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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,298
    Why would he think he could cheat me like this?

    Because you're too nice of a girl, and he's an [non-permissible content removed].

    You should have confirmed the price of the car the first thing upon your return. When he said $10,999 and your car, you should have kneed him in the groin. Other than that you did the right thing in walking away... never to return.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    The top selling Honda dealer in my state is one price. Has been since the mid 90's. His employee turnover is almost zero. top 1% CSI nationwide. Nobody is even close to his sales volume. The nearest competitor does big volume & uses screaming ads and sleazy tactics but never out sells the one price store. . Oddly enough they are always 1 & 2 in the state for Honda sales.

    The one price store runs a 30 minute infomercial on cable tv discussing the sales process and why they do it. Lots of testimonials from current customers.

    Like you, I used to be anti one price but if done properly with the right product it can work. It requires 100% dedication. They will walk a customer over $10. Most dealers don't have the intestinal fortitude or vision to get it off the ground and make it work.

    younger buyers in general find it alot easier and without sounding sexist...Women love it...
  • mattandimattandi Member Posts: 588
    The top selling Honda dealer in my state is one price.

    What is the name of the dealership?
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Wow, the salesguy and the dealership is really shady.

    He lowballs anyone that walks onto the lot, hoping they'll forget the price. In fact if he's doing that to 10 people a day, he himself forgets what price he gives out, creating the predicament he puts himself in.

    Then he tried to bump you by selling you the car at full sticker. And make you trade in your van. Nobody HAS TO trade in a anything if they don't want to. It just goes to show that he doesn't listen to his customers very well.

    As for the multiple credit checks, I think they were in fact checking to see if you went elsewhere to buy the car. This doesn't speak highly of the dealership itself, as salespeople usually don't pull credit reports, only managers and finance office do.

    I'd file a complaint with the BBB, and places that others suggested. I'd also call the salesman and find out why the credit was pulled so many times.

    Good luck and good for you for not caving in and giving them the business. Places like that make everyone else look bad.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    A real slimeball store to be sure. There are places that operate like that and you were wise to leave.

    I've never heard of running multiple credit checks and I would pursue this.

    As a freindly bit of advise, if you break a long post into paragraphs it makes them a whole lot easier to read!

    Glad it worked out in the end!
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,222
    "...men do this all the time & I am pretty tired of it..."

    Hold on there, men AND WOMEN salesfolk do things like this to BOTH men and women. You got played by the "It's yesterday's price" scam where they hit you with a higher price when you return because they think they've got you. I've had that tried on me too and I'm a very manly man (or so I tell myself).

    You were both wise and lucky to get away from that dealership. Can you imagine what the car would have been like if that was how they had to sell it?

    As to the multiple credit checks, I would get a lawyer and sue the bastards. Messing up your credit is akin to defaming your character. If they went around town calling you a deadbeat you would have a cause of action, why not when they do it in the credit bureaus? :mad:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    This is unreal. I cannot believe that someone is trying to sell cars in this manner.

    Definitely bring it up and I would confront the dealer as well with lawyers in tow. Unbelievably dirty dealership.

    Please post the name of the dealership and the salesperson. That should be some good press for them. They deserve it.
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Wow. I'm glad you walked away. I would do two things in addition to what's been suggested.

    A) Fill out a free initial security alert on your credit. This means that for 90 days nobody can open any accounts without approval from you. It won't prevent any credit inquiries, but it'll give you a bit more protection if the dealership retaliates for whatever reason. The link over at Experian is http://tinyurl.com/59ch8

    B) Contact your local tv newstation. Nothing like bad publicity in this climate!!!

    Good luck. Let us know what happens.

    Angel
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    Yeah, probably should have said the price again, but to tell you the truth I probably talk to 30-40 customers daily and if they came and saw me or even called me within 24 hrs., I would not only know their name, but all my notes would be right there in my notebook. Funny, 16 yrs. ago when I bought my van, I had a wonderful salesperson who really took great care of me. I drove that car for 9 yrs. in Michigan and when I moved to Florida, it was terrible to leave that wonderful man. If I still lived in Michigan, I would have bought another car from him. To him, I was his best customer.....and he had a million like me, but I was still very special. He would come running across the parking lot and give me a hug and drag me into his office for a coffee and to find out if I was still dating the same guy. He taught me all about cars, like changing oil, air filters, tires, batteries.....he was a super guy and he never let me forget that he would do anything to make me happy. There were many things I could have received through the friendship but I never asked for anything. Heck, I never had to....I sure wish I still lived in Michigan, but of course, not for the weather. Thanks for your comments. :blush:
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    Holey smokes! I would have never thought anyone would go that far. "POISON", Geeezzzzzz. I did go tonight to the Equifax website and did a bunch of reading.
    Today I also pulled my credit reports. My Equifax shows the following:

    March 15, 2008 - This was the day I was there when they pulled my credit. After this day, I never saw him, never returned his phone calls, never went back over there, BUT...

    Two days later when I did not return his calls or go over there, here's the dates they did an Inquiry on my credit report:

    March 17 - he ran my credit through 8 different companies

    March 29 - he ran my credit through 7 different companies & some are the
    very same companies he ran them through on March 17th

    March 30 - he ran my credit through a company where he had already run it through on March 17th

    So it was 20 inquiries with a total of 16 different finance companies.

    Add that to the credit that was pulled for where I did buy my car.

    Well, you guys have given me alot to think about...I really appreciate your guidance. I AM going to do something about this...
    also did some research
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    Thank you...you are so right. I am so glad I left. I wasn't nasty or anything. When he started calling me back, I just didn't respond. I have thought about the suggestion to give him a kick in the groin, but I am a lady. Instead, I will simply place his business card in my office on the bulletin board people see when they come in for a consult. My bulletin board is called "The Wall of Shame". Anyone who treats me in a bad way gets to have a whole month devoted to having their business card hanging there. No real explanation....it just says, "I recently had some business dealings with this person. It was not a good experience. I will not go back and I will not refer any of my insurance clients here." My new clients moving to Florida who want to know where to buy a car, who is the best plumber, who should they call for a fair deal on a boat, etc. He has made a mistake for sure, and even though I do believe as I gather all this info together and I will do what I can legally. BUT...his biggest mistake was not realizing that little ol' me had 3,000 insurance clients who always want to know who I do business with. He could have sold a ton of cars if all he did was treat me well. My friend used to say you never know who you are talking to .... and he sure didn't....
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    The old "Bias ply" constructed tires of yester-year would get flat spots while sitting at night. The first mile or two in the morning was a rough ride until they "warmed up".

    I personally have never heard of a modern day radial flat spotting unless you made a panic stop from high speed travel (assuming no ABS brakes) and skidding to a stop. That would "flat spot" tires.
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    Oh good idea. BBB - yes, I forgot all about that as I am kind of my own little self contained BBB at my office. Yes, I will do that.

    And yeah when he started this crap about I HAD TO give him my car and I could NOT sell it myself, I remember this flash in my brain thinking.....how stupid you are to sit here and look me in the eye and tell this crap?! I mean - who would fall for that?? Maybe someone, I guess, but for me the math just didn't work. What a jerk.
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    Oh, Geeezzzzz, so sorry about that UN-paragraph. I was so mad when I was typing that because I just had found out....of course, you are right. I think I was in the middle of hyperventilating! :mad: but feeling better..... :)
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    RE: "...men do this all the time & I am pretty tired of it..." I have worked in 3 different careers, all male dominated, and believe me, being the first woman in each one of those environments, it does get tiresome....but you are right, in that I should not generalize this way and I am sorry if I offended someone. I have to say, I have never had a woman treat me like this....and I have spent plenty of money on houses, furnishings, summer cottage, etc. but it is just a character issue, a failure of ethics, and of course, this is a nationwide problem in people, not just men. Glad to here I am not alone, and that even a "very manly man" has had things like this happen. :blush:
  • sunsetssunsets Member Posts: 10
    I think at this point, I will keep the name of the dealer & salesperson to myself, but I will pursue the legal end of it. I will see what is in the package the Federal Trade Commission is sending me for a formal written complaint. But....if I do win this, you can be it will certainly be posted here. :blush:
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    can't post names in the Forums anyway... HOWEVER, we would love it if you'd post a dealership review here:
    http://www.edmunds.com/dealerships/drr/jump.html

    You don't have to give explicit details, but others should know to avoid this dealership, at least for sales!

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  • greanpea68greanpea68 Member Posts: 1,996
    Well, you guys have given me alot to think about...I really appreciate your guidance. I AM going to do something about this...
    also did some research


    I can only imagine that you signed a privacy notice and a credit app that gave this dealer permission to run your credit.

    As for them running it through several banks doesn't surprise me at all. They are shopping bank rates. Every dealer does it. the point is "when they " do it... It doesn't sound like you were very commited to the deal so best practice would have been not to do it.

    GP
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Every dealer does it. the point is "when they " do it...

    GP…I’m surprised at you.

    The point is, how often the dealer did this dirty deed. Waaay excessive to find a good rate for a customer as far as I’m concerned.

    Are you on the “sauce” again? :confuse:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    When a dealer pulls a bureau, and then sends it to 6 banks for besty rate, who pull the bureau again, that will result in 7 hits.

    It's ok to do it when the customer agrees to it, BUT they had no reason of doing it again and again even 2-3 weeks after she was there, especially when she had no contact with them, no deposit, and no signed deal.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • greanpea68greanpea68 Member Posts: 1,996
    Are you on the “sauce” again?

    Well that is a good question.... right now the answer is yes.... Weddings and Funerals... And I had a couple of those recently.

    There are some questions and things that don't add up.... correct me if I am wrong, the OP went to a dealer, got lowballed the day before :mad: , came back the next day asked for the kid and he went up on price $3,000.

    Now I am assuming she gave the dealer permission to run her credit. She would have had to sign a credit app AND privacy notice. We need those two forms on file to be in compliance. Now whether she was paying cash or financing I don't actually remember. But I think she mentioned her credit union.

    For the record I don't think they should have ran her credit unless they had a commitimnet from the OP to buy or if she mentioned she had was credit challenged.

    Don't know if that is the case or not.

    Now for what I said earlier about running it too banks.

    If someone has solid credit we know which bank we are going to go through and only need to submit it that bank. If someone is a little credit challenged, after we have a comittment from the customer we shop around different banks. All I am suggesting is the sales kid ran it 1 day... for what ever reason (I do remember the OP's reason) lets just say management thought they had a deal and the deal goes to the finance department. Two 2 days later the finance department is sending it to banks to see where they can get the best rate.

    In the mean time she went some where else and bought a toyota... doesn't surprise me toyota buys everyone.

    I actually don't remember if it was a toyota and I am not trying to imply the OP is credit challenged I am only speaking of reasons why it would or could have happened.

    Bottom line I would say the original salesclown she dealt with blew the deal! ;)

    Also if they did send out her credit info to different banks they would have responded to her also with a letter in the mail. To be honest I am not sure if they send one if you are approved... but I do know they send one out if you are declined because I tell customers that will happen when we shop numerous banks like i listed above.

    I suggest the OP contact a attorney like other peole have suggested especialy if her score went down 80 points.

    Where ever you have been you can always return :shades:

    gP
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,222
    What is an "Open Title" and why is it a potential scam?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well an open title means that the seller signed the title over to the buyer but the buyer didn't fill in his part, and possibly intends to just pass the "open" title onto a new buyer.

    It's not a scam really. The person holding open title is probably a curbstoner, which is an individual who buys and sells used cars without a license.

    If you buy a car with a title signed by Mr. Jones, now being sold to you by Mr. Smith, who didn't sign it, then once you register it there is no record or paper trail whatsoever of Mr. Smith. He pays no reg, no sales tax, carries no license, no bonding, etc. and there is no evidence he even sold you the car.

    If Smith had signed the title he'd be obligated to re-title it in his name and pay sales tax (In CA at least) He's not under an obligation to register it.

    If Smith doesn't want to do that, then he should fill out papers for Duplicate Title and pass the original title, plus these papers, on to you. Then at least Smith is in the paper trail.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Floaters like to do this. They buy a car here in the States and then immediately ship it out of the country. I deal with this on a daily basis.

    That's where the 'scam' comes in. They don't pay taxes or register here in the States.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I think the curbstone laws have tightened recently but it still happens.

    A person should always ask the person selling a used car...

    " How long have you owned it"?

    I have done this and a curbstoner will usually come up with " I'm selling it for a friend"

    I once had a guy get upset.." What do you care" Why do you want to know?"

    If you call and say..." I'm calling about the car you have advertised" and they say "Which one?"

    You are probably dealing with a curbstomer.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,735
    'farm. good question!
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Doesn't that violate the New Car Manager Code of Ethics? :P
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    New Car Manager Code of Ethics? Talk about an oxymoron.

    Ducking and running

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,222
    Have any of the car folks heard of an ignition lock box being placed on cars purchased at BHPH dealers? Evidently if you don't make your weekly payment the dealer can disable your car until you do. Seems rather drastic but I guess if you assume that all your clients are deadbeats you might be forced to do it.

    Cheaper than a repo man? :confuse:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,004
    Actually, I think Mel Farr Ford in Dayton was doing this... before they went out of business..

    Here is an old link that mentions it..

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I read an ariticle about a immobilizer like that, which is remotely controlled and can disable the car.

    I also had somebody call me who came up with a similiar device and tried to sell me on it (we run some ads that cater to sub prime market). This guy's idea was mainly good for bhph lots, not a dealer like us that acts as an agent between the buyer and the bank.

    Anyways for bhph lots, this guy's idea was that when the payment was due, he had to drive in, pay, and get the electronic box activated for another month or so. If he's late on the payment, then the car would die I guess unless he makes a payment, and gets the box reactivated again by the dealer. It's not remote controlled though, it's some kind of manual electronic device.

    The remote control immobilizer opens the door for too much liability imo. If a driver is on the freeway and the car dies, or if he's making a left hand turn, or crossing the railroads tracks...... and the car gets disabled suddenly. Then what? Yo gonna risk someone's life cause they didn't make a car payment?

    Anyways I declined, and it's more hassle than it's worth for us. Besides, we rarely had to do any repos. The banks deal with that.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    The remote control immobilizer opens the door for too much liability imo.

    I would say that its a big liability even if it was something that was on a timer that gets reset each month (or whenever payment is due). Can you see this car on the highway or crossing a rail road crossing at midnight on the last day of the month when the payment hasn't been made? Or if the darn thing malfunctions and just turns the car off regardless of if he is late with his payment or not.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    The ones I have seen give the driver advance notice before disabling the starter. Still, I think you are right in that someone, somewhere will eventually ignore all the warnings...
  • vkjvkj Member Posts: 67
    we ordered an a3 back in july. the car just came in but i don't know if we are in a position to take delivery. does anyone know what are legal options are? can we back out of the transaction? we gave the dealership a credit card for a $1000 deposit but it was never processed. don't want to screw the salesman but not sure what we can do. thanks.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Talk with your dealer and explain your case. I'm sure it is a legitimate reason why you are not taking the vehicle.

    I assume the economy taking a turn has changed your mind?

    When one of our customers order a vehicle, we have them sign a paper that states their deposit is nonrefundable and will cover any costs that may arise if you do not take delivery. At most, you're out $1,000. They can't make you buy the vehicle though. You'll be fine.

    Talk to the dealer and be honest. They can't even hook you for the $1k because it has not been run.
  • vkjvkj Member Posts: 67
    need more space and so a more practical car.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,735
    there is at least one delivery in your future, no matter what. ;)
    congrats in advance, btw. :)
    when we were expecting our second, i talked my wife into letting us buy a mustang gt convertible (it's now or never). 17 years later, we still have it!
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Clever bugger.

    I had a Sebring convertible (not the same thing) that went by the boards when expansion beyond two kids put us in a van.

    This year I was nice to myself and picked up a 99 Celica convertible which covers the top down needs nicely.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Hello all, long time no talk.

    Quick question, what number do I call to bill the cars out to Edmunds at these prices they are willing to give fo trade ins, do they pick them up or do we ship them to them? :D

    I have tried to find the same info for KBB, and NADA but have had no luck.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    OH MY... Joel is alive!!!
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Hi Joel. There is no number. You have to push the "Buy It Now" button. Edmund's e-mails you the check. It's really simple. ;)
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Been busy as hell opening the new store and all. We had our Grand Opening last weekend and it went fantastic. This last week is the first time we have been slow since all this crap started with the economy and the market. I think if every one would ignoe the news for a two weeks we would be fine.

    I think it is funny how the headlines got off the Home Sales and onto the Market for a month and viola, home sales go up 5% last month.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Well they will be happy to know that all is well with you over in the Stories from the Sales Frontlines.
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Great to have you back Joel. It's good to hear that your store has been busy.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,735
    it's been a long time since june 11, great to see you back again.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Just blame the dealers for inflating the reports they send in :P
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    The figures must include all the negative equity they have to bury these days.
  • the_big_althe_big_al Member Posts: 1,079
    The last time I did this I ended up with a vehicle that was more trouble than it was worth. I have an uncle who runs a used car dealership. However everytime someone in our family needed a car they would call my uncle up and he would go to the auction and get a car. My grandparents always ended up with decent vehicle and my mom ended up with an Astro that lasted longer than any other vehicle we owned, although the Aerostar previous and the Jeep after were headaches. I also had a buddy go this same route, although he was able to check the vehicle out before he took delivery and it has worked out well for him.

    So it's a hit and miss proposition. If you are going to go this route, I would ask if you could tag a long to check out the vehicles your self. I wasn't able to go along and I ended up with something that wasn't what I thought it was going to be. It was exactly what I wanted (had ALL the options I wanted), but it needed lots of help to stay operational. ..
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    it's been a long time since june 11, great to see you back again.

    Ya we opened the new store on June 16. Some days it feels like it was just yesterday, others it feels like years have gone buy.

    Thank you all for the welcome back.
  • peetertpeetert Member Posts: 124
    Before I elevate this further up the chain I wanted to ask the people here their opinion. It relates to the '05 CPO Acura MDX that we bought 3 months ago.

    Friday afternoon my wife backed over something that fell off the shelf in out garage and punctured the front tire. When I got home I removed the tire and went to go get it plugged. the tire place would not plug the tire as there were already THREE plugs in the tire and as luck would have it, this puncture was about an inch from an existing plug. They also told me the maximum number of plugs per tire is TWO.

    Now, as stated above, this is a CPO vehicle. The tread on the tires was within CPO specs when we bought it, but just barely. However, shouldn't they have replaced a tire with THREE plugs? On the 150Pt inspection it states "Tires free of road hazzards" Can three plugs be considered a road hazzard? My wife called Saturday and spoke to either a salesperson or receptionist who told her that three plugs were ok and we were SOL. She didn't have alot of time to spend on the phone so she didn;t elevate it any further.

    Since we needed the car for today, I ended up replacing both front tires yesterday. I had the place check the other tires and they could not see any other plugs on the remaining tires. I kept the plugged tire to bring to the dealership should I pursue this.

    So, should I elevate this further?
    Thanks

    Peeter
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