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In 1977, I bought a brand new Corvette sitting in my dealer's showroom as I was driving by the place without any intention of buying a car. Course this is always the way I work, so my fiance (now wife) just shook her head. She says now she should have learned from that incident then. (joke I hope.)
Anyway, look it over, see my friend who's sold me many cars, sign the papers, they start it up to move it out of the showroom, and I glance at the odometer, it says 146. UH OH! stop the presses. A Vette in my thinking can't have 146 miles on it brand new, where's it been, who has driven those miles?
So I ordered a black '77 and got it in about 2 months. Now I just posted that I picked up last week a new 2008 Impala for wife with about 186 miles showing and that is perfectly OK in my book, the driver is not likely to be using that 3.5V6 in a 4 door like the 350 V* in the Vette, does my rationale make sense?.
Emotionally yes, logically not really. In 148 miles how much damage can be done on a Vette? Not much unless its something like crashing the vehicle or putting it into a forward gear while still going in reverse (or visa versa). Those things can be done to just about any car.
So unless you use feather like touches on the gas and brakes and turn corners really slow all the time you will do a lot more to that Vette than can be done in under 148 miles.
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More emotion than logic, definitely.
With Ford the Warranty runs 3 years from the in service date (the date the car was sold or put in Demo service) or until the odom reads 36,000 miles.
If you buy a demo with 35K on it then you have 1K of factory warranty left.
The only time warranty is added to the existing time/miles is if you buy a used car warranty, those are sold in 12/12 blocks. So if you have a used car with 40K on it and you buy a 36/36 service contract today the contract would run till 10/31/2011 or 76K on the odom what ever comes first.
FYI I am talking about the bumper to bumper the Powertrain works the same way it is 5 years or 60K on the odom
That's not a demo in any normal sense of the word. I have personal experience with pre-delivery mileage being added to the base number with GM, Honda, Toyota and Mazda. Indeed until this topic got an airing I didn't know it was done any other way. A pal of mine bought an ex-demo with 5500 or so on the odometer and that was added (in writing) to the sale document as the mileage when the warranty expired.
A demo with 2k miles on it does not magically get a 2k mile extension on the warranty. To be clear, no manufacturer extends their warranty without purchase of an extended warranty.
Is this mystery solved? A dealer has no authority to say that your warranty ends at 36,250 miles. Only the manufacturer can do that. No matter what the salesperson tells you.....
Ok, there ya have it.
Yeah, but what about Bigfoot... Mr. Know It All? :P
Ok, there ya have it.
For some reason I have the feeling this is only the beginning.
I tend to agree with the 2 or 3 of you that say the manufactuer warranty ends at i.e 36,000 miles, reguardless of pre-existing mileage. As a customer service benefit, the dealership may be covering the extra 100-200 miles as a goodwill gesture. Knowing fully well the odds of any problems arising in that small time frame of mileage, would be slim to none.
How is it ridiculous? Your experience with a dealership says that they will extend the warranty. It's not happening. They have no authority to do so. Perhaps they lied to you.
My statement is true. Call the manufacturer to get confirmation or call a sample of 25 dealerships who are not selling you a vehicle. They will all confirm my statement.
Sorry to break your reverie in fantasyland, but it just isn't true. :sick:
I am wanting to get rid of my 08 G6 lease, so I may get a Honda product.
I have been told to post my car on the site, but wondering if this will give me good results and if there other ways to do this. My current lease is going to look very attractive, as GMAC does not lease anymore. I currently pay $319 with tax a month. The features of the G6 are, Leather, sunroof, cd changer, XM, onstar, remote start, salsa red. Apparently they cannot come close to that kind of payment with that kind of car. I think I have 32 months left. 12k miles a year allowed. So with that said, I am thinking I should not have a problem in doing so.
Also, there is a $595 processing fee from GMAC, but then then the new owner would take over, and I walk away. I hear people do this all the time! taking over, selling.
If there is anything I should know about all of this, please let me know.
I've worked for Volvo,Acura,Mercedes,Cadillac and Dodge.
While the warranty TIME starts at delivery,the mileage starts from zero.
Now, it is not unusual for a manufacturer to cover a warranty item(esp if it's a small one) if you are only 50-100 miles out of warranty. Especially if you have a long service history w/ your dealership.
thats isn' to say that they will buy you a tranny at 36,060 miles, but they would probably replace a window regulator.
Remember that a warranty administrator doesn't know how many miles were on the car when you bought it, only how many are on the car when the claim is filed.
I would have to say though that I agree, the dealer has no authority to extend a factory warranty on his own unless he is paying for it out of pocket or perhaps he is counting on some discretionary funds he may or may not get because he's a high volume dealer in good standing.
Maybe the dealer is just gambling that you'll never be in to collect on his promise.
Buyers claiming they were told the warranty extends for 36K miles forward from the delivery mileage.
But, not on import nameplates, before..though..
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However reading some posts here from folks who have contracts in hand with such extensions, leads me to conclude that these mileage extensions are done solely by the dealers, as a goodwill gesture, and would not be otherwise supported by a manufacturer if a problem should arise during the questionable mileage period.
The reason dealers might be providing such extensions, as somebody mentioned earlier, is because the chances of something going wrong during the 100 or so miles is rare.
If such mileage extensions would be in place from the manufacturers, then you'd see a ton of dealership driven unregistered demos with 10k-20k miles that a manufacturer would be obligated to give warranty on, waaaay beyond normal period (up to 56k miles instead of 36k).
That's my final ruling and answer.
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I would assume that dealers are within their discretion to goodwill a repair under warranty if the car is slightly over the 36,000 mile limit. The selling dealer might be more accommodating than someone else, though.
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If you won't sue, you should at least complain to the BBB and the local dealer association if there is one in your area. A short letter to the manufacturer might be in order too.
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Way to go ‘sunsets’. Don’t drop the ball now. Slimeballs like that car salesman should be driven out of that profession. Problem is he’ll only wind up somewhere else but if you nail him hard enough he might get the idea.
I think a poster mentioned going to the TV station Consumer Advocate person. They should eat this up given your lawyer thinks you have a case.
Personally, I’d go for the jugular.
Again, nice work.
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Speaking of going broke... is the current delima with Ford a surprise? You've always posted before about how financially strong Ford was. Yesterday's paper stated they would be out of cash/business in 8 months without a bail-out. What a sad sad time for the once mighty American automotive industry.
As of Friday I thought this was Fords official stance
Despite the $7.7 billion cash drain during the quarter, CFO Booth said Ford remains comfortable that it will have enough to sustain operations. The company doesn't plan to tap its available credit lines anytime soon, he said.
But Ford decided to make additional cost cuts to improve its automotive cash position by a total of $14 billion to $17 billion through 2010. That will help Ford continue new product investments and offset the continued industry weakness, company officials said
It does not suck every where. We posted a profits in our over seas operations and FMCC still is operating in the black. I think it was $160,000,000 profit last quarter
Saturdays front page story in, The Courier Journal, "Weak economy could doom Ford".
"Ford Motor Co. may not survive through next year if the economy doesn't improve, CEO Alan Mulally said yesterday..." "With only $18 billion cash on hand, a deeper recession next year or one that lasts beyond 2010 would make a multibillion dollar loan critical to the automakers survival"
The article did go on to offer examples of "reasons for hope".
The only slack I would cut him is if he was talking to the goverment trying to get some of the free money they are passing out. Ya I call it free, 2/3 will never get payed back IMO
Seriously though can I get a link to share the article with my GM and DP
Looks like the C-J sensationalised the heading in Saturday's paper, as the article is called, "Ford's fate may hinge on economy" on it's web site.
The only slack I would cut him is if he was talking to the goverment trying to get some of the free money they are passing out. Ya I call it free, 2/3 will never get payed back
That seems to be the case, or the impression I get, now that you mention it.
Ford has the products to make it and their quality has improved. they need to clean up their lineup a bit. Do you really need the Explorer, Flex, Edge and Taurus X?
Do you really need the
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"GM has lost $22.9 billion so far this year,"
"For the quarter, Ford reported a net loss of...$2.9 billion on its global automotive operations."
"If GM files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Fitch Ratings analyst Mark Oline said there is “a very high risk” that it would pull in Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler, too, because GM probably would be forced to discount vehicles deeply to generate cash for creditors, and other automakers would have to follow."
Not necessarily so. Though I agree in the unlikely event that they file for chapter 7.
It's possible that the management oversight provided by the court in the case of chapter 11 could improve the situation.
Thats not what worries me. What worries me is the suppliers and vendors it would put out of business which would in turn make it hard for us to get parts to build and repair cars.
If ABC Brake Pad Company has a contract with Ford and GM and are rolling along then we have no problem getting brake pads and at a grea price because of the volume they sell the two companies. If GM goes under and ABC Brakes loses the GM contract then they can either close there doors or the price on the pads they are selling us.
The European Focus launches her in the Fall of 2009 I believe.
And also we will have a new car called the Verve launch around that time to
Son purchased new car, trade-in was accepted and balance on existing loan transferred to new car purchase. The dealer sent Wachovia payment, but caused about $41 to $57 balance due. Wachovia sent notice to son of balance due (he's on the road for work so found too late), (Sept. 15) went to dealership about a balance due, they told him just to pay it.
That same day he called Wachovia and they said just to ignore letter he had received as the balance had been paid on Sept. 11.
But when he checked his Credit reporting service it showed:
10/03/08
WFS/Wachovia Dealer Svcs Inc.
Acct status: 30 days past due
Bal. Amt. $41
Status date: 9/30/2008
10/05/08
WFS/Wachovia Dealer Svcs Inc.
Acct status: Not more than two payments past due
Bal. Amt. $41
Status date: 9/1/2008
Balance date: 08/01/2008
Apparently dealership did not send full amt. the first time and had to send the extra payment in September to get title from Wachovia.
Signed purchase for new car 7-29, his next payment was due 8-8-08 on vehicle he traded in.
He called Wachovia ex. cust. service and was told that if Wachovia did not make the mistake they would not remove these negtives from the credit reporting agencies.
Current plan is to write to dealership to ask for date and amounts (but they have a bad reputation with the BBB - I just found this out a few days ago, so not expecting much),
and to write to Wachovia to see if they will provide copies of the payoff amts. and dates.
Thank you for any advice/assistance.
"GM probably would be forced to discount vehicles deeply to generate cash for creditors, and other automakers would have to follow."
To which joel0622 responded:
"Thats not what worries me. What worries me is the suppliers and vendors it would put out of business which would in turn make it hard for us to get parts to build and repair cars. "
Both very good points. I guess we'd have to depend on the Chinese for our domestic auto parts. After all we trust them for toothpaste, pyjamas, kids toys and baby food .
Son received letter and a call from Wachovia ex. cust. service - the letter said it submitted request to the big 3 credit reporting agencies to remove the 2 (30 day) delinquencies for Sept and Oct.
It is so great that they did this! At no point was Wacovia doing anything wrong.
It was the dealerships responsibility to pay the quote Wacovia gave them in a timely manner - since they did not the dealership actually caused the late fees.
It was hard lesson learned, if anyone trades in a vehicle with an existing loan, stay on top of that account until you are positive it is clear.
Wachovia Dealer Services - you are great!!
Still plan to complain to the dealership and BBB about this. It is so wrong that bad credit stays on your reports for 7 years can be caused by someone else. Just leaving a consumer stuck with it for years.
And like I said, don't just assume it is being taken care of - will never make that mistake again.
Again a great big thank you to Wachovia Dealer Services and Mr. Scott.
I just came back from overseas. It's no wonder they're making money with the cool models they have. The redesign Mondeo and Fiesta are gorgeous. And the Kuga is a pretty cool CUV. And of course the Focus as Joel already mentioned.
Hope they bring them here soon.
I really hope that's true, but I'll believe it when I see it. Another thing I'd like to see (but I'm certain I won't) is the Mondeo replacing the Fusion. Now that's a car that could play on a level playing field with Camry and Accord and win.
Look at what it sells for in Europe.
Look at what it sells for in Europe.
I realise that, however it would not be the first car to be sold more cheaply in North America than it is in Europe. I see Mondeo as very real competition for Accord et al, whereas Fusion is not. No doubt if Ford did decide to bring it here they would have to "dumb it down" for the US market, just as they did with Focus and Escort
Next summer I will be in the market for a sedan in the mid $30k range. It disappoints me that there's not a domestic model on my top ten list of candidates. Nothing worth serious consideration to a 35 year old looking for something that is a happy balance of sport and luxury. Personally I don't believe that there is a tangible quality gap between foreign and domestic as I have been very pleased with the domestic trucks and SUVs that we have owned. Bailouts might provide enough oxygen to get through the tough times but compelling product will ensure ultimate success.
By basically slapping two extra doors on the old Bronco II and calling it the 1991 Explorer, FMC in my opinion set off the SUV craze that spanned a good 15 years. Detroit can do it; I hope they will again with some interesting sedans.