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Mazda Millenia



  • Seems like we scared away Mr. Maxima....I agree with most that the Maxima is one hell of an ugly rear end, that was a major factor when I was considering a 2000 Mill. S or a 2000 Maxima SE- besides there is a Maxima on every corner of every block in downtown Boston where I live - I don't like to follow!...They are both excellent vehicles and should be left as that.
  • jplyman,

    The Altima is a nice car, but the interior is lacking big time. I wouldn't mind considering an Altima when Nissan spends a few $$ on the better plastics and materials.


    I enjoy both my Maxima and my Millenia so I get the best of both worlds.

    I am looking forward to the Mazda 6, from the specs and pics that car has real potential to be a big seller for Mazda.
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    Have only seen the Altima from the outside - unique but notice the stats were almost identical to the max.

    Regarding the 6 - have you seen and heard about the nex RX 8 - that should be sweet.
  • Get this guy outta here!!!!!!!!!

    What is he talking about NYC and guys owning Millenia there.Foe Christ sake I use to live in the Bronk, when I leased my Millenia in late 1998,you could actually count on one hand how many Millenia's were around.So don't give me that crap about guys wanting to steal Millenias,its more like guys wanting to steal Maximas.They are so popular in NYC its unbeleivable,I think they should take away the PEDESTRIAN TITLE CAR from the Camry and give it to the Maxima.

    And what is he talking about Horse Power-"any car with a v6 should produce more than 200 horses."
    Tell that to BMW with their 325 model.That car cost way more than a Millenia and if I am not mistaken only pumps out 184 horses.

    Please stay over there on the UGLY SEDAN BOARD and leave us alone on the PRETTY SEDAN BOARD.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's just move on.

    If we really want to talk about the Millenia vs. the Maxima, anyone is free to go over to our Comparisons - Sedans vs. Sedans board and start up a discussion.

    Meanwhile let's just calm down and remember that your Membership Agreement requires civil and respectful conversation in the Town Hall. If you can't find a way to politely disagree with another poster, then just don't respond to the message at all.


    Sedans Message Board
  • Calm down Billy, you are getting too worked up, take deep breaths!.
  • 9sunset9sunset Posts: 23
    I agree, lets talk about Millenia and forget about Maxima for now (don't forget I used to own a 99 Maxima as mentioned on my previous posting).
    Next morning I call up a few Dunlop tire dealers for advise regarding radial pull and surprisingly none of them interested in solving the problem (these tires are basically as good as out of warranty). I went back to the Mazda dealer and they refer me to another tire dealer. This is where the action starts; First of all the technican measure the tread depth of all tires and then proceed to up my car up the hoist and start manually spinning the wheels. Turn out one of the alloy rim was wobbling badly, it must have hit something real hard. The dealer is now ordering a new rim for me and we will know whether it will eliminate the pulling problem hoping by the end of this week. I will keep you folks posted.
  • How much are going to charge you for a new rim??..and do you the alloy's or chrome?? 17"??...Just wondering...........
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    I own a P model and was wondering how much difference the fuel will make - I know with the S you must use Preimum fuel but do you need to also with the P?
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639

    My new '01 P has about 4500 troublefree miles at this point. Except for the initial fill of 93 octane the dealer supplied, it has seen nothing but 87 octane.

    The performance of the car has been flawless, and uneventful. I see no power decrease, and there is no sign of ping or knock. This is an old subject, and there is also a thread about using regular gas in V-6 engines in the "Sedans" catagory of Edmunds.

    In my experience with my previous V-6's, unless you have a high compression engine, or the car pings on regular, there is no reason to run premium fuel in it. The compression ratio of the Mazda 2.5L V-6 falls well within what is normally accepted for 87 octane fuel. And regular gasoline has the same injector cleaners premium does.

    Others will disagree with me on this, and say you have to run premium. It will have to be your decision in the long run. But with the 2.5L Mazda, premium is "recommended", not "required". Check your owners manual, but it only briefly touches on this subject.

    Incidentally, with the complaining I have seen in this thread about fuel milage, I must add that I am averaging 21/22 MPG overall. With my lowest being over 20 MPG, and my best about 28. I find that satisfying for an almost two ton car, and better by about 2 MPG than my 3.8 V-6 Oldsmobile 88, which weighs within 65 pounds of my Millenia. This is not an econobox. It is a beautifully executed, and very European near luxury vehicle.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    both engines have a knock sensor that retards the timing when you use lower grade fuel. Power will be off a bit due to retarded timing, but this will depend on temperature and engine load.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Thanks maltb, and I am aware of the automatic retarding of timing. That is the reason for saying I have seen no power decrease, and the power is very good, despite some leadfoots complaining it needs more power. To that I would say, if you are looking for a Japanese version of a '60's era muscle car, look elsewhere. That is not the message sent by the Millenia at all. It is instead an excellent all around drive, and a great sport touring sedan.

    I researched for months before buying a Millenia. I considered and drove Maxima, Camry, '02 Altima and others. None are perfect, but I preferred the Millenia to all the others, and the deal I got on my new '01 P ($21650) knocked the others out of any consideration. This is truly a superb car and can be bought at givaway prices.
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    Thanks for your input on the fuel.... I find that this car has very good mileage (my other car is a Jeep) and good enough pick up for my needs (if I want to race then I will get out the RX7).

    One thing I do like is the transmission (I have an '02) - the transmission based on how heavy your foot is will switch between Econo and Power shift mode - this makes a big difference in the power of the Mil.

    These are great cars - with an even better price!
  • jonbgoodjonbgood Posts: 157
    Great deal on your Millenia! Question for everybody - I know Mazda is offering $4k back on 2001s. How much more of a discount do you think is valid for buying a 2001 car in 2002? I understand that there may still be plenty of '01s out there.
  • jplymanjplyman Posts: 90
    Offer them 5k below invoice - one thing that I have heard though is that the '01 had a rough transmission that was fixed in 02 - I'm not sure as I have an '02 - as there were no '01 left in Atlanta. I would try offering about 20,000 for a P and then add option.

    Good Luck!
  • doepeldoepel Posts: 20
    I have seen posts from other '99 S owners who are experiencing a puff of grayish exhaust smoke upon startup after the car has been sitting for a couple days.

    Mine too does this and I would like to identify whether any owners of models after '99 are also experiencing this. Also if anyone has gotten the dealer to resolve this, please let me know whether it was a leaking supercharger seal or valve seals.

    I'd like to get this resolved before my lease expires in 6 months so I feal comfortable buying it.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    I have had my "P" since early September. At first, the transmission did seem rather abrupt at times. However, as it was used, it got smoother, until now it is a very smooth operating transmission. I don't know if there is a learning function engineered into the control module, or if the improvement is due to the parts wearing in. Or possibly I use it differently, but I don't think I have changed my driving style at all.

    At any rate, it is now a very suitable match for the rest of this highly refined car.
  • I have the 2000 Millenium Edition and do to see in * cold weather* only a puff or rather small stream of whiteish smoke come from the exhaust...I don't know if this is normal but figured the info may help....good luck!
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351 is offering the $4000 cash incentive on the 02 model, too.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Transmission: fwatson, that's funny you should mention this - just today I was wandering about my transmission - on 01 S - being much smoother than in the beginning when I got the car. And it will even upshift in the morning (just after pulling out from the garage) to the third when going up hill (I used to have to push the "hold" button to force that shift.

    Smoke: I can't really see it from behind the wheel :-) but it seems that in cold, damp weather there is a lot of vapor? white smoke UNTIL the car warms up, which takes 7-10 minutes.

    That's my $0.02

  • 9sunset9sunset Posts: 23
    Wonder how many miles you have on your 01 S before
    getting smoother?
  • marak88marak88 Posts: 57

    I asked my service department manager to set up a meeting with me and the mazda representative so we can discuss the grey smoke issue, So I spoke with the mazda representative, the grey smoke upon startup after the car sets for a few days is normal for these cars( S MODEL), it's caused by a very small amount of oil seeping through the supercharger seal but this only occur when the car has been setting for a few days, So if your car does it when you drive your car every day, or upon start up at every time, then there is a problem, and then your super charger may then need replacing.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    It was 6800 miles when I've noticed the difference. I still can't believe how pronounced it was, almost like somebody threw a switch. I hope it'll stay this way! (although if it is "intelligent" transmission, as a programmer I know it is much easier to program artificial stupidity than artificial intelligence :-)


    P.S. Today, after a training session, I was walking towards my car with a fellow student (somebody very high in IT in a HUGE company, who works for fun, given his seven-figure savings account and six-figure salary). When he saw the Millenia, he exclaimed "wow, what a beautiful car, great lines... wait a second, it's not the new S-class?" :-) Haha, he overestimated what I can afford on my salary and a few stock options. Anyway, I had to do 10 minute "show and tell" about the Millenia. I think he'll ditch his Volvo.
  • saxoniisaxonii Posts: 31
    Hi all!
    Sorry for being away for few days. However, I am back. To answer some of the issues.
    First of all to answer the fellow who doubts the amount of MM in NYC, there are plenty of them here. Granted since you said that you were living in the Bronx - not the best and most economically successful part of NYC, maybe you were the only one to have MM in the Bronx, but trust me there are many of them in other 4 boroughs.
    As to compare MM to Max, hey I just posted my top 10 which were all facts not opinions like some of the responses given to my top 10. If you think that Max does not compare to MM than pick any other car in the category. Honda Accord V6, Acura TTL, Audi A4, Nissan Altima, Subaru WXR, Toyota Camry V6. They are all within MM price range and some are much faster than MM base or S. Yes maybe Mazda is better looking but it is not faster or better constructed.
    As to trusting me mechanics who knows about cars much more than most of the folks whose knowledge is based on owner's manual. I used to have a Corvette that was regularly put to is limits and consequently required more maintanence than regular cars and he knew what he was doing when it came to fixing my rocket. This brings me to another comment. Tommekk if you think the MM can corner you should try a vette. I drove MM and cornering was OK, true better than Ford Escort or Nissan Stanza but Vette, it could not touch with a 10 foot pole.
    As for MM being such a good solid, and "pretty sedan". it is true but as for everything in life there must be a reason why they are not selling. And they are not. MAybe people are aware that MMs are not such a great bargain????? I consider Americans to be on the whole a bunch of pretty smart people who can spot a good deal when they see one. So what gives??? How come they cannot see this super buy that MM is???????? There are many people on that seem like they take car shopping seriously yet if MM is IT why are they staying away??? please do not tell me it is because of advertising. Most people know of Mazda and they do not need to see car commercial 24/7 to be swayed one way or the other.
    And for MM being a "European sedan". A passenger car that carries 4000 pound could be called European truck but not car. With gas price at around $4 a gallon only fools or rich (vain)folks would drive it around town. As said before I spent my summer vacation in Germany and Scandinavia and I did not see MM there on the road. Mind you, I visited one of the most developed countries in the world and no MM in sight. ( plenty of Volvos, BMW and Mercedes S class), but no MM.
    And finally come on Tomekk, new S class and MM. Anybody who confuses the two does not know much about cars. Maybe, you are not aware but in this country many people will complement one another and try to make the other party feel good by saying pretty things about their cars, houses, kids etc. You know people here also smile a lot, that does not mean that they are happy. I have a friend at work who is 360 pounds and people tell him all the time that he looks good and looks very strong. Now I know it is not true and people who are telling him those little feel good lies do too, but the poor fellow does not understand that he is super fat and if he does not change his diet his 401K will be well spend.... by his wife , possibly with another fellow. As they say Do not believe the hype.

    P.S. Tommekk do you know the saying "chwale to co mam". I hope you are not one of those people. As to what I am driving currently. Well, you will laugh it's 1986 Mercury Grand Marquee MM is much nicer and faster but My MGM cost me only $400 and is in perfect condition. I had to sell my vette (wife + accident + insurance + down payment) made me do it. Ciao to all!!!!! Saxon II
  • My Fellow Millenia owners,this guy is nothing but touble,say a prayer for him.
  • No one cares about what you have to say! We all love our Millenias! I was showing real estate the other client was complementing me on how nice the car looking on the outside and inside. No matter what you think...the Millenia is under advertised...if people know about the come everyone has to ask me what it is? I'll point out once again...I am on my second Millenia...not too 99 Millenia was $28,500 for a base (sticker $30K...actually paid $25,000...b/c it was a demo) 2001 Millenia was $27,500..(sticker over $33K) In 1999 I felt that the base was worth that! I am only 21 years old...but I am a Business Management Student at Georgia Tech and a real estate agent at RE/MAX. I am not a fool...I feel that the Millenia is a lot of car for the money.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Hey, we get the point. You don't like the Millenia and you think there are better vehicles out there (Vette corners better, 86 Grand Marquis is cheaper and so on). OK. You've said it. You have your opinion - but so do I (and others in this forum). We've stated it, we know where we all stand - and that's enough. Don't prolong an idle discussion. Personlly, I don't have time for this.

  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    saxonii is what is commonly called a troll on internet discussion boards. His purpose is to upset and anger other members of the forum by making derogatory and inflammatory statements that are counter to the interests of the other contributors.

    I will personally refrain from giving him the personal attention he seeks. From here on I will ignore his disruptive behavior.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Ever read a review done by a major publication about the Millenia? Every single one says it's a good car for the money. The biggest flaw I've ever read about was Mazda's poor marketing of the car.

    Face it, the car was never intended to be a Mazda. It was designed to launch the Amati brand which never happened and Mazda happened to pick up the gravy. It's an excellent car, but Mazda has never spent much on letting the public know because it didn't fit in with it's target.

    The MM doesn't fit my needs, but I was reminded last night when I went out with my dad just how much car you get for the price.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    TROLL? I love it, wasn't aware of this term. Fits like a glove.
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