Real-World Trade-In Values

henryn

thebean said:

Does the F150 have stop-start? That could contribute to better city MPG.

Yes, but I normally disable it.

Drivingfool

Have stop/start in many of our rentals and most customers hate it as do all of us drivers. Personally, don't think it saves that much petrol and besides that, it's just plain annoying!!

qbrozen

The feature in my f150 works smoothly and does not disturb me one bit. In my Alfa, however, it is very disruptive, inconsistent, and jerky. So much so that I think I will permanently disable it.

nyccarguy

Drivingfool said:

Have stop/start in many of our rentals and most customers hate it as do all of us drivers. Personally, don't think it saves that much petrol and besides that, it's just plain annoying!!

I agree with you Sandy. My wife's Pilot has it and I don't think it saves a drop of fuel as far as the real world goes.

My Mom's Cayenne has auto stop/start as well. She turns it off because she's afraid that one day she'll be in the middle of an intersection and it won't start back up.

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

Drivingfool said:

Have stop/start in many of our rentals and most customers hate it as do all of us drivers. Personally, don't think it saves that much petrol and besides that, it's just plain annoying!!

I agree with you Sandy. My wife's Pilot has it and I don't think it saves a drop of fuel as far as the real world goes.

My Mom's Cayenne has auto stop/start as well. She turns it off because she's afraid that one day she'll be in the middle of an intersection and it won't start back up.

How would you know?

roadburner

qbrozen said:

The feature in my f150 works smoothly and does not disturb me one bit. In my Alfa, however, it is very disruptive, inconsistent, and jerky. So much so that I think I will permanently disable it.

It works pretty well in the I6 and V8 BMWs I've driven. The fours have always felt rougher; but it seemed a lot better on my 2018 230i loaner

henryn

qbrozen said:

The feature in my f150 works smoothly and does not disturb me one bit. In my Alfa, however, it is very disruptive, inconsistent, and jerky. So much so that I think I will permanently disable it.

I agree, it does work smoothly in the F150 ecoboost. But... (You knew there was going to be a "but", right?)

I do a lot of driving on surface streets, stop and go, many red lights and stop signs. If I'm sitting at a stop sign, waiting on a hole in the cross traffic (which does not have to stop), I need to be able to go. GO NOW! And while the F150 does start quickly and smoothly, it is most definitely NOT instantaneous.

My 2013 F150, with the 5.0 V8 did not like quick launches. To hit a hole in the traffic, you needed to rev the engine against the brake, or else just ease slowly into the throttle. Otherwise it would jump 2 feet, lurch, stumble, generally not go anywhere quickly. The ecoboost responds very nicely to a stab at the throttle. Unless of course the engine is stopped.

kyfdx

Yeah... in heavy city traffic, where you need to be on your toes, I just turn it off. It's super easy on my wife's X3, and it holds your choice, even after you've shut the car down. But, 98% of the time, we just leave it enabled.

explorerx4

My F-150 and my Fusion both have stop/start.
Works well in both of them. Neither has a problem launching from engine off.
I generally leave activated, although I will shut it off in creeping traffic.
When you are sitting at a light for several minutes engine off, you know you are saving fuel.

sb55

I know that this isn’t the mpg thread, but I just got 15 mpg towing my 30’ 8500 lb Airstream with my Silverado (6.2 V-8) from Ohio to Indianapolis. But, the last place that I gassed up had non-ethanol premium (yay).  Plus, it’s pretty flat out here!   Great truck!  
Albuquerque, New Mexico, (hot air balloon festival) here we come:). 

explorerx4

@sb55,
The 6.2 is an excellent engine. Which transmission do you have?
A lot longer trip coming up, enjoy and post some pics.

corvette

sb55 said:

I know that this isn’t the mpg thread, but I just got 15 mpg towing my 30’ 8500 lb Airstream with my Silverado (6.2 V-8) from Ohio to Indianapolis. But, the last place that I gassed up had non-ethanol premium (yay).  Plus, it’s pretty flat out here!   Great truck!  
Albuquerque, New Mexico, (hot air balloon festival) here we come:). 

That’s a great number! Does the 6.2 perform better on premium?  Check out the Trinity Test Site if you get a chance. It used to be open the same weekend as the balloon festival. 

nyccarguy

@breld - Edmunds did a video (5ish minutes) comparing a GTI Autobahn 6MT back to back with a Golf R DSG.  They basically said the Golf R was an Audi S3 Hatchback that we don’t get here.  They didn’t like the GTI’s all season tires.  Praised both cars, but said the Golf R was well worth the price premium over the high level GTI Aitobahn

corvette

Can’t tell if you’re trying to talk him out of selling it, or trying to talk him into buying another one after he sells it. 

breld

Keeping in mind we’re not pushing these cars to their limits, my wife and I liked the Golf R for its ability to start off more smoothly without tire spin, as compared to the GTI. Other than that, it didn’t feel much quicker or better handling at speed.

I’d say if a shopper is looking at a loaded GTI autobahn, the R is a worthy upgrade. A lower optioned GTI in the mid to high $20k’s is a value tough to beat.

breld

corvette said:

Can’t tell if you’re trying to talk him out of selling it, or trying to talk him into buying another one after he sells it. 

Well, for better or worse, we handed the keys to the Golf off to our co-worker this afternoon, so it’s out of the fleet.

I could see a MK8 GTI in our fleet in the future, just cause we’ll want to try one out.

Michaell

breld said:

Keeping in mind we’re not pushing these cars to their limits, my wife and I liked the Golf R for its ability to start off more smoothly without tire spin, as compared to the GTI. Other than that, it didn’t feel much quicker or better handling at speed.

I’d say if a shopper is looking at a loaded GTI autobahn, the R is a worthy upgrade. A lower optioned GTI in the mid to high $20k’s is a value tough to beat.

That's probably due to the AWD system of the R, vs. the FWD on the GTI.

sb55

corvette said:

sb55 said:

I know that this isn’t the mpg thread, but I just got 15 mpg towing my 30’ 8500 lb Airstream with my Silverado (6.2 V-8) from Ohio to Indianapolis. But, the last place that I gassed up had non-ethanol premium (yay).  Plus, it’s pretty flat out here!   Great truck!  
Albuquerque, New Mexico, (hot air balloon festival) here we come:). 

That’s a great number! Does the 6.2 perform better on premium?  Check out the Trinity Test Site if you get a chance. It used to be open the same weekend as the balloon festival. 

sb55

The truck recommends premium. 
I think that for towing and extra stress that it might put on the motor, it’s worth paying the extra for it. I usually get around 12 mpg towing so the 15 mpg was impressive.   

nyccarguy

breld said:

Keeping in mind we’re not pushing these cars to their limits, my wife and I liked the Golf R for its ability to start off more smoothly without tire spin, as compared to the GTI. Other than that, it didn’t feel much quicker or better handling at speed.

I’d say if a shopper is looking at a loaded GTI autobahn, the R is a worthy upgrade. A lower optioned GTI in the mid to high $20k’s is a value tough to beat.

The voice of reason has spoken. Since we are in Real World Trade In Values, @qbrozen, do you see a significant difference between the auction values between a GTI S & a GTI Autobahn (assuming year, mileage, transmission, & condition are similar)? Which one is the better buy used?

qbrozen

About $3k difference

stickguy

I always thought the rule of thumb is loaded cars lose a bigger % of value in. Depreciation. IOW the expensive options don’t mean much on trade in. Especially in the same trim level.

Other way to look at it, say you have an SE with every option, or an SEL with none, that are essentially the same car, same MSRP. A few years in, you would expect the SEL to be worth more, and a higher amount than the initial price delta.

qbrozen

Correct that standalone options don't mean much, if anything at all, but trim can have a large impact.

For example, our T&C Limited is worth considerably more than a Touring L, even though you could load up the latter to be nearly the same thing.

And when it came to my CTS, in hindsight, I would have been better off getting the premium trim because that $8500 package ($10k msrp) would have added $7k to the value at 2 years of age. 

Of course, you can look at it 2 ways. As a percentage, you may do better with higher trim, but as a dollar amount, it is still greater depreciation.

georgep72

Our lease is up in one month on our 2015 toyota sienna xle with 35xxx miles. could you give me a close idea as to what would be a fair value if traded into the same toyota dealer we leased from. If it helps we're planning on leasing another toyota as the same time.
I got the following numbers from another site...do these look about right?
Trade in range: 21306-23337
Trade in value: 22322

georgep72

I'm planning on trading in my 2015 VW golf tdi sportswagon SEL highline with every option except parking assist and the DSG transmission. I purchased it new/never titled in May 2017 and currently has 23xxx miles. It has had all of the emissions (scandal) updates/recalls performed as well.
What would be a fair trade in value?

qbrozen

@georgep72
What state do you live in? What are the colors of these vehicles?
Original tires? Original brakes? Any previous paintwork?

georgep72

My apologies. I live in Maryland. 21401
original tires, brakes, paint.
The care was part of the VW diesel scandal so it sat on their lot from 2015 -2017. prior to me taking delivery it got new tires, brakes and was gone through since it sat. It was essentially a new vehicle with less than 100 miles.

georgep72

The previous comment was for the VW. I also forgot to say that it's blue.
The Sienna is all original with no paintwork. It is grey in color.
Thank you!

qbrozen

$21.5k-$22k on the Toyota
$14k-$14.5k on the VW

spice568nm

Appreciate any insight regarding pricing for a 2002 E55 AMG sedan, Bright Silver with 117k mi, looks to be in clean/good condition at a MB Dealer. They are asking is 9.8k, which seems rather high to me with those miles even for a rare car like the E55. Wanted to ask experts here what would a good offer be?

Thanks!

tifighter

Paging @fintail to the white courtesy phone...

qbrozen

Yeah, that will be a tough one for me. I have no reliable data to go on. My gut says maybe it is worth $6500-$7500 to the right buyer. The details are in the maintenance records at this point.

kyfdx

This member needs some used car advice:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/52692/general/x/used-car-advice-multiple-owners#latest

spice568nm

qbrozen said:

Yeah, that will be a tough one for me. I have no reliable data to go on. My gut says maybe it is worth $6500-$7500 to the right buyer. The details are in the maintenance records at this point.

Thank you qbrozen, car was owned by a current employee at that dealership and they have all the service done there - nothing major up to this point. Hopefully, they are willing to negotiate...

Mr_Shiftright

@spacetiger -- I don't think the price is too bad, really, if it's a sharp car, doesn't need tires, or an "AC charge". I think a really low miles (which this isn't) one that's A+ could pull $12,5K or maybe a big higher.

Certainly it's a car that needs to be gone over with a fine tooth comb, because any major repair is gonna just kill ya'.

xwesx

georgep72 said:

I'm planning on trading in my 2015 VW golf tdi sportswagon SEL highline with every option except parking assist and the DSG transmission. I purchased it new/never titled in May 2017 and currently has 23xxx miles. It has had all of the emissions (scandal) updates/recalls performed as well.
What would be a fair trade in value?

Interesting.... Is this a manual transmission vehicle, or is it just a non-DSG automatic?

corvette

xwesx said:

Interesting.... Is this a manual transmission vehicle, or is it just a non-DSG automatic?

Must be a manual. I don't think they've made a non-DSG TDI in a long time.

fintail

I agree with Shifty - it's not cheap, but not insanely priced. Try to get it down around 8K for a good deal, but nice ones seem to have a depreciation floor - it is neglected or abused cars that are cheaper.

Be sure the transmission has been serviced, hopefully routinely - that's the key on those cars. I had one for 7 years. Other than keeping the transmission serviced, they are mechanically solid - engine shouldn't have any issues. They can have other glitches like cars of that age and era, but are known to be fairly easy to live with. Lots of discussion about them at MBWorld and Benzworld.

spacetiger said:

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Thank you qbrozen, car was owned by a current employee at that dealership and they have all the service done there - nothing major up to this point. Hopefully, they are willing to negotiate...

steine13

Regarding the Sportwagon "SEL highline with every option except parking assist and the DSG transmission."

I think we have a 'writing comprehension' issue:

>> with every option (except parking assist) and the DSG transmission

makes the most sense.
Of course, it appears the OP has vanished so it may not matter.
-mathias

Mr_Shiftright

Q--can you give me your read on this car, auction value and also high retail?

2011 BMW 328i, M Sport Package, gray over black, hardtop convertible, 56,000 miles, northern California.

Thanks! Shopping for a friend, who likes this car. My gut says it needs to come down to around $15K, accounting for miles, exc. condition, options blah blah.

28firefighter

I think less than $15k. Maybe $13k. 

qbrozen

Mr_Shiftright said:

Q--can you give me your read on this car, auction value and also high retail? 2011 BMW 328i, M Sport Package, gray over black, hardtop convertible, 56,000 miles, northern California. Thanks! Shopping for a friend, who likes this car. My gut says it needs to come down to around $15K, accounting for miles, exc. condition, options blah blah.

Auction is $12k. So average asking retail should be $16k-$16.5k. $15k would be fair enough if it has zero needs. $14.5k would be a bit more comfortable for me, personally.

tkfitz1

It might be time to retire the old trash hauler so......
2014 F 150 4WD, XL, white with grey(vinyl!!) interior, regular cab, short bed, power windows and locks, 3.7 V6, auto and a low, low 132,000 miles. Clean carfax with a commercial registration noted. No service records, but relatively clean and runs/drives well. Tires and brakes at just about 50%. Just outside Boston Ma. Asking price is about $13,000. At a local small used car dealer. Pretty much sold as is.
Any input on auction prices, trade in or retail values greatly appreciated. I was thinking of throwing him a quick sale cash offer in the 9 to 10 G range........
Thanks in advance

qbrozen

tkfitz1 said:

It might be time to retire the old trash hauler so...... 2014 F 150 4WD, XL, white with grey(vinyl!!) interior, regular cab, short bed, power windows and locks, 3.7 V6, auto and a low, low 132,000 miles. Clean carfax with a commercial registration noted. No service records, but relatively clean and runs/drives well. Tires and brakes at just about 50%. Just outside Boston Ma. Asking price is about $13,000. At a local small used car dealer. Pretty much sold as is. Any input on auction prices, trade in or retail values greatly appreciated. I was thinking of throwing him a quick sale cash offer in the 9 to 10 G range........ Thanks in advance

Carfax doesn't mention florida, does it? Cheapest one at auction was a white one in FL with 131185 miles sold back on 8/8 for $8900. In any case, I think that means your chances of getting it for $9k are out the window. Likely needs $11k out of it.

nyccarguy

Mr_Shiftright said:

Q--can you give me your read on this car, auction value and also high retail? 2011 BMW 328i, M Sport Package, gray over black, hardtop convertible, 56,000 miles, northern California. Thanks! Shopping for a friend, who likes this car. My gut says it needs to come down to around $15K, accounting for miles, exc. condition, options blah blah.

An older, hard top convertible scares me.  Lots of complicated German Engineered moving parts.  But I’m also the guy who paid $2K to have the clutch replaced on a Honda for the 2nd time, so I’m just going to keep my mouth shut 

Mr_Shiftright

28firefighter said:

I think less than $15k. Maybe $13k. 

I thought so, too, at first, but then I had to factor in the M-Sport Package, the pristine condition and the low miles. I figured that was worth $1500--$2000.

I know, I know, this is not a precise science!

Mr_Shiftright

nyccarguy said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Q--can you give me your read on this car, auction value and also high retail?

2011 BMW 328i, M Sport Package, gray over black, hardtop convertible, 56,000 miles, northern California.

Thanks! Shopping for a friend, who likes this car. My gut says it needs to come down to around $15K, accounting for miles, exc. condition, options blah blah.

An older, hard top convertible scares me.  Lots of complicated German Engineered moving parts.  But I’m also the guy who paid $2K to have the clutch replaced on a Honda for the 2nd time, so I’m just going to keep my mouth shut 

Yeah, the words German + Out of Warranty can make one's socks rolls up and down, but I hadn't really heard of any extensive problems with these tops. You know, it's like the human brain---it generally works really well for most people, but when it breaks, it's rather expensive.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Q--can you give me your read on this car, auction value and also high retail?

2011 BMW 328i, M Sport Package, gray over black, hardtop convertible, 56,000 miles, northern California.

Thanks! Shopping for a friend, who likes this car. My gut says it needs to come down to around $15K, accounting for miles, exc. condition, options blah blah.

Auction is $12k. So average asking retail should be $16k-$16.5k. $15k would be fair enough if it has zero needs. $14.5k would be a bit more comfortable for me, personally.

Thanks, Q--I will encourage such friend to get a PPI and try to shoot for those numbers. I think he likes the low miles, and I can't say I blame him.

pensfan83

$2K??? Glad I don't have to worry about that for a while 

nyccarguy

pensfan83 said:

$2K??? Glad I don't have to worry about that for a while 

You got a base model.  Clutch replacement should cost about 1/2 of what I paid.  The ATTS unit has to be removed & reinstalled in order to replace the clutch on my Type SH Prelude.