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But like you, I do like European diesel cars!
Speaking of VW diesel-gate, the necessary documentation was uploaded for VW A to process.
If there are no changes, VW will make a $20,000 car cost $12,600 (-$7,400 = $5,100+$1,00+ $1,300) & Roadside Assist, 3 yrs. While I expect app $5,000, the residual value remains to be seen.
What will VW do with the VW Touareg TDI?
" Treating your car to a higher octane fuel is a waste of money "
This has to be one of the most scandalous things about midgrade to PUG boiled down to its essence!! I wonder why the 10% ethanol dilution of all RUG, MGUG, PUG vehicles is not covered as a waste of money!? This too remains uncovered in plain sight.
Using 274.8 M , 2014 PVF, 16% premium= 43.968 M , 14% mid grade=38.472 M
In my mind & experience ULSD 2 to 5% is way underrated to vilified. ( 5.496 M to 13.74 M)
Here's one guy who didn't catch the VW diesel gate till LONG after! https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-chris-grundler-epa/?ref=yfp
Meanwhile..." By late 2008, increasingly dismal sales led Chrysler to seek federal funds to the tune of $4 billion to stay afloat. Under pressure from the Obama administration, the company filed for bankruptcy protection in April 2009 and will enter into a planned partnership with the Italian automaker Fiat." ...http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/daimler-benz-announces-purchase-of-chrysler-corp
Fiat-Chysler then solidified 7th place from one of the big three (Ford's in 5th place) $ 5 B is a lot of money (& time) to be behind the proverbial 8 ball, on the way to 2025 standards. IF FIAT saw or knew the $ 5 B hit was coming, shame on them. They deserve another bankruptcy. If it was deliberately hidden, its more like fraud. My guess as a number five automaker it's probably still "too big to fail". I'll bet MB now knows they dodged a HUGE hanging dagger!
http://www.motor1.com/news/1134/mercedes-benz-admits-to-chrysler-merger-mistake/
Old history still has us talking about the BIG THREE auto makers, like it is still around. The truth is it's been only two, & for quite awhile. In terms of the world it's barely one!
VW is # one for auto/car manufacturing!!! It's 8.1% better than Toyota cars! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry
It's 37.5% ahead of GM cars.
VW is launching the Golf Alltrack all-wheel drive station wagon, to compete against the extremely successful Subaru Outback.
Subaru Outback sold 152,294 units in the U.S. market in 2015, and is up another 17.3% thus far in 2016.
I review both cars and conclude that the VW Golf Alltrack is a much better car to drive, than the Subaru Outback.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4008236-volkswagen-stage-comeback-going-subaru
So for example, under the old models: taxicabs went 70,000 miles per year to make a semblance of economic sense. The real question: what makes companies like Uber and Lyft etc., them want to pursue ?
CAF3 sez only one to 3% needs to be electric by 2025 !
http://www.hybridcars.com/CAFE-rules-1-3-percent-cars-need-to-be-electric/-2025
Just my two cents: with TDI's @ 2 to 5% of the passenger vehicle fleet, this is totally bullish for TDI's. .
IF all the NYC eco whiners ONLY took gas hybrids or EV,'s taxi's, how long do you think a "market conversion" would take? Why does NYC have to force NYC taxi companies to mandatory gas hybrids, EV percentages? ?
To wit, London taxis have been, are almost all diesels and manuel shifts. Indeed, diesels and manual shifts new taxis are the (market) rule and not the exception. This has been posted on this thread in the past. Again the economies are a very high bar at an average of 70,000 miles per year for a London taxi!
Diesels' viability will continue FARinto the future, dare I say for as long as crude oil is refined. A barrel of crude oil yields 19 gallons of RUG & approximately 12 gallons of diesel fuels. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=327&t=9 There are of course a myriad of reasons besides this.
To wit, as the 54.5 mpg (aka, low 40's mpg) 2025 mandate draws closer, more oems are bringing diesels to the market! Yet, the CAFE 2025 time frame only calls for 1 to 3 % of ONLY YEARLY EV sales to boot! !!!???
So this is way bullish for diesels, which are 2 to 5% of the US passenger vehicle fleet
Correction to above post: CAF3 should be CARB.
Pretty interesting take. The US DOJ wanted an agreed-upon settlement before the next administration !? The host is trying to milk the virus without trying to kill it!?
Meanwhile our northern border avoids GM disaster? http://www.investopedia.com/news/general-motors-avoids-disaster-gm/?partner=YahooSA&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp
Another take? Is this to push GM ahead of VW? (aka. It's not just $14.7 B ? )
The same union that owns a large stake & board membership in GM is trying to milk FIAT/Chysler? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/marchionne-won-t-attend-paris-auto-show-this-year-company-says?cmpid=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo
Meanwhile, Wells Fargo Bank (market cap 227.9
VW has almost never been about large cars, PU trucks, large SVV's. When I bought the 1970 VW Beetle in 1971 a 47 year old car 45 years ago, there were very few smaller American cars. So I don't see them jumping in to any of those markets with any kind of vigor?
The latest in lemming diesel gate noos? So if the net effect are no more VW diesels, why on earth would VW settle for such a high amount? http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2016/0927/Volkswagen-dieselgate-one-year-later-What-have-we-learned?ref=yfp
I'm sure it's just a coincidence GM is now just stepping up into the "old" diesel shoes!
Forbes has picked up on this !
But the answer is far easier than the article suggests. Assuming they pay $14.7 billion in (US) fines, I've read articles that VW makes about $650 USD per yr, per car.: so, how many cars does VW have to sell to match $14.7 B in US fines? Assuming 350,00 US market cars per year, how many years to match US market fines?
Those $14.7B so far aren't the DOJ fines, and they are 'sunk costs', they can't avoid them, so leaving wouldn't save them those costs. As for the DOJ fines, I bet they'll be small enough to not cause them to leave.
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/titan-xd/2016/long-term-road-test/2016-nissan-titan-xd-the-diesel-v8s-fuel-economy-so-far.html
GM bankruptcy proceedings shows a reduction of $$'s to cents on the $. Or maybe the GM bankruptcy reduction ratios are incorporated into the batter anticipated by the cake baking.? It seems like the DOJ is trying to find a good extortion figure ! ?
The DOJ fines have nothing to do with the $14.7B in costs to date.
This article is probably not related Tesla @ 200,000 miles in 1 year. Too bad there was no diesel doing the same mileage! https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/29/tales-from-a-tesla-model-s-at-200k-miles/?ref=yfp
Plus, they've already agreed to the settlement. I'd worry more about the tomatoes.
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Chicago Tribunes' look @ VW's "diesel-gate".
I don't see how his criticisms of the Prime are any different than would apply to the Volt.
By inference, diesel (12 gals) / gasoline (19 gals) ( per 42 gal barrel of crude oil) products are a GROWTH segment! They are not going away any time soon!
TMI: they can't even do an autos electric solar powered A/C ! ?
But wait,... build Skoda's in the UShttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/vws-skoda-ponder-u-production-amid-market-push-234000524--finance.html!
"Honda’s UK boss Phil Crossman was even more upfront about where diesel will be in years to come. At the Paris show, he told me that “the end-game is the fuel cell, I’m sure about that. A small petrol turbo leads into more hybrid cars, which leads into more electric cars, which leads into FCV. I’m not sure where diesel goes in that. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in 10 years diesel is a niche engine choice in Europe.”
“Diesel is set to fade away and I’d be pleased to see it go” (autoexpress.co.uk)
Funny opinion piece, I wouldn't expect anything less out of limeyland.
Honda has been plugging their FCV for almost 10 years. And it is still just an experiment for a few fat cats that are tied to the hydrogen infrastructure. They leased a few of them in 2008 here in CA. No follow up. So I assume they were pulled back to Japan. Now they have a $65,000 model due out next year. Should be a real mover. 300 miles and you are trying to find a place that can charge your hydrogen tank. People worry about finding a station selling diesel. It was Pie in the Sky when Ahnold converted one of his Hummers and it is still the PITS.
Honda says the production car will offer a cruising range of more than 435 miles, but that’s for the Japanese market, which has a different test cycle than we do. For us, it will be closer to the 300 miles that Honda was talking at the time of the FCV Concept.
Has Toyota beat Honda again?
https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html
http://cincinnatizoo.org/blog/2011/05/09/largest-publicly-accessible-urban-solar-array/
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$ 1.2 B American VW car dealerships settlement?
As has been said in a variety of ways, gasoline and diesel are inexorably linked. 42 gal barrel, 19 gals gasoline/12 gal ULSD. The killer (refinery, holy grail) app would be only one or the other from a barrel of oil .
Don't tease me! Notice NO word on fuel mileage!?
..."Sounds great! ( great for a gasoline engine for sure!)
Hang on, we don't know about the sound yet. What's for sure though is that the soundtrack provided by most direct injection 2.0 turbos is nothing to write home about.
Either way, what is really important to point out about the Infiniti VC-T is that it's not that powerful to begin with, and it won't be any more efficient than a diesel, which kind of defeats the whole purpose. Infiniti claims 268 horsepower and 288 lb.-ft. of torque, not bad from two liters, but the hard fact is this: Nissan chose this solution mostly because it's the only one they can produce in large quantities at a relatively low cost."...https://www.yahoo.com/news/infinitis-variable-compression-gasoline-engine-151224509.html
While there is no documentation on later model TDI's, running @ 2,100-2,200 rpm seems to be a systems & mpg sweet spots. I, however have no explanation for the running @ 90 to 95 mph?
I'm glad you are having happy TDI motoring experiences !
It will be interesting to see what VW will come up with on "diesel- gate.
On affected muiltiple year 2.0 L TDI's, one has until Sep 2018 to decide between two options, assuming EPA/CARB's & court approvals. There are still no indications if any to all "off the shelf" or custom software versions & multiple emissions systems &/or modifications can solve the issues & be approved. The "KEEP" option has to have good chances of surviving beyond OEM 120,000 miles warranty's. Then, there are the logistics of up to 475,000 units: of which whom knows how many are in what batches. To even entertain the idea/assumption that there will be no recalls after the initial recall for emissions corrections is a fools' errand, at its most PC.
So even going on 13 months, all I really KNOW:
1. VW Road Assist 3 years with a tad under 2 years remaining
2. Goodwill of $1,000 : $500 debit card & $500 dealer only
On the "keep" option, not even VW has any clue when the (my) $5,100 emissions monies will be released. Assuming I receive it, @ $2.36 per gal ULSD (on VW's dime) 40 mpg, that will buy 86,441 miles, commuting. (5.76 years) Emissions commencements & logistics are mysteries. They have also not a clue when buy backs will commence.
Right now, I tend to lean (LEFT
The HUGE $64,000 question: will the (unknown # of ) buybacks BE retrofitted??!! In projected theory & practice & law, a retrofitted affected TDI is street legal & resaleable under EPA/CARB regulations & title laws. Keep in mind governments lose tax monies if a vehicle is prohibited from being resold or retitled.
1. The original lie that it was "clean diesel", when they knew it was no such thing. But we could have gotten past that.
2. The 2014 "performance" update, where they lied about why they were updating the car - it was not for performance, it was because when the EPA scheme was in place, it damaged the emissions systems and they had to be repaired under warranty - and VW didn't want to spend the money.
3. Most important, due to item 2, we are unsure of the result of any fix. They will probably beef up the exhaust systems, but who knows. The fact that when the diesels run "clean", they are hard on emissions brings up all kinds of fears that the repairs won't be good for the engine or exhaust systems. The Germans tend to design all phases of their automotive systems to work together. Here we have a case of them having to modify a system to be different than originally designed. Without knowing exactly what and how they are planning to do this, we just are not willing to chance it. My wife drives cars a LONG time, and (lacking information to the contrary) we have poor confidence in the longevity after a fix.
Item 3 is a deal breaker.
Too bad. This is the best car she has ever had, and she loves it - but she is adamant about turning it in now that we know everything.
PS
I had 4 cups of coffee, from 5 am, till we left at 7am.
U.S. said to ponder what size diesel penalty VW can stand (expressnews.com)
"The Japanese car maker made its decision “within the last six to 12 months” not to fit a diesel engine to the C-HR, because it believed that demand for diesel engines had fallen off, or so suggested Toyota France executive vice president, Didier Leroy who spoke with Reuters."
Toyota Hints At A Phase-out Of Diesel Cars (practicalmotoring.com)
Now, (we) in US markets will be not able to do (Japanese/European) TDI competitive tests: for there are no Toyota competitive diesels, i.e., Corolla vs Golf, Camry vs Passat, Touareg vs Highlander/MDX, etc.
Given the politicalization of many arms of the US government, I would not put it past politicized government agencies (i.e., EPA/CARB) for seemingly turning "innocent" blind eyes & more importantly CLAWS to the TDI testing they SHOULD HAVE been doing, to create a (false) diesel crisis: to fulfill the political agendas of advancing GM, get rid of US market European diesels, etc.
To state the obvious, EPA/CARB has never called for gasoline dismantling due to an oems gas emissions-gate.
It could not NOW be a coincidence that GM is entering US diesel markets.
I'm guessing the "big three" WORLD CAR competition (1.VW 2. Toyota 3. GM) is very serious!?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry
I did (for a brief week or so) have skin in the VW game. I currently do have VW, Toyota and GM vehicles. Indeed I've had more GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota vehicles than German vehicles & German diesels.
I don't know if diesel passenger cars exist in Asia. I have a friend from HK who goes back yearly, and tells me he sees no diesel cars on the road there. Never heard of them being a thing in Japan either.
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