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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
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There is a weird correlation between the steering wheel and the engine's RPM:
When turning the wheel just a bit left or right I can hear the engine changing it's sound, and at that instance I can see the RPM needle going down to just above 500 - and up again to the normal (just under 1,000)...
This happens in Neutral, but also if you put it in D or R, without touching the gas pedal... The car would then actually jerk just a bit forward or backwards, respectively...
It seems as if the Power Steering system is putting some LOAD on the engine, but only at a certain point - and for a short time.
This seems weird to me...
Before spending time at the dealership, just wondering if anybody else has read about this, or noticed that, or cares to try it on his/her Civic?.... :surprise: :confuse:
Thanks!
It seems to me that what you're experiencing is SIMILAR in it's cause to mine, namely causing an exessive electrical LOAD on the engine...
I just don't think this to be JUSTIFIED... Operating your power window or sunroof has no reason be such a load on the electrical system... Certainly not turning your steering wheel...
To me it looks like an electrical malfunction.
You wrote "Emission testing is such a sham. A lot of states are eliminating the program."
Could you please list the names of those states?
Testing new cars costs a state MILLIONS of Dollars. A total waste and a hassle to new car owners.
That IL regulation is a lot different than eliminating the program entirely. New vehicles are good for two years here in NY.
But I digress. Let's not get this flame war going either. I understand that there are people that feel strongly about both sides of this issue and I respect that.
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-50.htm
Your state has a similar program. See pages 13 through 32 here:
http://sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/11csr/11c50-2.pdf
I think we can agree that such testing keeps our roads safer.
I don't think this is a problem. In both cases an addition load is being placed on a small, low torque engine, either by the P.S. pump or the alternator. I can't say I've noticed this in other cars, but I suspect Honda's not alone, and that it would be considered normal.
Maybe some other '06 owners would give it a try.
This can be annoying if you are trying to SLOWLY maneuver your Civic into a tight spot... Turning the wheel even slightly - causes the car to "jerk", even if just a bit.
At one point I actually put the gear into Reverse on our up-hill driveway. I could actually make the car move -- just by turning the wheel, and increasing the RPM...
To me it seems like the Power Steering is consuming a lot of electrical power, causing the engine to fluctuate its idling speed.
If there's any real mechanics out there, please check me on this.
Still waiting to read other's reaction.... Is this common on the new Civic?
Warner
Also, if anyone's interested, I just installed an intake for the '06 Civic Sedan, Warner and I talked about it in the MPG section. Anyone else installed it yet? :surprise:
Check out howstuffworks.com for a more detailed explanation along with pictures.
Hope this helps.
The only way I can respond, is that the Civic's engine is too small/weak for it's Power Steering system...
I actually left the car at the Honda dealership this morning... Let's see if they can come up with something.... I will report here the findings.
Well, then, no need to worry. Even though it's annoying, when you slowly trying to maneuver your car into a tight space.
As to "being too nit picky" -- fact is, I have NEVER noticed such a behavior in ANY of my other cars, past and present. It may be that (as mentioned before), unlike bigger cars, the smaller engine of the Civic is affected more by the load of the Power Steering.
End of story.
I agree with you 100%. You go right on being "nit picky". You know your car better than anyone so if something doesn't seem right, you should find out about it. I thought that was the purpose of this board.
Just to let you know, I checked my 2005 Dodge Stratus rental car to see if it has a significant drop in rpm and it doesn't. In fact, I couldn't detect any change. Your question is valid and if it is just a normal "feature" of the car so be it. At least you know this now.
I can't check my 2006 Civic because it has been in at the dealer for two weeks fixing a problem that I noticed by being "nit picky". A ticking sound that I heard turned out to be a major problem in the cylinder head which is now being replaced.
My message to the board is don't dismiss things too easily.
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Check the 4th paragraph under the "Better Handling" heading.
Dave
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Perhaps, until the door seals relax a bit, you should be sure that your climate control system is not on Recirculate. Perhaps leaving it on Vent will relieve the pressure.
I don't see any reason why your driver's door would be more difficult to close, than the front passenger door.
The driver's door may be out of alignment. but first check around the door and the frame, maybe the black rubber seal around is damaged, or bulging out, or maybe something got stuck next to the door hinges area...
In this case maybe a door seal, or the door latch, on the driver's door needs adjustment.
Also have had the vehicle back 5 times for rattling noise in engine compartment. Very loud noise that is worse during cold days. With car in drive at stop it sounds as if there is something loose vibrating very bad. Dealer did the following repairs. 1st,tightened all mounts.2nd, replaced belt tensioner. 3rd, replaced idler pully. At this time dealer told me several other vehicle have been in with same issue and that Idler pully is defective. Also said replacement part seems to just as bad.4th time back they replaced the idler pully and the belt tensioner.This did not correct the problem and dealer had Honda Tech come inspect vehicle.5th time...The Tech did not test vehicle under conditions to verify problem. Later that evening I had the dealer service director in the car and he heard first hand the loud noise and stated that this is beyond dealer repair because the replacement parts are defective. The dealer and American Honda now want an engineer to come look at the vehicle. I have had enough and decided I should start lemon law proceedings.">link title
I was wondering if someone can please tell me how good is the security alarm that is equipped on the 06 Civic LX. When someone hit the side of my doors, will the alarm sound off? Or does someone has to break my windiw, then the alarm will sound off?
Thank you very much
Dave
Keeping the current Si drivetrain with its peaky K20Z3 engine and the six-speed manual might turn off too many sedan drivers. I would have preferred Honda "detune" the engine to 180 bhp with a wider torque band so it could accommodate the excellent five-speed automatic used on the current Civic sedans.
We have also had trouble with the driver's side automatic window. When we use the auto up button it gets about 2 inches from closing and then goes back down. Again, this doesn't happen all of the time, only periodically and with no real pattern.
If anyone else has had either of these problems I would love to know. Any suggestions of language to use at the service center to explain this problem would be great too. The service center reacts as though I'm out of my mind for complaining about a 2006 car running roughly.