Real-World Trade-In Values

tkfitz1

qbrozen said:

tkfitz1 said:

It might be time to retire the old trash hauler so......
2014 F 150 4WD, XL, white with grey(vinyl!!) interior, regular cab, short bed, power windows and locks, 3.7 V6, auto and a low, low 132,000 miles. Clean carfax with a commercial registration noted. No service records, but relatively clean and runs/drives well. Tires and brakes at just about 50%. Just outside Boston Ma. Asking price is about $13,000. At a local small used car dealer. Pretty much sold as is.
Any input on auction prices, trade in or retail values greatly appreciated. I was thinking of throwing him a quick sale cash offer in the 9 to 10 G range........
Thanks in advance

Carfax doesn't mention florida, does it? Cheapest one at auction was a white one in FL with 131185 miles sold back on 8/8 for $8900. In any case, I think that means your chances of getting it for $9k are out the window. Likely needs $11k out of it.

Thanks for the timely reply. And info too. Carfax mentioned Northeast Auction, the vehicle has been registered in Mass since new. With a high mile stripper equipped with all the unpopular options getting such strong money I might be better off doing something different. So......

How about a 2016 F150? XL, 4WD, Green, regular cab, 3.5 (non turbo) 8 ft bed. PW and locks, 66000 miles. Truck looks almost new, good tires and brakes. Asking just under $17,000 at a no-haggle Ford used car. More than I wanted to spend, but looks like a bargain to me now.

Simple 2 door trucks in decent shape are getting hard to find in these parts.

tkfitz1

My bad....I thought 17000 was a bit too cheap. Asking 19000. Time for the eye exam again I guess.

corvette

The 8 foot bed always looks awkward to me. If you don't mind it, and the price is right...

qbrozen

$19k is still cheap. Close to $20k auction value. Might want to make sure it hasn't had paintwork.

tkfitz1

Thanks again. The truck has a clean carfax, but I would check it out very carefully-well out of warranty so any repairs would be my dime. A quick talk with the sales staff indicated that it was a local order/then trade. Towards an extra cab truck with more options. I think it is a better value, but a lot more than I want to spend on something that will just sit in my driveway except for weekends.
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pensfan83

@nyccarguy I forgot all about that. Good to know.

henryn

You should be able to find a new F150 regular cab, 2018 year model, no miles, for around $22k or slightly under. This is definitely a situation where buying new makes more sense than buying used. Much more sense.

If you can't find such a deal right now, wait a little. The 2019's are coming, and prices will definitely fall.

qbrozen

henryn said:

You should be able to find a new F150 regular cab, 2018 year model, no miles, for around $22k or slightly under. This is definitely a situation where buying new makes more sense than buying used. Much more sense. If you can't find such a deal right now, wait a little. The 2019's are coming, and prices will definitely fall.

Probably wouldn't be 4wd though

henryn

qbrozen said:

henryn said:

You should be able to find a new F150 regular cab, 2018 year model, no miles, for around $22k or slightly under. This is definitely a situation where buying new makes more sense than buying used. Much more sense.

If you can't find such a deal right now, wait a little. The 2019's are coming, and prices will definitely fall.

Probably wouldn't be 4wd though

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You're right, I missed that part. I tend to skim right over "4wd" or "awd", living down here in the sunny (very hot) south.

I just ran into something I had never seen before.

Looking at this certified 2015 Infiniti QX 60:

https://www.southwestinfiniti.com/VehicleDetails/certified-2015-INFINITI-QX60-3.5-Houston-TX/3200655403

There is a link to the Carfax, and when you get there you see that minor rear end damage was reported. The Carfax report, down towards the bottom, has a link to a “ProView Report”. Which said report states all equipment is original, except for the “Rear Bumper Cover”.

I guess this is an attempt to negate the effects of the accident report on CarFax. Anyone ever heard of ProView and know whether they are to be trusted?

corvette

Didn't realize until today that the rev limiter / upshift point on the G37 is well over 7,000 RPM.

Still can't tell a huge difference by using Sport mode. In Drive, you really have to feather the throttle if you want it to upshift before 3,000 RPM.

qbrozen

henryn said:

henryn said:

You should be able to find a new F150 regular cab, 2018 year model, no miles, for around $22k or slightly under. This is definitely a situation where buying new makes more sense than buying used. Much more sense. If you can't find such a deal right now, wait a little. The 2019's are coming, and prices will definitely fall.

Probably wouldn't be 4wd though

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= end quoted section ==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== You're right, I missed that part. I tend to skim right over "4wd" or "awd", living down here in the sunny (very hot) south. I just ran into something I had never seen before. Looking at this certified 2015 Infiniti QX 60: https://www.southwestinfiniti.com/VehicleDetails/certified-2015-INFINITI-QX60-3.5-Houston-TX/3200655403 There is a link to the Carfax, and when you get there you see that minor rear end damage was reported. The Carfax report, down towards the bottom, has a link to a “ProView Report”. Which said report states all equipment is original, except for the “Rear Bumper Cover”. I guess this is an attempt to negate the effects of the accident report on CarFax. Anyone ever heard of ProView and know whether they are to be trusted?

New to me

Mr_Shiftright

http://www.trueframereport.com/proview-report

corvette

Ah, so they invented a report for dealers to use to try to explain away a dirty CarFax. Good luck using that same report when you try to trade the car in. 

Mr_Shiftright

I think it was more of a response to CARFAX's rather nasty habit of putting "incidents" on a car's report 5-10 years after the incident, with no explanation. "Hey, you know that car you bought with the "clean Carfax? Well guess what? It's dirty now. Surprise! "

henryn

Mr_Shiftright said:

I think it was more of a response to CARFAX's rather nasty habit of putting "incidents" on a car's report 5-10 years after the incident, with no explanation. "Hey, you know that car you bought with the "clean Carfax? Well guess what? It's dirty now. Surprise! "

I think you’re right. The Carfax report just said something like “rear impact reported”. It would be nice to know MORE. This ProView, or TrueFrame report says only the bumper cover was replaced. If I believe these people (and that was my question, how reputable are they?) But if they can be trusted, and the only damage was to the bumper cover, then I am perfectly happy.

Mr_Shiftright

Sometimes the car buyer just needs to take a leap of faith.

tkfitz1

A new 4WD F150 would never be discounted so heavily in the snowy Northeast. 25-26k would be about as low as I could hope to see.
The biggest problem for me in the used car market is competing with buyers that have poor credit and just want a low monthly payment. A dealer can easily sign someone up for a very long term loan on a late model vehicle. So the purchase price is largely irrelevant. In fact some ads clearly mention that lower tier credit customers might have to pay more than sticker to qualify.

Mr_Shiftright

Q--what are we to make of this note on a CARFAX report?

"Police accident reports are required in California when the estimated damage exceeds $750. The date of this particular accident was not reported to CARFAX, but it likely occurred between Oct. 2013 and Dec. 2014."

Do you read this to mean that the accident was less than $750?

More to the point---what do you think this car is worth?

2012 BMW 128i coupe, blue with tan leather, roof, manual transmission, premium package, 65,000 miles, SF Bay Area (one nick on the CARFAX, as mentioned above).

qbrozen

I wouldn't assume anything. Maybe they are pointing out that it SHOULD have been reported.

So its tough to put a number on the car without knowing more. Personally, I'd probably ding it like any other bad report, which means I'd want to pay no more than $10k for it. I'm going to guess they are asking $13-14?

Mr_Shiftright

Yep, they are asking $13.9K for it, which is out of the question. It might be worth $11K if it were pristine I guess. Miles are good, colors are good. Wish it were a bit closer to me. I'll have to hack my way through San Francisco to see it and then hack my way back. I could be gone for days!

sda

nyccarguy said:

pensfan83 said:

$2K??? Glad I don't have to worry about that for a while 

You got a base model.  Clutch replacement should cost about 1/2 of what I paid.  The ATTS unit has to be removed & reinstalled in order to replace the clutch on my Type SH Prelude.

Didn't that end up being higher than the original estimate? I'm sure you'll be glad to have it back. You certainly can't replace the fun car for $2k!

stickguy

I offered him big money for it, as is. His loss!

andres3

Mr_Shiftright said:

Q--what are we to make of this note on a CARFAX report?

"Police accident reports are required in California when the estimated damage exceeds $750. The date of this particular accident was not reported to CARFAX, but it likely occurred between Oct. 2013 and Dec. 2014."

Do you read this to mean that the accident was less than $750?

More to the point---what do you think this car is worth?

2012 BMW 128i coupe, blue with tan leather, roof, manual transmission, premium package, 65,000 miles, SF Bay Area (one nick on the CARFAX, as mentioned above).

Some police departments are SO DAMN LAZY they won't do a police report UNLESS someone is injured or dead in a car accident. Don't tell me it's the fact they are too busy and understaffed, I know that to be untrue.

tjc78

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yep, they are asking $13.9K for it, which is out of the question. It might be worth $11K if it were pristine I guess. Miles are good, colors are good. Wish it were a bit closer to me. I'll have to hack my way through San Francisco to see it and then hack my way back. I could be gone for days!

Yeah, but maybe you can get a good taco on the trip... :@

nyccarguy

sda said:

pensfan83 said:

$2K??? Glad I don't have to worry about that for a while 

You got a base model.  Clutch replacement should cost about 1/2 of what I paid.  The ATTS unit has to be removed & reinstalled in order to replace the clutch on my Type SH Prelude.

Didn't that end up being higher than the original estimate? I'm sure you'll be glad to have it back. You certainly can't replace the fun car for $2k!

It was higher than his original estimate.  I knew what it was going to cost from when I had it done the 1st time.

I got the car back and it drives wonderful!  I certainly can’t get anything better or more fun/reliable for the money.

Mr_Shiftright

tjc78 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yep, they are asking $13.9K for it, which is out of the question. It might be worth $11K if it were pristine I guess. Miles are good, colors are good. Wish it were a bit closer to me. I'll have to hack my way through San Francisco to see it and then hack my way back. I could be gone for days!

Yeah, but maybe you can get a good taco on the trip... :@

I'll need provisions in case I have to stay overnight

spice568nm

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yep, they are asking $13.9K for it, which is out of the question. It might be worth $11K if it were pristine I guess. Miles are good, colors are good. Wish it were a bit closer to me. I'll have to hack my way through San Francisco to see it and then hack my way back. I could be gone for days!

There is a nice 2013 128i manual with 56k miles at Las Vegas BMW - asking 13.5k but its one of those one price No haggle places with a crazy 500 doc fee. Too pricey even for a proper Le Mans blue M-Sport 6spd.

qbrozen

spacetiger said:

There is a nice 2013 128i manual with 56k miles at Las Vegas BMW - asking 13.5k but its one of those one price No haggle places with a crazy 500 doc fee. Too pricey even for a proper Le Mans blue M-Sport 6spd.

That's not crazy at all. If it is clean and equipped right, that could even be a good deal.

spice568nm

qbrozen said:

spacetiger said:

There is a nice 2013 128i manual with 56k miles at Las Vegas BMW - asking 13.5k but its one of those one price No haggle places with a crazy 500 doc fee. Too pricey even for a proper Le Mans blue M-Sport 6spd.

That's not crazy at all. If it is clean and equipped right, that could even be a good deal.

Really?! hmm tempting ..... must resist.

Mr_Shiftright

The M-Sport package was something like...what $3K?

stickguy

It's a BMW. Navigation is $1,700, so what do you expect?

kyfdx

Pretty rare to see a 128i with stick and M-Sport.

Mr_Shiftright

Yes, that's a nice combo.

roadburner

kyfdx said:

Pretty rare to see a 128i with stick and M-Sport.

I almost ordered a 128i M Sport with a manual; Alpine White with Coral Red leather. CWP, H-K, HIDs, and no hole in the roof.

steine13

What is this, like a cult?
https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/2012-bmw-128i-sport-package/6718611549.html

kyfdx

steine13 said:

What is this, like a cult?
https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/2012-bmw-128i-sport-package/6718611549.html

Nice configuration, but no one ever called the N52 engine, "legendary".

roadburner

kyfdx said:

Nice configuration, but no one ever called the N52 engine, "legendary".

Yes, I reserve that term for the S14 and S38.

henryn

https://southwestinfiniti.com/VehicleDetails/used-2013-INFINITI-M37-Base-Houston-TX/3294777463

Carfax here:

https://carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?make=INFIN&vin=-109%7C-97%7C-48%7C36%7C-10%7C-19%7C46%7C108%7C7%7C-104%7C-70%7C-100%7C43%7C42%7C-116%7C53%7C-115%7C31%7C-73%7C44%7C-72%7C80%7C39%7C88%7C&dealer_id=70358133&car_id=495836153&partner=ATD_U

I stopped by Southwest Infiniti this afternoon while I was out and about, sat in and test drove a 2014 Audi A6 and a 2013 Infiniti M37. I was rather impressed with the M37, but $16k for a 5 year old car with 105k miles seems a little steep. What say the experts?

stickguy

I would not be paying that much for one. I do recall sitting in them at the car show, and always found them comfortable. But a pretty big car (well, by my standards, not what you have to compare it to). I would actually be fine with the more compact G series.

qbrozen

Sadly, that is a decent price.
but, if you like it, find an older one with fewer miles for less. For example, I see a number of 2012s with 80k'ish miles that could be had for $15k. The m37 started in 2011, and you probably won't find any difference throughout its model run.

corvette

I considered the M37 prior to buying the G37. The reviews all love it, but the flat seats were a huge turn off. 

If we’re playing buy / drive / burn, you’d buy the M37, drive a BMW 535i, and burn an Audi A6 with the 2.0T. 

tjc78

I’ve actually never heard of Buy / Drive / Kill.   Nice riff on the old Howard Stern bit.  

We could probably start a thread on that.  

Mr_Shiftright

kyfdx said:

steine13 said:

What is this, like a cult?
https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/2012-bmw-128i-sport-package/6718611549.html

Nice configuration, but no one ever called the N52 engine, "legendary".

It's "legendary" for NOT being legendary (in the worst sense of the word).

No it's not a cult. It's just that (once again) the astute members of the Edmunds Forums spotted another "bang for the buck" used car that isn't part of the herd. I suppose it is "cult-like" if you have even a pretense of being an enthusiastic driver.

No, it's no hi-po car but way more fun than a lot of new cars.

Mr_Shiftright

roadburner said:

kyfdx said:

Nice configuration, but no one ever called the N52 engine, "legendary".

Yes, I reserve that term for the S14 and S38.

I think the S14 engine was a great one indeed. It has somewhat of a reputation for being relatively short-lived (by modern standards) but no doubt that's due to them being flogged pretty hard in their lifetimes.

kyfdx

Mr_Shiftright said:

kyfdx said:

steine13 said:

What is this, like a cult?
https://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/d/2012-bmw-128i-sport-package/6718611549.html

Nice configuration, but no one ever called the N52 engine, "legendary".

It's "legendary" for NOT being legendary (in the worst sense of the word).

No it's not a cult. It's just that (once again) the astute members of the Edmunds Forums spotted another "bang for the buck" used car that isn't part of the herd. I suppose it is "cult-like" if you have even a pretense of being an enthusiastic driver.

No, it's no hi-po car but way more fun than a lot of new cars.

In the description, the seller puts that adjective on the N52 engine, not the car or the marque.

I agree.. it's a very nice car, but that engine is not a legend in BMW land, or anywhere else. It does the job for the vehicle it's in, though.

Mr_Shiftright

Well it's not exactly a dog--with the manual transmission, you got 0-60 in 6.4 seconds. The N54 is only about 1 second faster, and seems hardly worth all the trouble.

kyfdx

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well it's not exactly a dog--with the manual transmission, you got 0-60 in 6.4 seconds. The N54 is only about 1 second faster, and seems hardly worth all the trouble.

I agree.. it's adequate or better power for the vehicle. But, no one is going nuts over 230 HP in a 3.0 litre inline six cylinder. I was only commenting on the hyperbole from the seller.

That's an old engine (2007?). IMO, a downgrade from the M54 they used previously, too. My wife had that engine in her 2011 X3.

Mr_Shiftright

Yes, the description was quite over the top. Let's call it a very "serviceable" engine.

fronttwelv

Looking for trade in value on 2014 BMW 328i X-Drive, M Sport with around 56k miles. It has all the tech incl Navi, Backup cam, Overhead Cam, satellite, moonroof, real leather. How close to $18k can I get?

roadburner

Color?
Location?
Tire/brake wear percentage?