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Since nearly all new vehicles are sold at or near invoice ( ACV ) the true worth of a trade is the ACV it will bring at auction. It's what you can turn it into cash for within a week. Yes anyone can sell it privately and gain $3-4000 - and they should - if they have the time and want to expend the effort.
My sister and her husband are moving and wanted a 4WD SUV for the new area they'll be in. They don't have the time right now to sell it on their own. I suggested CarMax. But Mannhaim, the Black Book and Edmunds all had the trade-in values in the $13-$14,500 range, depending on condition.
-cj
Camry XLE V6 - 3516 lbs.
Aura XR - 3660 lbs.
Not quite a 600 lb. difference. Where do you get your information?
2007 Sonata GLS has a larger interior (105 cu ft), better crash scores, longer warranty, standard ABS, standard traction, standard stability, 3 rear headrests, interior air filtration, heated outside mirrors, and rear heat ventilation ducts.
The 2007 Fusion SE has 100 cu ft interior, standard 16 inch alloy wheels, in dash 6 CD changer, 2 rear headrests, and optional ABS.
Equipped with the automatic transmission and ABS, the Fusion SE MSRP is $20,300 and invoice $18,748.
With no options the 2007 Sonata GLS has a MSRP of $18,895 and invoice of $17,707.
Even the 2007 Fusion S trim with optional automatic transmission and ABS is more expensive with an MSRP of $19,440 and invoice $18,147.
The only plus the Fusion has over the Sonata is style. The S and SE MSRP and invoice should definitely be less than the Sonata's to be a good buy.
A 2007 Honda Accord Value Edition has an MSRP of $20,020 and invoice of $18,111. Don't like that there's drum instead of disc rear brakes, has 103 cu ft interior, only 2 speakers, standard ABS, manual outside mirrors, rear heat ventilation ducts, and 15 inch steel wheels but it's an Accord.
2007 Camry CE with optional stability control has MSRP $20,550 and invoice of $18,777. It has interior of 101 cu ft, ABS standard, 16 inch steel wheels, 3 rear headrests, and 6 speakers.
Both 2007 Accord and Camry have better crash scores than the Fusion.
How will the Fusion compete with a 2007 Accord Value edition and Camry CE with similar prices?
Aura XE = 3529#
Passat VE = 3344#
weights are with ATX and from edmunds
Faulty rear seat mechanism in your new Honda.. Why is this ok? :confuse:
After you figure these things out, you need to go take all the cars that are still on your list on a long test drive. After that, you could rent the car(s) that are still on your list for a weekend (all except the Accord anyway).
If you are really set on the Accord, you can try to find a '06 LX close-out special--may be hard to find, but it's a nicer car than the VE and won't be any different (except price) than a '07 LX. Same thing for the Sonata--the '06 really isn't much different than the '07 and you could save some bucks (bigger rebate and discounts) on a '06--you might even be able to find a '06 GLS V6 for less than a '07 I4, if a V6 appeals to you.
I'm really not interested in buying an Accord VE over a Sonata GLS. I think the Camry CE would cost a lot more money than a Sonata GLS.
I added them to my earlier post to show you could get a 2007 Accord VE or Camry CE for almost the same price as the Fusion SE.
ABS (as airbags) should be standard in midsize family cars. Compact sedans I could see ABS being an option.
Who said it was? The dealership fixes it and life goes on. No reason to stop enjoying your new car on this is there? Do you have an inferiority complex with Hondas?
Normally I'd agree with you, but this weekend one of my local VW dealers is offering new '06 Passat 2.0T automatics for only $20.8k. I think that is a pretty good price, considering the equipment on the car. Compare for example to a '07 Camry XLE I4 with comparable equipment. The Passat has a stronger engine also.
The biggest difference is that late this year or early next year, few people will be driving around in 2007 Altimas, but there will be about 1.7 million people driving around in the current-generation Accords.
The Saturn Aura and Chrysler Sebring are also brand-new for 2007. You'll have to decide if you think they are "sporty" looking or not. If you think the looks of the 2007 Elantra are sporty and aren't looking for a powerful engine, you could check that out also as it is all-new for 2007. Same for the 2007 Sentra, it will have mid-sized room and a Maxima-esque look.
The 2007 Altima is all new and the 2007 Accord is the same as the 2006 model. Between those two the new Altima would probably fit your criteria the best.
Other cars new for 2007 are the Saturn Aura and Chrysler Sebring. Though not new for 2007 but still fairly exclusive is the VW Passat and to some extent the Ford Fusion.
You have a lot of good cars to pick from.
Compared to what? Compared to brands like Toyota and Honda? No. Consider also the Sebring is a brand-new model, and new models tend to have more problems than mature models--even with the more reliable brands.
Consumer Guide
There are other publications and online sites of course but CG is my favorite.
As far as looks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find either the Accord or the Sonata to be good looking cars. I think I prefer the Sonata exterior, but Accords interior.
I too was disapointed to find that the 06 fusion did'nt have side airbags and ABS standard (although the bags are standard on 07s).
It SHOULDN'T come on unless there is something (a passenger or cargo) in the seat that weighs under 90 lbs. It is off all the time in all Accords with nothing in the front seat.
Check your owners manual before assuming your car has a problem.
*Raises hand* Well ya do now. No problems yet. More reliable to me than my Toyota. Id say go look at the Sebring, its a good car, and with those heated and chilled cupholders theyre getting..... Nice.
Part of the weight difference for the figures I listed is because the Aura has V6 in the base model, while the others have 4 cyl. I do not know what other differences there may be in equipment, size of the vehicles, etc.
They are getting better. The new V6 is much improved over the old OHV designs, and there's the new Ecotech 2.0 turbo with 260 hp--compare to the 200 hp in VW's 2.0T.
LOL! inferiority complex? did I say this in some way? I just find it a laugh that when Honda's have a problem its ok, "just move on" If this were a Ford/GM product I'm am certain your view may have been differnent, ya think?
It is common place, and knowledge that Honda products are spendy..
Cost of ownership is very often LOWER with Honda than other makes.
Accord $37212, Sonata $42864, Malibu $39188. Further, Malibu seems as economical as to Accord after adding savings from 0% APR, but Malibu's base model doesn't have safety features like ABS or side curtain airbags - features that are standard on Accord.
To sum up, Accord isn't any more expensive than other cars in its class.
Accord $37212, Sonata $42864, Malibu $39188. Further, Malibu seems as economical as to Accord after adding savings from 0% APR, but Malibu's base model doesn't have safety features like ABS or side curtain airbags - features that are standard on Accord.
To sum up, Accord isn't any more expensive than other cars in its class.
Looks to me like it is cheaper than the others if you own 5 years!
Accord: $35,009
Sonata: $34,940
So about the same, but Sonata has ESC that is not available on the Accord LX I4. The TCOs of a few other cars were:
Malibu LS: $34,923
Camry LE: $37,266
Mazda6i: $35,548
So with the exception of the Camry, which is quite a bit more than the others, the decision can be made based on which car you like best vs. 5-year cost--assuming you keep the car five years and drive it 75k miles in that time!
FYI, you can use Edmunds to generate True Cost to Own for under different assumptions - 5 years is the default and that's why I mentioned the 5 year ownership cost.
Finally, if I want to waste my money by buying a new car every 5 years, what's wrong with that? And, buying Accord every 5 years isn't any worse than buying something else every 5 years.
Which is why i still have an eleven year old Accord in the driveway!
I bought all these new and serviced at dealerships regularly. If a car breaks down (=requires towing) 4 times or more a year, I get rid of it. The Blazer needed to be towed 9 times in last 2 years before I got rid of it. The Protege has not needed towing till date - it needed other repairs.