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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Here is an article that kind of explains how it works in layman's terms. Looks like the satellites are in a 12 hour orbit around the earth. Which would explain the constant changes. Hopefully it pinpoints the 2 dimensional location more precisely than the elevation.

    http://www.kowoma.de/en/gps/orbits.htm
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    That's an interesting read. I wish I could follow it better. At one point..altho I hate to admit it :( but my eyes started to glaze over. I hate when that happens..Sometimes I wonder if it is hardening of the arteries..
    At least that's my story and I'm gonna stick to it..

    It said that any four sats should be available at any one time, but I know mine sometimes shows as few as one or two. Less than that and it displays 'searching for sats' or something like that indicating that too much error is possible until it grabs an extra sat or two. I'm sorta in the north here and even on my property which is really varied in terrain with some steep cliffs and elevation changes, later in the day is harder to lock on six or seven which often are available at other times. Seasons seem to affect it also. Tree coverage, and of course the immense Cdn shield (rock..black and pink granite) depending on where you're standing, affects it big time..

    You have a cool wife, Gary..I wish my past GFs had taken such an interest in reading up on how a new purchase works. Didn't seem to matter whether it was a car or a VCR, she'd always hand me the book..

    I notice in that pic that it appears that your mirrors are folded in? I suspect they motor themselves in when you lock up the car to allow more elbow room when walking between cars and to keep them outta harms way..
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I notice in that pic that it appears that your mirrors are folded in?

    They do go in when you stop the engine and pull out the fob thingy. My wife is a reader. She was not as interested when we bought the Sequoia. I think she really likes this vehicle. I found it much more intuitive than Japanese vehicles. Even with all the added electronic entertainment.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    Yes, the new tech gets more complicated even for gassers. I finally just got and OBDII scanner last week. It helps fight the battle. Now that I fixed the Mustang with new plug wires, an exhaust flange, and some coolant sealer, I'm getting a combined 30 mpg from it that matches my '10 Malibu. I highly doubt any VW diesel of comparable size gets 50 comb mpg for 50/50 driving that I am comparing, for any of the years between the '98 and '10 that I have getting 30 mpg. My '10 Malibu just gave me 38.5 mpg on the 900 mile trip to the Smokies and back in June, running the range readout on the DIC up to 667 miles when I filled the tank. That's 44 mpg if it were to be adjusted for $4 diesel. (from $3.50 RUG). Trouble with mpgs that high up is that you start to compare 20 vs 23 gallons being used per month to drive 12k miles a year when putting even 50 mpgs up against 44 mpgs. You end up chasing negligible savings with a car (VW) that the only one I personally know of, had the $1200 turbo die in 80k miles. Meanwhile, my SC is still humming at 196k miles in my Buick 3800.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    I prefer to use the William's Warbler myself..
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    The biggest issue is Chevrolet has not come out with a like model Malibu TDI. LIke model should be easily 30% better mpg or 39 to the gassers 30 mpg. Indeed for similar weight the 14 Cruze diesel claims EPA H of 46 and put out more torque than the Malibu gasser and with a .4 L smaller engine. So mpg wise that is 53% better !! . So at best one is really chasing apples to oranges to peaches comparisons. Because Cruze TDI is relevant to this (diesel) thread, I for one look forward to the Cruze TDI owners real world reviews. So 30 vs 46 mpg for 12k is not a deal killer unless you bought the car for only 12k miles. So when you start to look at 100,000 miles, then you are talking 3333 gals vs 2174 gals consumption or 53% more. Using current prices $3.93/$4.13 (use whatever yours are, this is my corner stores) that is $13,099 vs 8,979 or 4,120 more per 100,000 miles. x 2= 8,241 per 200,000 miles.

    Other than that, once in a while one to some of the big three do get some models right. If one looks at the ratings for reliability on edmunds.com for the Malibu it garners 5/5 across the board.

    Another Chevrolet product that is getting some notice is the 14 Impala which in the CR points ratings post @ 95/100 points, just below Porsche 911 series. I think a killer application would be a Impala diesel ! That might an outlier viewpoint ! It goes without saying the points do NOT make the cars in any way shape or form similar cars.
  • highenderhighender Member Posts: 1,358
    yep, those were Kumho tires....... not exactly OEM......placed bay Discount Tires.
    I am lucky to be alive.

    See ya at the next NoCal GTG...
  • highenderhighender Member Posts: 1,358
    yep.... your memory is great. I defended the SUV, as did others.

    Against LI Sailor and Harlequin and others.

    I got the B100 from Berkeley co op called Biofuel Oasis. Still go there to get B100, but just add a 1/2 gallon to my tank after each fillup nowadays.......................

    I sold the cayenne before the cayenne tdi came out, and decided against the toureg tdi. oh well...............................

    Take care....

    What happened to Tidester ?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    ..."I knew that handle. You were one of the few that did not hate SUVs. "...

    Another "HATER" myth that has LONG since been put out of its misery !!!!

    C & D did an article on a more late model Porsche Cayenne (SUV).

    Porsvhe Cayenne TDI posted app .92 G skidpad !!! EPA H of 29 mpg puts another "HATER" myth BITING the dust.

    Indeed, some years AFTER the thread was closed, the BIG three (union labor, aka ... oh yes BIG republican fans: along with the Environmental CONS !! ?? ;) ) continue to thrive after two HUGE taxpayer BAILOUT's ( for 2/3) thrive CONTINUING to MAKE BIG cars and BIG ("light") trucks: which continue to be the MAJORITY of the passenger vehicle fleet @ 75%. One of the (biggie) three automakers had to be sold to FIAT (a foreign Corp !! ?? ) no less to get small car expertise into its mix. This is as if Detroit could not figure out HOW !! ???It is about as disingenuous as dropping an anchor on a man OVERBOARD ! ?

    Game, Set, MATCH !
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    C & D did an article on a more late model Porsche Cayenne (SUV) and IT post app .92 G skidpad

    The latest on the Cayenne TDI has it with a overall best of .94G. The Touareg with a not so shabby .85G. That matched the BMW 35D and beat the Jeep GC and ML350 Bluetec. One win for the Touareg means a lot to me. It had the lowest noise level at 70 MPH. Beating the MB, JGC and Porsche Cayenne. Much of my driving is at 70 MPH on the highway.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    What are the overall reliability ratings of the TDI I-4 engines of late? A SC sits on the intake and runs around 185F. The Turbo sits on the exhaust manifold, relying on air to cool it, and is directly exposed to hot combustion gasses and thermal cycling from high to low rpm differences.

    I used to drive more but ended up moving closer to my job. Now, 8000 miles a year gets me to work and I have a second vehicle to even share those miles across. My neighbor bought a new Prius last year to go to the grocery store. If we traded cars, I'd save 8 gallons a month.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    The other "odd" thing (beneficial however) is how many vehicles have those sorts of skidpad ratings and in addition, tow app 7500#'s ?

    RIP to Tidester.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That is a good point. I could not find any main stream sedan that can match the skid pad of the top Sport Utes. Which means in an emergency maneuver SUVs like the Touareg and X5 are safer than a Camry, Accord or Malibu. The 64 db noise level at 70 MPH of the Touareg TDI is only lower when you get into the luxo barges like the LS and S. Both the Skid pad and noise ratings are not easy to find.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited August 2013
    "That's an interesting read. I wish I could follow it better. At one point..although I hate to admit it; my eyes started to glaze over. I hate when that happens..Sometimes I wonder if it is hardening of the arteries"

    No gimmee, it is partial death syndrome, (PDS) a degenerative disease that causes memory loss, moaning, and an intense desire for brains.

    LOL. :shades:

    Sorry I have been gone so long. The mid-size 2.0 board has been busy.

    Speaking of GPS - I thought you diesel road trip travelers should know that the Garmin Nuvi (like my 255w from 2010) provides one free map update within 90 days of purchase, and one free update after.

    I didn't know this, and for 3 years didn't bother to update the maps. However, for my summer vacation i decided to do it, but found that I got a free update to the lastest map!

    I just thought you gents should know that you don't have to wait, or try to torrent a free one (plagiarism).

    Not bad for an $89 bucks spent years ago, and after years of being out in the heat, cold, and everything else it still works perfectly and looks new.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited August 2013
    It varies by model, but some Garmins (like mine) offer free lifetime maps.

    I'm sure the fine print says "lifetime of the device" somewhere, but I update mine about every 3 months.

    I'm in mid-Wisconsin right now and haven't checked premium, but I'm back in the ~.40 cent spread between regular (~$3.57) and diesel country.

    We're in cruising mode and I'm barely speeding. Got passed by a Passat TDI yesterday on a section of Interstate we got on and it must have been going 85. :-)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    RUG $3.91, PUG $4.11, D2 $4.11.

    12 VW T PUG= 18.8 mpg/4.11= 21.9 cents per mile driven,
    12 VW T TDI D2=24.9 mpg/4.11= .16.5 cents per mile driven or 32.7% more expensive AND uses 32.4% more fuel. www.fuelly.com

    I will be the first to say a portable GPS can be a PITA. However, the flips side is you can take it from car to car and don't have to know multiple function protocols. Needless to say it is (relatively) WAY cheaper to repair and/or replace when and if it goes BAD or you just get tired of it or just want a new one. For me, the majority of GPS oems are literally in the neighborhood, sold by local stores IN the neighborhood (aka support your local business's) :shades: ;)
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    Personally I'd rather have a Prius V over a Touareg, since the Prius gets double the MPG at half the cost and has even more cargo area. I'll take the extra $25K and use it for something else ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    Prius V vs VW T TDI is strictly an apples to beef jerky comparison. You might as well say you'd rather have a Prius than Tundra CrewMAX Cab (EPA H 17 mpg). . Indeed Toyota needs Prius to be able to sell many many many more (V-6 to V-8 Toyota trucks

    A VW Polo TDI gets 75 mpg which is 50% better than a Prius V . The Polo is far cheaper than almost any Prius. ;)

    Indeed it would be interesting to have a Prius TDI hybrid on the market. Again it would be easy to expect 30% better mpg from a Prius TDI vs a gasser. ;)

    But then I got an 04 Civic (38-42 mpg) vs 04 Prius (44 mpg). The price difference was app 12.4k., which is a LOT of gas. For the (Prius') 6 mpg better, it would take me 48.82 years to break even (18,000 miles per year. Indeed for $200 more I could have gotten 2 04 Civics to one 04 Prius. Now that is more apples to apples ;)

    But then a Civic TDI should get a min of 30% better mpg !
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It is obvious that comfort and quiet are not high on your list of priorities. The Prius at 70 MPH is noisier than the Touareg. It is not even in the same league as the VW for safety, handling, acceleration, luxury & comfort. You can have the 42 MPG Prius, I will keep the 26 MPG Touareg. There is no comparison or the possibility I would ever cross shop the two. Let's go to the desert and compare them going down a nice sandy wash.

    If I was in the market for a two wheel drive station wagon I would have bought the VW Sportswagen TDI. I am serious when I say I will NEVER EVER buy another gas powered vehicle.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    I think that one of the points about diesels are the app 30% better fuel mileage over like model gassers. So if Bobw3 were not prone MAKING misleading and disingenuous comparisons, the (like model) VW Touareg gasser HYBRID should have been cited. Needless to say the HYBRID is EPA H rated MINuS- 5 mpg LOWER than the TDI (24 mpg- 29 mpg). Indeed it is rated 1 mpg better than the turbo gasser (only) The hybrid option is literally thousands more ($9,125 MSRP more).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The emotional scarring of driving a Prius for a long distance is worth a lot more than 25K :shades:

    My friend with a Prius C has reached a point where he wants to park under trees, hoping one randomly falls on the car. The payment on my diesel car is twice as much as his - but IMO I have more than twice as much car. There's more to life than a few extra mpgs, and your bank book does you no good once you're in a casket.
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    "There's more to life than a few extra mpgs, and your bank book does you no good once you're in a casket. "

    You're right...But I'd rather buy other toys than a VW SUV like you.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    ..."My friend with a Prius C has reached a point where he wants to park under trees"...

    Yes, look for dead and leaning trees.... I actually saw this in a recent walk through a SF, CA neighborhood (not far from the ICONIC crooked street, aka Lombard St). Evidently the (unionized- normally they would yellow tape it, throw orance cones around it and tell everybody to pick a number and come back next month) grounds crew made fast and short work of the tree clean up, as it blocked a packed tourista cable car route. I would have hated to be the Prius owner coming back to a Prius "dropped topped " CONVERTIBLE :lemon: Gotta say the grounds crew was considerate. Instead of leaving a big ole tree trunk on top of the Prius they removed it also. :shades: Now I wonder if the Prius owner got a ticket for over time parking and parking a wreck on a public street !!! :sick:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't have a SUV. I'd rather have the AWD diesel wagon we can't get in the US rather than a soul-destroying hybrid, then my car can be one of my toys instead of something on par with my microwave or toaster :shades:
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    So keep wishing for something you can't get in the usa :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The SF resident Prius owner might have been sad, but you might have been happy ;) - use the insurance money to buy a nice TDi or something.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I'll just take a nice subsidized lease on a diesel MB, while still having a fun to drive toy car. No complaints.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    I will check this out myself since nobody will tout actual numbers. A mid size car with a diesel can best my 33 hwy EPA Malibu with a 43 hwy rating? (30%) What VW model is considered mid size? Passat?. Toureg 43 vs Equinox 33 too?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    You're right...But I'd rather buy other toys than a VW SUV like you.

    That would be me that has to have an SUV for trips. I cannot think of any toy I would rather have. I would suggest you take a new GLK250 Bluetec for a test drive. But you would be sick getting back into a Prius and hate yourself. I have a feeling we are going to see some real good mileage postings for the GLK 4 cylinder diesel.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    Passat TDI is EPA rated @ 43 mpg. Also the Taylor's (you can google, so what you assert is NOT true) posted 84mpg + on (one sealed tank full) a 2012 Passat TDI !

    Wayne Gerdes (& side kick as shotgun- the side kick/Gerdes looked to be 6 ft 5 and 250#'s + !! Should have gotten a shorter person @ 110 #'s? ;) ) did his "hyper mileage" routine also. They are trying to beat app 69 mpg, set by the Taylor's in a 09 Jetta TDI. over more than 8,000 miles.

    ..."Gerdes himself set a Guinness World Record for his 2011 drive in a Kia Optima Hybrid. His average of 64.55 mpg on that nearly 8,000-mile trip still stands as the record for the lowest fuel consumption by a hybrid vehicle traveling all 48 U.S. states. But the conventionally powered diesel Passat posted significantly better economy than the hybrid, surpassing its average by 13 mpg."...

    This is what they did in the real world:

    ..."Beat hybrid vehicle record by 13 mpg"... (sidebar issue @ best :P ;) Ah that is 20% better )

    ..."To cover 8,122 miles on just 104.94 gallons of fuel is nothing short of astonishing and shows just how economical our TDI Clean Diesel vehicles can be,"...

    link title
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited August 2013
    When they build a hybrid that will get as good a mileage, with equal comfort handling, towing ability, off road ability as the current German diesels, I will give them a shot. So far no gas or hybrid SUV is even close.

    PS
    Fiat/ Chrysler got their head out of the sand and we will soon see the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    I am indeed surprised that no JGC TDI owner has posted on this thread.... YET !? Come to think of it no Mazda TDI er's? Come to think of it no Cruz TDI'ers'. Did I leave out anyone? :sick: :lemon:
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,496
    What's not to love about 10 extra hp & 8% better highway FE?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    18.6% more (@280) # ft of torque, 35.7% more (@190) hp and better mpg !!! Perhaps this might account for the GTD delay ? Why pay more for the zouping, when it will show up anyway in the main line 15 models? I am glad for NO replacement timing belts !!!! So (defacto) they hopefully found another way to get the ultra precision operation without the liability of 100,000 to 120,000 miles (T/B) replacement cycles.

    Most likely the 2.0 L for US markets.

    Again, just to show the greater audience, (you probably know this) , WE are not getting the so called full monte. :lemon: European and probably WW options are ALSO the 1.6 L EA 288. (one spin off is better mpg?) Another options: plug in electric debuted @ Geneva Auto Show mated to an EA288 TDI,( L size unknown) . This would blow out a Prius hybrid on almost ALL metrics !! WE, of course could NOT tolerate that ! ? I wonder what would be the mileage range for the plug in electrical portion? 280 miles on a Tesla is the outlier !?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I am indeed surprised that no JGC TDI owner has posted on this thread.... YET !?

    They probably would if they were being sold yet. When I went looking for them in April, the Jeep dealer said he would have one for test drives in June. I went in June and he said they may be able to order one for me in August, for delivery in 90 days. I would not expect to see any before November now. That is one reason I scratched them off my list. I want to make another trip back East in October. I will let someone else be first. I think the problem is the Italian company building the diesel engines is small and may be over loaded with orders. I also asked the dealer about discounts on their gas version Summit. Which will be offered with the diesel. He did not act like they were dealing. Well VW did deal and I am the happy owner of a Touareg TDI Lux. And you were instrumental in that process.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    Actually, I am glad the 13 VW T TDI Lux is meeting your real world expectations !! Got to love the ZERO down and ZERO percentage,... AFTER you made your best deal !!!!! ???? If I might add, you made a GREAT deal !
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    AFTER you made your best deal !!!!! ???? If I might add, you made a GREAT deal !

    I think I see today why they were so willing to discount the 2013 Touaregs. Last week there were no 2014 Touaregs listed on Cars.com. Today 33 show up. So clearing out the 2013s before the end of July makes sense. I am glad to oblige. I still cannot believe the $0/0% for 5 years. I don't have to make the first payment until September 15th. It pays to have good credit scores when these opportunities arise.
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    Which is the fastest diesel manual-shift vehicle available in USA for 2014? 0-65, 40-80 , would be some of the places where fast could be measured. 0-40 too. 50-100 acceleration time would be interesting too.

    Expanding to automatic, same question.

    Please use fastest or torquiest or some metric like that. skidpad too (hello Cayenne TDI).

    Thank you.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited August 2013
    The emotional scarring of driving a Prius for a long distance is worth a lot more than 25K

    As you know, I'm interested in the Prius V and you may not be too far off the mark. Not emotional so much but I've read a few disconcerting reports that the seats are uncomfortable after a couple of three hours. Enough complaints have come in that I've also read that Toyota is reworking them (if you can believe some net reports).

    The van has gotten a couple of 25mpg tanks lately and the seats are great, so I'm hoping to get another 10 or 20k out of it.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    edited August 2013
    Malibu: The base engine is a new direct-injected 2.5-liter mill that produces 196 horsepower and 186 lb-ft of torque, both of which are strong figures for the segment. Fuel economy is rated at a middling 23 mpg in the city and 35 mpg on the highway.

    Hmmm...35 plus 30% is 45.5 mpg. 140 HP Passat is only 40 hwy, with an auto transmission. The 2.0 liter Passat in a lighter car is not quite even 15% more mpgs on the hwy. More like 14.3%. Funny how the $4 diesel vs $3.50 RUG prices exactly cancels out all the mpg savings?

    No wonder the numbers don't get touted.

    SUVs...we won't even go there. A 140 HP diesel pushing a Toureg?

    Real life numbers? I bested my cars hwy rating by 20% on my last trip, so don't go claiming VW has that corner to itself either.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    My friend with the Prius C can confirm that - his little car might not have the same seats as the big V, but he hates them - he can only go a few hours at a time. He claims even his doctor says the seats are causing him pain. He drives over the mountains on longish trips once or twice a month too - not ideal for that car.

    I'll be going on a road trip next week, maybe 1000 miles - I hope to have around an indicated 40mpg average, at least on highway stretches. You've cared for the van, it could last much longer than 20K. But at its age, you never know - might last 10 more days, might last 10 more years.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The Chevron I patronize has a 16 cent spread between RUG and diesel. To be relevant, diesel is 6 cents cheaper there per gallon than PUG (weird spread, diesel has crept up several cents there vs gasoline), which is what a MB would take anyway. So for my car, I get cheaper fuel and maybe 20% better mileage. Not a huge financial impact, but it is fun to think about.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    www.fueleconomy.gov lists 13 Malibu @ 25.1 mpg, (13 Malibu 2.0 TURBO @ MINUS - 3 mpg less) 13 Passat TDI 42.1 mpg.

    $3.91RUG = $.156 cents per mile driven /$4.11 D2 = $ .0996 cents per mile driven. Yes $4.11 D2 IS $ .20 cents more than $3.91 RUG. Funny how you think .0996 cents per mile driven is the same as $.156 cents, even as it is 57% more! . It is interesting you also think that 25.1 mpg is the same as 42.1 mpg even as 42.1 mpg is 68% BETTER.

    So for example, if you keep your car 100,000 miles you will pay a min of 15600 vs 9960 or 5640 more per 100k miles.

    I have NOTHING against your choice of Malibu. or 2 gasser options. BUT.... if I were to get a Malibu I would as a minimum want the TDI option or 2 TDI options. :surprise:

    Are you running for Congress? ;)
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    If you are seriously trying to see if a diesel is worth its weight ($) (occassional price/gal premium included) then you need to first embrace that EPA as an agenda against diesel purchases. Let your political conspiracies prevail here unabashedly, cuz if you do, they will serve you inaccurately if you drink the kool-aid they are serving up. But on the other hand, if you are open minded in discovering the real truth with mpg expectations, then I strongly suggest you try (rent) a diesel and see the results for yourself. Don't go easy on it...take the entire family loaded, and better still, hook a trailer to your vehicle of choosing. Don't baby it. Head for the mountains, run it 75 mph+. Make sure the trailer you choose has a gross weight of at least 3000lb. Because of the fairly apparent skepticism you portray, I think these parameters have to be met fairly closely in order for you to actually believe the real world capabilities (and FE expectations) and then report back to us here with what I predict to be a much less skeptical frame of mind. Diesels deliver doing work. Doing work include other basic real world encounters...go ahead and be heavy footed...watch for tickets tho of course...sit in stop and go traffic for 100 minutes just crawling along with the A/C blasting. Go ahead and plant the throttle at times so that you grab that lane that appears to be moving better than the one you're in...like I say, do anything but go out of your way to try to get good mileage...and come back convinced, that sometimes solutions are out there and more available to you than even you thought.

    As an aside...your gas job SC uses engine supplied power to work. It is an unadulterated tax on the engine at the crank just as blatant as an A/C compressor is. A turbo charger OTOH, uses exhaust gases to spool. Some would consider this free spooling. And in a diesel which operates so much more efficiently than a gas job with that same turbo, less heat is created (heat {and improper use}being the enemy to turbo longevity. Once again, the oil burner, when turbo'd, asks less off these stressful conditions and while doing so, delivers/exploits every good thing that a diesel has to offer.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited August 2013
    Heh, going 9 and 10,000 miles between oil changes and letting the timing belt break on me instead of doing preventative maintenance. Yeah, I'm a whiz at keeping my cars in prime condition. :shades:

    I do keep an eye on the brakes and good tires.

    Did I mention the idiot pickup trailer puller who got in around 9 last night in the campground in Madison and idled for 15 minutes checking out the sites? Yep, a noisy as Hades diesel job.

    Fifteen minutes later a sedan cruised in with barely a peep. Of course he lit up our camp from 500' away idling in a spot with his headlights on. Inconsiderate campers of all stripes.

    Guess the big diesel pushers don't bother me. Never see them move and they all seem to have CR-V for toads.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Whaatever your findings turn out to be, alias....I urge you to taker that same scenario, then hook a fully loaded trailer to the diesel doing these acceleration combos. While you're at it, fill the vehicle with people..family friends etc..Tell them you're doing a test so the heavier crowd are actually more instrumental in helping you with your test than the light-weights. Make sure your trlr has a decent load on it. Anyone have a piano they need moving? But what about all those clay statues that the DIL wants moved 3 states...load those too. Make that diesel work. Give every opportunity there is to go easy on the gas job comparo vehicle...I will load forward to seeing the numbers as you blow them away with acceleration and FE to boot. Let's make an entire family and friend reunion a bunch of diesel converts..It'll be a great day all the way around...

    You'll come back and be trading your 1.4 gas turbo for the oil burner Cruze...
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited August 2013
    Stever, you are such a lightweight ! VW 507.00 specification oil 5w30 has to pass tests @ 30,000 miles/50,000 kms. Otherwise, it can NOT be certified as VW 307.00 specification oil !!! !! Oil filters are designed to last a minium of 30,000 miles/50,000 kms! The 10,000 miles OCI's are meant to keep the VW dealers financially INTERESTED. Tires and brakes are variable depending on ones environmental conditions and how one habitually likes to drive.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I know - I've seriously thought about just changing the filter every 10k and topping up the SuperTech oil as needed. :shades:
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I use SuperTech oil filters (paid $2.11 each) on the 04 Honda Civic and do 20,000 miles (Mobil One 5w20/0W30) The last time I had the T/B water pump and valves adjusted, the ace mechanic was absolutely gaga on how clean the innards were !! He also said that he could see original tool markings.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I had a mechanic tell me something like that umpteen years ago on a family car. It got totaled a few weeks later.

    Drive carefully out there. :)
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