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I"ve been seeing all these fantastic prices for buys and wonder what the price to purchase would be in Chandler, Tempe or Mesa, AZ? If you've bought recently, please let me know. Thanks !!
Whether this info is correct or not I don't know - just passing on what he told me.
bowke28 "Honda Accord" Feb 12, 2003 3:00pm
What dealer in NJ did you speak with? Is it Honda financing or a local lender?
i spoke to another NY dealer today, and he confirmed it....its not a rumor...
239$ per month for 36 month, and 1355$ first
payment. Does this sound like a good deal?
Also, if I lease from one dealership, can I
return the car to another dealership at the
end of the lease?
thanks
Cheers..
What this means to us as carbuyers is that the cost of the low APR (roughly $7/mon for every % APR) will be loaded into the car's price.
If you can negotiate, say, an invoice price with the 2.9 APR - that'll be a great deal. If the dealer says "2.9 APR = give us a break on the price," then they're just buying down the rate as Bowke says and making you pay for it.
Does Honda make a 2003 Accord EX-L coupe; 4-cyl 5-speed with navigation? I thought I saw it on the hondacars site and edmunds, but my local dealer told me that the navi only comes with the v6 series.
In Billiam70's case, if he went to the dealer and offered to buy at the quoted price (helped along with a print-out of the email), the dealer would be hard pressed not to honor it.
A "material typo" would be, say, a quote of $14k for a $24k car and this could be reasonably explained away as such, a typo.
For $800, while the case has a legal leg to stand on, I probably wouldn't pursue anything more serious than telling the dealer off in a civil manner and taking my business elsewhere. On the other hand, if the store valued its reputation and integrity, they'd honor the quote and I could probably refer more business to them.
I knew this alarm system is more expensive than the aftermarket price.
Since I really need it and the dealer gave me
3 years warranty on the alarm, I agreed to buy the alarm for $540 and they gave me 3.24%.
I think dealers could give you any lower rate financing, but you have to pay more on other stuffs.
I tried to negotiate a price on it ($26360 with fogs and spoiler), but they wouldn't budge from MSRP with no options. They were however, willing to drop their $495 locality adj, $195 mud guards, $95 pinstripes, and reduce their doc fee from $399 to $75.
Still have a few calls to make, but the other dealers are getting silver. Unfortunately, the sales mgr. was probaby right... its Valentine's/President's Day weekend and they'll probably get a buyer at $27145 + $399 doc fee.
Anybody else negotiating on a 6MT? If these guys were willing to go to MSRP, SOMEBODY'S gotta go lower.
Another dealer, Hughes in Warner Robins, wouldn't budge from MSRP with no options (except splash guards and pinstripe--whoopdee).
So the sales rep did the deal sheet and was about ready to ask me to sign it. I noticed the price didn't make sense. So I looked a little closer and see a $189 VTR fee stuck in with licensing and registration. I question the rep and she says it was Vehicle Theft Registration (aka window etching) and all their cars had it so it was automatically added in the price just like registration and license. I know I could have got the VTR fee removed after another round with the sales manager but I was tired of the sleaze so we got up and left.
I pitty the poor consumers who have this scam pulled on them. It is one thing to try and upsell somebody for a service or option; sell the value and a let the consumer decide. It is another thing to try and hide etching as a mandatory fee like registration and license. In many cases a consumer might not even know the VTR fee was a dealer add or when they do find it they may be to far emotionally into the deal to stop. IMHO this is a sleaze tactic and I will take my business some where else.
FYI, you can get a window etching kit for 20-$30. If you read the fine print for the etching registration and insurance you will find they are pretty much worthless to the consumer. Also, some police agencys and automobile clubs have etching days where you can have your car done for $10-$15.
As posted earlier, if APR is not price-dependent (meaning you're able to get best price "on cash" and dealer will still use that price divided by the number of months' installments), then it's a great deal.
If not, it's just the dealer's way of getting customers to the store.
Rule of thumb, it's about $7/mo for every % APR for a 60 month term. Thus, if regular APR is 5%, dealer will add $2,100 ($7x5%x60mos) to their lowest acceptable price for the car. If that's invoice of $23,765 for a V6, installment papers will show $25,865 payable in 60 months. Obviously not a 0% deal, if such is the case.
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specialreports/articles/64615/artic- le.html
1) Does it duplicate the vehicle defect coverage of the carmaker ? If yes, then it's worthless for the period of the factory warranty (3/36 bumper-to-bumper for Honda).
2) Will the vehicle be leased for 3 years/36k miles ? If so, one obviously doesn't need coverage beyond the factory warranty.
2) Does it cover bumper-to-bumper starting from 3/36 and beyond ? If yes, we then assess the car's reliability record. For the most part, Honda Accords have had very few major problem areas during and after the 36k mile mark. I've had 2 Accords surpassing 36k miles with no problems whatsoever. Next question: because it's basically a reliable car, is the risk small enough to "self-insure ?" Meaning, if the E.W. Plan offered by the dealer is an additional $15/month for, say, 48 months - would it make sense to just put that amount aside ourselves in the bank to cover contingencies ? In my case, the answer was yes.
4) Is the plan actually a "maintenance contract" that covers scheduled maintenance items like oil/fluid/filter changes, drivetrain check-ups and tire rotation ? If so, it makes sense to compare the dealer's "maintenance plan" with what's available elsewhere. When I was offered this $700/45k plan last Nov during my EX purchase, I declined it because I could get the same services from my local garage for about $220 (45k miles=9 oil & filter changes, 4 tire rotations, etc. for $20/oil change & tire rotation package for a total of $180 plus $35 for the a/c and air filters).
Bottom line: Hondas are good enough cars to justify self-insurance. Put the money instead in a high-yield type deposit and withdraw it when needed (unlikely anyway with a Honda).
I have had lots of Honda cars and only had one problem out of warranty with a 90 Civic's ignition system. We didn't find out until after we sold the car that Honda eventually had a recall that covered our problem. So my experience has been that you don't need an extended warranty because the cars are reliable.
However the Hondas of today have far more gadgets and electronics in them than the Honda cars in the past. The cost of repairs from a labor standpoint is really high to a point that the $730 dollars (10 hours labor?) for 7/75 contract might be a reasonable insurance premium. Since the contract is transferable, you could recoup some of your cost if you sell the car before it expires.
The 03 Accord is a first year car and first year cars are usually the most problematic of all the years. In the past I would have never considered an extended warranty for a Honda. Today when I look at all the features/gadgets in the Accord EX we are buying, I am leaning towards an extended contract.
It's run by Curry Honda which has locations in MA, NY, and Atlanta, GA. The warranty is backed by Honda.
After mentioning this one to the finance guy, he was done selling his after saying that I could finance theirs into the car payments.
The other benefit I see is that the warranty is transferable--which should make private resale easier.
The pricing info from hondawarranty.com was invaluable. The folks I dealt with were pushing a contract from some company called Fidelity over the HondaCare that cost more and had a shorter coverage period. Once they knew I could buy a better HondaCare contract for less money they quickly sold me a HondaCare contract and matched the hondawarranty price.
Thanks to all for sharing their buying experiences. Knowledge is power.
2003 Honda Accord EX-L
4 cyl: $20,988
V6: $23,100
I think these are pretty darn good! Someone please tell me if they believe otherwise. I read a trillion websites and did a ton of research. Husband is impressed with my new found negotiation skills...although he won't come out and say it
My biggest problem is that I'm still deciding between the Accord (the V6 $23,100) and the 03 VW Passat GLS 1.8T for 23,600. Certainly, the Accord gives me more bang for my buck and I'm more comfortable with the reliability. But I'm not big on the Accord looks and love the Passat! I think I just have to learn to love the Honda......but that's a whole 'nother post...
An Acura TSX, having more of that European personality, might just be the optimum solution - premium-branded, responsive, reliable and good resale.
Thank you for your response! Yes, I agree that it's a lot of money to spend on a car I don't like. As you mentioned, I do think the car's looks would grow on me, and I'll have more peace of mind with it's reliability. I realize anything can happen with cars, but if something were to happen to the Accord I'd feel like I was unlucky. Whereas with the Passat, if something goes wrong, I'll feel like it is my fault for having bought something that I already know will likely have some issues.
Thanks, atlantabenny for your response, too! I have read posts from Passat owners and it has me very worried. Although, *some* people are very happy with their Passat- I definitely hear more bad than good.
I just don't understand how Passat keeps getting great overall ratings. This site, for example, says its their favorite car of its class...(or something to that effect). It was rated number three in Car&Driver (Accord being #1), and its received pretty good reviews in Consumer reports for 2002. It seems like its always had some problems in the past...and I just keep thinking that even though they've probably fixed a lot of things...what will be next??!!
I would not even consider the Accord without at least a spoiler. It looks a lot better with a spoiler, but still overwhelms me with its large, egg like shape (and why, oh why didn't they update the tail lights?!) I don't know why I care...I'm certainly not a car person, but I still want something I like.
AtlantaBenny- I would love another Acura (my last car was the integra..I'd still be driving it but I totalled it-it was 8.5 yrs old anyway)However, it seems all the new Acura are more expensive. Looks like the RSX only comes in 2 dr (I need a 4) and from the pics I've seen, the 4 doors seem very sedan-y. I can't seem to find any Acura TSX (that you mentioned). Which one is this??? Maybe I'll take a quick look around today just to be sure.
........Thanks for the help! I'm a mess this morning. I have NO car after today and HAVE to buy something. Such pressure! I was hoping I'd wake up knowing what my decision was....
That's the hidden TSX site for official info. Otherwise, you should be able to find some info on the boards here, or at www.vtec.net, or www.clubtsx.com
The TSX's "grapevine price" is right at about the Accord V6's MSRP of $26k; to get invoice pricing as one can with the Accord, you probably need to wait a couple of months until the new car halo vanishes.
Another minus for the Passat I didn't mention is its short remaining lifecycle - it's bound to be replaced next 2 years, after which market value will dramatically drop. With its other shortcomings, owning the car another 2 or some years after that might just be too uncomfortable.
If I were in your shoes - not wanting the Accord and curious about the TSX (and having eliminated the Passat) - I'd get "cheap interim transport" until the TSX comes out. That could either be a cheap 3-month car rental deal, a "short-term paid-loaner" deal with an Acura dealer (they have vested interest to sell you the TSX) or a paid loaner car from a friend. With some cash, I could even get a fast turn-around pre-owned car to use meantime.
If that's making the TSX sound so appealing, I believe that's because it is - given what you're looking for in your next car.
I saved a TSX online promo video which I can only share by forwarding the email it came in; if you're interested, email me so I can send it to you.
Thank you for your help
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