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I'm just curious who in the forum has the highest mileage Intrepid? Anybody hit 100K yet with an older model? I have a co-worker with a '98 ES that has about 80K on it, and no problems so far.
-Andre
Kelly
When I owned my 98 Pontiac GTP coupe I was amazed at the wealth of excellent discussion forums, technical expertise and aftermarket modifications available for that car, even just a few months after the new model's introduction in 97.
Like most everyone here, I too lurk in the 300M room for several reasons- one because my parents have an early production 99 300M, and because I have this incredibly optimistic hope that some kind of significant performance modification will be developed for the 300M that might "trickle down" to our vehicles. I am surprised that there has been such a dearth of performance mods for the 300M. Other than drop in air filters and dual exhausts, there doesn't seem to be much hope. I am thinking, however, that I might try those blue neon lights that one guy put under his 300M "for an extra element of surprise." Those lights apparently allow it to consistently outdrag Mustang GT's.
Anyway, just my ideas.
Dave
i think the 300m folks stick to themselves because they know deep down that a fully loaded es intrepid is a much better value than the 300m! i drove a 300m about a year ago before i bought my 00 es and really couldn't justify the extra expense of the 300m.
anyway, i suspect that many people who buy intrepids aren't too much interested in 0-60 times or the latest mods. the intrepid is pretty much a mainstream car while the 300m has perhaps a bit more cache'. but, for a mainstream car, the intrepid sure has excellent styling!
I was thinking about my earlier post while working outside while ago and realized that the most popular forums on Edmunds only have 20 to 30 regular posters. So, I realize there are still vast numbers of owners of all makes that aren't aware of or don't even care about the forums except perhaps when they experience some problem that they think someone else may know about. Oh well, enough of my ranting. You guys take care.
Kelly
-Jeff
all i can say is that i test drove an accord coupe v/6 last summer and found it to have a little heavier/better weighted steering but the v/6 didn't seem to have near as much snuff as my 98 3.2l intrepid had. out on the highway my intrepid felt much more lively when tromped. also, road noise in that coupe was comparable to my 98 intrepid. to make a long story short, driving the accord reaffirmed why i continue to go back to intrepids when i trade. to date i've owned a 96, 98 and currently a 00.
I also supply my email address and will supply a printout of repair history to my current Intrepid.
BTW the current Intrepid will be my last fling with Daimler Chrysler, very poor product.
LOL
Kelly
fastdriver
PS Mmmmmm........Neon under the car?? Wonder if that would make my car shift better? LOL.....
i've never owned an intrepid with the 2.7l engine, but i had a rental one time that had that engine. i must say the 3.2l feels quite a bit spunkier.
as for long term durability, as you probably know, the accord has a better track record according to various indices. however, contrary to post# 176 (troll), this latest generation intrepid is much changed from the first generation. just to name a few changes; totally new body, new suspension bits, entirely new engines...etc. anyway, if indeed you got 220k miles out of your accord you are a lucky man. as a local mechanic recently said to me, the cars today just aren't built like they used to be. i'm not talking about precision here but i'm talking about individual parts. things like suspensions and trannies just aren't built as soundly as they used to be, if they were they would be far too heavy and consume too much fuel. have fun and don't sweat the details so much...
Accord will cost $184.00 less for fuel yearly based on 15,000 miles 1.46 per gallon 45% hwy 55% city. TheAccord also produces 1.7 tons less annual GHG emissions.
NHTSA and IIHS rates the Accord as good . Intrepid gets an average / marginal rating.
TSB Accord 18 Intrepid 26
Recalls Accord 1 Intrepid 4
Intrepid 200,000 without major problems, you could think that only if you expect the snow to be green this winter.
200,000 miles expect to have problems with the electrical, a/c, heater, steering, suspension, motor, transmission, seat, and almost any component you can think of. The Dodge product is not designed for long term reliability.
I did read in a previous post though that the Intrepid does make a good big load pizza delivery vehicle.
Hey, I never thought of it that way- what a difference a capitalized "N" can make!!
I'm going with the Neon idea- off to the junkyard to find a battered one with a good motor- maybe one of the previous models with the 150 horse motor!!
Woo Hoo!
Sign me up.
Kelly
Check it out:
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i you need to put on your glasses and read my post again. i never said that the new intrepids are less reliable than the previous generation. what i said in so many words is that new transmissions, etc (doesn't matter if it's an intrepid or accord) aren't as bulletproof as say an old chrysler 727 tranny. that's just the way it is...all manufacturers have skimped on the parts that receive the most abuse. just ask any mechanic who has worked on cars for 20 years.
Anyway, to whoever is looking at a 98 model, you might be able to get a 99 for a similar price since the intrepid has flooded the rental market recently. Look at the Kelly Blue Book site and it will tell you the trade and retail values of the intrepid. You'll be suprised at how low the trade value is. Not complaining, it was just kind of suprising to discover that the car is valued at about 1/2 of what I paid for it. Hope everyone is enjoying their cars. Any opinions?
the cars today just aren't built like they used to be. what i said in so many words is that new transmissions,etc (doesn't matter if it's an intrepid or accord) aren't as bulletproof as say an old chrysler 727 tranny.
From the above, even without glasses, and presumimg the Intrepid is indeed a car, the above sentence could read. The Intrepids ain't built like they use to be baby!!
Re coach and trade values. If the Intrepids depreciate at such an alarming rate at what point would they reach a negative value?? After my attempt to trade my first Intrepid I quickly realized the true market value on a used one was in the same ball park as a Yugo or Lada.
BTW coach don't be so hard on yourself no one would call you a cry baby for not being an Intrepid cuddler. Wipe away the tears its only a car, when the time comes replace it with a good Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW, Kia, or anything but a Daimler Chrysler product. As you can see from above even the resident DC cuddler agrees that DC just doesn't make them as good as they use to.
Your emissions and gas mileage comparison is clever, but unremarkable for it's "apples to oranges nature" since both vehicles meet REQUIRED emissions standards whether or not one is an LEV and one is ULEV. Your recall and tsb comparison is equally ill contrived--not taking account the original post I challenged with domestic makes. And you STILL have not been able to clear up the drivel that you put out over a year ago, when we first met. In short...while you occasionally get the attention you so desperately appear to need--it's in the form of ridicule, derision, and sympathy. More's the pity I suppose.
As for emissions output, when I ran my Newport through the emissions test back in 1997, it passed with no problem...and this was a car I bought from the junkyard, with 230,000 miles on it. Here are the results...
HC CO CO2
State: 470ppm 5.00pct 6.0pct
Newport 162ppm 0.03pct 14.5pct
If a junkyard car can do this well, I'm sure that most new cars are so clean that any discrepancies between them would be negligible.
Now I know my Intrepid will never live to be as old as my DeSoto, my Dart, or maybe even my Gran Fury. It's just too complicated, has too much plastic, and too many electronic things that can go wrong. These are just features with any new car, and they will count against it as the car ages. It's not any inherent fault with DC, it's just the way they everybody builds 'em nowadays.
LXi´s 225-horsepower 3.2-liter 24 valve V6 is equipped with a
three-plenum intake manifold for optimum wide-open throttle
power at high speed. Fuel economy is 20 city, 29 highway.
(Actual mileage may vary.)
LX´s 2.7-liter 24-valve V6 sports smooth-running dual overhead
camshafts and delivers 200 horsepower, making it one of today´s
most efficiently potent engines. Fuel economy is 18 city, 26
highway. (Actual mileage may vary.)
Should someone write these guys and tell them their data is bass-ackwards?
Anyway, just got back from Vegas (flew - didn't drive). But did ride in many cabs including a '96 Concorde with 370K miles!!! - driver said he thought it was on its second engine; and a '98 Concorde with 130K miles - driver said it has been a great car, no problems.
I think taxi driving in HOT DESERTS can be added to the list of other uses (police pursuit and pizza delivery via Andre) as a rigorous test of the durability of any car.
That's my 2 cents.
Good to see the LH cars are holding up well as taxi cabs. Here in MD, it seems the cabbies still prefer Caprices and Crown Vics, but I have seen an Intrepid or 2. I recall hearing about some cabbie up in Canada that had a 1962 Dodge Dart cab, that had close to a million miles on it. It was just about to hit a million when it was totaled in an accident. I heard that Chrysler gave him a new Intrepid for making such a milestone.
once again, with elegance, you have been able to succinctly put in words what we are all thinking. good job!
andre,
pretty much agree with you. alot of things aren't built like they used to be. and for the record i'm not saying that an intrepid or accord can't be driven 300k miles, they certainly could. what i am saying is that these cars would likely need more serious/major repair than say a 64 polara being driven the same distance. oh well, at least the new ones are betting at avoiding the rust bucket problems of old!
Probably the BEST thing to do BEFORE buying a used one is to have the dealer run the VIN number through the Chrysler computer to see what work has been done on the car and if and when it was serviced at the dealer. I would imagine that this would be a good idea for ANY used car before buying it. Just make sure that you're right there watching as the results come up! ;-))
fastdriver
Have a good weekend everybody.
Bringing in the car on Thursday morning for 15K service. I'll mention the flickering problem at that time and see what they have to say.
Just thought I'd mention my experience.
I would also like to see and drive the next gen Sebrings - been trying to talk the SO into getting one. I think they are supposed to be out in a few weeks. I would really like the convertible - but I'm not sure what Chrysler was thinking with the Limited version (a royal blue top?!?!?).
FRITO--Ran by another dealership last evening. They had about 6 2001 Town & Countries. Two of them were loaded Limiteds--very impressive. One of the detailers let me crawl around in one and couldn't keep himself from activating the power doors and liftgate. It is an impressive machine. That same dealer had 4 Sebring coupes (one with V6) that were nice looking. Still no sedans or convertibles though. You see any? I will tell you this--the T & C Limited with the light blue exterior and dark blue leather interior was sharp!
I guess it is a good idea to run in fresh mode for at least a few minutes towards the end of the drive to somewhat flush the system out. But, this may also depend on the ambient humidity. Also, it is a good idea to run the a/c system for at least 5 min every 3-4 wks - YES even in the dead of WINTER!!! This, I've been told, is important to help prevent leaks from developing in the system.
DC13.5 - I'm glad you are taking all of this in jest! But, I can think of an appropriate GESTURE (you know the one with the middle digit?) when I pass your broken-down Jetta on the shoulder.
Smell usually goes away after 10 seconds or so.
I've never really gottten a musty smell in the car, but sometimes theres a scent that smells like powdered cement...happens in both summertime and wintertime. I thought it was weird, but I have a friend with a '98 Tracker that he says does the same thing. I've never smelled anything like that out of an a/c system, though.
Most of the older cars I've dealt with had a button for a/c, and another one labelled "max a/c" or some variant. I think the Max a/c is the same thing as the recirc on the newer cars.
-Andre
i haven't seen any stratus or sebring sedans yet either. i did spy an 01 t&c but from a distance and really don't have an opinion yet. the stratus coupe, imo, is a looker! i'll bet the sebring coupe is nice too but as of yet haven't seen one!
the rest of the crowd,
as for a/c musty smells, every vehicle i've ever owned that contained a/c has given off a musty smell for the first few minute or so of operation after having been "off" for awhile. my 00 intrepid and 99 ranger both do it.
i really haven't seen any good info on 01 intrepids altho i did read "somewhere" that side airbags will be an option as will leather on the r/t. i think they also may have changed some of the interior colour combination. someone here mentioned ordering an r/t with "taupe" leather! there were also supposed to be some changes to enhance quietness but i don't have any idea what they are. hope your not burnin' up in wy!