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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Kind of would be nice to have a split personality miser/sleeper.
The limiting factors are really NOT diesel, i.e., We can look at the new MB GLK 250 2.0 L TTDI with 369# ft of torque ! It is more a question of what A/T M/T VW can cost effectively mate to it.
Given the multiple models on a single platform, I think that may be a tad difficult. (bean counters being in charge)
Again if I was starting fresh, 56% more torque would be pretty amazing.
Until some other automaker offers competition, they don't need the lower profit vehicles to sell diesels.
Diesels tend to be packaged with premium content. VW even uses the multi-link rear suspension from the GTI models rather than the cheap torsion beams from the cost-cut base Jetta.
Insight and Prius C can peek in at just under $20k, imagine a Golf Bluemotion priced like that. Just the basic stuff, A/C and single CD player. They would sell tons. Heck I'd try one.
627 lb-ft is adequate.
28mpg, too.
I'd rather have that in a Q7 package, though. Still not used to the idea of Porsche making SUVs.
108hp. Won't be quick but torque will keep people behind you from honking.
Indeed using the same ratios as the current 1.9 L TDI 90/155 # ft, 108 hp converts to 186# ft, or 20% more ft #'s of torque.
Well used, just the replacement tires, brake pads and rotors will keep your tire shops and mechanics in business !
Folks on CUV boards already complain of tires lasting only 15,000 to 25,000 miles with far less torquey engines, albeit @ 1000 to 1,300 per set. Non ceramic brake pads and rotors and ancillary pieces, easily run 700 (parts only @ discount).
Where's the *#@%ing Forester diesel? :mad: Subaru may need it in this MPG obsessed segment. Current model is rated 21/27. Same numbers from 1998. They used the lead the segment, but they fell behind.
New one is around the corner. Good time for a new powertrain intro.
2010 quote by the top executive at Subaru of America.
Doesn't seem like anything has changed.
Any word about the reliability? They've had the diesel boxer for at least 5 years, right?
Subaru Riding Positive Press (Ward's Auto)
Tall Cotton @ US market share of 2.3%?
So (swagging a lot of things that may or may not be true) if Subaru brings in a in the future) 322,000 cars (2.3% of market share,9.5 M to 14 M yearly), what percentage of diesels are they will to gamble will sell and sell enthusiastically? So say they want to be as aggressive as a much LARGER VW and decide on 20% or 64,400 cars? Longer story short, not much has probably changed for Subaru since the pronouncement in 2010. Of course everyone knows that Subaru's biggest advantage is that it actually has been selling diesels on the world wide market and for more than a few years.
So really if any one needs a Kball study, it would b Subaru. Whatever % of diesel Subaru's, they can not afford to k ball even a small % of gasser Subaru sales. This would logically mean new customer or second vehicle sales.
On the other hand VW knew/knows it had/has to sell (in addition to ITS past customer base) to new and second vehicle customers. The then new decontented Jetta was one iteration, and one of the first steps. It caused serious bru ha ha in the "cult"
A lot of the guys in the Subaru Crew threads pine for a diesel. It fits with the image of the brand, too. I bet a bunch would even use biodiesel blends.
I think the Forester and Outback would match up well with diesels, and those happen to be their 2 volume sellers here.
It is sort of like the Chicago Cubs, well, there is ALWAYS next year !! Going on 104 years and already one world series win !
A diesel as base and then a 2l Turbo XT would make for a good lineup.
I think they'll use the FB25 from the Legacy, though. Short-term.
Oops... going way off topic here. Still, my preference is to nix the gasoline option (make the Outback the platform for intro of new tech there) and go diesel in the Forester with either a 6-speed MT (throughout the lineup) or a CVT as the tranny options.
Since I'm dreaming, how about bringing the dual range transfer case from the Aussie spec Forester over as an option? :shades:
None of the FBs are DI, though. Toyota massaged it and they ended up with the FA, but they don't have larger displacements yet, and I'm not sure a high rev engine with little torque would be suitable for the Forester.
That's why a diesel may be a better choice.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/2013-audi-sq5-paris-2012/
This is the first in what I predict will be an onslaught of performance diesels.
Spots-oriented. Is that age spots, freckles, or what? I'm not sure what sort of demographic Audi is after, here. :P
The question I have is when we will see some of them in the US and will they sell well enough to achieve a profitable market share here. IMO, they can completely replace vehicles like the ML63 and BMW X5M with high performance diesels. But those are not big sellers to begin with. What really needs to happen is that almost all SUV's need to go to "performance" diesels. That performance can be tuned for solid acceleration and great fuel efficiency at the entry and utility, or great acceleration and very good fuel efficiency at the high performance level.
I am all for a free revving 8,000 rpm high horsepower, lower torque engine in a 2,900 lb sports car. But a gas sucking V8 in a 5,000+ lb SUV is becoming complete dinosaur IMO given the direction and progress of diesel technology. And if BMW, Porsche and Audi have their way, it may become a dinosaur in the arger end of the 3,800- 4,000+ lb luxury sport sedan segment as well.
I totally agree with you. My taste goes more toward the lower performance SUV with higher MPG. I would love to own a ML250 Bluetec that is capable of 40 MPG on the highway. It has almost 100 ft-lbs more torque than the V6 gas version ML. I am more of a get out on the backroads and highway driver and cruise at 70 MPH to my destination. My Sequoia on the best RUG will only get about 17.5 MPG on the highway. The ML250 Bluetec is HWY rated 50.4 MPG on the UK tests. That is 42 MPG US. In a 5000 lb vehicle that is tow rated for 7200 lbs, what else comes close. And it is cheaper than the V6 gasser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5tmUtAFQA