Edition's yet. If you have do you like it, please post with details. Thanks

     -Steven
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Easy Steven, the weekends can be quiet around here. Personally, I have a '00 Outback, so I can't help you out.

    You may also want to check out the Subaru Crew-Meet the Members topic (link above the Chat banner or here: /direct/view/.eea1a91 )

    -Brian
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Steven,

    I drove both a sedan & wagon version of the '03 L-SE A/T when I was shopping last July / August. The L-SE is an excellent value but I ended up buying an '03 Base Outback A/T wagon. While the OBW was approx. $1800 more, I wanted the standard OB features (All Weather Pkg (Heated Seats, Mirrors, Wiper area), power seat w/ manual lumbar, cargo tray, larger tires, rear LSD, higher ground clearance, larger front disc brakes, etc.) and didn't really care about the L-SE extra (moonroof (dual on wagons)). FYI - I traded in a '96 Outback that I drove for 6.5 years and 128k miles.

    DaveM
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    C&D ran an L/SE to 60mph in 8.8 seconds. They liked the steering and the brakes especially.

    We have a 2002 L and we like it. We had a moonroof and aftermarket alloys put on after the fact, so it's pretty similar to the new L/SE (we even added plood). I like the range, the fuel efficiency and power balance, the huge cargo floor space, the incredible value for the money.

    The front seats could be better, I prefer my Forester's bigger side bolsters. Overall, for the price, they can't be beat. They are competitive with FWD prices, so AWD is just gravy.

    Brian: on that A/C, the trick is to find out why you had the leak in the first place. You could re-charge, but then it would just leak again. The lines are cheap to fix, but if it's the condenser be ready to fork out some bucks.

    -juice
  • senturisenturi Member Posts: 27
    I need the paint code for my '02 base OB. Where is this code located?

    Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Check on the driver's door jamb. I think that's where they put it. That's so that body shops can quickly mix paint to match yours.

    -juice
  • vpotlurivpotluri Member Posts: 47
    I understand the VDC Wagon has Vehicle Dynamic Control as opposed to the LL Bean edition which doesn't. Is there a noticeable difference in handling between the two? Any other differences between the two? Price difference being no object, which is the better one to get? When is the 2004 model due? Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The biggest difference is the AWD system, which on the VDC defaults to a 45/55 split, for a rear-bias. The LL Bean feels more like FWD.

    I have not tried a VDC. I did try an LL Bean and did notice it has more of a FWD feel than my viscous-coupling equipped Forester (50/50). But you barely notice.

    IMO the Bean is a better value. You can even get the H6 in a cloth model with no moonroof now, if you just wanted the engine.

    -juice
  • snowbeltersnowbelter Member Posts: 288
    I find my VDC SMOOTH on the hwy. It rides better than my wife's 00 OB. The kicker for me is the McIntosh stereo which to my ear is much better than the Bean or the upgraded version in the Limited.
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