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Indeed... I can attest to that. The IS350 is raw fast... Be ready for its speed which can be quite intoxicating. The interior materials are so nice, you'd really be hard pressed to find another car with the level of quality of materials. The Pioneer sound system (non-ML) is rich sounding and inside the small cabin of the IS, pretty outstanding. If you can pony up the $40K US ($54K Can) for the Base + 18" sport wheel package + Premium Lux + Nav _+ destination, that will be a nice ride.
Like what? The interior is appointed very well, a class leader IMO.
oac - This is where I lose myself. Either the Luxury package with the nav for the same price, or the sport package w/o nav. I do a lot of driving and I plan to keep the car for a long time, but no more than 7 years, so nav would be ideal.
You know, I really thought that we would have more information on the LS than this! All we have gotten was pictures of the exterior and nothing else. Sure it is nice, but all we can do is speculate on already known things.
Why do you ask how old I am?
If all aspects of a car were based on simple numbers, there would really be nothing to talk about.
Handling is a qualitative aspect. And the vast majority of people who've tested the two cars say that the 3 and even the G35 is a more fun-to-drive, feedback oriented car than the IS (not that the IS is far behind). And as I said, the IS is close enough that I would go for it over the 3.
But back to the 2007 LS, I hope we get some more concrete info soon.
I will answer if you post the same question in the GS or LPS thread. I think that we are straying too far from the 2007 LS and am afraid may get deleted.
There are not that many 19-yr-olds that show this much interest in full-size luxury sedans like an LS, hence my curiousity with you and your apparent youthfulness
My bodybuilding trainer had a TT and it simply stopped running right on the road (half of the cylinders kept running, per Audi engineering?), among several other issues with the car. Needless to say, he is never buying another Audi as he is embarassed with the car, same goes for his Touareg.
I value honesty and trust the most, so the German makes are out of the question; their cars seem skin deep.
I am interested in the LS because this is Lexus' flagship vehicle and you can always look to a company's flagship to find the direction that a company is heading towards. Electronics and new technology interest me quite a bit and I just know that the new LS will present all of those in the most reliable car with gobs of power and style.
Interest in the LS motivates me to work harder/smarter and therefore achieve more (I am paid by commission. Guess what I do.:)). I look forward to seeing the LS on my driveway in the future whether it is the next generation LS or the one after that.
EDIT: (I am paid by commission. Guess what I do.) - No, I am not a gigalo!
When I was your age I wanted a top of the ladder sport car and a top of the ladder lux sedan. So I am with you. At that time both were out of reach. Today both are easily doable. Ah but the family renders the sport car a fantasy.
If a car is faster to the quarter than another car, it could be considered to "outperform" it.
Or do better in a slalom test, or braking test. Or a road test.
Are these newer designs EXACTLY what drivers want? He%& No!
But they may actually be enough to get the more spirited drivers into the showroom, and once Lexus puts the schmooze on, they ain't leavin' empty-handed (but maybe with empty pockets!).
Lexus will NEVER make an Evo, NSX, 3-series, or anything else that dedicated to driving. It's just not their gig!
But they will bend some. They see there is room for growth. VDIM, while not perfect, is better than just another full-on nanny. It's supposed to be like a nanny's boss. Keep the nannies from taking over.
MAYBE, with a system like VDIM, a Lexus can gain a half-second on a road course over a German car filled with untamed nannies? It's Possible. It's the thought that counts. They're trying.
I want Lexus to build me an Evo X! Not happening! Ever!
But maybe we can, with love and understanding, find a middle ground.
The IS250 is about 30HP/45lb.ft. short of my middle ground.
For a more mature buyer, the New LS may have finally nailed it! We're off to a good start.
DrFill
It is not too far from the truth that we can expect an IS 300 with the 250 derived 300 from the GS.
"Lexus will NEVER make an Evo, NSX, 3-series, or anything else that dedicated to driving. It's just not their gig!"
Then why make a brand new V10? If Lexus is trying to "save money" as it were by not making a production 6MT for the IS 350, then why make a V10 that will never see a production engine bay. Makes no sense to me. I say we will get an LF-A. Just watch!
Doctors aren't always right.
I really don't think I need to point out performance results of the IS350 in the C & D test, which as we know, C & D is *all* about driving feel and performance, less so about anything else.
The IS350 had better stopping power than the 330i, out accelerated the 330i by a considerable margin, has a better interior (this is more than just subjective taste), has better safety features.
Now, it didn't do that well in the slalom, but that is due to VDIM. I remember reading one review that said slalom results would be *much higher* if VDIM were disabled.
Handling-wise, almost all reviews claim it's *very* close to a 330i, and some claim the IS350 as being best in class. Several reviews have mentioned the extreme confidence the IS350 exhibits in handling.
Subjectively (in driving feel), Lexus will never "beat" BMW, because Lexus is not aiming to do that.
Realistically and objectively (tested performance numbers and specs), the IS350 clearly beats the 330i in "driving performance".
Just as a note, Lexus updated the 0 - 60 of the IS350 to 5.3s. This is after it was tested by AMCI, meaning the Lexus tested 5.6s was a bit conservative.
Also the slalom is not always indicative of handling or overall performance. The TL got one of the best slalom times, but it does not make it the best handling car.
Lexus has repeatedly said they were NOT out to make a 3 Series copycat or clone. Lexus made ... a Lexus. Lexus did their own thing with the new IS.
As a rough guide, performance-wise, they used the 3 Series as the benchmark. It's also the market leader.
Within the same model, a bigger number always means more performance.
Lexus has also stated several times that the GS450h will have fuel economy of a four cylinder, while having power equivalent to a 4.5L V8 engine.
So naturally, the GS460 will be slightly faster.
Lexus never said anywhere that the GS450h would be a flagship. It's a V6 hybrid. It's just an alternative, an "exclusive" model in other words.
A flagship would be something along the lines of a GS600h.
well it diffently won't be the flagship thats the LS's job however the Lexus GS450h will be the premium of the gr range it says so at their site. check out the the GS450h video.
It would appear so.....
1) Lexus quality, performance, etc., in general
2) A potentential hybrid GS (but please feel free to start a new topic on it)
3) The Lexus IS
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"It's well managed," Nakamura said. "It has a very nice surface, beautiful proportions and nice detail everywhere.""
That's surprising. It's pretty rare for an executive of a competitor company to gush so much about a rival company's car. A refreshing change from the snobby, dismissive attitude from the folks at BMW and MB.
"Kazuo Okamoto, executive vice president for r&d of Toyota Motor Corp., said the LS 460 will have a newly engineered V-8 engine, as well as an all-wheel-drive hybrid V-8 edition with the equivalent power of a 6.0-liter V-12."
Since the S600 uses a bi-turbo 5.5L V12, I think the proper comparison would be the 6.0L V12 in the 760i, which is normally aspirated. That engine makes 438 hp, so I'd expect the LS600h to make similar output.
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This may be meant to incite people, I don't know, but I don't see any resemblance, do you?
I could not find many pictures of the rear-end of the 7, which may be due to it being so ugly, people are trying to hide them. I went to great lengths to find this!
Hmm, iam sad, Tokyo betrayed us! we really thought we will see something out here, but i guess will leave it to NAIAS, anyway Tokyo ends at the 6th of nov. so i hope we will hear something, and where is Kiyonaga-san?
concering NAIAS, hmm i dont think that lexus will show it ES, they dont want anything to steal LS thunder :P
Lexusi
I vote for that......... This is 2007 LS forum...............
side note: I might be the only one to think this, but... it seems to me that the late-80s Civic sedan had that trunk lip a few years before the 3-series had it, yet everyone accuses the Civic of ripping off the 3.
Anyway, BMW's stated reason for that rear end was that rear decks need to be higher for good aerodynamics (this is fact, and you'll see it on most cars), and that the Bangle Butt was the only way to get the high rear deck with a low, straight beltline. Anyone who wants to achieve those two goals (high deck, straight beltline) simply has to do the same. Kudos to BMW if they really were the first, but the Elantra, RL, and this Lexus pull it off without any awkwardness.
The rest of the car looks completely Lexus to me. For once. Not only that, but I think it doesn't have a disappointing line on it - something I can't say about the S-Class or 7-Series. Looks more imposing than either of those, too.
Can't wait to see the L-Finessed SC.
I do believe though that the 2002-05 7-series influenced the design of the LF-Sh. But it is evolutionary and the butt of the LF-Sh as I think everyone here agrees looks much better than the 2002-05 7-series'.
Paul Eisenstein (TCC publisher) says:
"Most Significant Production Vehicle: Yes, it's still a concept, but my pick is the LF-Sh. Already the top-selling luxury brand in the U.S., Lexus needs to go global, and the production version of the LS is the vehicle the Toyota division will depend on as it launches the Lexus badge globally."
and Marty Padgett (TCC editor) says:
"Best New Production Car: Let's call the Lexus LF-Sh what it is - the new LS460. Finally, Lexus has a truly pretty car to take on the new S-Class and 7-Series. It and Jaguar's XJ are the clear style leaders in luxosedans of this price point."
Source: http://www.thecarconnection.com/pf/Auto_News/Car_Shows/Tokyo_Auto_Show/2005_Tokyo_Show_Las- t_Words.S291.A9518.html
Look at those links:
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Waiting for someone to release some info!
Hope we will not wait toooo long!
Lexusi
Do you or anyone out there have interior photos of the 07 LS. Also, a list of standard features and option packages.
Thanks
Toyota officials let slip in Tokyo that the LF-A is going to have a V10 engine, developed from the engines in Toyota's F1 cars, which is thought to develop over 500bhp and give 200mph-plus capability. Although the engine is front- rather than mid-mounted, the LF-A will be rear-wheel drive, and Lexus has promised "the ultimate weight balance", "extravagant comfort" and "precision operation."
source http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/L/lexus/lfa-spider.html
Put something like that in an LS, even detuned a bit, but then adding hybrid, and you have potentially something in AMG territory.
The luxury marque’s first supercar concept, the LF-A is based on a 40-valve V10 producing close to 370kW (500 hp).
LF-A is based on the corporation’s developing Formula One technology.
The sleek two-seater concept blends the performance of an exotic sports car with the luxury refinements of a Lexus.
At 1220mm, LF-A is almost identical in height to the Ferrari F430.
“The LF-A concept expresses how we would design a premium sports car to compete with the best on offer,” Scott Grant said.
“We are hopeful it will be built as a production model, and that we would be able to make it available in Australia.”
Lexus LF-A ultra-high-performance sports car concept specifications:
Wheelbase: 2580mm
Total length: 4400mm
Total width: 1860mm
Total height: 1220mm
Front tyre size: 245/40R19
Rear tyre size: 285/35R19
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Why would Toyota build a V10 engine for a street car and then not use the engine in any of its line up? They would never do that. Clearly this car is getting ready for production, especially since they are naming details like where they even hope to allocate it.
We'll see the LF-A and probably see the V10 of the LF-A in the AMG-like variants in the Lexus line up, like in the LS. I say: Put the V10 into the IS 500.
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That is very possible and I expressed a similar sentiment here only last week. I think I said that if the LF-A is at a $100,000 price point, Lexus might want to make it more differentiated, and have only it receive a V10.
But I did see an article which made it sound like Lexus was very seriously considering a AMG-type "brand within a brand" performance division. That makes a performance-LS, possibly with a V10, a reasonable possibility.