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ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE AN ENVOY OR TB AT A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OVER INVOICE, HAS ANYONE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SUCH A DEAL IN FLORIDA?
LOCAL GMC DEALER SAYS WAIT, INCENTIVES PROBABLY ARE COMING SOON.
THANKS FOR ANY ADVICE.
There are two catches - one is that if you carry balances, the interest rate is darn near usurious, and the other catch is that if you don't already have that card, you never will - GM no longer offers that program, but existing cardholders get to stay in it.
The new GM cards (which I believe are about a year old), have no limit on total earnings (or annual earnings), slightly better interest rates (at least, it did when they offered to switch me), and more things besides GM cars to use the points on. The catch with the new card is that you have to accept GM's limits on how many points you can use on a particular model. The really big discounts are reserved for the cars that nobody wants, and they adjust the card rebates based on supply and demand throughout the model year.
As for my Bravada, I got it at $300 over invoice here in Massachusetts just before the recall. I used Carpoint to get a couple of local dealers to bid on it.
I've been using a card for nearly seven years now--it will start 'losing' at the front end in a month or two--and my balance is close to $6K. Which, when added to an invoice-plus deal at the friendly neighborhood TB or Envoy dealer, should result in a surprising out the door price. Question is, should I wait to see if they add rebates??
And a question: Anyone have any info on carrying kayaks on either of these trucks? Are Thule rooftop carriers adaptable to the factory-installed rack?
Good Luck, I hope you do get yours this week
Thanks for your help
Lastly, Why would you use ANY of these cards and carry a balance? You end up paying much more in interest than you earn. Charge less and pay the card off each month and put what you would have paid in interest in a separate account - you'll end up with more in the end.
Unless GM has a major surprise for me, it's my understanding that this amount is going to be deducted from a final price. Anyone have any positive/negative experiences in redeeming large amounts? Am I correct in assuming that I don't introduce this part of the deal until we've agreed on a price?
They both have there advantages. The advantage to the new card is that you can accumulate money much faster with no limits on accumulation, but you are limited on how much you can cash in on the vehicle model. The new card allowed me to use $1500 on a 2000 Tahoe, within 6 months I had accrued $1500 more for my Aurora (old card would only allowed $500), within 6 months after that I had accrued $1500 for the Bravada (sold the Tahoe)
So in one year I saved $3000 versus the max of $500 on the old. But it really depends on how many and how often you turn over vehicles. The bravada is still great.1400 miles.
the features or colors specified, once such changes have been instituted".
Man I thought I was talking to a dealer! Anyway, The GMC Envoy states Mid 2001 for the color. Anyone hear about the TB? Thanks
See lots of ads popping up for Envoys in the local paper. Still nothing on the 02 Bravadas.
As for the Envoy, the ride is incredibly smooth for a large SUV. It actually floats and wanders a little like a Town Car.
Note the 16-18 week lead time.
jim f
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Ron H
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Could that person please elaborate on this?
A better way perhaps is to do a Vehicle Comparison of all the models you are interested in--the weight specs are listed in there too, and you can look at them "side-by-side".
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Or one of the fixed windows in the rear area?
...this is very strange and potentially dangerous. Let's say you're cruising down the road at 70 MPH and the rear window explodes...
Sounds like a potential lawsuit to me.
Anyway (and it is anyway, NOT anywayS, just so you know since we are all concerned about proper use of the english language), the point is that it could have been a freak thing, possibly coupled with stress on the window if one of the latches was tighter or something. Let's not all call the lawyers just yet, ok?>....
Kirk
Kirk
The only time I've seen a glass spontaneous explode is when I moved a glass pan from the oven to the sink and immersed it in water...which was a dumb thing to do. But that was a 350 degree change in a matter of seconds.
Anyway...sounds really squirrelly.
The Envoy I tested was the cat's meow! Very impressive with many more features for the same price (or lower if you can get invoice price) than the Highlander I drove. The highlanders appear to be selling at MSRP, period. Both were stickered around 34K, but the Highlander was 2wd, the Envoy 4wd. The Highlander felt nice and tight and had good power, but nothing compared to the Envoy power. And the Envoy seemed to have a much much better turning radius, not sure what the real numbers are. Envoy won my test hands down. I don't wish to test a 2002 Explorer, I can do without the rattles. I love reading Car and Driver, but sometimes they are a little out to lunch on their reasoning.
BTW, I did notice the rear door seal hanging out of the bottom of the Envoy door while driving out of the dealer lot. Made me laugh to read the comments earlier on this subject.
Anyway, it appears a 2003 Envoy will by my wife's next car. I bought a new Silverado last year so It's her turn for the new one, else I'd buy it for myself. She loved the Envoy as much as I did. Neither of us like the On Star !*$!#!, and found it amazing you can't get a top of the line without leather. Not that leather's bad, we just don't prefer it. It get's too hot where we live to put up with burning your legs every time you get into the vehicle.
Are the Envoy, TB, Bravada cargo areas all the same dimensions?
I felt the same way about the seat belt. But it is something that I have gotten comfortable with.
Now that the recall is over and I have had a chance to get comfortable, here are my thoughts about my Envoy.
This SUV is nice. Other than some minor exterior fit and finish problems, I have enjoyed the SUV very much. It rides nice, looks great, 16 mpg city. I still feel it is way ahead of any other SUV in its class.
The suspension is superb. Not mushy but it handles the bumps beautifully. Those 17" wheels help. Fit and finish is good. The door gaps are a little wide but they are uniform and I cannot insert my finger. The engine is smooth as silk. A/C is excellent, radio (the basic CD version) sounds great with strong bass. The only minor negative is that I notice the steering is not precise. The vehicle wanders a little. Nothing serious though.
Remember these are DOHC motors and they usually don't have great low end power, so a little gear will probably help things.
If you are getting 2wd you will get better gas mileage anyway.
Now that I have 850 mile on my Bravada, I can say that this car amazes me every time I drive it, it always impresses the heck out of me - I just love it.
Few remarks on the car:
- Fit & finish: believe it or not, PERFECT
- Body roll: none, I have the air suspension
- Noise: none outside or inside, no wind noise even though the rack arm is up front, the air compressor works for less than a second and the hiss is not noticeable
- Rear tailgate window out side handle: is not glued, there are 2 screws so will not come off, may be the Bravada is different than the envoy
- Seat belts: what seat belts! just kidding, I have not noticed any thing about them, I am 5.11
Overall, it is a fine car.
The biggest negative about the Bravada is the cup holders, they suck big time, can't hold any thing secure and I hate there placement head of and back of the shift arm, same for the rear seat holders, located all the way down!
I just hope that it stays this way and that no more problems.
-Alan
All I got was the letter from GM and that was a bout a week before I got my car back.
-Alan