Real-World Trade-In Values

qbrozen

3 owners and 12k is all I see, too. Weird.
I didn’t think it would be worth $40k, but sure enough it is. Going for $38k on average at auction.

Michaell

@qbrozen said:
3 owners and 12k is all I see, too. Weird.
I didn’t think it would be worth $40k, but sure enough it is. Going for $38k on average at auction.

Thanks! Currently priced at $39.3k

sda

Michaell said:

@qbrozen said:

3 owners and 12k is all I see, too. Weird.

I didn’t think it would be worth $40k, but sure enough it is. Going for $38k on average at auction.

Thanks! Currently priced at $39.3k

Anything look suspicious for it having 3 owners already? Service records available?

Michaell

@sda said:
Anything look suspicious for it having 3 owners already? Service records available?

Didn't look too closely at the details. One owner only had the car for 400 miles.

roadburner

Michaell said:

@sda said:

Anything look suspicious for it having 3 owners already? Service records available?

Didn't look too closely at the details. One owner only had the car for 400 miles.

Perhaps he/she died of old age?

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

Michaell said:

@sda said:

Anything look suspicious for it having 3 owners already? Service records available?

Didn't look too closely at the details. One owner only had the car for 400 miles.

Perhaps he/she died of old age?

I was sure you were going to say boredom.

jmonroe

explorerx4

Isn't XT5 Equinox based? If so, what else is related to the XT4?

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

Isn't XT5 Equinox based? If so, what else is related to the XT4?

According to wikipedia, the XT4 is on the same platform as the Buick Envision.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
Isn't XT5 Equinox based? If so, what else is related to the XT4?

XT5 is on the Acadia/Blazer platform.

explorerx4

Acadia is a 3 row, much bigger than an XT5.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
Acadia is a 3 row, much bigger than an XT5.

Same platform and wheelbase just a few inches shorter than the Acadia.

explorerx4

I've been in a 2021 XT5. It is the size as my wife's MKC.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

I've been in a 2021 XT5. It is the size as my wife's MKC.

@explorerx4 - just to confirm, the Corsair is the new name for the MKC?

tjc78

Which Acadia are you comparing it to? The 17+ got significantly smaller than the previous generation

Current Acadia is 193.6”
The current XT5 is 189.6

Both ride on the same 112.5” WB are an within 1/2” of each other on the width.

explorerx4

@tjc78,
I comparing to the Acadia in my neighbor's driveway.
It just seems very un-GM.

dad23

Just curious what a fair price would be to pay for this one:

97 4Runner SR5 4WD
JT3HN86R4V0128861
V6 Manual
Anthracite/Oak
Sunroof
65k miles

I posted about it a while back, they started close to $25k. It's very clean, no rust, a few small dings, no dents. I understand it's on consignment, one owner, considering putting in an offer but I'm thinking less than $10k?

steine13

It's nearly a quarter century old. It's also a unicorn. How badly do you want it? I'd be surprised if four figures got it done, but i wouldnt pay more for it either.... I'll bet someone will step up, but apparently not for$25

No way to know it's "true" value.
Good luck -mathias

dad23

Thanks, it's one of the boys who thinks he has to have it. I told him there's a reason it's still there and I reminded him what we paid for the one we bought that's 10 years newer.

corvette

I'd go $10k on that if I wanted it--$25k is insane. I can see someone (not me) paying the mid teens if it's really nice.

qbrozen

@dad23 said:
Just curious what a fair price would be to pay for this one:

97 4Runner SR5 4WD
JT3HN86R4V0128861
V6 Manual
Anthracite/Oak
Sunroof
65k miles

I posted about it a while back, they started close to $25k. It's very clean, no rust, a few small dings, no dents. I understand it's on consignment, one owner, considering putting in an offer but I'm thinking less than $10k?

As said, there is no way to know. They should put it on BaT or C&B and probably would get $20k for it, honestly, if it shows like 65k miles.

dad23

Thanks guys, and you're right q, we've seen some on C&B going for what you've described. He wants an early gen 4Runner, trying to teach him patience as well

woodyww

As said, there is no way to know. They should put it on BaT or C&B and probably would get $20k for it, honestly, if it shows like 65k mile


In the late '90's I drove a '97 or '98 4Runner with about 10K miles. Had the leather, S/R, all that stuff. They were asking about $31K IIRC. My then g/f told me to buy it, & I guess I should have. BTW, later, I also drove the next gen 4Runner--I thought it a huge upgrade. And had--(or were available)--side airbags.

oldfarmer50

I haven’t posted here in years but I’m wondering how crazy the market really is these days.

What would be a private party value on a base model 2004 Chevy Express cargo van auto with 4.3L 6 cyl., RWD, crank windows and 122k miles. I would call it fair to rough with air bag light lit and AC with a slow leak that empties the system over a few months. Cosmetically ugly with extensive rocker rust which is typical of this area. Frame is solid. Tires are good and it’s mechanically good other than the aforementioned items. Just a basic work van.

I’m thinking it’s a $1,000 hooptie but in this market I wonder. Any guesses?

stickguy

Up there, if with a valid inspection sticker, and running decently, maybe $2,500?

qbrozen

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

Wow! 5 years of use and $400 more than I paid for it. Now that’s crazy but I suppose there is a shortage of ubiquitous white vans too. Thanks for the opinions.

stickguy

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

Wow! 5 years of use and $400 more than I paid for it. Now that’s crazy but I suppose there is a shortage of ubiquitous white vans too. Thanks for the opinions.

Different world now.

andres3

stickguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

Wow! 5 years of use and $400 more than I paid for it. Now that’s crazy but I suppose there is a shortage of ubiquitous white vans too. Thanks for the opinions.

Different world now.

Taco Bell is putting up signs they'll pay $15 an hour for someone with a pulse.

Michaell

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

Wow! 5 years of use and $400 more than I paid for it. Now that’s crazy but I suppose there is a shortage of ubiquitous white vans too. Thanks for the opinions.

Different world now.

Taco Bell is putting up signs they'll pay $15 an hour for someone with a pulse.

That’s pretty much every fast food place around here.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

At least rocker rust isn't fatal with body on frame. Those were fairly decent engines, so 122k isn't bad. I also feel like somewhere north of $2k is doable. I'd probably ask $2950. No need to mention the rust, as that is normal, like you said. I'd point out working AC, good tires and brakes, and any other positives. For some reason, $2200 is striking me as the number to be agreed upon.

Wow! 5 years of use and $400 more than I paid for it. Now that’s crazy but I suppose there is a shortage of ubiquitous white vans too. Thanks for the opinions.

Different world now.

Taco Bell is putting up signs they'll pay $15 an hour for someone with a pulse.

Burger King in my area is offering $15.75. That would be a big step up in pay for me but I got to cruise the countryside in a BMW 7 series today so stick it burger flippers.

Michaell

@qbrozen - can you look up how much this car sold for at auction?

VIN: 58AEZ1B17LU074668

qbrozen

Michaell said:

@qbrozen - can you look up how much this car sold for at auction?

VIN: 58AEZ1B17LU074668

Must not have been a Manheim. It comes up as a Luxury model, of which there have only been 4 in the past 6 months. Three with under 6k miles and one with over 50k and seemingly wrecked. My WAG would be in that $39k zip code, which would put it about $2k under those with lower miles and $2k above the non-lux versions.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

@qbrozen - can you look up how much this car sold for at auction?

VIN: 58AEZ1B17LU074668

Must not have been a Manheim. It comes up as a Luxury model, of which there have only been 4 in the past 6 months. Three with under 6k miles and one with over 50k and seemingly wrecked. My WAG would be in that $39k zip code, which would put it about $2k under those with lower miles and $2k above the non-lux versions.

It was Manheim in Orlando, but maybe within the last week.

stickguy

What is it?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

What is it?

2020 Lexus ES 350 that the boss traded in, on the Santa Cruz. (in Miami)

qbrozen

kyfdx said:

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

@qbrozen - can you look up how much this car sold for at auction?

VIN: 58AEZ1B17LU074668

Must not have been a Manheim. It comes up as a Luxury model, of which there have only been 4 in the past 6 months. Three with under 6k miles and one with over 50k and seemingly wrecked. My WAG would be in that $39k zip code, which would put it about $2k under those with lower miles and $2k above the non-lux versions.

It was Manheim in Orlando, but maybe within the last week.

how do you know it went through there?

only thing close was 9/15, central FL, blue ... so that all matches ... but states 10,242 miles (and not listed as Luxury, but that's not surprising). Maybe they made a mistake on the miles. That went for $39.5k.

don't know if you saw, but it is at a VW dealer in Alpharetta. https://www.nalleyvw.com/used/Lexus/2020-Lexus-ES+350-in-Atlanta-ea994b100a0e09af182aa112e98bce17.htm

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

kyfdx said:

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

@qbrozen - can you look up how much this car sold for at auction?

VIN: 58AEZ1B17LU074668

Must not have been a Manheim. It comes up as a Luxury model, of which there have only been 4 in the past 6 months. Three with under 6k miles and one with over 50k and seemingly wrecked. My WAG would be in that $39k zip code, which would put it about $2k under those with lower miles and $2k above the non-lux versions.

It was Manheim in Orlando, but maybe within the last week.

how do you know it went through there?

only thing close was 9/15, central FL, blue ... so that all matches ... but states 10,242 miles (and not listed as Luxury, but that's not surprising). Maybe they made a mistake on the miles. That went for $39.5k.

don't know if you saw, but it is at a VW dealer in Alpharetta. https://www.nalleyvw.com/used/Lexus/2020-Lexus-ES+350-in-Atlanta-ea994b100a0e09af182aa112e98bce17.htm

That's a big dealer group. It's actually CPO at their Lexus dealership

https://www.nalleylexussmyrna.com/used/LEXUS/2020-LEXUS-ES+350-ea994b100a0e09af182aa112e98bce17.htm

kyfdx

Carfax shows Auto Auction on 09/13
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/ar20/Doo4W2stSvj3stZT6sqQMz-FqfJ_CfjpuSSfu1Tq1RLGegibR_SoideZh9iGFgEomKi0L1WmvdVQN2Ky3T7E55Eg4hwrCqYgfac?sd_xdinfo=LEXUS|DEALERDOTCOM|61001|ad03a479-ca0a-412d-b5b8-70f9c2fcf649|ff314a98-5382-4f98-93e5-380cef5989fc|1631904360832|eda5039c-33fe-46a1-ba98-faf5202da52e|lexus|T3|false

dad23

qbrozen said:

@dad23 said:

Just curious what a fair price would be to pay for this one:

97 4Runner SR5 4WD

JT3HN86R4V0128861

V6 Manual

Anthracite/Oak

Sunroof

65k miles

I posted about it a while back, they started close to $25k. It's very clean, no rust, a few small dings, no dents. I understand it's on consignment, one owner, considering putting in an offer but I'm thinking less than $10k?

As said, there is no way to know. They should put it on BaT or C&B and probably would get $20k for it, honestly, if it shows like 65k miles.

I just got an email from the broker that got us our Tacoma about the 4Runner:

"It did sell and some idiot paid $22k for it..."

corvette

Just be thankful it wasn’t you… On something that old, I’d rather have a less expensive one that was a little beat up and/or miled up, so I wouldn’t feel bad about driving it regularly.

explorerx4

My MKZ finally hit Carvana's website, no pics yet. They are asking 36,9.
I got 31.9.
Vroom asked 5k over what they gave me for my F150 about a year ago.
They got 3k over after 5 months.

qbrozen

@kyfdx said:
Carfax shows Auto Auction on 09/13
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/ar20/Doo4W2stSvj3stZT6sqQMz-FqfJ_CfjpuSSfu1Tq1RLGegibR_SoideZh9iGFgEomKi0L1WmvdVQN2Ky3T7E55Eg4hwrCqYgfac?sd_xdinfo=LEXUS|DEALERDOTCOM|61001|ad03a479-ca0a-412d-b5b8-70f9c2fcf649|ff314a98-5382-4f98-93e5-380cef5989fc|1631904360832|eda5039c-33fe-46a1-ba98-faf5202da52e|lexus|T3|false

Yes, but how do we know it was Manheim?

And, FWIW, I often see dates on carfax and manheim reports that are off by a day or two.

JustinS

qbrozen said:

@kyfdx said:

Carfax shows Auto Auction on 09/13
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/ar20/Doo4W2stSvj3stZT6sqQMz-FqfJ_CfjpuSSfu1Tq1RLGegibR_SoideZh9iGFgEomKi0L1WmvdVQN2Ky3T7E55Eg4hwrCqYgfac?sd_xdinfo=LEXUS|DEALERDOTCOM|61001|ad03a479-ca0a-412d-b5b8-70f9c2fcf649|ff314a98-5382-4f98-93e5-380cef5989fc|1631904360832|eda5039c-33fe-46a1-ba98-faf5202da52e|lexus|T3|false

Yes, but how do we know it was Manheim?

And, FWIW, I often see dates on carfax and manheim reports that are off by a day or two.

Jumping in here. I was able to track the car's location on the Lexus app and it was sitting right next to the Manheim location in Orlando, so it's an assumption but very likely.

qbrozen

Well, this is all I got. Everything aligns but the miles.

Beenniizz

Car selling advice.
Looking to sell my 2019 Toyota Tundra Limited Crewmax 4D TRD, 32K miles, clean title to a PRIVATE PARTY (I prefer to sell to individuals to get top $).
Any advice for a price?

stickguy

these days, a lot.

I would run it through carmax, Vroom and Carvana (all online and quick) to get 3 real data points to work with.

I always found selling something expensive to a private party to be a lot trickier, since they almost always need financing. Plus if you don't own it outright, have to deal with paying off the loan and getting the title.

and it you are buying a replacement, might get a tax credit (that makes a big difference in a high sales tax state like where I unfortunately am!)

Beenniizz

Thank you for the response.
Carmax offer 43,000, Carvana 41,000 and Vroom 46,000.
I am totally ok with paying the loan and handle it.
The question is how much is a lot?
And yes I am buying a replacement. so what do you mean by tax credit?

stickguy said:

these days, a lot.

I would run it through carmax, Vroom and Carvana (all online and quick) to get 3 real data points to work with.

I always found selling something expensive to a private party to be a lot trickier, since they almost always need financing. Plus if you don't own it outright, have to deal with paying off the loan and getting the title.

and it you are buying a replacement, might get a tax credit (that makes a big difference in a high sales tax state like where I unfortunately am!)

stickguy

in a lot of states when you trade in, you don't pay sales tax on the trade value, just the difference. So in NJ, if you got 46K trade value, you would save ~$3,000 in sales tax. So that has to be factored in when deciding to sell private or trade in

corvette

The Vroom offer sounds really strong. You may find it difficult to do better than that by selling private party.

Beenniizz

corvette said:

The Vroom offer sounds really strong. You may find it difficult to do better than that by selling private party.

Sound strong, but I want to see if they will buy it straight from the dealer like Carmax offered. that will save me the purchase fees etc.