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What Does Subaru Know That Others Don't?



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The diesel GLK 250 starts at $44k so that would come in $9k lower.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 37,867
    Base on that car is actually 40K, 45K or so with "normal" equipment, perhaps.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I actually searched CarGurus and picked the lowest price.

    Then again, this is Potomac...they're not equipping any of them below $44k for this market, I suppose.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 37,867
    Yeah, you usually have to special order a base. Germans know how to play the option game to maximize profit.
  • ohenryxohenryx Posts: 285
    Might I respectfully request that you guys quote, at least a little, at least occasionally? I opened this topic, and the web browser shows me a page with 3 messages back and forth from fintail and ateixeira. Neither one quoted anything, and I don’t have a clue what car they are talking about. I feel rather like I am eavesdropping on a private conversation.

    Yes, I could go back a page, and then scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to find out. But that wouldn’t be necessary if you would quote “just a little, just enough”, and more people might participate in these conversations if you made it a little easier for them.

    Thanks for your consideration.

    ON EDIT: I bet you guys are doing this from smartphones, aren’t you? Which makes it 10 times more difficult to quote.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We can change the subject to make it easier to follow.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like there were really impressed with the (gulp) CVT in Sport Sharp mode.

    I'm glad that means something now. Early Sport Sharp modes only changed throttle mapping, to a less linear map, no less. Now it actually affects powertrain behavior.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,260

    Hopefully the next iteration will be more stylish as well as get much better mileage on regular grade fuel (Or diesel).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So what will take its place? I think the Impreza will, but I wonder if the Forester is a better choice given the volume? Maybe both?
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,857
    ...some news you're not sharing??
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,260 uction#.UmlDjWfD8-U

    Subaru sales have been on a major upswing, not surprised that they no longer have excess capacity problems anymore...

    Article says they are making more room for Foresters which have been selling like hotcakes.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,857
    ...and the article also says they have not even started talks with Toyota to end Camry production.

    It will happen eventually. Toyota just has to find more space for the Camry.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,873
    It says they currently produce Foresters there... ? I thought that plant was used for Outback and Legacy at this point. 100% of their Forester and Impreza sales came from imported vehicles the last I checked, so I wonder if something changed or if the article is mistaken about current production. It wouldn't surprise me if they started producing Forester to meet demands, I just don't think they are using it for that purpose now.

    Hey, maybe they'll produce their diesel Foresters for the NA market there! :P
    2013 Volkwagen Passat TDI, 2008 and 2010 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I read something in the last few months about how they were going to start producing Imprezas in the U.S. for the next generation in a couple of years. I assumed they were going to produce them at SIA, which will be impossible if they convert the Camry line to build Foresters. Perhaps they are also going to expand the plant?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,873
    edited October 2013
    Possibly. But, if they build Foresters there, it may become a moot point as it could open up some capacity at the plant in Japan for more capacity on other vehicles (Impreza, XV, WRX). I mean, depending on how much capacity they actually attain with this move in Indiana.

    Clearly, though, if the trend continues (sales, that is), they're looking at more capacity needed *somewhere*.
    2013 Volkwagen Passat TDI, 2008 and 2010 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder if they use Impreza/Forester interchangeably since they can both be made on the same line?
  • That'll probably be watered down about 70% for production... :(

    2015 Legacy Concept
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,873

    Yep, we're in for another five years of "meh."

    2013 Volkwagen Passat TDI, 2008 and 2010 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • link title

    When Subaru and Toyota part ways in Indiana, the move could give Subaru capacity for up to 400,000 of its own vehicles annually, something it desperately needs if it intends to keep pace with current vehicle demand. Subaru is on a roll; this year, it is poised to outsell Volkswagen in the United States.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,857
    But the article also says that Toyota isn't leaving until 2017. I'm guessing that will give them plenty of time to either expand Georgetown or build another plant.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hurry up and get out, 'yota!

    The storms closed SIA for a day or two, but they're back up and running now.
  • watkinstwatkinst Posts: 119
    Subaru does not load its cars full of content like all of those who have struggled to find a way to sell cars like Subaru.

    When it comes down to it Reliability ratings and owner satisfaction are not about how many gadgets you pump your vehicle full of given the more gadgets in a car the lower the reliability is and usually the lower the owner satisfaction ratings are.

    In the end its about value vs having what you need and use that makes Subaru pretty damn good today.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695

    I'm really seeing the new Forester everywhere in my area, which was already a pretty Subaru-loving kind of area anyway. They are saying now that they hope to hit their 500K annual sales goal sooner than 2016, or whatever the target year was. I bet they can do it. Meanwhile, VW just keeps sliding the other way wondering what went wrong, even though they sell a much more full model line than Soob does.

    Even given that all the new product of the last few years has hit the mark, it's kind of amazing that they will be near the 500K mark soon, when it was way down at just 200K what, less than a decade ago? And all those sales from about 600 dealers or something.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    edited January 2014

    I don't know what they know, but they sure know SOMETHING! :-P
    From Automotive News:

    __Subaru of America set its fifth consecutive sales record in 2013, as its sales jumped 26 percent to 424,683 vehicles.

    In a month when many brands struggled to eke out a gain, Subaru's December sales climbed 10 percent to 40,172, the best December in Subaru's history, the company said.

    Subaru said more than 60 percent of its customers last year were new to the brand.

    ...Sales in the Sunbelt -- an area targeted by the company for growth -- rose 45 percent last year, he said.

    The redesigned Forester crossover was a major factor in Subaru's performance, with a 62 percent increase in 2013 to 123,592 units.

    ...Sales of the new Impreza-based XV Crosstrek crossover, introduced in late 2012, surged to 53,741._ _

    I have to say, that XV CrossTrek thing was a major coup for them, given that it was mostly just a slightly jacked up Impreza. I never would have predicted over 50,000 sales of those, and yet it doesn't surprise me - that is a lot more common in my area than the Impreza is.

    They are eyeing a 500K annual sales goal by 2016 - with results like these and a new Outback just over the horizon, they could well do it...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I would think marketing.

    Watching multiple Subarus flying around dangerous roads at the ski resort this past weekend, it appears that Subaru has convinced its customers that having standard all wheel drive lets your car defy all laws of physics.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 52,758
    edited January 2014

    @hercules00 said:
    I would think marketing.

    Watching multiple Subarus flying around dangerous roads at the ski resort this past weekend, it appears that Subaru has convinced its customers that having standard all wheel drive lets your car defy all laws of physics.

    True enough, that same type of macho marketing put many a Range Rover into a ditch (also a very capable off-road vehicle despite the image of it in our minds).

    It certainly hasn't been STYLING, that's for sure. So yeah, I'd say marketing, a basically good reputation by word of mouth, some good luck (no horrible publicity in spite of a few rather serious factory defects), affordability, and capturing a young marrieds market.

    Also DOGS---dogs have probably sold more Subarus than people have.

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  • jfljfl Posts: 1,374

    I drive a Subaru and it's the big SUVs tailgating me that concern me. These AWD/4WD drivers just don't understand that once you're off the gas, you're like every other car on the road. Maybe worse if it's bigger and heavier.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,873

    One thing that I think really helped the Forester and Outback sales to hold/climb over their current (past, in the case of Forester) generations is the fact that they were constantly tweaking the models during that time. They introduced fairly significant package adjustments and drivetrain updates that made a real difference to the consumer. Just a few off the top of my head, there was the CVT, Eyesight (ugh!), FB block, and, for the Forester, the intro of the roof rail/tinted window/alloy wheel package on the "X" trim in mid-year.... MY10?

    I know that most manufacturers tweak things a little within a cycle, but I think many of these things were pretty significant compared to what happens within most models' mid-cycle refreshes.

    2013 Volkwagen Passat TDI, 2008 and 2010 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 51,106

    I think the biggest thing they did was make the Outback and Forester bigger. They're practically SUV size now.

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