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Older Acura TLs



  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wouldn't you be better off just with black ones then?
  • psobkiewiczpsobkiewicz Posts: 20
    They don't look good with the red.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    But black goes with everything, whereas a slightly different shade of red may look like a suit with a mis-matched pair of pants.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I have a white accord with black mud flaps and molding around the entire underbody of the car. Red with black should loot a whole lot better.

    You're lucky you have a red TL! My favorite (discontinued) color combination (Deep Green, with parchment with wood) is even rarer and because it stopped in 06 its harder to find... Guess i'll have to do what I hate and settle...

    By any chance, has anyone seen the 2007 TL w/o nav! They got rid of that hideous black strip in the middle(somewhat) and changed the display! It actually makes me want to settle for no nav now!

    As they saw in show biz "Close, but no cigar..."
    Still gotta get an 04-05 with nav and all that color combo i mentioned! Maybe a lip spoiler...

    It would look something like this:

    but 5AT :blush:
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I wonder if Acura cuts down plastic trees for thier interior trim from a forest near the lake that McDonald's fishes their square fish from for the "Filet-O-Fish". :P
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "Maybe a lip spoiler...but 5AT"

    Great, another image over substance choice. As in, "I want to look sporty while I drive my slushbox"? :sick:

    And I have to agree with scottm123, that interior looks entirely too plasticky/fake for me...except for the 6-speed manual.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "I want to look sporty while I drive my slushbox"?

    You know what, you'd be surprised at the high % of drivers that fall into this category, even amongst the BMW, Porsche, Corvette crowd. MB, of course, goes without saying. There are really only a few hard-core performance drivers...and I suspect a few of those just like to think of themselves as performance drivers, which makes them even more so in the image over substance department, since they want to look and think sporty. :sick:

    "that interior looks entirely too plasticky/fake for me"

    I think it's par for the course. You certainly won't do better at that price. You want something better? No problem. You'd just have to pay the premium. If you think it's too plasticky, then why buy one? :confuse: Certainly the 6-sp doesn't make it look any less so.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I honestly don't care about the TL's sportiness because it just IS sporty. Also, the lip spoiler looks better on the TL to me. It add a certain look that i like. Besides, with wood, nav, and deep-green, I'm going for the Tl's luxury more than sport. Otherwise, I'd get the TSX which I may also do.

    A 5AT because I can't drive MTs yet. If I did it be entirely different! Everyone knows about honda/acura's 6AT being about the best in the class!

  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I'll admit that the spoiler adds a sporty look to most cars, but I still have to laugh at these people who put big spoilers on their FWD cars, causing downward pressure on the non-drive wheels.

    Take the new G for example.
    It comes standard with zero front lift aerodynamics, and zero front and rear lift with the optional spoiler.
    At least the spoiler is functional in that application.

    Non-functional spoilers may increase the sporty look, but could actually be decreasing the car's sporty handling characteristics at the same time.

    Does anyone have specs on what these 2 Acura Spoiler options do to the TL's aerodynamics?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm with you on this one. My TL is an automatic and I have the lip spoiler, which I find to be subtle but adds a touch of sportiness, just like the one on BMWs. I know how to drive stick, but at this stage in my life, under the traffic conditions that I drive in 90% of the time, I'll go with an automatic, thank you very much! I really couldn't care less if someone thinks I just want to look sporty. If I really really wanted to feed my appetite for driving a stick, I'll buy a small sports car (in addition to the TL) for that purpose.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,112
    Ditto. Sans spoiler, though...

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "There are really only a few hard-core performance drivers..."

    Agreed, but you don't have to be Michael Schumacher and/or drive like him just to enjoy a "sporty" drive. In my opinion, the TL 6-speed is a very "sporty" FWD sedan. Great gearbox, tighter suspension, better (Brembo) brakes. The automatic transmission, in my opinion, has always been one of Acura's weak links. My wife would prefer to have a TL-like 6-speed manual in our MDX and, believe me, she's no hard core performance driver. She just dislikes the hesitation from a dead stop and mushy shifting feel of the automatic.

    "If you think it's too plasticky, then why buy one?"

    I wouldn't. I bought a 6-speed with the Black/aluminum interior. To me, it looks it looks "sporty" and reasonably attractive, without trying too hard to be something it isn't with Acura's rendition of fake wood. But I concede that looks are subjective.

    I am not picking on the TL, I just think the automatic transmission and fake wood are it's weakest attributes. I was picking on the lip spoiler, but in good humor. ;)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "A 5AT because I can't drive MTs yet. If I did it be entirely different! Everyone knows about honda/acura's 6AT being about the best in the class!"

    Say what? I know you are young, but you haven't grown a right arm or left leg yet??

    There isn't much to learning, and there is no better time to do so than BEFORE you buy a car with an automatic when you might really rather have the manual. I learned on my first new car, a 1978 Datsun B210GX. Friends said they could smell me coming a mile away, suggesting my clutch was in for a short life. The car died at 99,200 miles, but it still had the original clutch.

    For those that prefer to drive an automatic, fine. But the manual transmission in the TL is indeed one of the best in its class and it will greatly reward you for learning how to drive a stick. I never would have bought a TL in 2004 were it not for the 6-speed gearbox that felt nearly as crisp as the one in my former Honda S2000. As good as BMW is in driving dynamics, I rated the manual in the 2004 TL ahead of the 6-speed in the 330i ZHP.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Well, to each his own I suppose, but IMO the "pleasure" of driving a stick is over-rated. I concede the situation was different back in the days when auto boxes were mostly 3sp/4sp jobs, with jerky lock-up torque converters, compared to now when 6-sp manumatic and/or other user-selectible settings are fast becoming the norm. Honda, for one, has come a long way with their automatic transmission over the past 10 - 12 years. As I said earlier, the ideal situation would be to have a "weekend" sports car for the times when you're really in the mood to shift your own gears.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I so agree with you on this one.
    Nothing compares to driving my sports car with a stick... but as my commute grew, I just wanted someone to shift for me once in awhile.

    I'm loving the auto transmission in my G, since it does a little of both. (without traffic clutch cramp)

    Once I convince the wife that I need yet another car just for weekends, I'll get my MT just for those weekend drives.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,112
    Hi, Hab1: I learned to drive in a '71 Saab 99. Four speed, if I remember. Fun, quirky car.

    Your B210, was it a "Honey Bee!" My friend and I, as the original 240Z bloated into the not so spectacular 280ZX, derisively called it the B280ZX. No offense to your B210, of course.

    I drove sticks (Saab 99, Renault Le Car!, VW Scirocco, Mitsu Mirage Turbo, Acura Integra, Nissan Sentra SE-R, Saab 900) for about 26 years (with 7 years of company cars, all autos mixed in). Now two autos in the garage. To be honest, I really don't miss rowin' my own. Not to say I won't go back to the future...

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    My first "stick" was my parents' '68 Ford Falcon with 3 on a tree. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say I "learned" to drive stick on that one. No, I really didn't honed my stickhandling skills until my own '75 Honda Civic with 4 on the floor. That spunky little hatchback served me right thru university. Never stranded me despite a quirky manual choke and a couple of broken synchros! :shades:
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531

    I was SOOO much better than you... I had a 310 GX (same year)! We 310'ers look down upon you mere 210 people! :)

    Yep, I remember scraping gears as I learned on the spot how to drive manual, coming home on the highway after having bought this car. I went through 2 clutches, but had fun. By the end of the car's life, it had merely a starter button as the ignition failed, the radio only worked if you turned the knob half-way, and the windows wouldn't shut unless you pushed them as you rolled them up. :cry: Those were the days...

    All my cars since were manual until this last one. I was just fed up with bumper to bumper traffic and having to pump the clutch every few feet. It just got old.

    I agree with some of the others that it would be fun to have a weekender sport car with manual to drive around, but for day to day driving, give me auto every day. I have absolutely no regrets in this regard.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Seems a lot of you prefer the fun and feel of driving a stick, but have switched to automatics as your daily commute or traffic turned into a grind.

    I don't expect to convince anybody that's made that choice to change it. But now that I've hit that magic age of half century and have survived nearly 25 years with DC traffic (not to mention ACL surgery), I don't expect to switch to an automatic unless forced to. If our MDX gets stolen, a 6-speed Cayenne will definitely be on our test drive list, even if it does only hold 5 passengers.

    Speaking of being "stolen", our TL almost was last week. Parked it in front of our house, fully locked. Woke up at 2:30 a.m. to the sound of a radio blasting. Ran down and came out to find all of the windows rolled down in the TL, the radio playing full blast and a key in the ignition. Turned out that someone, at some point, had stolen our "valet" key and apparantly tried to make off with the car. But, they were apparently foiled by not realizing you have to have the clutch pushed in, even in neutral, when turning the ignition key for the car to engine to start.

    We still haven't figured out why the windows were rolled down and the radio was set at full blast. Amazing how many of our neighbors commented that they can't get "Juke Box Hero" out of their head. :blush:
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    See having a manual transmission car is even a theft Deterrent :surprise:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "We still haven't figured out why the windows were rolled down and the radio was set at full blast.'

    If it was a car thief, he would have to be a bit of a moron to try to attract attention while trying to steal a car. :confuse:

    Where do you keep your valet key? Inside the car? How did he managed to get in, if your car was locked?

    (Do you have a teenaged son who needed a ride for prom? ;) )
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Not sure from where and when the valet key was taken. Never use it myself and can't remember last time I even saw it. It's possible that I left it in the glove compartment with the owners manual and it had been taken weeks or months ago without my knowledge.

    As far as the windows being rolled down and radio on full blast, on a well lit street, no less, that's still a mystery. Prank? Perhaps, but we don't have many high school boys living on our immediate neighborhood, let alone my house. Plus, if the cops caught him, they would have charged him with attempted car theft, a felony being prosecuted in adult court. Not much humor in that.

    In any event, I've made sure all of the keys to our 911 are accounted for. My 9 year old daughter proclaimed the thief was pretty dumb for trying to take the TL instead of the Porsche. :surprise:
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,458
    Well it is easier to fence the TL then the 911 but the 911 would be a better joy ride car.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm sure your 911 was garaged, which no doubt was a factor.

    Or...perhaps you had pissed off the kid at the Acura dealer who washes your car when you bring it in for service? ;)
  • thechiefthechief Posts: 2
    Hi Habitat1 - as a proud owner of a Legend GS 6 speed for the past 9 years, I'd love to hear your comparison to your TL. I've driven the TL and to me it is a downgrade to the Legend in terms of quality and style. Of course, in objective measures, the TL is a better car, but subjectively I'll take the Legend. What made you sell your Legend?

  • voxboyvoxboy Posts: 30
    I wish my TL handled more like my wife's TSX. Anyone have any advice what I can change or add to make it feel more nimble?
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Try a Progress Rear Sway Bar.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Ah, the Legend GS 6-speed.

    I bought a nearly new 1994 Legend GS 6-speed at a great price from a friend who was being transferred to Europe by his company. But then, after only 2 months in Europe, he got recalled to an even better promotion in the states. We were able to unravel the deal without paying sales taxes, so I gave the car back to him, and bought my 1995 Maxima SE 5-speed that I still have to this day at our second home.

    It's been a long time since I drove that GS 6-speed, so my memory is sketchy at best. As I recall, it was definitely more luxurious than my Maxima, but about the same in quickness and handling. It would be hard to directly compare to my 2004 TL 6-speed, but, IMO, the Legend was a more solidly built car compared to its competition of the day than the TL is.

    I lost touch with the friend who had the Legend until about a year ago. He is now president of a real estate company in Texas and has done very well - if a $4 million vacation home in Jackson Hole is any measure. He kept that Legend and handed it down to his son who is now in his second year of college. It had over 150,000 miles as of last year, as does my 1995 Maxima. Acura and Nissan may have a lot more techno do-dads in their cars today, but I doubt they are any better than those vintage models in build quality and durability.

    P.S. I joked with my friend that I guess he has progressed past Acura in "status". He replied, "quite the contrary, my next vehicle will be a Honda". Honda
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...has done very well - if a $4 million vacation home in Jackson Hole is any measure."

    Hmm...not necessarily. There's a chap named Conrad Black. Big spender, gorgeous wife, multi-million $ Park Ave apartments.....
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